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(suggestion) race crossbreed.

Well sounds fishy right?

I thought some people want new races but some including me thinks that having a new race like quaggans would be slot of work for instance new intro story, new voices, new gear looks and more.
But then I thought why not have crossbreed races like human/char, Char/Asura, Human/Asura... Think like a character looking more like an Asura but with fur and horns and a tail for example. I thought that even that way there can be crossbreed classes with Human/Tengu or Asura/Quaggan.
By having crossbreed classes they could use the existing voices, body models, and main race storyline.... Many.

Just a thought.

Comments

  • EdgarMTanaka.7291EdgarMTanaka.7291 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2019

    @Sir Alymer.3406 said:
    It's already been said that, in lore, crossbreeds aren't possible.

    I do remember it being said, was looking for it and didn't find it so I winged it. I took a shot 😋 Anyway, maby they wanna make a little alteration in the Lore 🤔

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdgarMTanaka.7291 said:

    @Sir Alymer.3406 said:
    It's already been said that, in lore, crossbreeds aren't possible.

    I do remember it being said, was looking for it and didn't find it so I winged it. I took a shot 😋 Anyway, maby they wanna make a little alteration in the Lore 🤔

    Well asura experiments can do unexpected things.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i would like new races but this is just half a new race.

    so: no

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:
    i would like new races but this is just half a new race.

    so: no

    Not even that since its half of existing races.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Cross breeds aren't a thing in gw2.
    Humans and Norn can't even need despite being the exact same race with some minor size difference

    To defeat the dragons, see the good in them.
    Zhaitan reunites lost ones, primordus creates fertile land, mordremoth spreads the green, and jormag..
    ..jormag? Who's that?

  • @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    Cross breeds aren't a thing in gw2.
    Humans and Norn can't even need despite being the exact same race with some minor size difference

    and in game talk from NPC's in GW1

  • @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    Cross breeds aren't a thing in gw2.
    Humans and Norn can't even need despite being the exact same race with some minor size difference

    Lore-wise they are not the same race - they are even from different worlds. Humans are literally aliens in Tyria - they were brought here from another place in the Mists, basically a different planet/dimension.

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2019

    @Tanner Blackfeather.6509 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    Cross breeds aren't a thing in gw2.
    Humans and Norn can't even need despite being the exact same race with some minor size difference

    Lore-wise they are not the same race - they are even from different worlds. Humans are literally aliens in Tyria - they were brought here from another place in the Mists, basically a different planet/dimension.

    Like in real life humans are an invasive species lol
    Someone with way more experience in GW than me thinks the next story will be oceanic. I am hoping for some amphibious race. I do love Quaggans i think they are so cute, but i doubt they will be a playable race.

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    Let's say ANet threw away the lore reasons why cross-breeding doesn't exist and allowed norn-human or human-norn. Let's say they took the OP's idea and just re-used the norn (or human) voices, story, and base armor. What would be the point of such an addition to the game? It wouldn't satisfy the interests of those who want to play a new race, because it misses all the fundamental excitement of a new breed. It would still require a ton of prep work on ANet's part, as well as additional future maintenance (just not as much as a new breed).

    What would be the point though? Human/norn is basically intermediate humans. I think another beast race but amphibious in nature would be cool. Some people want real elves, but we have the plant people and they are elfin enough imo. Why add a cross race when you can add a whole new looking race. Cross races are still the same basic thing we already have, i find that boring. So i agree i dont think crossbreeds should be it.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tanner Blackfeather.6509 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    Cross breeds aren't a thing in gw2.
    Humans and Norn can't even need despite being the exact same race with some minor size difference

    Lore-wise they are not the same race - they are even from different worlds. Humans are literally aliens in Tyria - they were brought here from another place in the Mists, basically a different planet/dimension.

    I know, and that infuriates me.
    If they're nor a human subrace, why do they look exact.
    There are giants in Nordic folklore, why didn't they look more like that.
    Or if the kodan design was at their basis.

    It just annoys me to no end that they just made humans bigger and then proceeded they got no connection even through ancient history

    To defeat the dragons, see the good in them.
    Zhaitan reunites lost ones, primordus creates fertile land, mordremoth spreads the green, and jormag..
    ..jormag? Who's that?

  • Tanner Blackfeather.6509Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2019

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    @Tanner Blackfeather.6509 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    Cross breeds aren't a thing in gw2.
    Humans and Norn can't even need despite being the exact same race with some minor size difference

    Lore-wise they are not the same race - they are even from different worlds. Humans are literally aliens in Tyria - they were brought here from another place in the Mists, basically a different planet/dimension.

    I know, and that infuriates me.
    If they're nor a human subrace, why do they look exact.
    There are giants in Nordic folklore, why didn't they look more like that.
    Or if the kodan design was at their basis.

    It just annoys me to no end that they just made humans bigger and then proceeded they got no connection even through ancient history

    I chalk it down to Convergent Evolution
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution)

  • Let's not waste the devs time with something like this please. I would much rather have deeper engaging gameplay (or even an entirely new race brought in) than having an abomination of an asura and charr. Let's move on, shall we?

  • Kal Spiro.9745Kal Spiro.9745 Member ✭✭✭

    Totally came into this thread thinking it had to do with merging mount abilities

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  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭

    oh whyyy why oh why.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dami.5046 said:
    oh whyyy why oh why.

    desperation is my guess

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  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2019

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    There are giants in Nordic folklore, why didn't they look more like that.
    Or if the kodan design was at their basis.

    It just annoys me to no end that they just made humans bigger and then proceeded they got no connection even through ancient history

    Because they're not giants. The Jotun are giants (hence, the name). The Norn are werewolves; werebears, specifically. Many Norn and some Kodan believe the two races have a common ancestry, but - to put it bluntly - neither cares about it enough to investigate. Where they came from isn't as important to them as where they are and where they're going.

    As to why they're "just big Humans": In the original Guild Wars engine, it was easier, cheaper, and quicker to create (and tell a story with) a race of Norsemen that were "big Humans" (models already designed to be more expressive and dynamic for cutscenes) than to model and animate a new humanoid creature. The Norn would mostly be in Bear form (a big, furry Warden), outside of story-time, so it wasn't that big a deal. It's the same reason the Dwarves and Asura were/are "just small Humans" (except for the famous "Asura snarl" which isn't in GW2 either, for some reason), and why the Charr characters look so stiff and awkward in scenes. Instead, they (wisely) focused their resources on giving us more interesting varieties of enemy to fight: 8-9 different types of Destroyers (not including the Great Destroyer), at least 5 different flavors of Dinosaurs, two new ape-like creatures, several different types of golem/machine enemies, etc, etc... nearly all of which required entirely new and unique models and animations. (Compare it to "conventional" MMO development: palate-swapping existing enemies and maybe slapping on a new ability). AND, all of this needed to develop and ship in less than a year. It's actually quite impressive how much they squeezed into and out of the Eye of the North expansion.

    That being said, some effort was put in GW2 to address the similarity. In early GW2 development, the Norn had much more ursine (humorously armadillo-like) proportions. People complained that they were too unnatural or silly-looking, and not enough like the GW1 Norn. (...which is still true, because the beast-form transformation is their primary characteristic, and racial Elite skills don't feel "primary" enough. But that's a whole other topic...) Naturally, the more ridiculous proportions were shifted to look more natural and balanced, in turn making them more Humanlike in appearance.

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭

    I believe morn and Koran are the same, just the norn lost their ability to stay in animal form permanently.

    -Balwarc [ICoa]

  • What about https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Prenuptial_Disagreement_(male)?
    "It is Norn custom that only equals may marry. I didn't think it possible, but through all your feats and heroics you've proven yourself worthy of my hand, despite your lowly human nature. Come, let us plan our wedding night. Hold my hand, dearest. My cold, leathery, imposing hand. Yes, the mountain winds take their toll on dry skin. I could use some lotion. Be a peach and rub some into my skin. And while you are at it, grab that cheese grater and get to work on my bunions. My feet are killing me...."

    If you married her. . .uh. . .wouldn't you end up making a half norn?

    In the female version, the NPC says:
    "It is Norn custom that marriage can only happen between those of equal reputation. All your hard work has paid off! Now we can be wed, raise a dozen half-Norn children, and live in the mountains. I have a strong cottage in the hills. Actually, it isn't much of a cottage...more of a cave. But it is a good cave! A good cave in dire need of cleaning. You're not afraid of spiders, are you? Dire spiders?"

    I mean. . .was this just something that he decided "lets give it a go! See what happens! Pretty sure it'll work!"

  • Elspereth.1280Elspereth.1280 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aplethoraof.2643 said:
    What about https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Prenuptial_Disagreement_(male)?
    "It is Norn custom that only equals may marry. I didn't think it possible, but through all your feats and heroics you've proven yourself worthy of my hand, despite your lowly human nature. Come, let us plan our wedding night. Hold my hand, dearest. My cold, leathery, imposing hand. Yes, the mountain winds take their toll on dry skin. I could use some lotion. Be a peach and rub some into my skin. And while you are at it, grab that cheese grater and get to work on my bunions. My feet are killing me...."

    If you married her. . .uh. . .wouldn't you end up making a half norn?

    In the female version, the NPC says:
    "It is Norn custom that marriage can only happen between those of equal reputation. All your hard work has paid off! Now we can be wed, raise a dozen half-Norn children, and live in the mountains. I have a strong cottage in the hills. Actually, it isn't much of a cottage...more of a cave. But it is a good cave! A good cave in dire need of cleaning. You're not afraid of spiders, are you? Dire spiders?"

    I mean. . .was this just something that he decided "lets give it a go! See what happens! Pretty sure it'll work!"

    A similar but different game :)

  • Only in mechanics (and not similar in the slightest there). We are discussing lore!

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2019

    @Aplethoraof.2643 said:
    What about https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Prenuptial_Disagreement_(male)?
    "It is Norn custom that only equals may marry. I didn't think it possible, but through all your feats and heroics you've proven yourself worthy of my hand, despite your lowly human nature. Come, let us plan our wedding night. Hold my hand, dearest. My cold, leathery, imposing hand. Yes, the mountain winds take their toll on dry skin. I could use some lotion. Be a peach and rub some into my skin. And while you are at it, grab that cheese grater and get to work on my bunions. My feet are killing me...."

    If you married her. . .uh. . .wouldn't you end up making a half norn?

    In the female version, the NPC says:
    "It is Norn custom that marriage can only happen between those of equal reputation. All your hard work has paid off! Now we can be wed, raise a dozen half-Norn children, and live in the mountains. I have a strong cottage in the hills. Actually, it isn't much of a cottage...more of a cave. But it is a good cave! A good cave in dire need of cleaning. You're not afraid of spiders, are you? Dire spiders?"

    I mean. . .was this just something that he decided "lets give it a go! See what happens! Pretty sure it'll work!"

    A marriage doesn’t mean there will be children and the Norns might be unaware that half Norn children were not possible.

    Be careful what you ask for
    ANet might give it to you.

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  • See, and if anet had let the PC in GW1 actually go through with the marriage, we'd know for sure by now. I blame anet 100% for this :disappointed:

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2019

    @EdgarMTanaka.7291 said:
    Well sounds fishy right?

    Rather disgusting for physiological reasons regarding the intercourse... :s

    @Sir Alymer.3406 said:
    It's already been said that, in lore, crossbreeds aren't possible.

    For good reason! If they were about the same size (humans and norn) and none of the races were biologically beastly (charr, asura) or plants (sylvari), this would be an interesting option. But the way things are, nuh-uh.


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  • Yargesh.4965Yargesh.4965 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aplethoraof.2643 said:
    See, and if anet had let the PC in GW1 actually go through with the marriage, we'd know for sure by now. I blame anet 100% for this :disappointed:

    Or they would produce at best the equivalent of a mule/hinny and would not be a trace left of them anyway.

  • @lokh.2695 said:

    @EdgarMTanaka.7291 said:

    @Sir Alymer.3406 said:
    It's already been said that, in lore, crossbreeds aren't possible.

    I do remember it being said, was looking for it and didn't find it so I winged it. I took a shot 😋 Anyway, maby they wanna make a little alteration in the Lore 🤔

    A: "I want X"
    B: "But X can't happen according to the rules of the world"
    A: "But I want X really bad"
    C: "X is not on the table"
    A: "Hmm.....still. Giv X plox!!!!! X when!?!?!?!?!?!?"

    These threads are so tiring....

    @derd.6413 said:

    @Dami.5046 said:
    oh whyyy why oh why.

    desperation is my guess

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @EdgarMTanaka.7291 said:
    Well sounds fishy right?

    Rather disgusting for physiological reasons regarding the intercourse... :s

    @Sir Alymer.3406 said:
    It's already been said that, in lore, crossbreeds aren't possible.

    For good reason! If they were about the same size (humans and norn) and none of the races were biologically beastly (charr, asura) or plants (sylvari), this would be an interesting option. But the way things are, nuh-uh.

    Sorry to bump this thread, it's just that I haven't had the time to answer and now I do.

    First, no it wasn't desperation. I don't really care for a new race, I think it's cool as it is. I just got an idea, a thought and I wanted to share it. I am so sorry that I took a few minutes or even less of your time.

    Second, actually even how creepy it does sound to us, some actually do have a thing for the other races.

    I am happy for the replies I got.

  • A aurua and a charr....

  • @Hoover.6394 said:
    A aurua and a charr....

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2019

    How about chars who have mixed race parents? You know, a Norn/Asuran/Slyvari/Charr character. Because if mixed races can happen then those offspring can intermarry to make even more interesting combinations.

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  • Endless Soul.5178Endless Soul.5178 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Meanwhile in the Salma role play district, there are several players with characters that are scientifically/magically spliced with animals, and I know of even one character that is half asura, half charr.

    People are weird. ~shrugs~

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  • asura with charr fur and tail :)

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    How about chars who have mixed race parents? You know, a Norn/Asuran/Slyvari/Charr character. Because if mixed races can happen then those offspring can intermarry to make even more interesting combinations.

    I'm one-sixteenth charr, on my mother's side.

  • @nanomidgy.9180 said:
    asura with charr fur and tail :)

    Ausua mother give birth to a Charr baby would be deadly....

  • Weindrasi.3805Weindrasi.3805 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2019

    That would be even more confusing and difficult than just making a totally new race. If you have a half charr/half human, you can also have a quarter charr 3 quarter human .... or a charr/human/asura..... or a charr/asura/norn/human..... trying to design all the different variations of cross breeding between creatures of drastically different sizes and body types would be insane. By that point we may as well just play flesh blobs with a horn here, an ear there, maybe leaves for hands.... that or weird kitten like a fuzzy catgirl with big breasts.... or an asura with big breasts.... or a Norn with an asura head to body size....

  • @Hoover.6394 said:

    @nanomidgy.9180 said:
    asura with charr fur and tail :)

    Ausua mother give birth to a Charr baby would be deadly....

    If she survived the mating process....

  • @Weindrasi.3805 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @nanomidgy.9180 said:
    asura with charr fur and tail :)

    Ausua mother give birth to a Charr baby would be deadly....

    If she survived the mating process....

    lol, that's my point, no one seems getting it

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i think we should not take lore in GW2 like rules, more like guidelines since they constantly change.

    i would like a norn asura cross breed tho, then i can finally make a dwarf without the stone excuse.

  • Weindrasi.3805Weindrasi.3805 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019

    @Magnus Godrik.5841 said:

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:
    That would be even more confusing and difficult than just making a totally new race. If you have a half charr/half human, you can also have a quarter charr 3 quarter human .... or a charr/human/asura..... or a charr/asura/norn/human..... trying to design all the different variations of cross breeding between creatures of drastically different sizes and body types would be insane. By that point we may as well just play flesh blobs with a horn here, an ear there, maybe leaves for hands.... that or weird kitten like a fuzzy catgirl with big breasts.... or an asura with big breasts.... or a Norn with an asura head to body size....

    I would be happy with a breast slider. And while they're at it add a butt slider as well.

    Dude, RIGHT? I'd size down my norn's outrageous chest--it kind of clashes with the 'fierce viking' vibe IMO.
    Sliders>Premade body types

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    i think we should not take lore in GW2 like rules, more like guidelines since they constantly change.

    i would like a norn asura cross breed tho, then i can finally make a dwarf without the stone excuse.

    Just as long as you get a dwarf, and not a norn with a bobblehead x)

  • Leo G.4501Leo G.4501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @nanomidgy.9180 said:
    asura with charr fur and tail :)

    Ausua mother give birth to a Charr baby would be deadly....

    If she survived the mating process....

    lol, that's my point, no one seems getting it

    Then go the other way around.

  • @Leo G.4501 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @Weindrasi.3805 said:

    @Hoover.6394 said:

    @nanomidgy.9180 said:
    asura with charr fur and tail :)

    Ausua mother give birth to a Charr baby would be deadly....

    If she survived the mating process....

    lol, that's my point, no one seems getting it

    Then go the other way around.

    that's not a Big problem...
    "size doen't mean anything" - Teemo

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