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Your Reoccurring theme for losing? Lets help each other not lose.

rwolf.9571rwolf.9571 Member ✭✭✭

As a player that constantly see 10-20 loss streaks at a time (and stupid enough 10-20 win streaks at a time). Whats the main reason you lose your matches. What do you think you could do to counteract it?

Myself, I constantly see ppl lacking map awareness, preferring to chase players rather than holding points. Breaking off team fights to chase, only to get singled out and die. Poor rotations leaving me to guess where to go when everybody wipes.

I addition, I need to pick my fights better, and avoid players that counter mine.

Currently I try to +1 fights when need be, but would I be better off trying to out rotate/back cap? since my team lacks awareness? (DPS Chrono, S/D Support Weaver)

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  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2019

    @rwolf.9571 said:
    As a player that constantly see 10-20 loss streaks at a time (and stupid enough 10-20 win streaks at a time). Whats the main reason you lose your matches

    Honestly? I no longer know whats the main reason I lose matches.

    For example, today I had a rage-quit AFKer.... when we were winning/leading score by several points and two nodes were ours and defended.
    The match before I lost Temple of the Silent storm by 500 to 482 or something, because, and I **** you not, all nodes were ours, enemy guard was channeling Tranq, I interrupted him with Steal, two seconds later the Tranq somehow pops up for their Team even though I interrupted his channel...
    Third Match my team literally (and I swear this is true) kept losing 4v2 at Close, gotta point out it was vs 2 mirages, but I guess if someone is capable of losing 4v2 then the enemy profession literally didn't play a role.

    What I do is I don't play after 2 loses if they are in a row, I am usually way too "depressed" and accidentaly degrade my own gameplay in next matches, which only causes more losses.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Unless we have thief, it's automatically the thief's fault.

    Amen

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • The easiest reason for a lot of my losses and the main reason I don't play anymore is simply playing with the same people, mainly DuoQ's that are either stacked too well or stacked too poorly. Even in wins, the match quality is typically awful with DuoQ around.

    Remove Ranked DuoQ pls&ty

  • People overextending and not knowing how to play the map mechanic.

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2019

    The main reason of losing in a losing streak is when my mates lose their fights against enemy team. The strategy is clearly secondary. Some try to do the points and rotations but it's a lose because all the team is wiped again and again. I watch always the kill log.

    It's seems stupid but it's as if the system was able to detect the 2 or 3 (never all 4) worst players in term of fighting capacity and put them in my team in my losing streak. To compensate I should dominate with a crazy carry to balance the thing. But it's something I'm not capable to do.

    And after the losing streak, I'm against with very low players who I can kill in sec. in chain so begins my winning streak. (with scores like 18-0 or 22-0 at every matches)

    The interesting matches, where opponents are toughts but I'm not squeezed by 3 of them at every corner (means my mates can contain them) are very very very very very rare.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2019

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Unless we have thief, it's automatically the thief's fault.

    Amen

    i have never been blamed for a loss on any other class.

    im bad at thief, though. dont like meta so its my fault lol

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @Alatar.7364 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Unless we have thief, it's automatically the thief's fault.

    Amen

    i have never been blamed for a loss on any other class.

    Same here =D ....... =/

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Abazigal.3679Abazigal.3679 Member ✭✭✭

    There are some fights where i can clearly say that opponents played better, or that i could have done better . However, the 2 most common points lately are :

    • Mirages and scourges : too complicated to have an impact as a single player against 3 of these stacked, and mistakes are too unforgiven
    • People giving up too quickly : afks/afks because 2 thieves/afks because we died mid/...
  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2019

    Things I learned to keep my high winrate.

    I stopped playing on weekends. Things always go poorly when I do so.

    I get at least 1h break after 2 losses in a row

    I never play more than 2 hours without taking a break from pvp. After playing a long time you get tired and can't tell that. You just know you losing more matches than before. It's interesting that you go do something else that puts you in a more relaxed state.

    All those things I do is to avoid getting tilted. When you're kinda mad and make the same mistakes over and over.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't know or care about team mates so I don't bother trying to win for them, I kill people and have fun doing it.
    I only try to win when Im playing with friends who want to win.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion

  • Most of the time I loose cause of people rushing on node and getting impaled by 4 men. Or for example a reaper that doesn't know he will die the second he's out of F1 and still decide to rush in 4 men (again) so basically it's 4v5 after 3 sec. Then the snowball starts.

    If it was only 1 guy it could be fine. but sometimes 3 ppl rush on point and got all cleaved insta. then I stick around and i got the comment " fight on point kitten" ... the lack of figth understanding from that kind of ppl really.

    For those who don't know : you need only 1 guy on the point to contest it ... not 3 . The rest can rotate around it and take isolated foe. It's way mor effective than ball and get cleaved.

    There's also that one guy that don't rotate so force myself to do so (as a mediguard) and then getting outnumbered after winning my 1v1. At least i practise my disengage abilities.

  • Chuck.2864Chuck.2864 Member ✭✭✭

    The biggest contributor to losing in soloQ below Plat 2 is bad necros without a FB on your team in my experience. The ones who don't kite, position themselves well in teamfights or rotate into teamfights at all. If enemy team has a Rev and a core Guard for example you should expect to get nuked and position yourself in no port spots or kite with flesh wurm, spectral walk etc but many don't and basically die within the first 5 seconds of the teamfight. Many then proceed to feed mid 1v3 all game and end up with double digits for deaths.

    I get that it's very difficult to survive on Necro without a support against certain enemy comps but this is also where swapping comes in and people should consider the enemy comp and swap away from Necro if they're clearly going to have a hard time. For my part as a DPS player I could improve by peeling for them more but peeling needs to be a team effort, 1 player alone can't peel for the Necro when 3 people jump him and that kind of team effort rarely happens in soloQ.

    Also I agree with playing with tilted and not knowing when to stop leading to losing streaks. I've been known to lose 100-150 rating in a single day of PvP because I keep playing, playing badly and losing and don't take a break. Also this is purely anecdotal but I find games to be really bad if you play late night. Have had nothing but loss streaks when playing after midnight in EU.

  • Brendan.1309Brendan.1309 Member ✭✭✭

    AFKs even when we are in the lead and people not finishing downed players.

  • Spartacus.3192Spartacus.3192 Member ✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:
    Things I learned to keep my high winrate.

    I stopped playing on weekends. Things always go poorly when I do so.

    I get at least 1h break after 2 losses in a row

    I never play more than 2 hours without taking a break from pvp. After playing a long time you get tired and can't tell that. You just know you losing more matches than before. It's interesting that you go do something else that puts you in a more relaxed state.

    All those things I do is to avoid getting tilted. When you're kinda mad and make the same mistakes over and over.

    This right here is literally my rulebook to the letter! Works for me.

  • NecroSummonsMors.7816NecroSummonsMors.7816 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2019

    Well sometimes, I do stupid rotations, it happens not every match and move is perfect. But is a normal loss which I can get it, I kitten up that my fault, do my best to recover still sometimes can never get the points back.
    BUT and here's a big one, most of the times I lose because there's an afk, or someone that constantly go far just to die or that can't fight on close and keep losing. Today for example I had the most ridicolous thing: a dragon hunter come to far, which I was capping after killing a scourge and he complained that i wasnt holding far and proceed to try and cap it with me. Just to then rage at me in chat for leaving the point(and let him finish the capping) and he then decided to go afk, because we're all noobs...should I say more? Because I got plenty of stories like this
    Best advice is dont rage in map chat, if you're tilted leave pvp go do something else. Golden rule: if you have more than 5 loss in day, stop it, play pvp next day or go unrank.

  • Main reason lately has been re-learning how to play (took 3 years off).

    Other reasons are being on teams with bots, or players that play like bots -- people who will die, respawn and run right back into a losing battle, or who don't know how to kite/run away and not die -- either way the entire team gets staggered and it just snowballs from there because people keep running into 1v3's.

  • Snellibee.2761Snellibee.2761 Member ✭✭✭

    Getting tilted is the biggest reason for a high losing streak, last season i couldn't get out of gold 3 because I just kept playing all day without really taking breaks after losses, resulting in me getting big losing streaks because you become lazy and make many mistakes. Now I'm making sure I'm not tilted and I take a break if I lose too many times or after I played a few games, sitting at a steady 1567 atm

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Team is overextending then getting snowballed.

  • @Khalisto.5780 said:
    Things I learned to keep my high winrate.

    I stopped playing on weekends. Things always go poorly when I do so.

    I get at least 1h break after 2 losses in a row

    I never play more than 2 hours without taking a break from pvp. After playing a long time you get tired and can't tell that. You just know you losing more matches than before. It's interesting that you go do something else that puts you in a more relaxed state.

    All those things I do is to avoid getting tilted. When you're kinda mad and make the same mistakes over and over.

    this

  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭

    If your lose streak goes to five? It's que refresh time. Don't play again for six hours, minimum. Never ever try to play through a losing streak. It screws with you personally (you will get only worse, not better) and the people you get won't be any better. Our PvP pool is small. Best advice I can give.

  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2019

    Matchmaking. Not like I'm perfect, but I genuinely feel like ~40% of matches are downright unwinnable. Complete blowouts.

    People are making the same mistakes as 7 years ago, even in what's considered to be high rated games (mostly because the population is small). Going boss on Forest 24/7, never ever EVER checking the minimap, not knowing when buffs spawn on temple, stomping when they should cleave, pushing bunkers 1v1 on their capped node, etc.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2019

    n#1 prob is people wanting fights more then wins. people don't care about conquest.

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  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    I lose games when I don't land my shackling waves.

  • DaShi.1368DaShi.1368 Member ✭✭✭

    Calling and focusing targets was something that I saw made a huge difference.

  • Genuinetheo.6591Genuinetheo.6591 Member ✭✭✭

    Usually a lack communication: no one calling targets, everyone splitting off for their own kills... while your team is probably fighting a 3v1 on many fronts, and everyone slowly dies.

    The worst part is the slowly dying part, especially if you're a bunker spec. Dying out of sync with your team members means less chances to group and coordinate attacks.

  • Fortus.6175Fortus.6175 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    The main reason to why I lose is no particular one reason, but rather a summation of many of them, some of which may or may not be present in a game at any given time.

    Sometimes it is the mismatching team comps, sometimes player skills, sometimes it is poor morale, sometimes an AFK, sometimes I dont even know, everything should be going well but instead it is not, sometimes they have a premade, sometimes we have a premade, sometimes people dont do the objectives, sometimes people go to the objectives but forget everything else, sometimes it's me, sometimes it is not, sometimes is none of the above, sometimes is all of the above, sometimes just some.

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    Fighting a player I know I lose to. Even on the same class and same build. Some times I have an arrogance in. No way. I can totally take him next time. Then end up dyig 2-3 times.

    Now a days if i know the other guy is more skillful than me. I am just not gonna fight him and find fights where I know I can take.

    Sounds simple but pride really did ruin alot of my games.

  • Cuddy.6247Cuddy.6247 Member ✭✭✭

    I lose because I suck. But it aggravates me more because I get paired with teammates who suck as bad as I do. Having a win/lose ratio of 1:5 is just demoralizing, and quite frankly I think this game is garbage. It's got a great artistic design, but I can't sell the gameplay itself. But boy oh boy, some rewards are locked behind reward tracks. Or there isn't a dungeon community left to play with in PvE. If the game didn't autokick for inactivity, I'd probably just AFK every match and leech rewards while I worked on projects in Illustrator.

  • Ralkuth.1456Ralkuth.1456 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019
    1. Not disengaging/kiting/jump puzzling when my CDs are low, or when the fight doesn't go our way.
      Sometimes it's just wishful thinking that with teammate rezzed we can turn this around, or that target at 10% who's already safely blown CDs and begun to kite... nope.
      Disengage, save up CDs, when a person gets to a side node he/she will need the tools to win the 1v1 or stall it.
      I think this goes with not chasing, burning up CDs just to reach your target and then being unable to take it out in a short time, will complicate things very quickly.

    2. Insisting on challenging a player that I lost against in a 1v1 (skill/build is superior).
      It's like a desperate gamble, and all I do is throw the game when I die again because I care about winning so much I can't see the Rev coming in for the best outnumber moment of his/her week.

    3. Playing while unable to focus.
      Either lack of sleep, or tired from a full day, or bad mood... I end up predictable, stupid and possessing the reflexes of a 20 year old Labrador.
      I'm honestly pretty darned average and bounce around Gold3, but sometimes I feel like watching a player at 800 doing his thing. After the match my head would be filled with the utterly fulfilling emotion of regret.
      The worst thing you can do after 2 losses and getting that gambling mood is to keep playing... there's a very big chance you're all set up to throw your own games with passion. Not to mention run right into your last team who recognizes you for your contribution... to the enemy.

    I'm not saying your team doesn't matter though, it does to a big degree depending on how well they play, (more so than) what builds they run. Just don't give up yourself and keep playing, some of the best matches I've experienced are from close losses or skin-of-teeth comebacks.

    Player of distinguishing mediocrity (S5: G3, S6: P1).
    Carrying enemy team since 2012.
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  • Stallic.2397Stallic.2397 Member ✭✭✭

    This is happening recently, just in the last few days. But the slightest inconvenience and a teammate will say 'gg'. Like wth?! It's only 150-90. How is that gg?!

    I swear to you, I've come back from games where we're 200 points behind! You three cap for 30 sec to a min, easily read the rotation of the other team and steam roll. People give up too easily. After reading the other comments, I think players are just exhausted from a long day. Take a break then. Calm down and play again later.

    Also, communicate with your teammates. In other pvp games I played, communication was key. But GW2, no one talks and just hopes for the best. Say stuff like
    -Going far
    -Inc home, mid, far
    Sometimes its the little things that determine a game

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    another reason for losing is no communication. I wish there was some kinda radio thingy like in counter strike where you can call for help.

    The horror...…….the horror...…….the horror...…….

  • Poor communication, our bunkers or warriors chasing off point around spawn areas, me being forced to defend mid as a thief. Most of the time I just get told "it's just a game". I mean it is just a game, but I have more fun when I win! The hardest trouble I personally have is adapting to when my team wants to play the role of decapper instead of me. Forces me into a lot of unwanted fights as a thief.

  • Stallic.2397Stallic.2397 Member ✭✭✭

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    another reason for losing is no communication. I wish there was some kinda radio thingy like in counter strike where you can call for help.

    Would be a huge plus. Just played a game today where a scrapper cc'd me off the node and capped. Quickly explained to team and told them I needed a +1 to finish him quick.

    Got a chrono to burst him down with me, and got the node back... Use communication everyone! Lol

  • Cuddy.6247Cuddy.6247 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019

    Yeah, just played a match with a scourge who didn't even throw down shades. Just used a axe/dagger build and tried to kill everyone with Ghastly Claws. Combined with a thief that couldn't decap and an ele that just threw down salt but couldn't fight. I'm already bad at PvP as it is without having to babysit people who are literally dumber than vegetables.

  • Stale.3527Stale.3527 Member ✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019

    Poor rotations plague me more than anything nowadays. Team got wiped mid and is now regrouping on close? Our scourge goes mid and 1v3s. Blames me for not giving him backup.

    The other thing is class flexibility. OPTIMALLY (but not always necessary), everyone should be able to play at least 1 type of each role (+1, Bunker, Duelist, etc,)

    Being able to swap class archetypes puts the entire team at a much better advantage.

    If you want to avoid losing a ton, find someone of similar skill level to you, and duo Q with them. Most people are willing to accept as long as you’re not playing like a monkey.

    And lastly, a thing I learnt from my friend.
    “every time you die, it’s 100% your fault, not anyone else’s.” e.g: leaving the point, picking your fights, etc,. A good thing to ask yourself whenever you die is “what did I do wrong there.”

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cuddy.6247 said:
    I lose because I suck. But it aggravates me more because I get paired with teammates who suck as bad as I do. Having a win/lose ratio of 1:5 is just demoralizing, and quite frankly I think this game is garbage. It's got a great artistic design, but I can't sell the gameplay itself. But boy oh boy, some rewards are locked behind reward tracks. Or there isn't a dungeon community left to play with in PvE.

    I run at least 16 dungeon paths a day, and outside of times where most people are at work or in class, there's always LFG groups out there in the dungeon list. I question the effort you've put into finding or making a group.

    I do agree that matchmaking is terrible. I was a plat-ranked player for the past 6 seasons, but the frustration was too great for me this season, and I've decided to walk away from ranked forever. The problem is is that the same ridiculous matchups plague unranked too. I see people with top 25/50 titles stacked against my team, which at best might have 2x top 250 ppl on it (including myself).

  • I have video of player who each match is afk and abuse people. where to send this?

  • Jetra.1238Jetra.1238 Member ✭✭

    My problem is "what do I do, what do I build, and where am I supposed to be?" which is not something I learn in a day. You'd think me with MOBA experience would translate into the mini-version but it does not. Pathing is not clear to me as a new player and I think putting me up with some bots would be very helpful instead of using training dummies.

  • Abraxxus.8971Abraxxus.8971 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2019

    The quick and easy that I see my team losing...
    1) They don't read team chat.
    2) lack map awareness
    3) Won't attack the focused target
    4) chase lone enemies around the map
    5) Try to be a hero and feed a group of enemies
    6) Simply not caring about winning and just there for the pips.

    I'm not saying I'm a Legendary level pvp'er. I'm way far from it, but I've learned alot about rotations and builds since I started pvping back in season 5.

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