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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    What is Anet’s stance on LFG posts that advertise a guild’s services but will not result in a group being run for said content at that time?

    Look at the raid LFG. Practically all of the posts offering their services refer you to contact someone or go to an external website to schedule their run. How’s it different than advertising a guild or advertising trying to sell an item?

  • THANK YOU. I'd been seeing someone trying to convince people to buy them 2000 gem items in the roleplay LFG section for a while, plus the times I've used it, I've gotten trolls, people who don't know what roleplay is, and worst off, some dude trying to solicit sex.

  • I'd like to learn more about the use of the tool, and how you feel it's properly used and potentially misused.

    In my opinion, I always felt that the LFG system is intended for the here and now. "I'm here, I'm forming a group to do a meta event / starting a run / offering a spot in a Raid, and you can join us to do that now." I don't believe that the LFG system was intended for advertising a third-party site, or a later run, or a guild that you can join to participate in group content at some later time. Is that what you're seeing, Ayrilana and Kazuko? Am I mistaken about the best use of the system?

    Gaile Gray
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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I'd like to learn more about the use of the tool, and how you feel it's properly used and potentially misused.

    In my opinion, I always felt that the LFG system is intended for the here and now. "I'm here, I'm forming a group to do a meta event / starting a run / offering a spot in a Raid, and you can join us to do that now." I don't believe that the LFG system was intended for advertising a third-party site, or a later run, or a guild that you can join to participate in group content at some later time. Is that what you're seeing, Ayrilana and Kazuko? Am I mistaken about the best use of the system?

    That’s what I’m seeing.

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I'd like to learn more about the use of the tool, and how you feel it's properly used and potentially misused.

    In my opinion, I always felt that the LFG system is intended for the here and now. "I'm here, I'm forming a group to do a meta event / starting a run / offering a spot in a Raid, and you can join us to do that now." I don't believe that the LFG system was intended for advertising a third-party site, or a later run, or a guild that you can join to participate in group content at some later time. Is that what you're seeing, Ayrilana and Kazuko? Am I mistaken about the best use of the system?

    That’s what I’m seeing.

    Sorry, which are you seeing? From the above, what I said was my personal belief in the system's intended use -- "I'm here..." and active group formation -- or the use for advertising future groups, off-site communication systems, etc.?

    Gaile Gray
    Communications Manager: ArenaNet
    Fansite & Guild Relations; In-Game Events; Community Showcase Live

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I'd like to learn more about the use of the tool, and how you feel it's properly used and potentially misused.

    In my opinion, I always felt that the LFG system is intended for the here and now. "I'm here, I'm forming a group to do a meta event / starting a run / offering a spot in a Raid, and you can join us to do that now." I don't believe that the LFG system was intended for advertising a third-party site, or a later run, or a guild that you can join to participate in group content at some later time. Is that what you're seeing, Ayrilana and Kazuko? Am I mistaken about the best use of the system?

    That’s what I’m seeing.

    Sorry, which are you seeing? From the above, what I said was my personal belief in the system's intended use -- "I'm here..." and active group formation -- or the use for advertising future groups, off-site communication systems, etc.?

    It’s the “or the use for advertising future groups, off-site communication systems, etc.”

    It’s much different from how players used the LFG years ago to sell Arah clears as back then you’d get the clear once the payments were made and the group was full.

  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I'd like to learn more about the use of the tool, and how you feel it's properly used and potentially misused.

    In my opinion, I always felt that the LFG system is intended for the here and now. "I'm here, I'm forming a group to do a meta event / starting a run / offering a spot in a Raid, and you can join us to do that now." I don't believe that the LFG system was intended for advertising a third-party site, or a later run, or a guild that you can join to participate in group content at some later time. Is that what you're seeing, Ayrilana and Kazuko? Am I mistaken about the best use of the system?

    That’s what I’m seeing.

    Agreed; that seems to form the bulk of adverts much of the day.


    It evolved to this for good reasons, though. For example, one year, as a Wintersday Gift, I bought raid runs for friends, so they could get a chance to see what raids were like, without having to commit to a potentially long learn/fail/improve cycle. (Side note: this was an unintended success in other ways: a lot of people ended up becoming raiders themselves as a result.)

    Obviously, it worked better for that situation for me to contact someone to schedule mutually available times. It was easier for the raider sellers to have a single point of contact (me); it was easier for me to have a single point of contact on the selling side, too. Not a single purchase was made in the "here and now."

    Plus, the seller needs to coordinate 5+ people; it's awkward at best to ask everyone to wait around just in case there's a buyer.

    tl;dr it's probably unrealistic to assume that most raid selling can take place in the immediate moment and accommodate all the people interested
    (I don't think that suggests that ANet should or shouldn't change enforcement; it's simply a comment about human nature which ANet's policy wonks can include in their discussions.)

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • TexZero.7910TexZero.7910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    Sorry, which are you seeing? From the above, what I said was my personal belief in the system's intended use -- "I'm here..." and active group formation -- or the use for advertising future groups, off-site communication systems, etc.?

    Both to be fair.

    So if the intended use is for here and now we should report those listing for "Future Runs" or those that emplore you to sign up at thier websites then ?

  • Why does it bother you?
    I for one, do not raid, but I do see advertisements for selling raid clears -- but again I ask, why does it matter?
    It's not like there is a limit of LFG creations that are taking up "spots" preventing others from putting up LFGs.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @PeerlessArch.6547 said:
    Why does it bother you?
    I for one, do not raid, but I do see advertisements for selling raid clears -- but again I ask, why does it matter?
    It's not like there is a limit of LFG creations that are taking up "spots" preventing others from putting up LFGs.

    I think people just want Anet to be clear on the their policy... If they say it's ok to advertise on LFG to go to a external site and schedule their runs with the sellers, then we should all be ok with it...

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  • DragonFury.6243DragonFury.6243 Member ✭✭✭✭

    so Anet dont like players selling raids !!!
    but why now ?

  • edited January 14, 2019

    @PeerlessArch.6547 said:
    Why does it bother you?
    I for one, do not raid, but I do see advertisements for selling raid clears -- but again I ask, why does it matter?
    It's not like there is a limit of LFG creations that are taking up "spots" preventing others from putting up LFGs.

    That's a good point. It's not like the announcements are blocking a finite number of spaces in the message queue. :)

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    It evolved to this for good reasons, though. For example, one year, as a Wintersday Gift, I bought raid runs for friends, so they could get a chance to see what raids were like, without having to commit to a potentially long learn/fail/improve cycle. (Side note: this was an unintended success in other ways: a lot of people ended up becoming raiders themselves as a result.)

    Obviously, it worked better for that situation for me to contact someone to schedule mutually available times. It was easier for the raider sellers to have a single point of contact (me); it was easier for me to have a single point of contact on the selling side, too. Not a single purchase was made in the "here and now."

    Plus, the seller needs to coordinate 5+ people; it's awkward at best to ask everyone to wait around just in case there's a buyer.

    tl;dr it's probably unrealistic to assume that most raid selling can take place in the immediate moment and accommodate all the people interested
    (I don't think that suggests that ANet should or shouldn't change enforcement; it's simply a comment about human nature which ANet's policy wonks can include in their discussions.)

    I'm going to try to find out more from the Raids team. I take on board what @Illconceived Was Na.9781 say here: It's pretty simple to build an immediate group. For instance, "I'm going to do the meta in AB now, come along." It's less simple to create a guild for super high-level content in the immediate timeframe. You know, "Let's group up and take on the hardest raid in the game in four minutes" doesn't have a good ring to it. After all, people getting set for a raid attempt need to align their Cool Ranch Doritos, Dr. Pepper, and Thin Mint cookies, right? ;)

    As I said, I'll see if the Raids folks have input. Considering the different services that the LFG tool can /does offer in the game, I imagine its currents uses probably are ok. I'll post if I learn more.

    Gaile Gray
    Communications Manager: ArenaNet
    Fansite & Guild Relations; In-Game Events; Community Showcase Live

  • BlueJin.4127BlueJin.4127 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    You know, "Let's group up and take on the hardest raid in the game in four minutes" doesn't have a good ring to it.

    I can't speak for raids, but for many open world contents, putting up LFG announcements ahead of time is crucial.

    For many major meta events, if you don't show up at least 10 minutes in advance, the map will become full and you're out of luck. As such, it's crucial for commanders to put up LFG announcements early on so that players are able to get in the same map before it is too late.

    And for HP trains in HoT, it can feel awful getting in late to an HP train and missing some of the HP's that are not easy to solo. Seeing that the HP train starts in about 30 minutes helps the player get to the train on time, so they don't miss anything. Sure, there are usually some other players doing HP's who are willing to help and dedicated players can solo HoT HP's. Still, it's very convenient to have commanders post in LFG in advance.

    I think my examples are fundamentally different than adverts saying go to a web site to schedule raids, but I just wanted to post that posting several minutes in advance is, in itself, very helpful and I don’t see why this would be a problem.

    ^^

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 16, 2019

    So the LFG tool has multiple issues, some easily addressed immediately, others not so easily.

    • My main issue: it’s quasi hidden.
      It takes at least two button presses to even get to the selection of which area of the game you are looking for a group. Other MMOs have 1 button automatic group finders on speed dial (those have their own issues and I am not advertising for them) and meanwhile players have to navigate through multiple tabs here. Make the LFG function an entire separate tab and give new players a proper introduction to it. Also with the constant increase in maps, eventually sub tabs for areas will become required.

    • Give the LFG tab a face lift.
      The spvp and WvW tabs are a nice baseline to start with. More visual information, buttons, descriptions. This also extends to the contacts tab, but that one can work as minimalistic name roster. There is great ideas floating around, here is one example (though this goes beyond LFG and is more along the line of general interface update): https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/8p2fsc/ingame_content_guide_ui_mockup/ Visual information (especially colors to indicate different things) is a great way to convey information and is already getting used with say commanders tags (both as visual information about group belonging as well as location).

    • Customization
      Players use abbreviations and custom words to express desired traits in party members they are looking for. Some of these should be rolled into a LFG system. This needs to be done very carefully though as to not fracture the player base but just give enough freedom to allow people to properly express what they are looking for while not getting to discriminating against other players. At the same time, being able to properly pre-filter applicants to groups should reduce toxicity by reducing misunderstandings. Certain boon and role desire is already in the game. Some way to address this is required. The last part obviously relates mostly to fractals and raids (which might be worthy of getting their own customization page in a LFG tab).

    • Other than LFG uses
      I am not strictly opposed to people advertising their services on the LFG, this has been a feature ever since GW1 just as having people perform services like rushes or clears. I do believe that some filters need to be put in place. Let people who advertise for something which is not directly related to group finding do so in a separate place or have them color code their ad and allow people to hide it who are not interested. This is especially dominant with raid (and in the past dungeon) sellers.

    • Link LFG to megaservers
      By this I mean give players a better overview of where groups they are joining are or give groups easier ways to see where players are. The current jump to player and check map ID system is clunky and the majority of players will not use, know about or understand it.

    EDIT: changed "fractals and dungeons" to "fractals and raids" which had been my original intent. Dungeons while too might ask for specific traits (level 80, experience, etc.) are not that difficult of content to warrant to many modifiers.

  • BlueJin.4127BlueJin.4127 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    Ah, OK. Thank you for the example. I was just concerned when Gaile said posting in advance doesn’t sound good. I guess I really was worrying about apples when people were talking about oranges.

    ^^

  • I like @Cyninja.2954's "facelift" ideas as a place to start talking about LFG 2.0 — the existing LFG is clunky at best; it works, just barely. There are a lot of simple things that can be done that would make it easier to navigate, and more still changes that would run short of a complete overhaul and still offer huge usability improvements.

    (Although probably better to be separated into its own thread rather than attempting to discuss it here. I am similarly tempted to follow up, since we know that the "raids team" will be hearing more about the feedback in this thread and previous threads offering suggestions haven't seemed to have an impact over the years since its introduction.)

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  • @BlueJin.4127 said:
    Ah, OK. Thank you for the example. I was just concerned when Gaile said posting in advance doesn’t sound good. I guess I really was worrying about apples when people were talking about oranges.

    I don't think you were; the situation is fluid. Gaile's taking feedback both about how people see it being used and about how people think it could be used, based on the broad policy of "it's okay to sell clears" and specifically that it can be okay to used LFG to indicate one is available to do so.

    Or in other words: it's good that you brought it up; you're not the only one wondering.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • TexZero.7910TexZero.7910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    I like @Cyninja.2954's "facelift" ideas as a place to start talking about LFG 2.0 — the existing LFG is clunky at best; it works, just barely. There are a lot of simple things that can be done that would make it easier to navigate, and more still changes that would run short of a complete overhaul and still offer huge usability improvements.

    (Although probably better to be separated into its own thread rather than attempting to discuss it here. I am similarly tempted to follow up, since we know that the "raids team" will be hearing more about the feedback in this thread and previous threads offering suggestions haven't seemed to have an impact over the years since its introduction.)

    While yes a facelift is needed, i don't think this is explicity on the raids team to look at but rather the systems team as this is much more deeply integrated into the entire game and isn't just a raid issue. I do agree and have stated so in the past that the LFG is woefully outdated and needs to be modernized. Hopefully that's taken to heart and we see some progress in the future.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @PeerlessArch.6547 said:
    Why does it bother you?
    I for one, do not raid, but I do see advertisements for selling raid clears -- but again I ask, why does it matter?
    It's not like there is a limit of LFG creations that are taking up "spots" preventing others from putting up LFGs.

    Would it bother you if people used the LFG to sell items? How about to advertise their guild? What about just to make nonsense posts? Surely all of those have a comparable impact on players as raid service advertisements would. The only difference is that those are specifically against the rules and the advertising to schedule services is in a sort of gray area.

    If it were allowable to make advertisements, which really weren’t meant to result in an actual party at that time (or even day), then what’s to stop a guild from advertising something like guild missions on certain days of the week while also subtlety advertising their guild?

    For selling clears, is it really that difficult to gather members to do it and then advertise for the service? Is that really that unreasonable?

    What’s also to stop people from creating ads for players to mail or go to an external website to schedule services such as jumping puzzle clears, HP runs, achievement help, etc?

  • I don't think that a "facelift" for the interface is in the cards. Certainly I have not heard about it. I know that everyone has an opinion, and several people may have brilliant ideas about how something can be changed to function more to their liking or even, perhaps, in a better way for everyone. But at the core, any changes to in-game UI and functionality would take a bunch of people to implement, and again, I don't have any concept that such changes would be prioritized over other tasks, projects, fixes, or general undertakings.

    I do not want to put a damper on the conversation, but I did want to suggest taking a realistic view of the question about usefulness or the policies behind the uses of the existing tool, rather than moving wholesale into the enticing but perhaps unfeasible idea of moving to a new design.

    You are welcome to share any kind of idea you want to share, including design-based or full functionality changes. However, I don't want to see everyone start down that roadway without mentioning that such suggestions cannot be seen as the ultimate (or only) answer to the question of use that formed the start of this conversation.

    Gaile Gray
    Communications Manager: ArenaNet
    Fansite & Guild Relations; In-Game Events; Community Showcase Live

  • Give an option to block the player advertising from the LFG interface; with the result of the advert then not being displayed making it easier/cleaner to scan for 'actual groups looking for more players'.

  • Shakensak.4892Shakensak.4892 Member
    edited January 15, 2019

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I'd like to learn more about the use of the tool, and how you feel it's properly used and potentially misused.

    In my opinion, I always felt that the LFG system is intended for the here and now. "I'm here, I'm forming a group to do a meta event / starting a run / offering a spot in a Raid, and you can join us to do that now." I don't believe that the LFG system was intended for advertising a third-party site, or a later run, or a guild that you can join to participate in group content at some later time. Is that what you're seeing, Ayrilana and Kazuko? Am I mistaken about the best use of the system?

    I think it's fine to disallow raid sellers pointing to third party sites in the LFG tool.

    The "when" part seems irrelevant to me. It does not matter if the raid is going to take place right now or they will schedule a later run. In fact, I believe it is quite inefficient to have a group of 8-9 people waiting maybe 1 or 2 hours for a player willing to buy a spot to show up.

    On the other hand, for guilds that focus on raid content, or any other content for that matter, how are they supposed to get in touch with new members when they need to fill in their ranks? Shall they spam recruiting messages in Lion's Arch or the Aerodrome or other maps?

    I would recommend that you add a new section to the LFG tool for guilds seeking new recruits, or recruits seeking a guild. After all, a guild is formed by group of people with a purpose (theoretically), so guilds should fit the scope of the LFG tool. Then guilds (or other kind of groups) could use the section to offer permanent or temporal spots (a.k.a. sell spots) for whatever kind of content they wish. You should also improve the LFG filter capabilities accordingly.

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't think that a "facelift" for the interface is in the cards. Certainly I have not heard about it. I know that everyone has an opinion, and several people may have brilliant ideas about how something can be changed to function more to their liking or even, perhaps, in a better way for everyone. But at the core, any changes to in-game UI and functionality would take a bunch of people to implement, and again, I don't have any concept that such changes would be prioritized over other tasks, projects, fixes, or general undertakings.

    I do not want to put a damper on the conversation, but I did want to suggest taking a realistic view of the question about usefulness or the policies behind the uses of the existing tool, rather than moving wholesale into the enticing but perhaps unfeasible idea of moving to a new design.

    You are welcome to share any kind of idea you want to share, including design-based or full functionality changes. However, I don't want to see everyone start down that roadway without mentioning that such suggestions cannot be seen as the ultimate (or only) answer to the question of use that formed the start of this conversation.

    Before you decide to reply to my post, I am fully aware of the complexities behind a redesign or a functionality change to the UI that you stated above. However, I am going to take my chances and still suggest the LFG to be changed. The reason is simple. Not including guilds in the LFG seems like a huge omission of a key game component.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @PeerlessArch.6547 said:
    Why does it bother you?
    I for one, do not raid, but I do see advertisements for selling raid clears -- but again I ask, why does it matter?
    It's not like there is a limit of LFG creations that are taking up "spots" preventing others from putting up LFGs.

    Would it bother you if people used the LFG to sell items? How about to advertise their guild? What about just to make nonsense posts?

    There aren't really any LFG tabs for it. There's no item/trade tab. There's no guild activity tab. There's no offtopic tab. There is however raids tab.

    I never had a problem with people advertising dungeon sells, as long as they kept to their specific dungeon tab. And whether it was about immediate or future sale didn't really concern me. Similarily, i never had a problem with people selling JPs/JP runs in the past

    If it were allowable to make advertisements, which really weren’t meant to result in an actual party at that time (or even day), then what’s to stop a guild from advertising something like guild missions on certain days of the week while also subtlety advertising their guild?

    Nothing. And personally i'd prefer they were doing it that way instead of running advert bots in main cities. Might require guild tab in LFG though.

    For selling clears, is it really that difficult to gather members to do it and then advertise for the service?

    Yes. There aren't so many buyers that you could expect to find one in reasonable time. The group is not going to stand there for hours waiting for customers. That option is only available for groups that would be doing the content anyway and feel confident to carry that one person they're missing (and hope to profit from it), or lowman if such a person won't be found. Those groups are a tiny minority as far as raids selling is concerned.

    Is that really that unreasonable?

    Yes, for the reasons mentioned above.

    What’s also to stop people from creating ads for players to mail or go to an external website to schedule services such as jumping puzzle clears, HP runs, achievement help, etc?

    Probably nothing.

    Notice, i'm not again creating separate lfg tabs for all of those. It's just i don't think it's likely to happen, for a multitude of reasons.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Jura.2170Jura.2170 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't think that a "facelift" for the interface is in the cards.

    Hi Gaile

    I made a few suggestions to improve the Guild Window here. Like when someone rejects a guild invite, instead of the roster history saying they left the guild, it should be changed to say they declined a guild invite. The membership list Roster tab should say how long someone's been in a guild and how many times someone's declined a guild invite. And it needs a bug fix too, since when someone leaves a guild, the Roster History shows a blank entry for 10 or 20 minutes every time its clicked on

    Can these small and simple improvements be made? They shouldn't take much time. Even letting us write more in the Guild Window's message of the day would be a big help. I always run out of space to put things

    please make a Taimi voice mail pack
    my QoL wishes

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Diobolica.8523 said:
    Give an option to block the player advertising from the LFG interface; with the result of the advert then not being displayed making it easier/cleaner to scan for 'actual groups looking for more players'.

    But how would the system know what is advertising and what isn't? Wouldn't the advertisers find ways to circumvent any such filters?

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:

    @PeerlessArch.6547 said:
    Why does it bother you?
    I for one, do not raid, but I do see advertisements for selling raid clears -- but again I ask, why does it matter?
    It's not like there is a limit of LFG creations that are taking up "spots" preventing others from putting up LFGs.

    That's a good point. It's not like the announcements are blocking a finite number of spaces in the message queue. :)

    I think the point is that some players don't want to have to wade through a bunch of adverts to find "legitimate" LFGs.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Kunzaito.8169Kunzaito.8169 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2019

    I can't speak to raids, since I don't raid, and I acknowledge what Gaile said about no rework being in the cards... but I can't help but reiterate that some kind of design change is warranted. And I'm gonna go against the flow here and say that more granularity is NOT the answer.

    As others have said, it's not exactly intuitive how to get to the LFG. Perhaps for that reason, for the most part the LFG is a ghost town. I have on many occasions when I was bored clicked around in there to see what people were looking for others to do, and almost none of the tabs had anything advertised in them. For the most part, everything gets slapped into Central Tyria groups or squads, since they're on top and thus the first and last thing most players check. Fractals are kind of busy, there's usually some action for metas on popular farming maps (Istan and Auric Basin primarily), and that's about it. No one ever uses most of the slots - for example, a new player who tried to use the "mentoring" tab would likely come away with the impression that no one plays this game at all. I've never seen a listing in PvP, WvW, Roleplay, Story Journal, or Achievements. You'll wait a very long time for a dungeon group nowadays. And even the new Festivals tab, most of the time was empty with people posting in Central Tyria like usual.

    So, adding more ways to fracture the eyeballs looking at the lfg isn't a good thing. There needs to be a way for people to find specific things they're looking for, yes, but there also needs to be more initiative to guide players who are just looking for something to do or help with something to a central location. It needs a critical mass of traffic, because if you list yourself looking for help on a fiddly achievement and sit there alone for 10 minutes you'll probably conclude LFG is useless and not come back to help the next guy. More eyes in one place leads to people hopefully jumping in to do something they weren't considering but will be fun anyway, and then leads to people being more likely to list there for stuff they want to do. Create the virtuous circle.

    Creating more tabs, more ways to filter, etc. is going to exacerbate the issues with LFG, not make things better.

  • Speaking from the Raider side There's 2 main different points that may be inconflict with the "right here right now":

    **1- Raid sellers: ** not sure if you are gonna allow this or not, but how raid selling works is, they advertise, an interested person contacts them, and they find a time they are both Ok with (given that buyers are usually 2 or 3, meaning sellers need to coordinate 7 or 8 people wich wont be waiting all day in case a buyer comes up, specially cuz it doesnt happen that often). That will NOT work with the "we are selling 2 spots for raids right now" cuz then people could just stay still for several hours and even then not get a buyer.

    **2- Static/Guild finder: ** When you wanna suround yourself with people that do same content as you do, what better place than somewhere where all people doing the content can meet, AKA the LFG tool, leaving guild aside, when it comes to statics there's no other place to advertise "we are needing 1 person for an static that runs 3 days a week from X pm to Y pm, that is able to fill W role" that will totally not be a "right now" kind of party, since people undergo trials and stuff in order check if they are a good fit for the other 9 people (not only in game skills, but also interpersonal skills).

    Main reason why LFG is used for those is because you can just AFK and read messages later, and everyone and anyone in the game can read it despite of where they are, that Versus using region chat where only people in same map can read it, and where you need to be actively in the computer to read/speak.

  • No issues with the what Nowaki.xxx has described.
    What I suggest is a way to filter out these adverts by 'block' or some other means so that I can monitor the LFG window for raid groups that are looking for classes that I play rather than having to wade through static & sell adverts.
    1. Action: right click LFG UI / context menu / block player (cmdr or player who is hosting the advert)
    2. Effect: player is added to my block list and I do not see adverts placed by that person/account.
    3. Review: clearing my block list will enable me to see adverts placed by persons likely to place adverts.

    Sorted
    PS I recognise that this would need to be done a few times as persons would use other players/accounts in their team to also place adds; put I am fine with that.

    Job done :)

  • What about actual guild recruitment in general? This had been addressed on the German forums a while back but no one tends to take it seriously and to be honest it's all I see in most normalized pve sections for content. Instead of grouping organization I get that so and so guild is recruiting so and so players...they aren't even forming a group for the content I the section they advertised.

    Is it possible to add a lfg tool ruleset with anti guild recruitment rule in the interface so rhey can be held accountable?

    Will you address this?

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