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[Spoilers] About Aurene

Alimar.8760Alimar.8760 Member ✭✭✭
edited January 9, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Ok guys, please don't click on the spoiler unless you want major spoilers but these are my thoughts.

1. Aurene ate Palawa Joko
2. Palawa Joko is a lich.
3. Joko can come back from the dead.
4. Aurene can now come back from the dead.
5. Please?
6. Please tell me I'm right...
7. cries

Tell me you felt the same way. Also props to the new tech that introduced camera control and the custom animations for the last scene. Definitely adds a lot more to the game that I didn't know I wanted.

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    That's the only explanation I've heard which makes sense to me.

    Unless the extreme end of the rumour mill is actually right and this is the beginning of the end for the game: the reason there isn't an expansion after Season 4 is they're ending the story ready for a new game. Which is either going to be some kind of post-apocalyptic future thing or set thousands of years in the future when Tyria is starting to recover (post-post apocalyptic?) or in the past. All of which seems massively unlikely to me, more for real-world reasons than in-game ones; Guild Wars is Anet's only franchise and with GW1 basically abandoned GW2 is their only game. Abandoning an MMO for a new game, especially another MMO, is a hugely risky and expensive prospect, not typically one you go for unless you have no other options, especially if you don't have any other products to fall back on. They do have NCSoft as a 'safety net' (to provide funding while they're not making anything to cover their costs - and then get it back later from the profits) but even so I can't believe they'd do that now.

    But lore-wise? Either you're right or we're all doomed.

    "You can run like a river, Till you end up in the sea,
    And you run till night is black, And keep on going in your dreams,
    And you know all the long while, It's the journey that you seek,
    It's the miles of moving forward, With the wind beneath your wings."

  • Tashigi.3159Tashigi.3159 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    But lore-wise? Either you're right or we're all doomed.

    One could say, it's "All or Nothing" Lol.
    But to add salt to that... they redid their main website recently, if you haven't noticed. As if hinting at a new addition at the top. See for yourself: https://www.arena.net/en/games
    Also, BTW, they're independent from NCSOFT since HOT released. They do have to keep the logo for anything prior to HOT, though. So you'll still see it in certain areas.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Alimar.8760 said:
    Ok guys, please don't click on the spoiler unless you want major spoilers but these are my thoughts.

    1. Aurene ate Palawa Joko
    2. Palawa Joko is a lich.
    3. Joko can come back from the dead.
    4. Aurene can now come back from the dead.
    5. Please?
    6. Please tell me I'm right...
    7. cries

    Tell me you felt the same way. Also props to the new tech that introduced camera control and the custom animations for the last scene. Definitely adds a lot more to the game that I didn't know I wanted.

    Too easy... Caithe is inside of her, also too easy. They write too good story now, won't expect it to be so bright and clear.

    Seek, and you shall find.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Tashigi.3159 said:

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    But lore-wise? Either you're right or we're all doomed.

    One could say, it's "All or Nothing" Lol.
    But to add salt to that... they redid their main website recently, if you haven't noticed. As if hinting at a new addition at the top. See for yourself: https://www.arena.net/en/games
    Also, BTW, they're independent from NCSOFT since HOT released. They do have to keep the logo for anything prior to HOT, though. So you'll still see it in certain areas.

    1) Indeed you could say that. ;)

    It's times like this I'm reminded of one of Arthur Dent's favourite, or at least most common, sayings: "This is it, we're all going to die".

    2) According to that same website they're not independent. The legal bit at the bottom says "Guild Wars 2: Path of Fire, ArenaNet, NCSOFT, the Interlocking NC Logo, and all associated logos and designs are trademarks or registered trademarks of NCSOFT Corporation." My understanding is Anet are still a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft - meaning NCSoft owns the company and gets a cut of their profits (they were certainly giving them money as recently as the last financial quarter) but they self-publish their games and they're allowed to operate largely independently - they don't have someone from NCSoft telling them when they need to release an expansion or what kind of microtransaction items to add or whatever else.

    "You can run like a river, Till you end up in the sea,
    And you run till night is black, And keep on going in your dreams,
    And you know all the long while, It's the journey that you seek,
    It's the miles of moving forward, With the wind beneath your wings."

  • Tashigi.3159Tashigi.3159 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    Edited, misread your follow up to the quote. Gotcha!

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    This would be a horribly cheap twist. Whatever they set up will connect to glints chat with aurene and will have nothing to do with Joko.

    Altho im hazy how glint could have planned anything given she specifically couldnt prophecise beyond her own fight with kralk...

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • @Danikat.8537 said:
    That's the only explanation I've heard which makes sense to me.

    Unless the extreme end of the rumour mill is actually right and this is the beginning of the end for the game: the reason there isn't an expansion after Season 4 is they're ending the story ready for a new game. Which is either going to be some kind of post-apocalyptic future thing or set thousands of years in the future when Tyria is starting to recover (post-post apocalyptic?) or in the past. All of which seems massively unlikely to me, more for real-world reasons than in-game ones; Guild Wars is Anet's only franchise and with GW1 basically abandoned GW2 is their only game. Abandoning an MMO for a new game, especially another MMO, is a hugely risky and expensive prospect, not typically one you go for unless you have no other options, especially if you don't have any other products to fall back on. They do have NCSoft as a 'safety net' (to provide funding while they're not making anything to cover their costs - and then get it back later from the profits) but even so I can't believe they'd do that now.

    But lore-wise? Either you're right or we're all doomed.

    Your comment had me intrigued but I haven't been able to find anything on these rumours. Could you point me in the right direction?

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't even know what to say. I'll just go do what my people does when they don't know what to do.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • RUNICBLACK.7630RUNICBLACK.7630 Member ✭✭✭

    As a thought, we( speaking collectively as our role as the Commander) died and came back after traveling to the land of the lost(?) so that might be something similar might be store for Aurene with our help. There is also a rather glaring question of why did Kralk turn away and leave after for all effective purposes he won, why didn't he just finish everything then and there. I think there is a definite twist there .

    Life before Death
    Strength before Weakness
    Journey before Destination
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  • Gulbasaur.1865Gulbasaur.1865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    They do have NCSoft as a 'safety net' (to provide funding while they're not making anything to cover their costs - and then get it back later from the profits) but even so I can't believe they'd do that now.

    I know the company is run differently now than ten years ago, but historically they have been anything but. Then again, GW2 has had decent year-on-year growth financially, I believe, so we're probably okay.

    Anyway, there was a line in the last battle about Zhaitan's energy being detected... that's a name we've not heard for a while. Dragons can explicitly use other dragons' magic (somehow) and Aurene is both a dragon (so can presumably do this) and has eaten Joko. There has been so much foreshadowing of a journey into the mists with Eir's return, the commander going there and (probably) Taimi's ailing health that I would be really surprised if we didn't end up going for a jolly in the land of the dead in the next expansion.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gulbasaur.1865 said:

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    They do have NCSoft as a 'safety net' (to provide funding while they're not making anything to cover their costs - and then get it back later from the profits) but even so I can't believe they'd do that now.

    I know the company is run differently now than ten years ago, but historically they have been anything but. Then again, GW2 has had decent year-on-year growth financially, I believe, so we're probably okay.

    Anyway, there was a line in the last battle about Zhaitan's energy being detected... that's a name we've not heard for a while. Dragons can explicitly use other dragons' magic (somehow) and Aurene is both a dragon (so can presumably do this) and has eaten Joko. There has been so much foreshadowing of a journey into the mists with Eir's return, the commander going there and (probably) Taimi's ailing health that I would be really surprised if we didn't end up going for a jolly in the land of the dead in the next expansion.

    They outrightly dismissed us ever going to the Mists for anything beyond story instances. They wouldn't have done that if there was a chance since Anet prefer to keep silent where possibilities lie. To their credit, they put that option to bed.

    I would expect an instanced fight in the Mists though next

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Gulbasaur.1865Gulbasaur.1865 Member ✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    I would expect an instanced fight in the Mists though next

    Oh yeah, definitely, like with the ones in PoF or the last instance in HoT.

    It's official then: next expansion will be in Cantha, which is now underwater, Aurene is Joko now and you and Eir kick kitten in the mists at the end.

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭

    There's much to guess and speculate now.
    I have to say the story has been spectacular and breath-taking. I feel more connected to Tyria now than ever before and I want to punch Kralkatorrik so hard now!

    Anyway...that being said...cough cough
    We know that Aurene ate Palawa Joko. We also know that Glint had some private talk with her. It's very possible that Aurene is not permanently dead.
    1. She could get Palawa Joko's ability to come back
    2. She could earn something from the mists, maybe the energies she absorbed, anything? Glint's secret?
    3. As mentioned before, it is possible she goes through the same process as the Commander. Traumatic death + unfinished business = being brought back to life to finish the job.
    4. Aurene is permanently dead and we have to think of how to deal with this on our own. It could be a darker and scarier world now, where Kralka goes on rampage and we fall into despair after all the recent events, losing on a lot and hardly getting a grip of the situation. After all...we, as commanders, lost a lot and I feel that Aurene's death could be that final nail in the coffin, where things go a bit out of control before rising again.

    Anyway, great job, it leaves so many of us speculating now!
    I personally hope Aurene comes back, but maybe not instantly, as it leaves room to some of the darker story unfolding.

    Hope new expansion gets announced soon where we end Kralkatorrik once and for all!
    I have to say...he was kitten creepy in that story, especially when he retreats all beaten and in mess, but looking like some nasty evil snake, brr!

  • Kalendraf.9521Kalendraf.9521 Member ✭✭✭

    My hunch is that before they can ascend, a dragon (and perhaps any god-like being) needs to die. In other words, the final step to ascension is unlocking immortality by ultimately triumphing over their own death.

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  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think sometime back in LS3, someone ran across some arenanet art or concept art of baby aurene, titled something like "baby undead crystal dragon". So, there's that.

  • HardRider.2980HardRider.2980 Member ✭✭✭

    Anet has a chance.. well they've already started working on the next lot so the choice has been made, but for us.. it's either ..

    A comes back .. and somehow fight on... or A doesn't... and the chaos... hits us like a truck... I kinda want the latter... for them to be brave enough to go down that route.
    After all the land of the lost has been basically hit had as well so even in death.. its not save

    A City of Heroes never die... A City of Villains will never surrender... Neither City will be forgotten.

  • I highly doubt they're going to kill off Aurene, since we've been caring for that kitten dragon since it's birth (didn't realize how much I liked Aurene till now, honestly please bring her back) HOWEVER I've gotten so much respect for the story department since PoF, so I know they won't disappoint no matter where we end up going.
    Only thing I didn't enjoy about this patch was that silly effect when Kralk calls upon Zhaitan, Mordremoth and Balthazar, and there's literally a figure of Balthazar above his head. Would've been way better with just the 3 colors, I thought it kinda ruined the immersion.

  • nativity.3057nativity.3057 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Elephant.9457 said:
    I highly doubt they're going to kill off Aurene, since we've been caring for that kitten dragon since it's birth (didn't realize how much I liked Aurene till now, honestly please bring her back) HOWEVER I've gotten so much respect for the story department since PoF, so I know they won't disappoint no matter where we end up going.
    Only thing I didn't enjoy about this patch was that silly effect when Kralk calls upon Zhaitan, Mordremoth and Balthazar, and there's literally a figure of Balthazar above his head. Would've been way better with just the 3 colors, I thought it kinda ruined the immersion.

    Didn't even notice that. Only thing that tipped me off to that was the dialogue and minions having different names.
    Clearer animations would have been great...

    Edit: Although to be fair, I was so focused on completing the story within 15 mins. Unfortunately didn't in the first run, probably should switch to a full zerk build for the second time.

  • Alimar.8760Alimar.8760 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah, I'm not saying it's a great story telling idea because it's "Too Easy." I was pointing out a potential plot but I would agree that if it were to happen, it would cheapen the story and characters as a whole. Too much dying and coming back creates less impact over time.

  • Tails.9372Tails.9372 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    I wouldn't even be surprised, like I said after episode 3:

    @Tails.9372 said:
    Dragons gain abilities based on the magic they consume. Aurene is basically a dragon lich at this point, as of right now she should be capable of doing everything Joko could do

    Now some people obviously wouldn't like that to happen but not doing it would be even more BS at this point and no one can say that this would come "out of nowhere" either.

  • OlsenSan.2987OlsenSan.2987 Member ✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Tashigi.3159 said:

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    But lore-wise? Either you're right or we're all doomed.

    One could say, it's "All or Nothing" Lol.
    But to add salt to that... they redid their main website recently, if you haven't noticed. As if hinting at a new addition at the top. See for yourself: https://www.arena.net/en/games
    Also, BTW, they're independent from NCSOFT since HOT released. They do have to keep the logo for anything prior to HOT, though. So you'll still see it in certain areas.

    They are still owned by NCSoft, they are still a NCsoft company, so they can be independant in their creations, management as a subsidiary, but if NCSoft decide to take any action on ANET, they can. And right now, I think they just shoot their own foot with the way it ended. I mean, if they wanted to end it to create something, I'd accept if we all died, ME as the commander in the story, braham, catie, taimi, aurene, but the way they ended it, it killed the game for me. It would be more awesome if we all died.

    You sure it was me commenting it? Maybe it was an illusion all along, bruh...

  • Matt H.6142Matt H.6142 Member ✭✭✭

    My theories are

    1. She stays dead, and she joins her mother and brother together in the Mists for the true final fight. She doesn't not return to Tyria.
    2. She's a seed in Caithe like Mordremoth was in Trehearne.
    3. She's just dead, and we struggle through the hopelessness of it until some 'power inside us all along' moment happens.
  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    As a Herald, I'm more than a bit miffed at Glint at the moment. Right after this chapter, she saw fit to smugly tell me...

    "EVERYTHING HAS WORKED OUT AS I KNEW IT WOULD."

    TOO SOON, GLINT. :'(

    I am starting to wonder whether that was actually Glint and not some imitation of her created by Kralkatorrik. After all, it was her (Aurene's own loving mother, a prophet nonetheless!) who urged as into action, even though everyone with common sense and intellect (like Taimi, for instance) would go berserk over the idea and tell us that she was NOT READY yet. Arenen herself showed us visions of her failing in any case scenaroi, but we played that down and convinced her to follow our lead - because she trusted us (how sad). Sp we decided to listen to some strange ghostly apparation rather than to our smart friend there. I don't know, the whole thing's just fishy. IMO Kralk arranged everything to lure us into a trap and not the other way around.

  • Hesacon.8735Hesacon.8735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Aurene also

    counter-branded Kralk, as you could see at the end he was at least half blue from a direct hit from Aurene. That could make Kralk a minion of Aurene, in some sense.

    So there's that.

  • Doofenschmirtz.5197Doofenschmirtz.5197 Member ✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    delete this..did a double comment

  • My idea

    Okay Krakky hangs out in the Mists...guess where Aurene's spirit is at with her Mom

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The problem with Aurene being in the mists and that being the solution for me is that Glint has been in the mists for how long now? If the key is Aurene being in the mists, why wouldn't Glint have been able to accomplish all of this on her own? I guess because of the combined power of Glint and Aurene? But the prophecy implied that there was one dragon that would create the peace that Kralk foresaw. So, either that isn't Aurene and we have to find that dragon which would be stupid at this point, or Aurene comes back. I just don't see any reason for her death to be because she has to be in the mists for this to work.

    I also think that the mention of Joko being killed being one of the signs was too random to not mean anything. Out of all of the things we've done together, including slaying Balthazar, why would Joko be the one step in that prophecy that deserves such mention?

    Not to mention the "sickness" she felt after she ate him never getting touched on in the next episode. They leave a lot of things like that hanging, but I think on this occasion, and highly hope, that Joko's magic will be the key to Aurene coming back. Also, again, Glint didn't see her own death and Aurene did. So it seems to me that Aurene wouldn't see her death if it was a true death. On top of the talk with Glint and how at peace she was after having that private conversation. Then again, Kralk didn't see his own death but saw a world after it. So how does that work? Is that similar to how Glint couldn't see her own death but could forsee the events after it?

    Another theory could simply be that she accomplished what Snaff couldn't and implanted her own mind or can control Kralk, but I doubt that.

    Perhaps next episode we finish off Kralk with our crew plus Destiny's Edge and then at the end it could be something as simple as Caithe's flowers regrowing and we know Aurene is back, if we don't get a cinematic of her coming back to life. And then season 5 will deal with the aftermath of Aurene trying to absorb all of the magic now that Kralk is done and we just deal with complete chaos in random zones all over Tyria or even another elder dragon being more active due to all of the excess magic and that leads us to the next expansion.

    A little long of a post now, but they have plenty of directions they can go and I predict and hope that Aurene will be revived with Joko's magic. Especially considering Kralk for some reason didn't just eat Aurene, and that she didn't shatter like Vlast did whether Vlast did that intentionally or not. Glint, though, looks pretty shattered and had a similar encounter with Kralk, so the fact that she's still in tact leads me to believe there's a reason. Just hope yet again, beyond reason, that the wait will be on the shorter side this time. Who knows, maybe instead of random mail from Caithe and a few dialogue lines we'll get lucky and get some Caladbog style mid-wait quest chain in which find out Aurene is alive again. (Wishful thinking.)

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    My idea:

    They'll reveal that she was primed to become an Elder Dragon in Glint's lair, but needed to get hit with a massive amount of energy to actually complete the transformation process. Note that, unlike in her vision, she wasn't actually branded despite taking the brunt of that breath attack. I think that's because she (or the magic given to her, anyway) absorbed the bulk of the energy, Kormir style-- though she still died regardless due to being impaled. That said, I don't think she can replace Kraalkatorik as a ghost, so resurrection is a necessary step 2 (and it provides a sort of narrative symmetry between her story and the PC's). Like forging the spear -- set the mold (Glint's trial), heat the material (thanks, Kraalk!), and then quench it (resurrection).

    There are several justifiable ways to pull off a dragon resurrection (doubt there's another Eater of Souls in Dragon Heaven, though), but there's a lot supporting the Joko theory -- one, it makes the manner of Joko's death essential to the plot, rather than just casually dispensing with a fan favorite character to move on with the dragon story. Two, they shoehorned in an awakened sylvari in the final fight -- an answer to a question no one has ever asked, but which pre-emptively justifies using Awakening magic on a purified minion of Kraalkatorik. Three, they've repeatedly indicated that divine magic (even from fallen gods) retains its nature after being absorbed by dragons, by pointing out that Balthazar's sword and priestess can sense his presence inside Aurene. Now, nothing so far has confirmed that Awakening is divine magic, and Joko certainly isn't a god whatever he might say. But comparing it with ordinary necromancy is like comparing the foefire with elementalism, and the raids usually have at least some tenuous connection to the larger plot, so... what if it's Underworld magic that Dhuum sealed away on general anti-undeath principle, and Joko (who seems plenty familiar with the Underworld) managed to get his hands on it? If she's still got it, then rumors of her mortality are drastically... overstated.

    I mean, sequestering herself away to commune with long-dead prophets before steeling herself to become the central player in an ancient plan that saves the world and fundamentally changes the metaphysics of reality by letting herself be pierced with spikes and then self-resurrecting after a bit, during which time all the people who though she would just show up and kick kitten scatter and grieve and starting wondering where it all went wrong... I mean, it's a little on the nose, right?

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, there's just no way the Joko bit was a coincidence. I think if anything is a "red-herring" or whatever it's the whole moment with branding Caithe. I think people are looking farther into that than they should be and ignoring the more obvious with Joko's magic. If anything, I feel like Caithe's branding was more of a way of showing what elder dragon Aurene's power will be and relieving the doubt of the team in that moment, not her implanting her psyche or whatever via Mordremoth magic. Her branding may come back later in the story as a signal that her connection with Aurene is back which leads us to go find Aurene and realize she's back and alive, but I don't think it will be anything more than that.

    The awakened sylvari thing is interesting but could just be because they read the forums and were like, "well let's just add this in as a fun bit to answer a question that a few people had and let them speculate." But the awakened sylvari, plus mention of the lich's death, plus the domain of the lost. It's just so much foreshadowing to me that along with wanting Aurene back as a non-mists only being, would anger me because they put in all of these pieces of a puzzle that would be meaningless if not expanded upon.

    And also, people keep mentioning how angry they would be that they just brought Aurene back to life in the next episode via Joko, but seem to be forgetting or omitting the fact that last season we had two active elder dragons that were simultaneously put back to sleep with a machine while also revealing a long dead Mursaat is a human god in disguise. I mean, the Aurene ate Joko and resurrects herself makes a heck of a lot more sense and has had a lot more plot development than that ever did. We also end the episode completely different than we have any other episode that I can recall... with a classic black screen saying "I don't know." Similarly done to how transitioned through the Domain of the Lost chapter in Path of Fire story. It's the traditional "to be continued.." black screen cliffhanger. Would make perfect sense that we just pick up immediately where we left off this episode. (Hopefully not in Lion's Arch with freakin' mail and actually in the instance with a cinematic of Aurene coming back to life or Caithe's brandedness coming back and speaking for Aurene through her letting us know that we need to continue to pursue Kralk and that she'll rejoin after we kill him or something.)

  • @cptaylor.2670 said:

    And also, people keep mentioning how angry they would be that they just brought Aurene back to life in the next episode via Joko, but seem to be forgetting or omitting the fact that last season we had two active elder dragons that were simultaneously put back to sleep with a machine while also revealing a long dead Mursaat is a human god in disguise. I mean, the Aurene ate Joko and resurrects herself makes a heck of a lot more sense and has had a lot more plot development than that ever did. We also end the episode completely different than we have any other episode that I can recall... with a classic black screen saying "I don't know." Similarly done to how transitioned through the Domain of the Lost chapter in Path of Fire story. It's the traditional "to be continued.." black screen cliffhanger. Would make perfect sense that we just pick up immediately where we left off this episode. (Hopefully not in Lion's Arch with freakin' mail and actually in the instance with a cinematic of Aurene coming back to life or Caithe's brandedness coming back and speaking for Aurene through her letting us know that we need to continue to pursue Kralk and that she'll rejoin after we kill him or something.)

    I have a bit of another theory going on. Aurene was the most immediate dragon to absorb Mordremoth's magic. Think back carefully as to why we had to kill Trehearne.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Alimar.8760 said:
    Ok guys, please don't click on the spoiler unless you want major spoilers but these are my thoughts.

    1. Aurene ate Palawa Joko
    2. Palawa Joko is a lich.
    3. Joko can come back from the dead.
    4. Aurene can now come back from the dead.
    5. Please?
    6. Please tell me I'm right...
    7. cries

    Tell me you felt the same way. Also props to the new tech that introduced camera control and the custom animations for the last scene. Definitely adds a lot more to the game that I didn't know I wanted.

    Joko doesn't come back from the dead.

    Joko never dies.

    Key difference.

    Aurene dies.

    Full thoughts.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @perilisk.1874 said:
    I think sometime back in LS3, someone ran across some arenanet art or concept art of baby aurene, titled something like "baby undead crystal dragon". So, there's that.

    I came across it and brought it up once. Might be what you're remembering, might be someone else. But here's a link: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/K8ErB

    It just refers to Aurene having magic from Mordremoth and Zhaitan upon hatching (though the artist accidentally says Primordus instead of Zhaitan).

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @cptaylor.2670 said:
    Would make perfect sense that we just pick up immediately where we left off this episode. (Hopefully not in Lion's Arch with freakin' mail and actually in the instance with a cinematic of Aurene coming back to life or Caithe's brandedness coming back and speaking for Aurene through her letting us know that we need to continue to pursue Kralk and that she'll rejoin after we kill him or something.)

    Well, time can pass differently in the Mists and in Tyria, so while it might not be very long for Aurene, I think it will be long enough to justify the time gap, and have everyone scattered and dealing with the end of the world as they see fit -- getting crazy drunk, getting married to their longtime SO, taking out as many Branded as possible, or trying some last ditch plan C to beat Kraalkatorik without blowing up Tyria (it's probably a terrible plan that would inevitably fail). Well, everyone other than the Pact Commander, who will probably spend the last days of existence killing Awakened Archon Iberu over and over. I wouldn't be shocked if the team fell apart and abandoned the commander after this epic fail, and Zojja comes in at the last minute to provide an outside perspective and remind them not to repeat the Destiny's Edge plot.

    Just speculating, the episode will start with Caithe sensing Aurene's presence and reaching out to the PC to see if they felt anything too. They'll return together to wherever they left her body (Glint's lair, maybe?), but will have already missed her -- everyone without a direct connection will disagree about what it means (some siding with PC and Caithe and saying we should search for her, others insisting it's just a stage of grief and the Inquest probably carried her body off to study it and that we need to focus on stupid plan C) and she'll make a dramatic entrance later on in the episode when plan C is busy going pear-shaped and blindside Kraalkatorik.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:
    I think sometime back in LS3, someone ran across some arenanet art or concept art of baby aurene, titled something like "baby undead crystal dragon". So, there's that.

    I came across it and brought it up once. Might be what you're remembering, might be someone else. But here's a link: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/K8ErB

    It just refers to Aurene having magic from Mordremoth and Zhaitan upon hatching (though the artist accidentally says Primordus instead of Zhaitan).

    Awwww... I probably shouldn't be looking at that after this episode.

  • Would Aurene coming back with Joko's magic in some way corrupt her? She may be better off left dead. As well as the world.

    I would enjoy visiting her and her family in the mists though.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @BigBragg.8354 said:
    Would Aurene coming back with Joko's magic in some way corrupt her? She may be better off left dead. As well as the world.

    In Episodes 4 and 5, they showed that the Awakened might physically be undead, but they are still basically human (or Charr, or whatever). Without Joko around to control them, they're no more corrupted than Sylvari. Technically Aurene is still fleshy, but I'm guessing that she'd go full crystal if she came back the Joko route, to avoid the yuckiness of having our sweet baby dragon as a zombie. That, or we learn that Joko perverted the magic for his own ends, but it can be used as life magic (sort of like Abaddon and Kormir having different takes on the same domain)... the latter would be interesting, since she might be able to restore the Awakened to their normal forms as well.

  • My thoughts are that if kralk is alive so it is his ability to merge time and places like we saw old Orr in EP4. Could there be some way to use this ability to our adventage?

  • Only 1 thing to say: #bringbackaurene plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @perilisk.1874 said:

    @BigBragg.8354 said:
    Would Aurene coming back with Joko's magic in some way corrupt her? She may be better off left dead. As well as the world.

    In Episodes 4 and 5, they showed that the Awakened might physically be undead, but they are still basically human (or Charr, or whatever). Without Joko around to control them, they're no more corrupted than Sylvari. Technically Aurene is still fleshy, but I'm guessing that she'd go full crystal if she came back the Joko route, to avoid the yuckiness of having our sweet baby dragon as a zombie. That, or we learn that Joko perverted the magic for his own ends, but it can be used as life magic (sort of like Abaddon and Kormir having different takes on the same domain)... the latter would be interesting, since she might be able to restore the Awakened to their normal forms as well.

    They also foreshadowed a good amount about dragons succumbing to power at the beginning of this episode. I suppose a bit of it would be where does Joko end and his power begin.

  • Don't think Aurene is down for the count, Glint told her something in secret, she didn't go poof like Vlast, Balthazar or spew out countless amounts of Magic upon death.
    Aurene may of ascended or in the process of doing so becoming even stronger.

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭

    What if we make a new dragonbloodspear from aurene?

    It could be a weapon capable of storing the magic of the elderdragond

  • Aurene became Krak by spitting in its mouth LUL gross

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just replaying for achievements, and in the light of the outcome I am more convinced than ever that that was not Glint with us in the trial rooms. That was pure manipulation of our minds. Well played, Kralkatorrik.

  • trixantea.1230trixantea.1230 Member ✭✭✭

    Am I the only one here who doesn't want to see that little blue dragon again?

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Aurene reviving because she ate Joko would be lazy writing.
    Keep in mind that Aurene sacrificed herself to save the commander, this means we are more important than her. If Aurene knew that she is the only hope for Tyria, she'd let us die and let our other friends work with her to save the world. Saving the commander means WE are more important than her in stopping Kralkatorrik, and not because we are the player. Or at least I HOPE it's not because we are the player and find something else.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Just replaying for achievements, and in the light of the outcome I am more convinced than ever that that was not Glint with us in the trial rooms. That was pure manipulation of our minds. Well played, Kralkatorrik.

    Now I'm curious what gave you that impression? I've had that thought for a little while when I saw the brand on top of the other crystals inside the instance. How did her body even get in there? lol

    Planting false information would indeed be quite the 4 dimensional underwater chess move by him, that would be a good twist actually.

    Smugly chuckling forever.
    My sentence doesn't make sense? Well, I probably forgot to write half of it before posting.

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