Mesmer and the baby dingus

Perhaps the community is trying to tell you something Anet.Ignore?Fine....

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67509/we-nerfed-mirages-in-the-recent-patch#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67574/countless-pvp-mesmer-suggestions#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67839/anet-the-mirage-cloak-mechanic-should-be-against-your-combat-philosophy#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66881/how-do-people-decide-that-mirage-is-op-its-not-op-a-defense-of-the-cyber-bullied-class#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67829/the-problem-with-condi-mirage-is-not-any-one-thing-its-all-the-things#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/57248/condi-mirage-feedback-merged#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67729/stop-mesmer-never-ending-nerfs-rework-save-mesmer#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67745/thoughts-on-power-mirage-vs-condi-mirage#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67258/any-tips-versus-mirage#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67324/condi-mirage-has-an-unfair-advantage-over-renegade#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67238/17k-power-damage-from-confusing-images#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67204/mirage#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66848/day-2-mirage-power-skill-dont-need-it#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67267/mesmer-is-still-freecasting-by-the-way#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66961/often-seeing-4-mirages-per-game#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67075/when-you-select-mesmer-on-character-creation#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/67068/mirage-reveal-removal#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66687/mesmer-just-got-passively-buffed-o-o#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66417/mirage-should-be-able-to-dodge-while-downed#latesthttps://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/65455/mesmer-utility-and-damage#latest

I haven’t looked at all of them but did you also post the mirage topics that got posted in the WvW and General Forum?

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:I haven’t looked at all of them but did you also post the mirage topics that got posted in the WvW and General Forum?

nope, quoted all these from pvpand first 2 pages

probs be more if i scroll down on second page and move on to other pages

Perhaps it isn't being ignored and there is a reason there is a merged topic? It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

More new threads doesn't make anything go faster.

12 stacks of confusion and 24 torments in a matter of seconds. NICE DODGE BAITS YOU GUYS HAVE. Sigh.

@Sigmoid.7082 said:It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

tbh it's easier to find things in 10 different threads than to try and read a 100 page megathread.

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:I haven’t looked at all of them but did you also post the mirage topics that got posted in the WvW and General Forum?

Oh Coni Mirage is 10x more busted marginally in comparison to other classes in wvw than it is in spvp.

• Food that grants +40% passive endurance regeneration
• Energy Sigils that still grant +50% endurance on swap
• Adventure Rune granting full +50% endurance on heal use
• Trailblazer stats
• PvE sigil options

Usually resulting in a sheer 60+ seconds of literally complete immunity to all forms of damage, due to this endless pit of endurance regen and mirage cloaks, along with clone ambush skill usage that is far too frequent even begin to consider is anywhere in the realm in the balance. You can't 1v1 this spec in wvw. Most people can't even kill it 3v1, and it isn't because they are bad, it's because the endless well of endurance & mirage cloaks and trailblazer stats, buys plenty of time to teleport around and disengage into a keep.

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

I wouldn't be so sure when almost all of those 10 threads don't offer constructive feedback and are people venting.

It also clogs up the forum and finding something interesting becomes difficult since a majority everything is non constructive feedback about why a class is OP.

@Sigmoid.7082 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

Ultimately, the knowledgable portion of the community has identified 3x problems:

• Infinite Horizon
• Illusionary Ambush
• Axes of Symmetry

Just ignore discussion that hovers outside of these 3 things.

I thought infinite horislzon was far better than un-nerfed illusive mind, and I don't even play mesmer/mirage

@BlackTruth.6813 said:12 stacks of confusion and 24 torments in a matter of seconds. NICE DODGE BAITS YOU GUYS HAVE. Sigh.

I think the most annoying thing is you clear them and are like 'phew that was close'. And 2 seconds later you have another 12 stacks of confusion and 6 stacks of torment.

Confusion - don't attackTorment - don't runCleanse - here you go. More confusion and torment.Damage - take this too

So what are we supposed to do? Stand still and take that damage. Dodge in between. This is trash spec design.

@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:I thought infinite horislzon was far better than un-nerfed illusive mind, and I don't even play mesmer/mirageVery situational. It's not a this-or-that question. The same was true before and after the nerf.Personally in most cases I also preferred IH.

Also thread is pointless, why open a thread about a lot of spammy threads anyway?

@Sigmoid.7082 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

sounds the same as a megathread...

having lots of mesmer threads is like thousands of people at a rally rather than 1 dude by himself trying to speak for thousands of others who aren't there.

Not very often does the PvP community come together and agree with each other but when they do, it's probably best to listen.

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

• Infinite Horizon
• Illusionary Ambush
• Axes of Symmetry

These are problems that would be solved by numbers, i'm not sure it's going to have that a big impact on the average gold player when we look at scourge or reaper for example.People still drop like flies to conditions. If they simply removed crippling/snare condition, this would have been much less annoying, without really nerfing scourge potential at all.

That's the same related to mesmer, i'm convinced keeping the build like it is, but removing the distorsion, will have it's impact without touching so much at mechanics/build.

after much suffering I joined the team, I thought it would be hard to catch up, but really, it's super easy to pay. I went from 50% winrate to 90% with condi mirage. You know you will all your duels against any other class aside from soulbeast and holos, sometimes core guardian, all the other match ups is like 95% chance against those classes is 50-60% as I still win more than I lose. Grabbing a new class should be hard at first, but mesmer is so broken that you just run on ppl. The only duels I lose is for more exp mesmers.

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@"DanAlcedo.3281" said:I haven’t looked at all of them but did you also post the mirage topics that got posted in the WvW and General Forum?

• Food that grants +40% passive endurance regeneration
• Energy Sigils that still grant +50% endurance on swap
• Adventure Rune granting full +50% endurance on heal use
• Trailblazer stats
• PvE sigil options

This isn't entirely true and certainly not 10x let alone 10x compared to other classes. All classes can (and do) run these sigils and food giving them more dodges too.

What is truly busted in WvW small scale are rangers.

You know how druids were extremely obnoxious with CA on 10s CD and ancient seeds on 10s CD? They're still like that in WvW so you can never kill a tanky one and it will lock you down eventually with the pet killing you.

Soulbeast actually got buffed, moa stance is still 25s CD and Dolyak stance is still 30s CD and saw the buffs PvP received too. It's at a point where if a soulbeast is using the above sigils, food and runes they can be in an evade frame almost as much as mesmer while enjoying -54% damage taken every 30s.

Also trailblazer stats? LUL that's like paper with the amount of damage going around atm or have you missed the people complaining about being hit for 7k+ on minstrels guardians that have 3.4k armour.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Moa_Stancehttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dolyak_Stance

I will agree condition mirage is stronger in WvW, I'll agree it's a strong 1v1 spec (loses value in fights of 3+) but it is by far not alone in how strong it is where soulbeasts, warriors and holosmiths actually dominate the roaming scene in T1-T2 EU with revs coming in with duos and above. Remember revs might stacking isn't nerfed, photon forge damage is significantly higher and likewise stance nerfs weren't brought to WvW.

@apharma.3741 said:Soulbeast actually got buffed, moa stance is still 25s CD and Dolyak stance is still 30s CD and saw the buffs PvP received too. It's at a point where if a soulbeast is using the above sigils, food and runes they can be in an evade frame almost as much as mesmer while enjoying -54% damage taken every 30s.

First of all you're ruining Trevor's narrative, what kind of a heartless man are you?

Secondly sb has a potential vigor uptime higher than chaosless mirage and on top of it has natural vigor trait.

Edit: scrap chaosless, even with chaos sb still has more vigor

Delete please

@Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

@apharma.3741 said:Soulbeast actually got buffed, moa stance is still 25s CD and Dolyak stance is still 30s CD and saw the buffs PvP received too. It's at a point where if a soulbeast is using the above sigils, food and runes they can be in an evade frame almost as much as mesmer while enjoying -54% damage taken every 30s.

The worst part is I already had to post this in response to him once before. I will keep posting this till we see PvP balance brought entirely to WvW or it changes significantly enough to not be true.

Mirage has been busted even before the rework they gotten.

The fact they can shit out so much confusion and torment is what makes them really aid to fight against. You Can have Posion, Confusion, Burning and torment on you every 10-15 seconds. It Doesn't Matter how Fast You cleanse them before they start to really stack up on you eventually they are going to beat you into losing the node or die for trying to hold it. WAY to much condi pressure within a SHORT period is what makes it annoying to deal with this class.

On the right side of hands this class can shit on almost any other class..... however on the hands of an idiot that's just spamming everything without really paying attention it wont be as bad to deal with but at this point it doesn't really matter. No condi class should be able to have this much pressure . Look at how bad scourge was when they had the same issue as mirage with the amount of condi pressure they can spit out. Why Not just do the same exact thing to mirage?

They been ignore for way to long in terms of actually resolving the issue with their condi dps out put, and the nerf to portal was 100% the worse thing they could of done for the game imo. Not only did it kill team play strategies but it openly gave mirage an entire new slot to be stronger overall for fights. I would happily love to see portal back and some traits reworked a bit on Core mesmer such as Chaos and Illusion.

@"zoopop.5630" said:

They been ignore for way to long in terms of actually resolving the issue with their condi dps out put, and the nerf to portal was 100% the worse thing they could of done for the game imo. Not only did it kill team play strategies but it openly gave mirage an entire new slot to be stronger overall for fights. I would happily love to see portal back and some traits reworked a bit on Core mesmer such as Chaos and Illusion.

They've been ignored in terms of condi dps output because clueless people derailed the attention to some other aspects that were not the cause of the "opness" while mesmers being saying for ages that the problem is that condi output you speak about.And you already aknowledged that with the portal nerf example that was one of the latest (pre-nerf patch) demands of those clueless people.

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

• Infinite Horizon
• Illusionary Ambush
• Axes of Symmetry

And this is why things never get fixed properly. The knowledgeable side of the community also thought torch was a problem. Then vigor. Then blurred frenzy. Oh and. 2s stability on shatters.Still hasnt fixed the issue of condi mirage having the ability to frequently condi burst someone to oblivion has it?

Maybe this knowledgeable community isn't so knowledgeable.

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@DanAlcedo.3281 said:I haven’t looked at all of them but did you also post the mirage topics that got posted in the WvW and General Forum?

• Food that grants +40% passive endurance regeneration
• Energy Sigils that still grant +50% endurance on swap
• Adventure Rune granting full +50% endurance on heal use
• Trailblazer stats
• PvE sigil options

Its not wvw subforum .Can you provide a proof mirage trolling 1 minute entire zerg and being invulnerable to everything ? I seen thief videos trolling zergs for 5 minutes but I'm sure you can handle that 1 minute ,can we expect a proof from you ? If not then do a favor to everyone , stop lying/spread misinformation ,thanks (also immunity to all forms of damage provide true invulnerability ,not evades ,just in case if you never knew)

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@Sigmoid.7082 said:It's hard to read feedback is scattered in the 10+ threads that pop up daily.

• Infinite Horizon
• Illusionary Ambush
• Axes of Symmetry

Honestly I'd like if they just removed Torment from Mesmer.