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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:
    I Hope Mister E is finally revealed in the next episode/release.

    If E is just a ghost that controlls the human politics using a magic pool of water and the post office... That would be disapponting at least for me.

    But the real problem is that Arenanet has created a great mistery with E, and the people that write the story today is not the same that create the character, so E is in danger of never be mentioned again.

    For Me, E Will be always be Caudecus Daugther.

    Isn't she dead..?

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    E is Faren.

    We learn Faren is his family name, and his first name is Ernie.

    Lord Ernie Faren, aka Mister E.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    E is Faren.

    We learn Faren is his family name, and his first name is Ernie.

    Lord Ernie Faren, aka Mister E.

    And he would have got away with it too if it weren't for all those pesky kids...

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  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @vier.1327 said:
    I Hope Mister E is finally revealed in the next episode/release.

    If E is just a ghost that controlls the human politics using a magic pool of water and the post office... That would be disapponting at least for me.

    But the real problem is that Arenanet has created a great mistery with E, and the people that write the story today is not the same that create the character, so E is in danger of never be mentioned again.

    For Me, E Will be always be Caudecus Daugther.

    Isn't she dead..?

    Anda that is why E has not ver appeared again, because she is dead.

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 15, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    E is Faren.

    We learn Faren is his family name, and his first name is Ernie.

    Lord Ernie Faren, aka Mister E.

    Excuse me, its Lore Ernest Faren to you.
    Only Mumsy gets to call him Ernie.

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  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 15, 2020

    @vier.1327 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @vier.1327 said:
    I Hope Mister E is finally revealed in the next episode/release.

    If E is just a ghost that controlls the human politics using a magic pool of water and the post office... That would be disapponting at least for me.

    But the real problem is that Arenanet has created a great mistery with E, and the people that write the story today is not the same that create the character, so E is in danger of never be mentioned again.

    For Me, E Will be always be Caudecus Daugther.

    Isn't she dead..?

    Anda that is why E has not ver appeared again, because she is dead.

    She doesn't really have the motive to care about Lions Arch assassination. She is very occupied with her mommy issues.

    Also E does not know letter about assassination comes from Caudecus and her daughter should surely recognise fathers hand writing.

    You previously believed it is Lady Wi which seems much more likely to me. What made you change your mind that it is Caudecus' daughter?

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭

    @McPero.3287 said:

    @vier.1327 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @vier.1327 said:
    I Hope Mister E is finally revealed in the next episode/release.

    If E is just a ghost that controlls the human politics using a magic pool of water and the post office... That would be disapponting at least for me.

    But the real problem is that Arenanet has created a great mistery with E, and the people that write the story today is not the same that create the character, so E is in danger of never be mentioned again.

    For Me, E Will be always be Caudecus Daugther.

    Isn't she dead..?

    Anda that is why E has not ver appeared again, because she is dead.

    She doesn't really have the motive to care about Lions Arch assassination. She is very occupied with her mommy issues.

    Also E does not know letter about assassination comes from Caudecus and her daughter should surely recognise fathers hand writing.

    You previously believed it is Lady Wi which seems much more likely to me. What made you change your mind that it is Caudecus' daughter?

    After i did the order of whisper story and see the mesmer abilities pf Lady Wi, i though she is E, and is the number one posibility and the one with more probablities. Also, her daugther is near Caudecus so could be the perfect spy in the white mantle.

    Logicaly speaking, Lady Wi should be E.

    But later, i though in Demmi as a character that could be much more.

    And how could she pay for the sins of her father already being dead? Being E this all time.

    She has the political conections and the order of whisper resources.

    But, if i would have to bet, i Will put all my money on Lady Wi. Demmi is just my Romantic way of seing the mistery.

  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:

    @vier.1327 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @vier.1327 said:
    I Hope Mister E is finally revealed in the next episode/release.

    If E is just a ghost that controlls the human politics using a magic pool of water and the post office... That would be disapponting at least for me.

    But the real problem is that Arenanet has created a great mistery with E, and the people that write the story today is not the same that create the character, so E is in danger of never be mentioned again.

    For Me, E Will be always be Caudecus Daugther.

    Isn't she dead..?

    Anda that is why E has not ver appeared again, because she is dead.

    She doesn't really have the motive to care about Lions Arch assassination. She is very occupied with her mommy issues.

    Also E does not know letter about assassination comes from Caudecus and her daughter should surely recognise fathers hand writing.

    You previously believed it is Lady Wi which seems much more likely to me. What made you change your mind that it is Caudecus' daughter?

    After i did the order of whisper story and see the mesmer abilities pf Lady Wi, i though she is E, and is the number one posibility and the one with more probablities. Also, her daugther is near Caudecus so could be the perfect spy in the white mantle.

    Logicaly speaking, Lady Wi should be E.

    But later, i though in Demmi as a character that could be much more.

    And how could she pay for the sins of her father already being dead? Being E this all time.

    She has the political conections and the order of whisper resources.

    But, if i would have to bet, i Will put all my money on Lady Wi. Demmi is just my Romantic way of seing the mistery.

    That makes a lot of sense ye. But would you say Anet would really write a story where a daughter of a criminal somehow needs to repay for her fathers sins?

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I rather doubt that Demmi is E.

    Keep in mind the earliest chronological mention of E, is Marjory's backstory. Sadly, we do not have a year for the events in this story, however it likely predates the personal story, as after the events of this Marjory had joined the Durmand Priory, went inactive in the order, and made a name for herself as detective before mid-1326 AE. In this, although E is never seen, we are given three facts about E:

    1. He's male.
    2. He's human (otherwise Marjory would have denoted an oddity)
    3. He's not a necromancer.

    Now the first two of these could be theoretically negated if E was a mesmer. But Demmi is no mesmer.

    So, imo, any non-mesmer is automatically denounced if they're not a human male non-necromancer.

    On top of that, while it doesn't truly help clarify E's person, E is also shown to be interested in the matters of Lion's Arch politics, and as of 1325 AE has informants within the Shining Blade, and as of S3 has informants within the Seraph, and Order of Whispers as well. This further denounces Demmi, as in 1325 AE, she was a scared girl, not a spymaster.

    Furthermore, whomever E is, they didn't recognize Caudecus' handwriting when the latter sent them a letter. This also shows that Caudecus knew who E was as of 1325 AE, and did nothing obvious against them - he definitely would have if it was Demmi.

    [On a side note: the Arton argument makes sense with the last point, as despite being friends, Caudecus framed Arton for the faked deaths of the Falcon Company.]

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  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    I rather doubt that Demmi is E.

    Keep in mind the earliest chronological mention of E, is Marjory's backstory. Sadly, we do not have a year for the events in this story, however it likely predates the personal story, as after the events of this Marjory had joined the Durmand Priory, went inactive in the order, and made a name for herself as detective before mid-1326 AE. In this, although E is never seen, we are given three facts about E:

    1. He's male.
    2. He's human (otherwise Marjory would have denoted an oddity)
    3. He's not a necromancer.

    Now the first two of these could be theoretically negated if E was a mesmer. But Demmi is no mesmer.

    So, imo, any non-mesmer is automatically denounced if they're not a human male non-necromancer.

    On top of that, while it doesn't truly help clarify E's person, E is also shown to be interested in the matters of Lion's Arch politics, and as of 1325 AE has informants within the Shining Blade, and as of S3 has informants within the Seraph, and Order of Whispers as well. This further denounces Demmi, as in 1325 AE, she was a scared girl, not a spymaster.

    Furthermore, whomever E is, they didn't recognize Caudecus' handwriting when the latter sent them a letter. This also shows that Caudecus knew who E was as of 1325 AE, and did nothing obvious against them - he definitely would have if it was Demmi.

    [On a side note: the Arton argument makes sense with the last point, as despite being friends, Caudecus framed Arton for the faked deaths of the Falcon Company.]

    I believe Marjory was part of the seraph not Durmand Priory.

    It's very weird that E replies and signs with E, but yes Caudecus definitely must have knew how to contact E but it's not sure to say that he knew who E is. But he knew E must be an enemy of the White Mantle that can act to remove current leader.

  • Aaron Ansari.1604Aaron Ansari.1604 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 15, 2020

    @McPero.3287 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    I rather doubt that Demmi is E.

    Keep in mind the earliest chronological mention of E, is Marjory's backstory. Sadly, we do not have a year for the events in this story, however it likely predates the personal story, as after the events of this Marjory had joined the Durmand Priory, went inactive in the order, and made a name for herself as detective before mid-1326 AE. In this, although E is never seen, we are given three facts about E:

    1. He's male.
    2. He's human (otherwise Marjory would have denoted an oddity)
    3. He's not a necromancer.

    Now the first two of these could be theoretically negated if E was a mesmer. But Demmi is no mesmer.

    So, imo, any non-mesmer is automatically denounced if they're not a human male non-necromancer.

    On top of that, while it doesn't truly help clarify E's person, E is also shown to be interested in the matters of Lion's Arch politics, and as of 1325 AE has informants within the Shining Blade, and as of S3 has informants within the Seraph, and Order of Whispers as well. This further denounces Demmi, as in 1325 AE, she was a scared girl, not a spymaster.

    Furthermore, whomever E is, they didn't recognize Caudecus' handwriting when the latter sent them a letter. This also shows that Caudecus knew who E was as of 1325 AE, and did nothing obvious against them - he definitely would have if it was Demmi.

    [On a side note: the Arton argument makes sense with the last point, as despite being friends, Caudecus framed Arton for the faked deaths of the Falcon Company.]

    I believe Marjory was part of the seraph not Durmand Priory.

    Marjory was part of the Ministry Guard, quit when she realized they were corrupt, and started up as a private investigator. At some point during that career she joined the Priory, although she doesn't make a big deal about it and it only comes up when the writers want her to have access to Priory resources.

    It's very weird that E replies and signs with E, but yes Caudecus definitely must have knew how to contact E but it's not sure to say that he knew who E is. But he knew E must be an enemy of the White Mantle that can act to remove current leader.

    Another reason that it's very unlikely to be Demmi. In Chapter 2 of the Personal Story, E managed to pull strings in the Shining Blade to put them on the White Mantle's scent without exposing himself. In Chapter 3, Demmi is a naive girl who ran straight into the arms of pirates, only carrying away information that the Order of Whispers ultimately couldn't get much use out of. It's hard to reconcile those two facts into one person.

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  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    any relation to alice d? I wonder.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    But wasn't E confirmed (or heavily implied) to be a human?

    I believe so, considering the amount of human politics and political interests involved with the character and the almost total absense of non humans in this area I would strongly beleive that E is definitely a Human, most likely a Human male.

    If we have met him in person in game then I'd put my money on him being a NPC in one of the many story missions of the game that would be easy to overlook at the time we encounter him.

    I am also curious if Riot Alice will come back into the story again at some point, she has not been seen in a long time and I have a feeling that she is likely working with E these days.

  • @Teratus.2859 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    But wasn't E confirmed (or heavily implied) to be a human?

    I believe so, considering the amount of human politics and political interests involved with the character and the almost total absense of non humans in this area I would strongly beleive that E is definitely a Human, most likely a Human male.

    If we have met him in person in game then I'd put my money on him being a NPC in one of the many story missions of the game that would be easy to overlook at the time we encounter him.

    I am also curious if Riot Alice will come back into the story again at some point, she has not been seen in a long time and I have a feeling that she is likely working with E these days.

    I would like to see that, a little bit of a call back to early GW2.

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  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2020

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I have also noticed Lady Wi is in Divinity's Reach when siege starts while E claims in one of his letters that he is on the way there and is aware of the siege. So if it is not Wi/Evie the strongest candidate is Lord Faren lol.

    ...and then later in the episode, we found Lord Faren in his underwear with a lady in Caudecus' mansion. Therefore, for that and other reasons (namely that he's a busy playboy hero with a big public profile, and also lacks E's ruthless common sense) I doubt Faren is E.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I have also noticed Lady Wi is in Divinity's Reach when siege starts while E claims in one of his letters that he is on the way there and is aware of the siege. So if it is not Wi/Evie the strongest candidate is Lord Faren lol.

    ...and then later in the episode, we found Lord Faren in his underwear with a lady in Caudecus' mansion. Therefore, for that and other reasons (namely that he's a busy playboy hero with a big public profile, and also lacks E's ruthless common sense) I doubt Faren is E.

    That... was an illusion. An illusion of Faren created by a White Mantle Mesmer.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I have also noticed Lady Wi is in Divinity's Reach when siege starts while E claims in one of his letters that he is on the way there and is aware of the siege. So if it is not Wi/Evie the strongest candidate is Lord Faren lol.

    ...and then later in the episode, we found Lord Faren in his underwear with a lady in Caudecus' mansion. Therefore, for that and other reasons (namely that he's a busy playboy hero with a big public profile, and also lacks E's ruthless common sense) I doubt Faren is E.

    That... was an illusion. An illusion of Faren created by a White Mantle Mesmer.

    Plus, even if that hadn't been an illusion, wouldn't acting like a dimwitted foppish playboy be exactly how you'd keep people from figuring out your secret, just like Bruce Wayne?

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I have also noticed Lady Wi is in Divinity's Reach when siege starts while E claims in one of his letters that he is on the way there and is aware of the siege. So if it is not Wi/Evie the strongest candidate is Lord Faren lol.

    ...and then later in the episode, we found Lord Faren in his underwear with a lady in Caudecus' mansion. Therefore, for that and other reasons (namely that he's a busy playboy hero with a big public profile, and also lacks E's ruthless common sense) I doubt Faren is E.

    That... was an illusion. An illusion of Faren created by a White Mantle Mesmer.

    Plus, even if that hadn't been an illusion, wouldn't acting like a dimwitted foppish playboy be exactly how you'd keep people from figuring out your secret, just like Bruce Wayne?

    Yup, which is why I am in favor of the Faren theory. Plus, in Season 4, Faren showed that while he is often shown as dimwitted, he actually can get things done when it counts. And with surprising ease, despite being injured.

    Faren is also in the perfect position to spy on just about everyone in Krytan politics, having enough influence to show up to any fancy party, and his "ruse" of being a dimwitted playboy would mean he is close to some of the most gossiping individuals: noble women. It would also leave others believing him to not be much threat, just an annoyance, thus making them lower their guard around them. And as a noble himself, he would also have the funds to hire various individuals. And - whether he realizes it or not - he is in direct contact with individuals of the Order of Whispers, Seraph, Shining Blade, and even Ministry Guard. Again, perfect position to have some influence. He also shows in PoF/S4 to be interested in not just Krytan politics, but other politics, like that of Lion's Arch, Amnoon, and Elona. Which would explain E's introduction to the Commander, with interest about Dragon Bash and Captain Theo Ashford's death.

    Not to mention, that E went silent during the events of HoT and early S3 despite notifying Dragon's Watch of curious ongoings at the beginning of Season 2, showing he was interested in the events with Mordremoth to some degree yet had nothing to say about it, all the while Faren was in a crashed airship and exploring the jungle, and recovering from said excursion.

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  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    Actually Faren is in DR when siege starts like Lady Wi, so yeah probably Wi still best candidate as she is a confirmed mesmer.

  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I have also noticed Lady Wi is in Divinity's Reach when siege starts while E claims in one of his letters that he is on the way there and is aware of the siege. So if it is not Wi/Evie the strongest candidate is Lord Faren lol.

    ...and then later in the episode, we found Lord Faren in his underwear with a lady in Caudecus' mansion. Therefore, for that and other reasons (namely that he's a busy playboy hero with a big public profile, and also lacks E's ruthless common sense) I doubt Faren is E.

    That... was an illusion. An illusion of Faren created by a White Mantle Mesmer.

    Plus, even if that hadn't been an illusion, wouldn't acting like a dimwitted foppish playboy be exactly how you'd keep people from figuring out your secret, just like Bruce Wayne?

    Yup, which is why I am in favor of the Faren theory. Plus, in Season 4, Faren showed that while he is often shown as dimwitted, he actually can get things done when it counts. And with surprising ease, despite being injured.

    Faren is also in the perfect position to spy on just about everyone in Krytan politics, having enough influence to show up to any fancy party, and his "ruse" of being a dimwitted playboy would mean he is close to some of the most gossiping individuals: noble women. It would also leave others believing him to not be much threat, just an annoyance, thus making them lower their guard around them. And as a noble himself, he would also have the funds to hire various individuals. And - whether he realizes it or not - he is in direct contact with individuals of the Order of Whispers, Seraph, Shining Blade, and even Ministry Guard. Again, perfect position to have some influence. He also shows in PoF/S4 to be interested in not just Krytan politics, but other politics, like that of Lion's Arch, Amnoon, and Elona. Which would explain E's introduction to the Commander, with interest about Dragon Bash and Captain Theo Ashford's death.

    Not to mention, that E went silent during the events of HoT and early S3 despite notifying Dragon's Watch of curious ongoings at the beginning of Season 2, showing he was interested in the events with Mordremoth to some degree yet had nothing to say about it, all the while Faren was in a crashed airship and exploring the jungle, and recovering from said excursion.

    That is a good point about E disappearing when Faren was lost in the jungle. I very much agree that he is an excellent fit probably best. But as i mentioned before Wi is probably even better situated then Faren to be E. And story of a minister wife being this master manipulator is also very fun.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    @McPero.3287 said:
    Actually Faren is in DR when siege starts like Lady Wi, so yeah probably Wi still best candidate as she is a confirmed mesmer.

    So I just recalled something which reduces the chances of both Lady Wi and Faren of being E. In S3E4, there are letters from E, and as part of these "E's Correspondence", E sends a letter stating:

    I'm aware of the assault on Divinity's Reach, and I'll get there as soon as I can. Don't trust anyone.

    Whomever E was, they weren't in DR when the siege began, but elsewhere. But immediately left for DR.

    Incidentally, this makes Anise perhaps the best candidate, since she was stated to be away, and showed up late. While Demmi and Logan also match that description, other letters paint Demmi and Logan as a third party - unless E would say "keep an eye on this person (who is actually me) because they're important to Kryta" or "and don't let that person (who is actually me) in on all the secrets." I wouldn't put it past them, but Demmi not being a mesmer nor male nor into the world of intrigue before 1325 imo solidly denounces her as a possibility, and Marjory would definitely recognize Logan's voice (who isn't much of a sneaky fellow even given his days as a mercenary scout leader pre-1319 AE).

    But a big part of me feels that saying Anise is E and calling it a day is just to obvious and as a result, boring. Now, granted, there are times in plots when obvious is good, but I would say not this time. Having the Master Exemplar be the mysterious Mister E pulling the strings is not only super fitting, but also boring because the presence of E represents a figure outside the secret organizations of White Mantle, Shining Blade, and Order of Whispers who is manipulating and monitoring events; a figure who has or is trying to outsmart and remain hidden from these secret spymasters while influencing political events for the common good.

    So because of that, although given the evidence of E's Correspondence and The Head of the Snake, I'm going to argue (hope) that Anise is not E.

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I have also noticed Lady Wi is in Divinity's Reach when siege starts while E claims in one of his letters that he is on the way there and is aware of the siege. So if it is not Wi/Evie the strongest candidate is Lord Faren lol.

    ...and then later in the episode, we found Lord Faren in his underwear with a lady in Caudecus' mansion. Therefore, for that and other reasons (namely that he's a busy playboy hero with a big public profile, and also lacks E's ruthless common sense) I doubt Faren is E.

    That... was an illusion. An illusion of Faren created by a White Mantle Mesmer.

    Oh god.. if White Mantle Mesmers can do stuff like that then I don't even wanna know what kind of wierd things caudecus got up to behind closed doors.
    His room was traumatizing enough xD

  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:
    Actually Faren is in DR when siege starts like Lady Wi, so yeah probably Wi still best candidate as she is a confirmed mesmer.

    So I just recalled something which reduces the chances of both Lady Wi and Faren of being E. In S3E4, there are letters from E, and as part of these "E's Correspondence", E sends a letter stating:

    I'm aware of the assault on Divinity's Reach, and I'll get there as soon as I can. Don't trust anyone.

    Whomever E was, they weren't in DR when the siege began, but elsewhere. But immediately left for DR.

    Incidentally, this makes Anise perhaps the best candidate, since she was stated to be away, and showed up late. While Demmi and Logan also match that description, other letters paint Demmi and Logan as a third party - unless E would say "keep an eye on this person (who is actually me) because they're important to Kryta" or "and don't let that person (who is actually me) in on all the secrets." I wouldn't put it past them, but Demmi not being a mesmer nor male nor into the world of intrigue before 1325 imo solidly denounces her as a possibility, and Marjory would definitely recognize Logan's voice (who isn't much of a sneaky fellow even given his days as a mercenary scout leader pre-1319 AE).

    But a big part of me feels that saying Anise is E and calling it a day is just to obvious and as a result, boring. Now, granted, there are times in plots when obvious is good, but I would say not this time. Having the Master Exemplar be the mysterious Mister E pulling the strings is not only super fitting, but also boring because the presence of E represents a figure outside the secret organizations of White Mantle, Shining Blade, and Order of Whispers who is manipulating and monitoring events; a figure who has or is trying to outsmart and remain hidden from these secret spymasters while influencing political events for the common good.

    So because of that, although given the evidence of E's Correspondence and The Head of the Snake, I'm going to argue (hope) that Anise is not E.

    I know both Faren and Wi were in DR when siege started despite message saying he is in the way to siege of DR. But lady Wi is a powerful mesmer and Wi we were talking too in DR that day was her illusion we have seen people talk through illusions multiple times. Faren could also do the same thing we just don't know if Faren is a mesmer. Other explanation is E lied in his letter, don't really see reason why he would lie but he really doesn't have a reason to be truthful all the time.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    Oh god.. if White Mantle Mesmers can do stuff like that then I don't even wanna know what kind of weird things caudecus got up to behind closed doors.
    His room was traumatizing enough xD

    LOL. I didn't realize that Faren in the end run of LS3E4 was an illusion. We walked in on a White Mantle fantasy.

    As for Caudecus' room, #1 the mirror over the bed was a hilarious touch, #2 I still want to know what was up with that portrait of Logan.

    And no, Demmi was not E. We have reasonably established that E is either male or a mesmer, and Demmi was neither. Nor was she in the kind of position of knowledge within Kryta that E is known to be; after fleeing from her father, she was effectively an outcast, as shown by Anise's mistrust of her.

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I know both Faren and Wi were in DR when siege started despite message saying he is in the way to siege of DR. But lady Wi is a powerful mesmer and Wi we were talking too in DR that day was her illusion we have seen people talk through illusions multiple times. Faren could also do the same thing we just don't know if Faren is a mesmer. Other explanation is E lied in his letter, don't really see reason why he would lie but he really doesn't have a reason to be truthful all the time.

    In all the time we have known him, Faren has never given any indication I can recall of having any sort of magical abilities. I always thought he was either Warrior or Thief. Definitely a swashbuckling swordsman in any case.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    @Fleebag.1384 said:
    E?
    "There’s a lot going on in this new hub, including the debut of an unexpected fun character that players haven’t yet seen in person. Seriously, everyone here is excited. I’ll be following the forums to read your reactions. :)"

    I doubt it, for one reason: the person we're supposed to meet is someone we "haven't yet seen in person." E is supposedly the secret identity of someone we have already met. One of those things is not entirely like the other.

    That being said, Bangar moving west to the Woodland Cascades, as has been stated for the next episode, puts him in a position to threaten Kryta. Given Bangar's known bad intentions toward humans, that definitely is a situation that would get E's attention. We'll see today...

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    That... was an illusion. An illusion of Faren created by a White Mantle Mesmer.

    Oh god.. if White Mantle Mesmers can do stuff like that then I don't even wanna know what kind of wierd things caudecus got up to behind closed doors.
    His room was traumatizing enough xD

    There is only one appropriate answer.

    @McPero.3287 said:
    I know both Faren and Wi were in DR when siege started despite message saying he is in the way to siege of DR. But lady Wi is a powerful mesmer and Wi we were talking too in DR that day was her illusion we have seen people talk through illusions multiple times. Faren could also do the same thing we just don't know if Faren is a mesmer. Other explanation is E lied in his letter, don't really see reason why he would lie but he really doesn't have a reason to be truthful all the time.

    We never see people actually talk to illusions. Anise is considered an exceptional mesmer, but the best she can do is basic responses like "Hmm" and "Hmph." Anise and Jennah together can create an illusion that gives a pre-prepared speech, but not reactionary discussion.

    So I do not think Lady Wi is capable of doing something beyond what Anise and Jennah can do working together.

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    I doubt it, for one reason: the person we're supposed to meet is someone we "haven't yet seen in person." E is supposedly the secret identity of someone we have already met. One of those things is not entirely like the other.

    I believe the idea of E being someone we know, is purely fan-created. There is, at least, no in-game confirmation that we have met E unknowingly.

    Of course, even if E is someone we know and met, as many folks believe, there is nothing to stop the mention of this "someone fun that players haven't yet seen in person" from being a bit of wordplay - after all, even if E=Faren, for example, while we have seen Faren in person, we have not seen the E persona in person.

    Same kind of application for if it's a GW1 character - a character who GW1 players have seen ,but not GW2 players, thus the statement would still be technically correct from a certain point of view.

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  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    I believe the idea of E being someone we know, is purely fan-created. There is, at least, no in-game confirmation that we have met E unknowingly.

    Stated by devs long ago, as the first post of this thread mentions. We have met E, just not as E. Hence all the speculation about E's real identity in the first place.

  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    As far as I know Jennah is not considered to be a powerful mesmer. Anise should be quite a capable mesmer since she is leader of Queen's bodyguard. But Lady Wi potentially was Master Exemplar as Evie. Since E seems very capable I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be a more powerful mesmer than Anise. Maybe E is also leader of mesmer collective.

    But yes devs stated we as player have met E before and I'm pretty sure that does no include GW1 characters (which should mostly be dead anyways).

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    @McPero.3287 said:
    As far as I know Jennah is not considered to be a powerful mesmer.

    Ohh I hope she didnt hear that haha.

    Jennah is an extremely powerful Mesmer, check out this quote from the wiki.

    "Jennah is constantly under the protection of Countess Anise, her bodyguard. She also maintains a magical connection with her personal champion, Logan Thackeray of the Seraph, allowing her to call on him in times of need. Nevertheless, Jennah is an exceptionally powerful mesmer in her own right, able to single-handedly end the Ogre Revolt by creating a clone of the Elder Dragon Kralkatorrik convincing enough that its Branded minions withdrew while simultaneously casting a glamour that held hundreds of humans and charr in place."

    I sure wouldn't want to mess with her XD

  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @McPero.3287 said:
    As far as I know Jennah is not considered to be a powerful mesmer.

    Ohh I hope she didnt hear that haha.

    Jennah is an extremely powerful Mesmer, check out this quote from the wiki.

    "Jennah is constantly under the protection of Countess Anise, her bodyguard. She also maintains a magical connection with her personal champion, Logan Thackeray of the Seraph, allowing her to call on him in times of need. Nevertheless, Jennah is an exceptionally powerful mesmer in her own right, able to single-handedly end the Ogre Revolt by creating a clone of the Elder Dragon Kralkatorrik convincing enough that its Branded minions withdrew while simultaneously casting a glamour that held hundreds of humans and charr in place."

    I sure wouldn't want to mess with her XD

    Oh okay didn't know that. Meh mesmer got nerfed not scared of them.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @McPero.3287 said:
    As far as I know Jennah is not considered to be a powerful mesmer.

    Jennah is considered one of the most powerful living mesmers, as is Anise and Kasmeer.

    Granted, this isn't abnormal levels of powerful for mortals (as many people falsely believe and thus associate the whole Lyssa theory because of it), as we have stories of, or personally seen, just as powerful mesmers such as Koro Sagewind, Kitah, and Xera.

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  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 18, 2020

    Jennah is the living Blood of Doric. During LS3 Ep 4, she put a semi-permanent Feedback glamour over all of DR and was one-shotting Ministry guards with dirty looks. Not only is she "one of" the most powerful living mesmers, she might be THE most powerful living mesmer.

    As for Anise, we've seen her do some things with clones and illusion disguises, and it has been alluded in game dialogue that she "wears" a personal illusion to hide her real age. But beyond that, we've actually not seen her do much mesmering in game. Her REAL powers on display are her temporal position as head of the Shining Blade, and a Thief-like gift for subterfuge. In any case, she is SAID to be a powerful mesmer, and we'll just have to take Anet's word on that.

    Kasmeer is by far the most player-like of the major mesmer NPCs in game; if she were a PC, her character creation would definitely have been Noble, favored by Lyssa. She uses a staff with appropriate abilities, uses Blink, and wears light armor -- if she's actually wearing anything, since it was once hinted in LS1 that her clothes are just an illusion. We've seen her do some creative things with portals and making illusions for Charr cubs to fight, but nothing nearly as exceptional as Jennah.

  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    wears light armor -- if she's actually wearing anything, since it was once hinted in LS1 that her clothes are just an illusion.

    That's pretty hot not gonna lie.

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭
    edited March 21, 2020

    Any sign of E in the new content?

    I have not seen any myself.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:
    Any sign of E in the new content?

    I have not seen any myself.

    No.

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