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  • alcopaul.2156alcopaul.2156 Member ✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:

    @alcopaul.2156 said:
    this is too much hardcore as you see but you could've done these things that i told if you were like playing together for 10 years++.

    You don't need 10 years.
    I know pvp mmorpg have guilds that do meet up like 6 months or yearly. Personally, I have had run pvp mmorg guilds and did that.
    For pve oriented mmorpg like gw2, is hard to find that camaraderie to meet up.

    well i put a time allowance for the people who value their trust like a 1.5 billion dollar deposit in their bank. :P

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  • @Kaltyn of Torbins Deep.2946 said:
    I'm trying to fathom what you're stockpiling in your guild bank that would make it worthwhile for the time and effort to steal? Seriously the only stuff that goes in my guild's bank is stuff that is there for everyone to take and use. Set the rules for taking stuff from the bank and boot the people that violate them. And don't stick gold in there, that's just asking for theft.

    All the guilds I joined are like this. There is nothing valuable in the guild bank, just low level food to help newbies level, some cheap minis and cheap dyes.

    The community may be nice, the people you met might seem decent, but in the end, it's the internet and it's not a place to put your trust in people.

  • @Girbilcannon.8259 said:
    They need a system where you can regulate how many items or how much gold can be removed at one time.

    I don't see whats wrong with this. seems reasonable.

  • XYLO.7031XYLO.7031 Member ✭✭✭

    @Girbilcannon.8259 said:
    Hello everybody, Just yesterday my guild bank was raided by an officer right before he ditched the guild and blocked everybody in game and on discord. Keep in mind that this was not just a normal member or even a new officer...he has been an officer for at least 6 months or so and waited until we had a good amount gold and valuable items before taking action. We reached directly out to Anet for answers, and they were kind enough to hit us with the good old "We don't get involved with guild politics" speech. Though it is not what we wanted to hear, we have an amazing player base that helped us get back on track in less than 6 hours. That is nice and all, but the thought is still on my mind...what about the person who did the crime? Will he do it to another guild? Why does Anet not take action against players who can pull of a slick crime like this?

    What do you all think about this kind of situation and the GMs pretty much saying "You're on your own"?
    Do you feel like Anet should step up and take actions against these thieves if presented with a clear case and plenty of evidence to go with it?

    This is really unfortunate. I think it IS theft and that it should be dealt with at some level by an authority figure.

    I can also see the difficulty in handling a much larger guild. I have no need to or desire to ever run a guild larger than 50 people let alone 500 or a multi-slot guild.

    My best experience is being an admin for a small guild of 22 people. With only 22 people, we gathered enough funding, mats, and manpower to fully upgrade a guild hall, experience all of core Tyria together, and other things here and there, and learn to trust one another. It's been 5 years and to this day our guild bank policy still stands: if you take something you have to give something. Sometimes it fills up and our guild leaders tell the most active people to just take things if you need it. Then the rest of us say, "no no no, someone else might need it" and no one takes anything because of that attitude. We were fortunate we all held the same value system: giving is better than receiving.

    How do you prevent such a thing? I think a interview for your future admins is necessary; I also agree with the other poster who mentioned asking around about people. An interview is them tooting their own horn. Find out about that person through other means. What values do they hold?

    But this one was trusted and sat for 6 months as admin only to steal? That's as selfish and wicked as they come. To be totally honest, that's just LAZY. This game has SO MANY OPTIONS to make gold if that was that person's issue. If they do it to sell gold for real cash? kitten that's also really terrible. Because then you have to blame an entire industry of gold and item sellers (the buyers too are to blame).

    I really can't imagine both leading a large, multi slot guild nor just being an admin. The risk multiplies with the size. Do you really know every single member?
    When it comes down to it, it's not your fault and I totally hold the thief responsible.
    Stealing is wrong no matter what the situation.
    The upside is that you have a community of people who are willing to stick around and recover regardless.

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If this were a company these actions would be called embezzlement.

    I heard about this as the guild leader for the guild I am an officer in saw a warning about the person. It's not the first time I heard of people doing this. And the people who do this always give the same excuse of "well I had the ability to take it" as if that somehow means it was perfectly okay for them to do so.

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  • avey.4201avey.4201 Member ✭✭

    Some people are officers for 4 years and get to co-lead from the owners lack realizing, then they demote the guild owner and have fancy new guild to themselves, I can understand the bank issue, but taking an entire guild is an issue when it is maxed, the decorations are maxed, 10's of thousands of gold gone.

  • Having run a guild for six years I adjusted how my guild bank works. The stash is MY vault where I put the most valuable stuff and gold. The other vaults are used for anything I don’t mind being leeched.

    If people have access to them then I fully permit them to take what they want.

    The top vault, Stash, contains things used for contests and/or for people that want something “shiny”. If a member simply asks then I’m happy to give ONE per!

    I have only one other member in my guild that accesses the stash and I’ve known this person for a few years now.

    Adopt this format and your thieving issues are gone.

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • @Imber.4902 said:
    I once helped someone get a guild up and running. Claimed the guild hall and was then asked if I wanted in - sure. Deposited a lot of mats to upgrade. A few weeks in, was asked to help deposit some more mats for a larger upgrade while waiting for aetherium or whatever. I did, everyone was happy. Next day, the guild was gone. Well, I suppose it's still there and most likely have a guild membership count of one.

    I was kinda stumped at the time, but eh. I was to blame for not thinking ahead. I consider that more of a theft than what you descibe in the OP. It's not raided if there was permission. Hopefully, more people will remember this now that it's been brought to light and perhaps add some more restrictions to it's members.

    agreed...

    I helped a guild in the same way. As a fully upgraded scribe I started pumping mats into the hall and helping upgrade it. I put a LOT into it and was happy to help.

    Suddenly I was demoted and couldn’t even do scribe stuff. I was told it was because I didn’t rep the guild all the time... which was never noted as any requirement. I just quietly left and made a reminder to myself to help people I know.... period.

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • @Girbilcannon.8259 said:
    Hello everybody, Just yesterday my guild bank was raided by an officer right before he ditched the guild and blocked everybody in game and on discord. Keep in mind that this was not just a normal member or even a new officer...he has been an officer for at least 6 months or so and waited until we had a good amount gold and valuable items before taking action. We reached directly out to Anet for answers, and they were kind enough to hit us with the good old "We don't get involved with guild politics" speech. Though it is not what we wanted to hear, we have an amazing player base that helped us get back on track in less than 6 hours. That is nice and all, but the thought is still on my mind...what about the person who did the crime? Will he do it to another guild? Why does Anet not take action against players who can pull of a slick crime like this?

    What do you all think about this kind of situation and the GMs pretty much saying "You're on your own"?
    Do you feel like Anet should step up and take actions against these thieves if presented with a clear case and plenty of evidence to go with it?

    It is bs but unfortunately your screwed. Sorry for your luck.

  • @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    Having run a guild for six years I adjusted how my guild bank works. The stash is MY vault where I put the most valuable stuff and gold. The other vaults are used for anything I don’t mind being leeched.

    If people have access to them then I fully permit them to take what they want.

    The top vault, Stash, contains things used for contests and/or for people that want something “shiny”. If a member simply asks then I’m happy to give ONE per!

    I have only one other member in my guild that accesses the stash and I’ve known this person for a few years now.

    Adopt this format and your thieving issues are gone.

    So how does that work? everyone in the guild contributes so you can have "your" vault all to yourself? Seems like entitlement.

  • @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    Having run a guild for six years I adjusted how my guild bank works. The stash is MY vault where I put the most valuable stuff and gold. The other vaults are used for anything I don’t mind being leeched.

    If people have access to them then I fully permit them to take what they want.

    The top vault, Stash, contains things used for contests and/or for people that want something “shiny”. If a member simply asks then I’m happy to give ONE per!

    I have only one other member in my guild that accesses the stash and I’ve known this person for a few years now.

    Adopt this format and your thieving issues are gone.

    So how does that work? everyone in the guild contributes so you can have "your" vault all to yourself? Seems like entitlement.

    Nothing in my vault is put there by anyone but me. The other vaults are shared.

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    Having run a guild for six years I adjusted how my guild bank works. The stash is MY vault where I put the most valuable stuff and gold. The other vaults are used for anything I don’t mind being leeched.

    If people have access to them then I fully permit them to take what they want.

    The top vault, Stash, contains things used for contests and/or for people that want something “shiny”. If a member simply asks then I’m happy to give ONE per!

    I have only one other member in my guild that accesses the stash and I’ve known this person for a few years now.

    Adopt this format and your thieving issues are gone.

    So how does that work? everyone in the guild contributes so you can have "your" vault all to yourself? Seems like entitlement.

    You mean the vault that he says is used for items to be given out in contests and for members of the guild upon request?

    The word entitlement loses some of its lustre when used to describe giving things away to others..

  • @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    Having run a guild for six years I adjusted how my guild bank works. The stash is MY vault where I put the most valuable stuff and gold. The other vaults are used for anything I don’t mind being leeched.

    If people have access to them then I fully permit them to take what they want.

    The top vault, Stash, contains things used for contests and/or for people that want something “shiny”. If a member simply asks then I’m happy to give ONE per!

    I have only one other member in my guild that accesses the stash and I’ve known this person for a few years now.

    Adopt this format and your thieving issues are gone.

    So how does that work? everyone in the guild contributes so you can have "your" vault all to yourself? Seems like entitlement.

    You mean the vault that he says is used for items to be given out in contests and for members of the guild upon request?

    The word entitlement loses some of its lustre when used to describe giving things away to others..

    ...and as I noted, the items in that top vault are from me and noone else. For example I have about 10 expensive BL skins and another 15 mid range ones. Some rare dyes etc... So ya I guess I’m entitled to control where they go.

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  • Zeivu.3615Zeivu.3615 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    @Girbilcannon.8259 said:
    They need a system where you can regulate how many items or how much gold can be removed at one time.

    I don't see whats wrong with this. seems reasonable.

    Other MMOs have found a way to implement it where there was daily gold allowance limits and limited item withdrawals. I don't see why this can't be implemented in 2019 here in gw2 as an option. I am sure it would work best for both Anet and the guild communities as a middle ground and would reduce a lot of drama.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    Having run a guild for six years I adjusted how my guild bank works. The stash is MY vault where I put the most valuable stuff and gold. The other vaults are used for anything I don’t mind being leeched.

    If people have access to them then I fully permit them to take what they want.

    The top vault, Stash, contains things used for contests and/or for people that want something “shiny”. If a member simply asks then I’m happy to give ONE per!

    I have only one other member in my guild that accesses the stash and I’ve known this person for a few years now.

    Adopt this format and your thieving issues are gone.

    So how does that work? everyone in the guild contributes so you can have "your" vault all to yourself? Seems like entitlement.

    You mean the vault that he says is used for items to be given out in contests and for members of the guild upon request?

    The word entitlement loses some of its lustre when used to describe giving things away to others..

    ...and as I noted, the items in that top vault are from me and noone else. For example I have about 10 expensive BL skins and another 15 mid range ones. Some rare dyes etc... So ya I guess I’m entitled to control where they go.

    I think what Jumpin Lumpix.6108 pointed out did you pay to upgrade the last step yourself in the guild bank if not thats kinda scummy to the rest of the guild.
    I have 3 guild bank I fully upgraded before the system changed so know that it was quite cheap back in the day.

  • @Linken.6345 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    Having run a guild for six years I adjusted how my guild bank works. The stash is MY vault where I put the most valuable stuff and gold. The other vaults are used for anything I don’t mind being leeched.

    If people have access to them then I fully permit them to take what they want.

    The top vault, Stash, contains things used for contests and/or for people that want something “shiny”. If a member simply asks then I’m happy to give ONE per!

    I have only one other member in my guild that accesses the stash and I’ve known this person for a few years now.

    Adopt this format and your thieving issues are gone.

    So how does that work? everyone in the guild contributes so you can have "your" vault all to yourself? Seems like entitlement.

    You mean the vault that he says is used for items to be given out in contests and for members of the guild upon request?

    The word entitlement loses some of its lustre when used to describe giving things away to others..

    ...and as I noted, the items in that top vault are from me and noone else. For example I have about 10 expensive BL skins and another 15 mid range ones. Some rare dyes etc... So ya I guess I’m entitled to control where they go.

    I think what Jumpin Lumpix.6108 pointed out did you pay to upgrade the last step yourself in the guild bank if not thats kinda scummy to the rest of the guild.
    I have 3 guild bank I fully upgraded before the system changed so know that it was quite cheap back in the day.

    I paid to upgrade most everything in my hall myself. Spent thousands of gold from start to finish. Had help from members of another guild at times but most was me alone.

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • samo.1054samo.1054 Member ✭✭✭

    This is your problem and I only find it normal thaz Anet does not interfere with such issues. There's a very real lesson to be learned from all this and it applies to life in general - trust no one.

  • alcopaul.2156alcopaul.2156 Member ✭✭✭

    @samo.1054 said:
    This is your problem and I only find it normal thaz Anet does not interfere with such issues. There's a very real lesson to be learned from all this and it applies to life in general - trust no one.

    Trust "No. One"

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  • Graymalkyn.8076Graymalkyn.8076 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    With all due respect, you all are also assuming the OP is giving us the real story. It could be that the guy who bolted basically built and financed the guild and then got fed up with others taking HIS stuff. I don't know the details, but I have learned to get the whole story before assuming one person's view is the correct view.

    We are what we write; our language defines us.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Graymalkyn.8076 said:
    With all due respect, you all are also assuming the OP is giving us the real story. It could be that the guy who bolted basically built and financed the guild and then got fed up with others taking HIS stuff. I don't know the details, but I have learned to get the whole story before assuming one person's view is the correct view.

    You are correct.

    That being said, we aren’t judge jury OR executioner. We are noting responses based on what was presented.

    And no one’s good name has been tarnished. There has been no naming involved.

    1. Why would you put valuable things in the guild bank?
    2. This is, as the Anet representative told you, a matter of internal guild politics.
  • Nury.3062Nury.3062 Member ✭✭✭

    I 've been a guild leader for 5 years in GW2 and many others in other MMORPGs and i never had any valuable items in the guild bank.I once met a guy in a game,we were from the same country so it was nice,we played almost daily for months,hardcore farming,trading,everything together.He used to trade a lot and "level" his gear a lot but in that game the gear could break when "leveled" and once he told me that he broke his farming gear and asked me if i can give him my farming gear for a few days until he gets some gold to start again with unleveled stuff.I gave him my farming gear in an instant,the moment i gave him that he said he didn't receive it and i even had his account and pass so the moment he told me i logged in and it wasn't there.After talking with a gm he told me that the gear was traded/moved to another account.He scammed me after pretending to be my "friend" for months.Even if i had the pvp gear and i could get farming gear easily,i was not even that big on farming,it wasn't the same anymore, shortly after i stopped playing the game.The only thing i learned from it is to NEVER trust anyone.

  • Never had this problem and have always kept very valuable items and hundreds of gold in the vault. You have to use a little common sense.
    3 sections of the guild vault.

    Section 1 - any member can place items in or take items out. (general green/blue gear foods, etc.)

    Section 2 - any member can place items in but only trusted officers can take items out. (higher end items, members must ask if there is something they would like)

    Section 3 - any member can place items in but only myself, my alt accounts or the treasurer can take items out. (High end items, main gold store, etc) Treasurer sleeps in my bed and I fix their meals so I trust them with a little in game gold.

    Big difference with our guild is we do not have just guild members. We make friends and then invite them. As I said before, quality over quantity. What is the use of having a 400 member guild if you do not even know who these people are and you can't trust them?

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Scenario: You run a small organization in real life. You have various members given various duties. One member is in charge of the organization's finances. They are responsible for keeping track of what people have donated to the group to keep it running. One day the group's fund is empty and the guy is unable to be contacted, blocking any form of contact people use to try and talk to them.

    Is this "an internal organization matter"? Or is this embezzlement? Would you call the police and report a theft? Or would you shrug and let it go?

    People often seem too willing to overlook things just because it is on the internet. I get that real life money is worth more than in game items and gold, but that doesn't make those items and gold worthless. Someone still put their time and effort into acquiring them. We should value the time of other players more.

    A person having the ability to take things from the guild bank and doing so is one thing. A person taking everything from the guild bank and then leaving the guild without saying anything is an entirely different thing. If it was just a matter of the person didn't understand they shouldn't take too much then that's just a misunderstanding and is an internal guild issue. But if the person immediately leaves the guild then it is pretty clear they were taking the stuff with the intent to rip the guild off, that makes it a player scamming other players issue. And scamming is against GW2 code of conduct as describe by "Taking advantage of another player (“scamming”) in order to take his/her items or account"

    I know it's a matter that is hard to prove you often have he-said-she-said. But I have seen these thieves be confident enough to admit to what they did with the excuse of "I was able to take the stuff, so I did and then I left because they didn't have anything else I could benefit from anymore"

    Are some guild leaders too lax with permissions and/or who they promote? Yes.
    Does that mean people who take advantage of and scam others should be overlooked? No.

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  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lol the Guild Drama. I haven't been in a dedicated MMO Guild since the early days of TBC WoW.... this here is an example of why. Lol. Glad I can enjoy myself without the need of guilds. Hopefully Anet adds more endgame meta events to the timer to keep this non-Guild required content fun and refreshing.

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mewcifer.5198 said:
    And scamming is against GW2 code of conduct as describe by "Taking advantage of another player (“scamming”) in order to take his/her items or account"

    Technically, they were the guild's items. And the player was a member of the guild when they were taken.

    Guild banks are grey areas because it's very hard to firmly establish who should have ownership from a GM's perspective, and so the only time guild banks will be heavily policed is when RMT is involved. Other than that, anything you put in the guild bank ceases to be your item and instead becomes accessible to anyone in the guild with the right permissions, for any purpose they choose. You may have guild rules about who gets to do what with the bank, but they don't mean anything unless backed up with rank permissions.

    It's possible they may consider intervening if someone's account was compromised when they cleaned out the guild bank. But I'd consider that highly unlikely too - I know of a guild with several ANet staff who had the guild bank raided some years ago via a guildie's compromised account. They didn't get the lost items back either.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Graymalkyn.8076 said:
    With all due respect, you all are also assuming the OP is giving us the real story.

    Nah, i don't. Which is why i said that getting to the bottom of such cases would require a lot of effort, and that quite often there would be no clear-cut, obvious solution (seeing as the ownership of stuff put in a guild bank is often unclear).

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    In GW2, it is quite normal to see a thief or two in a guild. Fortunately, they can easily be spotted via their icon: If spotted, they tend to run for it: . Be careful: When confronted, you may end up on the wrong side of a sniper rifle:

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  • @Ashen.2907 said:
    The only completely solid provable here is that the 'thief' was given permission to take the contents of the bank...and did so.

    Sucks, but there it is.

    And by definition, if they're given permission to take the contents of the bank then they can't be a thief.

  • For those who would like to know, we did end up rebuilding after everything was taken from us. So, thank you to everybody who stepped up and helped us out. We are more than thankful. I also just had a friendly conversation with the person who took everything in game. All he claims is that we left it open and because it was a game function that he is in the right. I do agree with this and feel that anet needs to step up with how guild banks are managed instead of just giving us a "yes or no" check box system.

    I do still feel however he is a thief because in the end, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. If you give a key to your house to someone you trust and they turn around and take everything from within the house and then bolt...they are technically and morally in the wrong. I really don't care if we get everything back at this point, but i do want to see people like this removed from the game community because if they are using a game function to screw over unsuspecting players and get off on a technicality, how is that right?

    On a side note, this player is claiming that I slandered his name and has sent his "proof" to anet. He also says that I told my buddies to harass him? It's really funny how he keeps claiming this even though I have done no such thing. He is claiming this forum post as proof too lol. clearly I haven't done any slandering here or anywhere i can think of, but the only thing I can think of at this point is our warnings to his other guild leaders about him. But hey, if it's not wrong to use an in-game function, then it's not wrong to tell others about how he used that in-game function to screw over a bunch of people, right?

    I see a couple of people talking about how a guild this big is hard to manage or maybe i need to be more careful when doing so. I do hear you, but none of us asked for the guild to become this massive lol. We have never even done standard recruiting methods. people see us and just want to join in on the fun so we invite them and only officers are allowed to invite. We don't even have anybody inactive for more than a month at this point lol (well with the exception for those going on extended leave that we know about). That's why we were in a rush to get more guild management as the player base was growing so fast. Who knew that one of those members would get greedy.

  • Vlad Filen.8049Vlad Filen.8049 Member ✭✭
    edited February 18, 2019

    i read the same story happen recently in a NA Asura guild , i facebook
    in my main guild we have a policy that only guild master had the right to take something from the guild hall , but he is too rich (ingame ) to stole anything from it , he mostly single handedly upgraded the guild .

  • alcopaul.2156alcopaul.2156 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2019

    usually, trust build ups over time and the proofs and confirmation that the one who deserves your trust really deserves it. the "don't trust anyone", in this age of social media, is akin to some mental disease/paranoia.

    if you're alone and no one is approaching you, that means that those who are around you "are not trusting anyone." it's them, not you.

    and you will know who are your real crew.

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  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭

    I like how EVE handles all these human interactions. Now EVE is a completely different game, more pvp oriented with minimum restrictions and you can really take revenge on someone so it is a different situation. But still. There are no policies regarding human interactions.
    You can role play a bad guy; you can be a pirate, thief, murderer and can actually do it. You have guilds of pirates who live in exile, galaxy scale wars with thousands participants and billions of dmg have sprouted because of all of these human interactions. Drama on a cosmic scale.

  • @Girbilcannon.8259 said:
    just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

    Turns out a huge fraction of white collar crime is committed by people "because they can." The newsworthy cases involve corporate thieving at massive firms, but the greater number of cases are in small businesses. No matter what the rules are, no matter what the "government" does, in the end, you have to accept that there's a risk in granting access to others.

    The guild system in GW2 is rather primitive in many ways, but it has all sorts of ways to handle privileges. And once those privileges are granted, there's absolutely no way for ANet to determine if those with permissions are using or abusing them.

    I'm glad your guild has been able to recover (financially and spiritually). I'm sorry that was an experience that y'all had to recover from. But I can't imagine why ANet would put themselves in a position to police this sort of thing.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • @Girbilcannon.8259 While the system is "just a yes/no system" keep in mind that each section can be set separately, so the really expensive items can be kept in a part that only very few can remove stuff from.

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