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For a while now the community has been speculating as to what the plans moving forward with the game will entail. A lot of fuss has been made over the fact that we wont be getting an expansion, instead moving directly into Living World Season 5. I would just like to share my input on the topic and speculate as to what the developers have got cooking.

People are worried that we won't even be seeing another expansion and I want to alleviate those concerns by saying that I do believe that the expansion is already in the works as we speak. The reason behind the release of season 5 before the next expansion will be to tide us over until the next expansion release, which will be a BIG one. Why do I think the next expansion will be a big one you ask? Well it all comes down to each 'Gimmick' each expansion has, and the new gimmick next expansion will bring.

In Heart Of Thorns we got the introduction of Elite Specialisations, a clever way of continuing progression and unlocking new play styles , a trend that will continue into other expansions moving forward. The Glider was also introduced, giving us a new way to traverse the world, and of course my favourite class (Revenant) was introduced.

In Path Of Fire we got our new Elite Specialisations following our trend from Heart Of Thorns, and the introduction of mounts. A hotly debated topic beforehand but generally accepted among the community, our new way of getting about.

So what other goodies are left? What will we get next expansion? Something Glider like would be a bit underwhelming and while new mounts would be a welcome addition, that was already the 'Gimmick' for Path Of Fire. There isn't much else we can add movement wise to the game. We can Glide, Surf, Leap, Teleport, Jump, ZOOM and arguably fly. So what's next?

That question leads me to the reason that I believe the next expansion will be a while off (but is most certainly in the works). Seeing as we don't have much else to add, I reckon the next thing we are going to get alongside our new set of Elite Specialisations is a brand new race, most likely the Tengu. Adding in a new race is a monumental task when you consider all the factors that go into adding them with reference to how Guild Wars 2 works. New Texture mapping for EVERY ITEM IN THE GAME and the new items introduced in the next expansion. Animations for every class, Personal story with all branching paths to be written, new Racial city, additions to the existing lore and so on.

All that just for our expansion 'gimmick', a lot more work than Gliders or Mounts that's for sure. That doesn't even take into account the new areas they will have to create, Elite Specialisations they will have to design and Lore they will have to write for our next expansion. The main point being, this will all take a fairly long time to test and produce and thinking in the long term, Arena Net has decided to keep us busy while we wait with the Introduction of Living World Season 5.

But hey, that's just my take and what I can gather. Sorry for the lengthy post and thanks to everyone that took the time to read it in its entirety. What do you think is coming in the future? Do you think I'm a raving loon and the game is just going to collapse in on itself? Let me know :)

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  • We'll get island fronts and war expeditions.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If I'm reading this right, you're speculating that the next expansion will be centered around the addition of a single race? I'm not sure that is likely as I don't believe that will appeal to the vast majority of the player base.

    I believe that it is more likely that the next expansion will focus on underwater travel/combat. I'm not saying that it will be entirely centered on this; rather, that it will be a large portion of what will be offered. There could be locations that are only accessible via underwater travel (islands, underwater cities under a dome of some sort, etc...) and new mount mechanics for traversing on or under the water. This type of content, in my opinion, would find a broader target audience than the addition of a single race.

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  • @kharmin.7683 said:
    If I'm reading this right, you're speculating that the next expansion will be centered around the addition of a single race? I'm not sure that is likely as I don't believe that will appeal to the vast majority of the player base.

    I believe that it is more likely that the next expansion will focus on underwater travel/combat. I'm not saying that it will be entirely centered on this; rather, that it will be a large portion of what will be offered. There could be locations that are only accessible via underwater travel (islands, underwater cities under a dome of some sort, etc...) and new mount mechanics for traversing on or under the water. This type of content, in my opinion, would find a broader target audience than the addition of a single race.

    No, what I'm trying to say is that the addition of a new race is one of the many factors as to why the next expansion will take a bit longer than usual to make, as implementing an entire new race is a lot more work than adding gliders or mounts as a feature.

    The expansion will not be focused SOLELY on the new Race, rather will most likely follow on from the end of Season 5.

  • I don't think the Tengu, or any other race will be the spotlight of the next expansion. Perhaps, it will be housing? More traditional quests? Something special in Cantha, or one of the unexplored regions? I don't know.
    But, I don't think it will be a new race, especially not with a complete Personal Story, as the cost (voice-acting, altering every piece of armor, etc.) would just be too resource/cost-intensive for the return.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    Why not climbing? Like in zelda BOTW? Cliffside enough huge that you can't climb it by simply jumping around with bunny.

    Underwater mounts... welp should have been introduced with PoF, skimmer does nothing, it could at least go underwater.

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  • Ahtuno.8537Ahtuno.8537 Member ✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Hesacon.8735 said:
    The reason we're getting LW5 after LW4 is the next expansion is not ready and Anet learned the hard way that content droughts suck the life out of players.

    Pretty much Sums up my post and what I was getting at.

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    I don't think the Tengu, or any other race will be the spotlight of the next expansion. Perhaps, it will be housing? More traditional quests? Something special in Cantha, or one of the unexplored regions? I don't know.
    But, I don't think it will be a new race, especially not with a complete Personal Story, as the cost (voice-acting, altering every piece of armor, etc.) would just be too resource/cost-intensive for the return.

    I dont think the Tengu, or any other race for the matter, would be the spotlight for the expansion. Just a feature that would take a large amount of time to implement. Like you said, housing could be in the works too. What my post was getting at was that I DO think an expansion is being actively worked on and is coming. A lot of players are doomsaying at the moment and think that LW is taking over the role of expansion, I wanted to express that I do not think this is the case.

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Why not climbing? Like in zelda BOTW? Cliffside enough huge that you can't climb it by simply jumping around with bunny.

    Underwater mounts... welp should have been introduces with PoF, skimmer does nothing, it could at least go underwater.

    A bit underwhelming don't you think? Mounts have already been introduced so a new expansion solely based on a mechanic we already have wouldn't be very innovative, and if we do get any new ones they will most likely be drip fed to us like the Roller beetle was.

  • Well, you did state the reason for releasing Season 5 before the next expansion was a new race. I just disagreed.
    I do, however, think there will be more expansions in the future. I could be wrong, of course.
    Still, they do seem to generate a nice chunk of change.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    Welp, now I'm just hoping fir ton of lore, gigantic metas and rewarding events...
    Mounts and Gliders are doing everything.

    Here is my bet:

    Next one= underwater
    Discovering largos, uses of water streams, islands, boats.....

    After= underground
    Discovering Quora Sum, new mechanics, digging at specific places to unlock secret rooms....
    Essentially asuran lore.

    +++In creative mood. New Engie Elite spec' DONE, Housing DONE, New asuran expansion DONE, Designing a new lounge "current", New GameMode DONE

  • @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Well, you did state the reason for releasing Season 5 before the next expansion was a new race. I just disagreed.

    No, I said that Season 5 is to alleviate the extra wait for the next expansion as a whole, not just the race. The race is just one feature, but one that would take longer than things like Gliders and Mounts that we've seen in previous expansions.

  • Mikali.9651Mikali.9651 Member ✭✭✭

    yeah well, I don't need one more gimmick as the focal point of the expansion. I need playable content.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Welp, now I'm just hoping fir ton of lore, gigantic metas and rewarding events...
    Mounts and Gliders are doing everything.

    Here is my bet:

    Next one= underwater
    Discovering largos, uses of water streams, islands, boats.....

    After= underground
    Discovering Quora Sum, new mechanics, digging at specific places to unlock secret rooms....
    Essentially asuran lore.

    So you think they are going to flesh out largos that are supposed to be mysterious that we only seen is it 1?
    Before charr homelands or going north and reclaiming the norn homelands?
    Edit
    Tho I agree going underground after asura tech and lore sounds nifty

  • I think what many people do not realize is that an important part of an expansion is things that are also added to the existing content.
    Gliding was made possible in all of tyria and not only in the HoT areas. Everyone playing in the old areas encountered people who glide.
    Mounts were made usable in all of tyria and not only in the PoF areas. Again, everyone playing in the previous areas encountered people using a mount.

    For those wo did not buy the expansions right away, seeing all the other people use the expansion abilities likely was a good "encouragement" to get the expansion too.

    I absolutely expect that the next expansion will not only have new maps that make use of new abilities, but that those abilities will once again be usable in all of the previously existing areas/maps. Now what abilities could this be? If it has anything to do with movement, there is not that much left to implement.

    Flying is already possible with the griffon, and we all know many people get upset when other people are given something that they themselves had to work/pay for. So introducing new means of flying would probably not add that much and at the same time have bad effects on those "but I had to work hard to get my griffon" people.

    Regular ground travel already has a big variety of mounts with different specialisations so there is not much to add there.

    Underground travel/exploration would require all the old maps to be fundementally (no pun intended) changed by adding actual underground areas to explore, which I think would be awesome but too much work to be realistically expected.

    Teleporting was also brought up. We already had teleporting by waypoints and asura gates from day1 of the game, so how could this be added? Making it possible to just teleport to where you want to be would invalidate not only the existing waypoints, but also all the existing mounts and gliding. Other means of short-range teleportation already exist with mesmer portals and a few items you can use yourself. So in my opinion, this will not something ANet considered as viable.

    So underwater movement/abilities remain as one thing that a) already has plenty of areas in the existing maps where this could be used and b) any new content tied to new underwater theme could be added into these areas without having to modify the existing map geometry c) has NO means of transportation at all yet, not in core game, not in HoT and not in PoF. That is why many people speculate on underwated content/abilities ;)

    However, although the pervious expansions featured movement abilities does not mean that the main point of a third expansion also has to be something related to movement. It could be something entirely different and unexpected. I am really looking forward to finding out one day!

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  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    Race doesn't matter in GW2 and is a purely cosmetic gimmick outside of roleplaying. The actual gameplay doesn't care about your race and it's good like that, imho. Adding a new race adds virtually nothing to the game that couldn't be added without adding a new race. We can have new maps, new stories, new animations, new elites and everything one would expect from an expansion without adding a new race since, repeat after me: Race. Doesn't. Matter. Beside. Cosmetics. GW2 isn't WoW or any other MMO where race is an actual factor in gameplay, again, your racial choice is a purely cosmetic one.
    So, instead of focusing a new expansion on an obsolete gimmick, I'd rather have them put the limited ressources into something worthwhile. I'm all in for an underwater expansion and an overall overhaul of UW-combat and content for example. Or an expansion that adds additional layers to existing maps going underground.

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  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I doubt the next expansion will be underwater, there's little to suggest it will be. Underwater content has been effectively dropped, with little to no content in maps released after launch. Underwater combat is boring and the underwater camera is still pretty terrible. They also haven't released a single new underwater weapon skin in years.

    If they add new underwater legendaries in season 5 then I'd say it may be a possibility but I doubt they will. I hope they don't without making some amazing changes to lift it above simply floating in space.

    I also doubt a new race would be the main feature of an expansion given how often they've said that new races bring very little to the game especially considering the huge ongoing cost of adding one.

  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I will never understand people's obsession with expansions. I'd be happy with living world forever. -shrugs-

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Welp, now I'm just hoping fir ton of lore, gigantic metas and rewarding events...
    Mounts and Gliders are doing everything.

    Here is my bet:

    Next one= underwater
    Discovering largos, uses of water streams, islands, boats.....

    After= underground
    Discovering Quora Sum, new mechanics, digging at specific places to unlock secret rooms....
    Essentially asuran lore.

    So you think they are going to flesh out largos that are supposed to be mysterious that we only seen is it 1?
    Before charr homelands or going north and reclaiming the norn homelands?
    Edit
    Tho I agree going underground after asura tech and lore sounds nifty

    Maybe they are luring us to charrs homeland, but note I'm happy with charr exploration ^^

    Now saying that I prefer:
    -> charr -> asuras

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  • @lokh.2695 said:
    Race doesn't matter in GW2 and is a purely cosmetic gimmick outside of roleplaying. The actualgameplay doesn't care about your race and it's good like that, imho. Adding a new race adds virtually nothing to the game that couldn't be added without adding a new race. We can have new maps, new stories, new animations, new elites and everything oe would expect from an expansion without adding a new race since, repeat after me: Race. Doesn't. Matter. Beside. Cosmetics. GW2 isn't WoW or any other MMO where race is an actual factor in gameplay, again, your racial choice is a purely cosmetic one.

    ''Race doesnt matter in GW2'', Maybe not to you mate. That is not empirical fact, merely your opinion. A lot of players (myself included) think that demanding the devs keep pumping more and more of the same 'gameplay' content into the game for players to voraciously eat away at it and demand more, is pretty harmful and at the very least, repetitive. Do you really want the next 3 years or so of content to be limited to smashing your head against the same PvP, Raids, Fractals, Dungeons etc over and over? I for one want to see the story progress, and for the world to be built upon. New Races, new lands and new lore. The Living World is a key feature for pushing this forward. We shouldnt have to be confined to the norms of MMO's seeing as we've worked so hard to stand out in the first place with things like the living story. If you really want a themepark MMO to bash your head against the same content year after year, then there are already many good ones out there. Forgive me for wanting this one to be different.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:
    the next thing we are going to get alongside our new set of Elite Specialisations is a brand new race, most likely the Tengu. [...]

    While I would love that, I highly doubt it. Dream on, chap, dream on. ;)

    Adding in a new race is a monumental task [...]

    The reason there is another season before the next expansion is to introduce a new storyline (hopefully nothing involving elder dragons) to serve as a prelude to the next expansion.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    Race doesn't matter in GW2 and is a purely cosmetic gimmick outside of roleplaying. The actualgameplay doesn't care about your race and it's good like that, imho. Adding a new race adds virtually nothing to the game that couldn't be added without adding a new race. We can have new maps, new stories, new animations, new elites and everything oe would expect from an expansion without adding a new race since, repeat after me: Race. Doesn't. Matter. Beside. Cosmetics. GW2 isn't WoW or any other MMO where race is an actual factor in gameplay, again, your racial choice is a purely cosmetic one.

    ''Race doesnt matter in GW2'', Maybe not to you mate. That is not empirical fact, merely your opinion

    So please elaborate where race matters and what features can be added only by adding a new race and by no other means. I'm all ears.

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  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Why do you think that your opinion based on nothing but your personal feelings alleviates anything? I dunno what their plans are and whether or not a next expansion is in the works but your wish that everything will be ok doesn't really tell me anything about what will happen.

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  • @lokh.2695 said:
    So please elaborate where race matters and what features can be added only by adding a new race and by no other means. I'm all ears.

    Let me answer your question with a question. seeing as you think race doesn't matter, when you entered the character creation screen im assuming you picked a race at random then? Because race doesn't matter right? I highly doubt that. You pick a race based on what appeals to you about their Lore, appearance and overall feel. If race really didnt matter as you say, you would have face rolled character creation and picked all options at random.

    I dont know if the game isnt making it clear for you, but the Personal Story, Living World and Expansion Questlines are all letting you know that this is a story driven game. If you didnt want an MMORPG (note the RPG part there) then you should've picked a different game.

    But to answer your initial question, a new Race would bring an entire new Personal Story, map completion in the racial capital with new vistas, landmarks, cultural armor vendor and (I know you couldnt care less) but a lot of additional lore to the game.

  • @Gehenna.3625 said:
    Why do you think that your opinion based on nothing but your personal feelings alleviates anything? I dunno what their plans are and whether or not a next expansion is in the works but your wish that everything will be ok doesn't really tell me anything about what will happen.

    The post was speculation about the future, go back and read it, I made it very clear.

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    Why do you think that your opinion based on nothing but your personal feelings alleviates anything? I dunno what their plans are and whether or not a next expansion is in the works but your wish that everything will be ok doesn't really tell me anything about what will happen.

    The post was speculation about the future, go back and read it, I made it very clear.

    I read it. Nothing there that alleviates any concerns as far as I'm concerned.

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  • @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    Why do you think that your opinion based on nothing but your personal feelings alleviates anything? I dunno what their plans are and whether or not a next expansion is in the works but your wish that everything will be ok doesn't really tell me anything about what will happen.

    The post was speculation about the future, go back and read it, I made it very clear.

    I read it. Nothing there that alleviates any concerns as far as I'm concerned.

    Alleviate concerns by speculation yes, its up to you if you agree or not as the post was subjective. I.E It was my opinion on what is going on, I wasnt stating any fact, just theorycrafting.

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    Why do you think that your opinion based on nothing but your personal feelings alleviates anything? I dunno what their plans are and whether or not a next expansion is in the works but your wish that everything will be ok doesn't really tell me anything about what will happen.

    The post was speculation about the future, go back and read it, I made it very clear.

    I read it. Nothing there that alleviates any concerns as far as I'm concerned.

    Alleviate concerns by speculation yes, its up to you if you agree or not as the post was subjective. I.E It was my opinion on what is going on, I wasnt stating any fact, just theorycrafting.

    Well and that's exactly my point. Since it's purely subjective and not factual, why would you think it would alleviate any concerns? It may be that I don't get that but for me it's odd that people would feel better because someone speculates things could be fine without any real indication why. So maybe that's just something I don't get.

    My take on the next expansion is that revenue is up for GW2 and considerably so. The last few quarters show a 50% increase in revenue. That means that the micro-transactions are doing really well. For their business model it's important to keep a good stream of revenue so it's better for them to delay the expansion until they really need it, meaning when gem store sales start going down. That makes sense to me in a long term plan, but it's also why I don't like micro-transactions because it's not great for the players that they are rewarded with a delay in content for spending more on the game.

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  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hesacon.8735 said:
    The reason we're getting LW5 after LW4 is the next expansion is not ready and Anet learned the hard way that content droughts suck the life out of players.

    The story is planned years beforehand and so that includes the living world and expansions. The decision to release LW5 right after LW4 was made a very long time before they figured that an expansion "wasn't ready". They couldn't possibly change the entire story of LW5 to be before the expansion, instead of after it.

  • @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @Gehenna.3625 said:
    Why do you think that your opinion based on nothing but your personal feelings alleviates anything? I dunno what their plans are and whether or not a next expansion is in the works but your wish that everything will be ok doesn't really tell me anything about what will happen.

    The post was speculation about the future, go back and read it, I made it very clear.

    I read it. Nothing there that alleviates any concerns as far as I'm concerned.

    Alleviate concerns by speculation yes, its up to you if you agree or not as the post was subjective. I.E It was my opinion on what is going on, I wasnt stating any fact, just theorycrafting.

    Well and that's exactly my point. Since it's purely subjective and not factual, why would you think it would alleviate any concerns? It may be that I don't get that but for me it's odd that people would feel better because someone speculates things could be fine without any real indication why. So maybe that's just something I don't get.

    My take on the next expansion is that revenue is up for GW2 and considerably so. The last few quarters show a 50% increase in revenue. That means that the micro-transactions are doing really well. For their business model it's important to keep a good stream of revenue so it's better for them to delay the expansion until they really need it, meaning when gem store sales start going down. That makes sense to me in a long term plan, but it's also why I don't like micro-transactions because it's not great for the players that they are rewarded with a delay in content for spending more on the game.

    I get what you mean, but I think you're latching on to two words I used in my original post a bit too much, its just language is all. I dont believe my theories about a game would soothe the masses so to speak 😅

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    So please elaborate where race matters and what features can be added only by adding a new race and by no other means. I'm all ears.

    Let me answer your question with a question. seeing as you think race doesn't matter, when you entered the character creation screen im assuming you picked a race at random then? Because race doesn't matter right? I highly doubt that. You pick a race based on what appeals to you about their Lore, appearance and overall feel. If race really didnt matter as you say, you would have face rolled character creation and picked all options at random.

    I dont know if the game isnt making it clear for you, but the Personal Story, Living World and Expansion Questlines are all letting you know that this is a story driven game. If you didnt want an MMORPG (note the RPG part there) then you should've picked a different game.

    But to answer your initial question, a new Race would bring an entire new Personal Story, map completion in the racial capital with new vistas, landmarks, cultural armor vendor and (I know you couldnt care less) but a lot of additional lore to the game.

    To answer your question with an answer, an answer you'd know had you read my first post. Yes race matters in terms of visuals and roleplay. I chose many chars to be sylvari because of their lore and their look, I rerolled my warrior from charr to norn as I didn't like the animations on the big catcow. I chose my ele to be an asura as it fitted my imagination of an elementalist the best, that's also why my engi is a charr. Yes, race matters FOR VISUALS. In gameplay-terms, as I have stated numerous times in my first post which you obviosly didn't read, race doesn't matter and I like it like that. I like that every race can play every class, go everywhere, do everything and that racial skills are sub par on purpose to not make certain races better or more desireable than others.

    Now to answer your argument with a few counter arguments, as that is usually the way things go in a discussion. In personal story, your race stops mattering after the first 5 missions, after that it all revolves around your order and then the fight against Zhaitan. In post-core story your race matters in such a tiny way, a few lines of dialoge here and there, that it's hard to argue that it matters at all. Map completion is not in any way shape or form tied to race, I don't know where you get that from. Allthough humans and charr have been fighting for decades, despite the fact that asura have used sylvari for terrible experiments, I can freely roam the other races capital w/o anything changing for me as a player. New Lore, hmm...haven't we learned a lot about other non playable races and cultures so far w/o having them playable? I know a few things about the kodan w/o playing one. New map...well, ANet added 20+ maps to the core game so far w/o introducing a new race, worked well so far I'd say. Cultural Armor, goes the same line as new maps. Many new armors have been introduced to the game w/o the hassle of adding a new race so far.

    So may I ask you again to elaborate on something beside the visuals that can only be achieved by introducing a new race?

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:
    People are worried that we won't even be seeing another expansion and I want to alleviate those concerns by saying that I do believe that the expansion is already in the works as we speak. The reason behind the release of season 5 before the next expansion will be to tide us over until the next expansion release, which will be a BIG one. Why do I think the next expansion will be a big one you ask? Well it all comes down to each 'Gimmick' each expansion has, and the new gimmick next expansion will bring.

    I share this opinion, I have no doubt we'll see another expansion after season 5 and I do believe it will be a big, tradiitional style expansion which is what fans have been asking for since HoT failed to deliver it.
    I've enjoyed both HoT and PoF but I do feel that if the 3rd expansion fails to impress those who want that big expansion experience.. they may not stick around for the next one.

    That question leads me to the reason that I believe the next expansion will be a while off (but is most certainly in the works). Seeing as we don't have much else to add, I reckon the next thing we are going to get alongside our new set of Elite Specialisations is a brand new race, most likely the Tengu. Adding in a new race is a monumental task when you consider all the factors that go into adding them with reference to how Guild Wars 2 works. New Texture mapping for EVERY ITEM IN THE GAME and the new items introduced in the next expansion. Animations for every class, Personal story with all branching paths to be written, new Racial city, additions to the existing lore and so on.

    I really can't see this being possible.. the work load for a new race is simply far to big.
    I'd love a Tengu in Gw2 myself but unless we're getting a whole new continent with a stand alone story like Gw1 expansion/releases.. a new race simply isnt going to happen.
    There would have to be so many changes to the personal story etc just to fit them into the game world without conflicts.. and considering race in Gw2 is completely irrelevant after completing the first bunch of personal story mission this would just be a colossal waste of the devs time tbh.
    We would get a lot more out of adding a Tengu NPC to our story guild team than being able to play one..
    It's also a lot easier and quicker to make a Tengu combat tonic.

    I don't know what the next expansion gimmic is.. tbh I don't even care if there is one or not.
    I'd be more than happy to see another batch of mounts tbh.. a proper flying mount would be great, as would an underwater mount.
    We could also have mounts exclusive to specific regions of the world.. a mount that can only exist in the mists.. or one that allows us to burrow into the depths of the world giving us a whole new subterranean world map where parts of it can only be accessed by burrowing from certain points all over the surface Tyria map.
    Just some examples I could come up with which sounded cool to me ^^

    Either way i'm really looking forward to finding out what comes next :D

  • Timo.1065Timo.1065 Member ✭✭✭

    In my opinion game grown to much. We have lots on meta events, lots of new maps, lots of everything and not enough players for that.
    Anet will end currnet story in seson 5 with big BOOM at the end, and next we will get new game.
    All know Fashion Wars is GW2 meta. Devs will implement all sets of armors and weapons into the new game so change will be painless.
    And fun will start again.

  • @Timo.1065 said:
    In my opinion game grown to much. We have lots on meta events, lots of new maps, lots of everything and not enough players for that.
    Anet will end currnet story in seson 5 with big BOOM at the end, and next we will get new game.
    All know Fashion Wars is GW2 meta. Devs will implement all sets of armors and weapons into the new game so change will be painless.
    And fun will start again.

    Politely disagree, and for the reason you gave. Guild wars doesnt have the playerbase for a third iteration in the series and in a volatile game market like we have today, it'd be a huge risk to try and make another MMO from scratch with an already limited playerbase. If Living World Season 5 is a hit, followed by an amazing Expansion, then there might be the playerbase for a third game. But from a marketing standpoint, it'd be suicide to try and release another MMO now.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mea.5491 said:
    I will never understand people's obsession with expansions. I'd be happy with living world forever. -shrugs-

    Same here.

    For expansions to be continuously added they would need to address the issues with the core game coding (spaghetti code) which they have said repeatedly they can't. How can you sell an expansion in 2019-20 for a game that continues to run on Dx9? Blizzard has repeatedly revamped their game engine which does increase the min system requirements, but also insures smooth performance.

    IMO the best course of action going forward is small incremental changes, which to me means more Living Story; just continue the story going in the existing game with the existing professions and specs, and tweak what you can when you can. I think that will keep players going for at least a few more years, as well as there are players who just log in to PvP/WvW, do Fractals or open world - to whom extra story and maps aren't even relevant.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    So please elaborate where race matters and what features can be added only by adding a new race and by no other means. I'm all ears.

    Let me answer your question with a question. seeing as you think race doesn't matter, when you entered the character creation screen im assuming you picked a race at random then? Because race doesn't matter right? I highly doubt that. You pick a race based on what appeals to you about their Lore, appearance and overall feel. If race really didnt matter as you say, you would have face rolled character creation and picked all options at random.

    I dont know if the game isnt making it clear for you, but the Personal Story, Living World and Expansion Questlines are all letting you know that this is a story driven game. If you didnt want an MMORPG (note the RPG part there) then you should've picked a different game.

    But to answer your initial question, a new Race would bring an entire new Personal Story, map completion in the racial capital with new vistas, landmarks, cultural armor vendor and (I know you couldnt care less) but a lot of additional lore to the game.

    All that is possible without a new race tho.
    Instead of cultural armor for 1 race it could be added to all 5 of em. ( wishfull thinking I know.)
    Why lock a personal story for 1 race when you can just continue the story for all 5 races.
    Instead of a racial city make it a neutral one like amnoon that all 5 races can map complete.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2019

    @lokh.2695 said:

    @Ahtuno.8537 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    So please elaborate where race matters and what features can be added only by adding a new race and by no other means. I'm all ears.

    Let me answer your question with a question. seeing as you think race doesn't matter, when you entered the character creation screen im assuming you picked a race at random then? Because race doesn't matter right? I highly doubt that. You pick a race based on what appeals to you about their Lore, appearance and overall feel. If race really didnt matter as you say, you would have face rolled character creation and picked all options at random.

    I dont know if the game isnt making it clear for you, but the Personal Story, Living World and Expansion Questlines are all letting you know that this is a story driven game. If you didnt want an MMORPG (note the RPG part there) then you should've picked a different game.

    But to answer your initial question, a new Race would bring an entire new Personal Story, map completion in the racial capital with new vistas, landmarks, cultural armor vendor and (I know you couldnt care less) but a lot of additional lore to the game.

    So may I ask you again to elaborate on something beside the visuals that can only be achieved by introducing a new race?

    So there's nothing?

    If you want X, and Y is needed to get get X, you also have to want Y if you really want X. If you don't want Y, you don't want X. It's easy.
    Pro: Build Templates, Dungeon Rework, UW content
    Contra: New Races, New Classes, New Weapons, Capes

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