ArenaNet, please reconsider your stance on matchup threads, they're a fun way for WvW players to engage with each other on the forums.

Its fine if someone gets called a name here and there. We're adults and we can handle it.

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as impersonal as a video game.

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:We're adults and we can handle it.They had an entire forum for it once. People wherent adults and they couldnt handle it.

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:We're adults and we can handle it.They had an entire forum for it once. People wherent adults and they couldnt handle it.

Adult people still behave worse than children and cant handle it.

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:We're adults and we can handle it.They had an entire forum for it once. People wherent adults and they couldnt handle it.

Well, so what if those people can't handle it? Put a disclaimer on the matchup forum warning sensitive people their feelings are at risk if they enter.

Never has it been justifiable to not have something that would benefit everyone, just because a minority will misuse it. I mean they allow DPS meters in the game.

You forget that we live in a SJW Triggered world now. You can't trigger them or they will get offended and demand retribution and justice. Gone are the days where men could be men, now you must assimilate into the PC world where men are now persons of neutral gender.

How hard is it to just not click into a match up thread?

HAHAHAHA!!! You can't use the acronym for Social Justice Warrior or it gets changed to Kitten. Too funny!!!

While it was Megaserver tech that started the decline in server pride and links that consolidated it, banning match up threads was also a contributory factor. Competition can't function in a void. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll get match up threads back in the form they used to exist, although it would be nice.

What's probably more important, and potentially possible, would be an improvement in moderation where so-called "match up" threads are concerned. Many, many threads on these forums get shut down under that rubric, when they are something else entirely. Given the chaos, controversy and often arcane mechanics that underpin much of WvW, including but not limited to the way servers are deemed "Full" or otherwise, how links are calculated and allocated and which servers have coverage at what times, it's often not just appropriate but necessary to raise these issues and discuss them.

It's exceptionally difficult to have such discussions without naming specific servers and on these forums, naming a server is tantamount to invoking "moderation". It should be uncontroversial to contend that Guest Server A is a poor match with Host Server B for reasons x, y and z. It should be possible to suggest that a particular match is not progressing in a balanced manner because Servers C and D only have coverage in one time zone between them while Server E has coverage around the clock. Threads of that nature should be locked if and only if they degenerate into name-calling. Moderators should be capable of differentiating between discussion about the structure and mechanics of matchmaking and genuine "Match Up" threads.

That said, I don't expect anything to change. As can easily be seen by a simple glance at the numbers of posts and views, only a vanishingly small percentage of the entire GW2 playerbase visits these forums nowadays. It's not just WvW. The Official Feedback thread on the latest Living Story episode, for example, has garnered a miniscule 263 comments as I write this. We don't know how many PVE players GW2 has these days but I think it's safe to assume it's many tens of thousands at the bare minimum. That's hardly a resounding response to a direct request for feedback, is it?

Official forums as a means of communication between developers and players are all but dead and not just in this game.

I do miss match-up threads. They were fun, and sometimes good stuff came out of them. You cannot blame ANet for getting rid of them. We live in a litigious society, and ANet isn't going to keep a forum that could see them liable for lawsuits over cyberbullying.

I would like having matchup threads again and people should be cool with just not bothering with them if they don't want to, but then going by team chat most nights, matchup threads would probably live a short second life unless they're quick to moderate.

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:matchup threads, they're a fun way for WvW players to engage with each other on the forums.Actually, they weren't "fun." There were rarely any constructive comments made, so it's was almost only trash talk. Trash talk can be incredibly fun, but in these threads it was just people repeating the same memes, with only a rare spark of creativity. One of the "better" exchanges from that era was something like, "your server is kitten" followed by "no, it's your server that's kitten."

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:We're adults and we can handle it.They had an entire forum for it once. People wherent adults and they couldnt handle it.

But besides that, only a tiny fraction of forum posters participate in match-up threads. They leave no room for discourse, and any form of creative trash talk was lost. What was left was people hurling insults at each.

I mean they allow DPS meters in the game.Because there's an upside to DPS meters for the vast majority (that play challenging group content) that makes any potential downsides worth dealing with.That isn't true for match up threads: the benefits go to the tiny minority that participate; there's no benefit at all for anyone else.

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66540/wvw-forum

No/8 quaggans

Yes bring them back stop treating your customers like fragilebois we can take an insult it's fun to trash talk.

triggered

Dodging Moderators while insulting other people on old Matchup Threads was the true endgame.

@"ProverbsofHell.2307" said:ArenaNet, please reconsider your stance on matchup threads, they're a fun way for WvW players to engage with each other on the forums.

Its fine if someone gets called a name here and there. We're adults and we can handle it.

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as impersonal as a video game.

Arenanet said "no".

@"Gaile Gray.6029"

"Thread about Worlds: While we appreciate “world pride,” quite a few threads about game worlds become unnecessarily contentious and negative, and we need to close those. Sometimes the mods use the term “matchup thread” when taking action. Yet you should know it’s not the matchup that’s the problem, it’s the unpleasant comments or tone. I’ll work with the moderators to help them make closures, warnings, and infractions clearer."

@Swagger.1459 said:

@"ProverbsofHell.2307" said:ArenaNet, please reconsider your stance on matchup threads, they're a fun way for WvW players to engage with each other on the forums.

Its fine if someone gets called a name here and there. We're adults and we can handle it.

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as impersonal as a video game.

And that's part of the fun. I visit /r/nba /r/mlb or /r/nfl etc to entertainment myself with the highlights, the drama, the memes, the trashtalks, and the occassional deep insights.

I wouldn't want them to turn into thousands of comments and threads of only: "Let's hold hands and praise all what a great game!! Good on you for trying!! Better luck next time!!! Dont feel too bad for losing!! You deserve the win!! Let's all hug and kiss!!!" zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

@"ProverbsofHell.2307" said:

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as impersonal as a video game.

You will be surprised how many people do get personal in a video game.

@SkyShroud.2865 said:

@"ProverbsofHell.2307" said:

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as

impersonal

as a video game.

To be fair how can they get personal with you? Unless you willingly disclosed personal details to them.

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

@SkyShroud.2865 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as

impersonal

as a video game.

"Personal attacks" need not contain any personal data.

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic"It is not, however, a basic gaming skill for PvE. ANet isn't trying to make money by teaching people how to thrive in the world by developing thicker skins. They are in the entertainment business. It is in their financial interest to make sure that the game feels as safe and welcoming to the majority, as is practical for the company to manage.

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

@SkyShroud.2865 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as

impersonal

as a video game.

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic"It is not, however, a basic gaming skill for PvE. ANet isn't trying to make money by teaching people how to thrive in the world by developing thicker skins. They are in the entertainment business. It is in their financial interest to make sure that the game feels as safe and welcoming to the majority, as is practical for the company to manage.

To be fair, if it's a "personal attack" then it stands to reason they probably know more than they should. If it's truly personal, then imo you probably said something you shouldn't have said.

Anyway, I think the game is plenty safe and welcoming. But if you enter any competitive mode in a game, you should be prepared to use that basic life skill in order to cope if someone insults you.

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:ANet isn't trying to make money by teaching people how to thrive in the world by developing thicker skins. They are in the entertainment business. It is in their financial interest to make sure that the game feels as safe and welcoming to the majority, as is practical for the company to manage.Plus they also dont stop people from doing it within their own communities. People csn still have their matchup threads... elsewhere.

Its like, everybody loves wrestling. And people go to supermarkets to do their shopping. But do we really need wrestling inside the supermarket?

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:ANet isn't trying to make money by teaching people how to thrive in the world by developing thicker skins. They are in the entertainment business. It is in their financial interest to make sure that the game feels as safe and welcoming to the majority, as is practical for the company to manage.Plus they also dont stop people from doing it within their own communities. People csn still have their matchup threads... elsewhere.

Here's why your example is wrong:

Wrestling = WvWSupermarket = GW2 forumWrestling inside the supermarket = Talking about WvW matches in GW2 forum

One side of those things is entirely unrelated (wrestling + supermarkets), and the other side of things is all related to the same thing (GW2). Maybe if it was like a WWE-controlled supermarket. But if you went to WWEMart, I think it's reasonable to see some wrestling related activities going on.

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

@SkyShroud.2865 said:

@ProverbsofHell.2307 said:

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic" to you, especially when over something as

impersonal

as a video game.

Its a basic life skill to be able to cope when someone is "toxic"It is not, however, a basic gaming skill for PvE. ANet isn't trying to make money by teaching people how to thrive in the world by developing thicker skins. They are in the entertainment business. It is in their financial interest to make sure that the game feels as safe and welcoming to the majority, as is practical for the company to manage.

One of the life skill in real life is if people keep harassing you, you get them arrested.

This is the internet, people tend to be more wild than in reality and that can blow many things out of proportion. Then, considering that social media is a thing now and people ingame tend to share who they are with people around them so it is not unimaginable to grab any social information related to the person and go even more wild on it.

Reality is, people are not as adult as they think they are. Not to forget, gw2 is rated "Teen" so by age, not everyone is a adult or even working adult.