Every day there are more and more Fractal groups looking for Chrono with no success... — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Every day there are more and more Fractal groups looking for Chrono with no success...

I assume it's because nowadays no one is migrating to the Mesmer class (Notably Chronomancer spec) because they know full well it's gonna keep getting nerfed.

After multiple nerfs, people are now afraid of using a character slot on a class that could one day be completely ruined by nerfs.

Or maybe people are just waiting for the Divine gear?

Thoughts?

Comments

  • polvere.2805polvere.2805 Member ✭✭✭

    With the last patch anet did this in their code
    Chrono = Chrono-(op things that made sense to nerf + fun)

    Basically less people want to play chrono simply because right now the rotation (mostly the opener) is clunky and you don't really have control over what you are doing during the fight

    Obviously people are still defending this patch. The nerf was right. How they did it absolutely no. When you balance something you have to be sure that it is at least still fun to play. Basically a chrono is a support, which is already not that much appealing to a lot of players, that is also not fun to play.
    Only masochistic players like to play it

    I am one of those players that stopped playing chrono and is playing something else while waiting for a patch that a least gives fun back

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    There is also the fact that after the most recent nerfs we were immediately told new gear that would change the meta would be released in 2 months. A lot of us just said, 'kitten it, I'm not regearing or playing for 2 months'. Pretty easy decision for people who want to go enjoy the holidays too.

  • I can tell you my story I guess..

    I am a returning player from release, so everything is new to me. I created a mes to play as a chrono, cause it seemed like it would land my in a fractal group pretty easily. I was pretty much told if you don't have some ascended gear don't apply... so w/e. I've been grinding winterberries and blood stone rubies along with crafting the base mats for crafting ascended gear daily for the better part of 40 days.

    I'm in a position now where I could almost gear out two characters/roles, but the work it took... I want to gear out something I can play for more then a week or two until the next meta takes hold. No way I am committing to anything right now.. even though I have a mes and a guard which seem to possibly be meta, but I can't really tell.

    Either way the open world grind has been a lot of fun, and my current impulse is just spend the mats for open world gear.. I mean why not??? Fractals and Raids sound like a cold and calculated meta equation.. and hardly any fun to me all anymore. Whereas open world I can gear as I want and try different builds.. make mistakes, have successes, see my improvements...

    Even writing this right now I can see.. forget your meta only fractal/raid play; it hardly even sounds interesting anymore. I'll stay in the open world.

    ..wonder how my other returning or new players have come to the same conclusion.

  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭

    How is this new? LFG has been a list of LF Chrono since what, 3 years?

    Even before the latest patches, wait times for a chrono could be as long as 45mins at times.
    Just that you can look for FB/Ren now too, without being called crazy.

    "As you know, those who you once called friends have become enemies." ~Glint

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Roci.4638 said:
    I can tell you my story I guess..

    I am a returning player from release, so everything is new to me. I created a mes to play as a chrono, cause it seemed like it would land my in a fractal group pretty easily. I was pretty much told if you don't have some ascended gear don't apply... so w/e. I've been grinding winterberries and blood stone rubies along with crafting the base mats for crafting ascended gear daily for the better part of 40 days.

    I'm in a position now where I could almost gear out two characters/roles, but the work it took... I want to gear out something I can play for more then a week or two until the next meta takes hold. No way I am committing to anything right now.. even though I have a mes and a guard which seem to possibly be meta, but I can't really tell.

    Either way the open world grind has been a lot of fun, and my current impulse is just spend the mats for open world gear.. I mean why not??? Fractals and Raids sound like a cold and calculated meta equation.. and hardly any fun to me all anymore. Whereas open world I can gear as I want and try different builds.. make mistakes, have successes, see my improvements...

    Even writing this right now I can see.. forget your meta only fractal/raid play; it hardly even sounds interesting anymore. I'll stay in the open world.

    ..wonder how my other returning or new players have come to the same conclusion.

    Don't worry, you can play whatever build you want in fractals. Just make sure to join or create groups that do not really care about such things. You'll find plenty of them and if not, as I said, open your own lfg.
    When gearing your chars I still recommend having proper stats and not every armor piece being a different one with 6 different runes. Runes have a bonus which stacks to 6 so it's almost everytime to slot 6 of the same. For weapons it's a little bit easier and less important for casual game play.
    Almost all fractal groups with no requirements are very friendly and don't force you to do special things or behave in a certain way. Be there, help the team, rez downed players, stay next to the team and don't do things that would be counter-productive against the team goal.

  • Xstein.2187Xstein.2187 Member ✭✭✭

    Even though the answers may be hidden in some disputes and bickering, I believe many of your answers may be found here.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/64465/high-end-support-pve-chrono-players-how-much-fun-are-you-having-now-since-dec-11/p1

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    No there isn't, pug hardly care of crono before as well, as far as they get a babysitting profession and 4 dps they are good to go

    Mr. Z, open this gate. Mr. Z... Mr. Z, tear down this wall!

  • stone cold.8609stone cold.8609 Member ✭✭✭

    @Roci.4638 said:
    I can tell you my story I guess..

    I am a returning player from release, so everything is new to me. I created a mes to play as a chrono, cause it seemed like it would land my in a fractal group pretty easily. I was pretty much told if you don't have some ascended gear don't apply... so w/e. I've been grinding winterberries and blood stone rubies along with crafting the base mats for crafting ascended gear daily for the better part of 40 days.

    I'm in a position now where I could almost gear out two characters/roles, but the work it took... I want to gear out something I can play for more then a week or two until the next meta takes hold. No way I am committing to anything right now.. even though I have a mes and a guard which seem to possibly be meta, but I can't really tell.

    Either way the open world grind has been a lot of fun, and my current impulse is just spend the mats for open world gear.. I mean why not??? Fractals and Raids sound like a cold and calculated meta equation.. and hardly any fun to me all anymore. Whereas open world I can gear as I want and try different builds.. make mistakes, have successes, see my improvements...

    Even writing this right now I can see.. forget your meta only fractal/raid play; it hardly even sounds interesting anymore. I'll stay in the open world.

    ..wonder how my other returning or new players have come to the same conclusion.

    Rocci, I've been PUGing a lot of T4 fractals lately and most groups are just like this. Find a build you enjoy playing, know how to play it well, gear it sensibly, and don't join groups that are specifically asking for something that you are not and you'll be fine. Most PUGs are just looking for relatively smooth runs that allow completion of the dailies and recommended fractals without too much hassle so they can get on with the rest of the stuff in the game they want to do.

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    Don't worry, you can play whatever build you want in fractals. Just make sure to join or create groups that do not really care about such things. You'll find plenty of them and if not, as I said, open your own lfg.
    When gearing your chars I still recommend having proper stats and not every armor piece being a different one with 6 different runes. Runes have a bonus which stacks to 6 so it's almost everytime to slot 6 of the same. For weapons it's a little bit easier and less important for casual game play.
    Almost all fractal groups with no requirements are very friendly and don't force you to do special things or behave in a certain way. Be there, help the team, rez downed players, stay next to the team and don't do things that would be counter-productive against the team goal.

    This.

    @phs.6089 said:
    No there isn't, pug hardly care of crono before as well, as far as they get a babysitting profession and 4 dps they are good to go

    And this as well.

    The question I would ask you to think about is do you like playing mesmer, or were you only making one because you thought it would be easier to get into fractals with one. If you like the mechanics of the profession, then I suggest sticking with it. I've been playing this game for a long time and seen many nerf, buffs, meta changes, and what not. It's much easier to roll with all of this if you enjoy the class mechanics of your profession.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm honestly fine with a straight DPS Chrono, even if that means shorter boon uptime.

    I like Chrono in my groups for exactly 4 reasons:

    • Quickness
    • Alacrity
    • Focus pull
    • Portals

    I can get Quickness and Alacrity from other professions, but only Chrono gives all the 4 above. Are they needed to complete a fractal? Of course not. But they sure do make it easier.

    So ill keep LFG'ing for a Chrono, and if ever there comes a time when after 15-20mins rolls and one doesn't show, I'll take whatever.

  • Well, Chronos just stopped playing the class and the game. I know I did. :)

    1. Many mesmers left the game because their one trick pony is not as OP as before, even tho it's still extremely competent.
    2. There are other viable comps for fracs you can use.
  • Gulbasaur.1865Gulbasaur.1865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2019

    I'm one of the people who thought it needed a massive nerf and played mirage because I didn't want to be shoehorned into a boon factory.

    Honestly, the destruction of the chrono meta made me start playing it again. I'm now a power/CC build that happens to dish out a lot of alacrity and quickness. I can keep a lot of boons up on myself as a side effect, which is fairly decent as an impure DPS role. It's still a solid all-rounder.

    Focus pull is life. Gravity Well eats trash mobs and breakbars. Chrono 4 eva.

    However, I tend to start my own groups in the LFG explicitly asking for relaxed, friendly people because I'm a filthy casual. This works and we actually discuss strategy and chat as we play, plan ahead, actually work as a team. It's like a cheat code to bypass T3 PUG toxicity and "no just dps" suicide squads that wouldn't know a mechanic if it shook its enormous red AOE at them. When I get to T4, I look forward to the unending glory that chronos are showered with, free from toxicity and ragequits.

  • Catchyfx.5768Catchyfx.5768 Member ✭✭✭

    No change then. from the day1 (for me)when i hit T4 ,all lfgs are with 3dps looking for "chrono+druid". And it will be the same until some speedrun guilds dont upload their sites with diferent comp. I hope the will make a joke on 1.April and make huge thread with fake builds and i guarantee you LFG will be full of those jokes :D

    Jokaurene

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2019

    Amusingly, nothing has changed since pretty much day one. Good old CoF1 "4x Warrior, 1x Mesmer" groups were always looking for that one mesmer back in ancient 2012.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Amusingly, nothing has changed since pretty much day one. Good old CoF1 "4x Warrior, 1x Mesmer" groups were always looking for that one mesmer back in ancient 2012.

    Yup, as glorified Time Warp bot. Until people figured out that bringing 5 warriors does the trick as well since the dps loss with bringing a Mesmer was quite a hit.

    So you are essentially saying, nothing has changed that mesmer/chrono remains a glorified boon support for over 6 years, gotcha.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2019

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Amusingly, nothing has changed since pretty much day one. Good old CoF1 "4x Warrior, 1x Mesmer" groups were always looking for that one mesmer back in ancient 2012.

    Yup, as glorified Time Warp bot. Until people figured out that bringing 5 warriors does the trick as well since the dps loss with bringing a Mesmer was quite a hit.

    So you are essentially saying, nothing has changed that mesmer/chrono remains a glorified boon support for over 6 years, gotcha.

    It was a joke. Sorry, thought that was more clear. I know they haven't really been a thing during the dungeon days after CoF and pretty much until HoT with it's must-have position for Chronomancers. It is just funny to see all of the complaining as people still can't seem to decide whether they hate needing Chronomancers more than they hate not having one even with the alternatives avaible. So I couldn't help myself there.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • mazut.4296mazut.4296 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm now looking for both chrono and boon FB. Still many more chronos join. Tho FB seems better atm.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Henry.5713 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Amusingly, nothing has changed since pretty much day one. Good old CoF1 "4x Warrior, 1x Mesmer" groups were always looking for that one mesmer back in ancient 2012.

    Yup, as glorified Time Warp bot. Until people figured out that bringing 5 warriors does the trick as well since the dps loss with bringing a Mesmer was quite a hit.

    So you are essentially saying, nothing has changed that mesmer/chrono remains a glorified boon support for over 6 years, gotcha.

    It was a joke. Sorry, thought that was more clear. I know they haven't really been a thing during the dungeon days after CoF and pretty much until HoT with it's must-have position for Chronomancers. It is just funny to see all of the complaining as people still can't seem to decide whether they hate needing Chronomancers more than they hate not having one even with the alternatives avaible. So I couldn't help myself there.

    True that, I got the joke part. Guess my response was a bit to direct. My bad. :)

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2019

    @Henry.5713 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Amusingly, nothing has changed since pretty much day one. Good old CoF1 "4x Warrior, 1x Mesmer" groups were always looking for that one mesmer back in ancient 2012.

    Yup, as glorified Time Warp bot. Until people figured out that bringing 5 warriors does the trick as well since the dps loss with bringing a Mesmer was quite a hit.

    So you are essentially saying, nothing has changed that mesmer/chrono remains a glorified boon support for over 6 years, gotcha.

    It was a joke. Sorry, thought that was more clear. I know they haven't really been a thing during the dungeon days after CoF and pretty much until HoT with it's must-have position for Chronomancers. It is just funny to see all of the complaining as people still can't seem to decide whether they hate needing Chronomancers more than they hate not having one even with the alternatives avaible. So I couldn't help myself there.

    Mesmer was meta for the full dungeon meta times just because they were the only profession with a portal. Ele was way stronger than Warr aswell back then but took forever until people realized that.

    Chrono is just really clunky to play now. Your allies need to stay in your well 3sec after it was casted or they wont have boons for 20sec+. FB and Rene are just so forgiving on the boons. Just hit the button off cooldown and be close to teammates and they will have perma boons. Downtime on miss is rather small aswell.
    10 target SOI made it just up in 5 player teams. It doesn't even scale with boon duration.

  • Emtiarbi.3281Emtiarbi.3281 Member ✭✭✭

    I've seen more and more firebrands/renegades combos now tho, which is nice

  • i have chrono, i just no longer wanna play it. up until now, chrono have some fun in rotating boons, now it's braindead, boring, risky (if ppl move out), very unrewarding, and bad for the meta overall (even if still sort of best quickness/alacrity slot). Disaster decision by anet; I told them before, i told them during it, and after it, that it would kill the amount of chrono's played, break up lfg's in long uptimes, wich more and more ppl quitting. Either stop the train anet (this kitten state) or have it coming: lot of ppl perma leaving, to not come back.

  • I clear fractals with all type of comps. Chrono is not really needed and may make it easier, but skill will do the same.

  • @Magnus Godrik.5841 said:
    I clear fractals with all type of comps. Chrono is not really needed and may make it easier, but skill will do the same.

    Idk how relevant your opinion is to high end gameplay if you "clear fractals" and don't play CM+t4 daily.

  • @rabenpriester.7129 said:

    @Magnus Godrik.5841 said:
    I clear fractals with all type of comps. Chrono is not really needed and may make it easier, but skill will do the same.

    Idk how relevant your opinion is to high end gameplay if you "clear fractals" and don't play CM+t4 daily.

    I clear everything even raids without chronos.

  • No quickness (and to lesser extend alacrity) is death sentence in hard fractals, cm, and gorseval like raids. Dunno how people can act like the requirement of quickness doesn't exit, it does. First chrono's where born, then raids, not other way around. Balance happened after perma quickness was established.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭

    setup fb+rene working too and can 100% cover pr req in any t4. cms+t4 playes can easy swap, and more dynamically play, otfen everyone have heal/dps/sup so no any problem.

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭

    @Phoebe Ascension.8437 said:
    No quickness (and to lesser extend alacrity) is death sentence in hard fractals, cm, and gorseval like raids. Dunno how people can act like the requirement of quickness doesn't exit, it does. First chrono's where born, then raids, not other way around. Balance happened after perma quickness was established.

    Perma quickness wasn't instantaneously a thing you know.

  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @Phoebe Ascension.8437 said:
    No quickness (and to lesser extend alacrity) is death sentence in hard fractals, cm, and gorseval like raids. Dunno how people can act like the requirement of quickness doesn't exit, it does. First chrono's where born, then raids, not other way around. Balance happened after perma quickness was established.

    No it is not. You can still complete the content just fine. You just actually need to do the mechanics instead of skipping updrafts at Gorseval.

  • @Phoebe Ascension.8437 said:
    No quickness (and to lesser extend alacrity) is death sentence in hard fractals, cm, and gorseval like raids. Dunno how people can act like the requirement of quickness doesn't exit, it does. First chrono's where born, then raids, not other way around. Balance happened after perma quickness was established.

    Gorseval is a bad example. There's 4 updrafts around the map for a reason. You can slack pretty hard on gorse as long as you aren't just auto attacking and do the mechanics properly.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Morte de Angelis.7986 said:

    @Phoebe Ascension.8437 said:
    No quickness (and to lesser extend alacrity) is death sentence in hard fractals, cm, and gorseval like raids. Dunno how people can act like the requirement of quickness doesn't exit, it does. First chrono's where born, then raids, not other way around. Balance happened after perma quickness was established.

    Gorseval is a bad example. There's 4 updrafts around the map for a reason. You can slack pretty hard on gorse as long as you aren't just auto attacking and do the mechanics properly.

    But I heard doing Updrafts on Gorseval in 2018 (now 2019) was a sin...

    Ferguson's Crossing Mithril Squire (Rank 5001) - PvP Phoenix (Rank 72) - 30k Achievement Points
    Exalted Kawagima, Calamis Fatima, Hanna Flintlocke, Suzuhara Suzuka, Sally Furious Ant, Sabetha Deadeye, Bjarl of Souls, Lilian Mistwalker, Kelvena Riverstream, Zallha Wildhunt

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    I quit playing chrono in fractals because people don't stand in the wells so my commander's gear pieces are obsolete and SoI becomes a nightmare to use. I'm working on converting it mostly to diviner's for much more damage (dueling has a crit damage bonus too) due to not requiring concentration utility or chaos traitline, but that's my reason. My only gripe is blurred inscriptions needs a lower cooldown signet besides SoI.

    I'm actually contemplating going with firebrand for quickness+aegis , as I really doubt running firebrand runes on a power mesmer will continue to be a thing (I have leadership on my chrono) after further patches.

    Also, herald is the best for fury (which helps out assassin's presence) besides druid , the alacrity on renegade is another option.

  • maxwelgm.4315maxwelgm.4315 Member ✭✭✭

    Do you only play CMs+T4's? People who play T4 only get groups VERY fast and I guess there is no Chrono shortage because many of us don't even care about having a Chrono on board.

    As for why people can't find a Chrono for a meta run, I'd say it certainly has to do with how problematic it is to play it optimally as you're intended to in a meta group. You're responsible for too much, yet rely too much on your allies positioning correctly, and also there is little payoff or reward for all of your hard work. In Raids Chrono is more or less fine but I'd definitely prefer FB+Rev for fractals if I must go anywhere near to an optimal run.

  • Iris Ng.9845Iris Ng.9845 Member ✭✭✭

    I'd been a support mesmer in fractals before HoT and would voluntarily help people skip difficult parts with portals. Back then, quickness only lasts long enough for a good burst attempt at the boss. Good meta group can kill the boss within a few seconds. Casual groups take a few more tries but nothing really disastrous. Dungeons and fractal fights didn't take very long and you could swing it with anything (even a ranger) at level 50. Then HoT came, I gladly accepted support chrono as my new 'improved' role. The years of "self-sacrifice" and exploitation just spiral from there:

    • Support chrono loses the majority of the dps traits from the support mesmer to tailor for upkeeping permanent quickness and alacrity for a ****long**** raid fight (10 minutes on the timer).
    • Support chrono gets hit the most by balance: alacrity effectiveness nerfed, the ability to buff 10-man party nerfed, signet of inspiration duration nerfed, boon duration nerfed, phantasms totally revamped (aka. perma alacrity by avengers axed) and finally, signet of inspiration axed. Ironically enough, the meta comes a full circle back to the same rotation used in 2015!
    • Every time a support chrono gets nerfed, it does not fade out of meta. It calls for a drastic degenerate change in builds. Going from berserker to commander, from domination, illusion, dueling to chaos, and from a "support chrono" to a "boon bot" :) I often see off chrono with 2k toughness refusing to tank - they regard themselves as a boon bot. Let's not forget the amount of investment to swap stats Every. Single. Time.
    • What irritates me the most was when groups started to take distortion as a given, so domination - inspiration is not a choice but a must. Distortion wasn't saved for any particular deadly mechanics, but to save them from an extra dodge that would otherwise interrupt their DPS rotation :)
    • Boon bots, banner slave, healer are often treated as such to empower the toxic bragging of DPS rankings.
    • My last straw is when the chrono was forced to play chaos + shatter + mimic rotation, while making sure to aegis every other boss attacks. Ha, I quit. If others want a chrono, they should start playing it, or looking for alternatives.
  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭
    edited January 16, 2019

    @Infusion.7149 said:
    I quit playing chrono in fractals because people don't stand in the wells

    Why you worry if people not stand in wells ? That not you problem, kick who not stand IF you toxic, or find another part, or just put wells on slack mode -> put on who understand - that's my choose!

    so my commander's gear pieces are obsolete

    is it cool gear, you should have dps to kill elite wiht heal on cm 99 on second boss, and u can it.

    and SoI becomes a nightmare to use.

    don't use that at all, take mimic fro example, or if need strip boons, o defender, dont belive raid builds!

    I'm working on converting it mostly to diviner's for much more damage (dueling has a crit damage bonus too)

    Very otfen we do cm100 in 3 support + 2 dps party, relax and play! this is gw2!

    I'm actually contemplating going with firebrand for quickness+aegis

    good choose too.

  • Because chrono is incredibly clunky to play and you require alot of help for cc and stuff from DPS.

    More importantly Ren + FB is just more fun. Also more sustain than 3 DPS+chrono. So easy clears as well.

©2010–2018 ArenaNet, LLC. All rights reserved. Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Heart of Thorns, Guild Wars 2: Path of Fire, ArenaNet, NCSOFT, the Interlocking NC Logo, and all associated logos and designs are trademarks or registered trademarks of NCSOFT Corporation. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.