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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2019

    @Nemmar.8491 said:
    I mean, i shouldn't even bother to explain basic things to people.
    Vertical progression allows things like for example being able to get ascended gear with the living map currencies and have the end-game gear drop from the actual greastest challenge in the game. This is not "grind", it's called PROGRESSION.

    You can already get ascended gear from living map currencies, and legendary armor from raids. And if the raids are to remain challenging, why would they offer gear meant to make them less challenging?

    It populates both the outer world and the instanced world.

    It also completely kills any content that doesn't offer those gear. LS4 kills LS3. PoF raids kill HoT raids etc. Because if it's gear progression, it isn't going to stop at any point, and each new content is going to invalidate the previous one.

    Wich is what GW2 does not have and needs. At this point, to get into end-content you need to have an ascended set already

    You really don't. I did quite well initially with exotic armor and ascended trinkets from LS3 on by banner PS warrior. My healer was originally in exotics (ascalon catacombs set) and noone even commented on it.

    I know you guys are probably still here cause you don't care. But, most people do.

    Most people do care. That is why we don't have any gear progression - the reaction of people to Anet trying to introduce it by a backdoor back in 2012 was anything but small, and told the devs the community doesn't want it.

    Like for example a new player that want to come in and tank or heal for their guild. Do you know how much work they have to put in before they can?

    Yes, i do. They can be geared up in weeks, which is much faster than in any gear progression game i have ever seen.

    Exotic gear is useless. It's missing important stats like concentration.

    ...ok, so you don't even know basics of the issue you try to speak of with such "authority".
    Hint: exotic gear can, too, have concentration (and expertise) stats.

    You cannot perform your job efficiently without the proper gear. So, the player either stays in a grind for weeks to craft that gear only to no longer have rewards to look forward to, or just gives up and leaves. I honestly don't care that you refuse to see reality. It is still reality.

    I am really baffled how you refuse to see that in a gear grind game it would be the same. Only, instead of crafting/doing fractals/ls3 maps you'd be doing ls3, then ls4, then dungeons, then tier after tier of fractals, untill finally you've been geared up right for raids. And in gear grind game (unlike in gw2) you wouldn't be able to do raids in exotics, because the difference between gear tiers would be much greater.
    So in truth, gear grind game would be the same, but worse.

    The game needs to change or it will die. It's that simple. If you prefer it dies, so be it. It's your prerogative. You want to go down with the ship. Well... i want to try and save it. Thus i left different feedback. Deal with it.

    The changes you propose would kill the game even faster. So, if you want to save the game, you really need to think of something else.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Zeral.8249Zeral.8249 Member ✭✭
    edited June 29, 2019

    One thing I am hoping to see is a Northern expansion, they've expanded West, then South, so North or East are next... right? Jormag and the Norn influence needs some coverage. Always loved the feeling of when I saw the ''claw of jormag'' world boss and thought ''Woah! that's just an offspring? this will be amazing!''

  • @Balsa.3951 said:
    Mike says with the next LS u will get 9 elite spezialisations [...] and a new way to costumize ur charracter and that all for free!

    Wait, seriously? Will we get new elite specs with the next LS?
    All I care about those expansions are new elite specs, to be honest. A good story would be nice too, but my personal wish is to get a new spec for Elementalist, that allows me to stick into one element, and gives an elite skill that is not useless.

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Frostchant.1523 said:

    @Balsa.3951 said:
    Mike says with the next LS u will get 9 elite spezialisations [...] and a new way to costumize ur charracter and that all for free!

    Wait, seriously? Will we get new elite specs with the next LS?
    All I care about those expansions are new elite specs, to be honest. A good story would be nice too, but my personal wish is to get a new spec for Elementalist, that allows me to stick into one element, and gives an elite skill that is not useless.

    Wait a sec, i never read that. I would like a link to this

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2019

    @Balsa.3951 said:
    Mike says with the next LS u will get 9 elite spezialisations [...] and a new way to costumize ur charracter and that all for free!

    Link for proof or it never happened.

    @Nemmar.8491 said:
    Exotic gear is useless. It's missing important stats like concentration.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Attribute_combinations - This goes for exotic, ascended and legendary gear.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2019

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:
    I think this is starting to worry a lot of players actually. I love the Living World, but no more expansions would be very hard to swallow.

    Living World is cool, it makes you feel big, like you're the center of the universe. But lots of games do that. MMO's like Guild Wars are at their best when they make you feel like a tiny speck in a vast world. Stepping into the Heart of Maguuma and Elona made me feel small like that. Living World is great but it just can't do that.

    I doubt Anet will confirm or deny a new expansion, but I see a lot of people starting to worry and I think just knowing that there is one being worked on for someday, even just the indeterminate future after Season 5, would greatly reassure people.

    Couldn't agree more.

    I enjoy living world too, but it's no replacement for expansions..
    I want my big, paid, content dump expansion content in Gw2.. if the rest of the game's story will be essentially free episodic updates then i'm going to be very disappointed.
    The nature of living world tends to be.. introduction mission.. run around map talking to NPC's/completing hearts.. do another instance or mission.. more running around talking to NPC's or doing some kind of fetch quest or go here and place something.. then finally big epic finale mission.
    It gets a little tedious a times tbh.. not so much when the episode is new, but on repeat playthroughs playing a seasons episodes back to back.. you do notice it and it does get very tedious.
    Then there's the new maps.. and the content in those maps.
    Pretty much all of Living world from 3 onwards especially has been introduce a new map with a unique new currency and have people grind events and nodes for some new toys and skins.. it gets very repetitive tbh and that's usually why I only play the new maps for a week or so, get a few things I want and then go off and do something else like level an alt or something.

    While there are no doubt some really epic moments in the living world.. the episodic formula living world uses not to mention the waiting period between releases just doesn't compete with the large content dump that an expansion provides.

  • Acheron.4731Acheron.4731 Member ✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:
    I think this is starting to worry a lot of players actually. I love the Living World, but no more expansions would be very hard to swallow.

    Living World is cool, it makes you feel big, like you're the center of the universe. But lots of games do that. MMO's like Guild Wars are at their best when they make you feel like a tiny speck in a vast world. Stepping into the Heart of Maguuma and Elona made me feel small like that. Living World is great but it just can't do that.

    I doubt Anet will confirm or deny a new expansion, but I see a lot of people starting to worry and I think just knowing that there is one being worked on for someday, even just the indeterminate future after Season 5, would greatly reassure people.

    Couldn't agree more.

    I enjoy living world too, but it's no replacement for expansions..
    I want my big, paid, content dump expansion content in Gw2.. if the rest of the game's story will be essentially free episodic updates then i'm going to be very disappointed.
    The nature of living world tends to be.. introduction mission.. run around map talking to NPC's/completing hearts.. do another instance or mission.. more running around talking to NPC's or doing some kind of fetch quest or go here and place something.. then finally big epic finale mission.
    It gets a little tedious a times tbh.. not so much when the episode is new, but on repeat playthroughs playing a seasons episodes back to back.. you do notice it and it does get very tedious.
    Then there's the new maps.. and the content in those maps.
    Pretty much all of Living world from 3 onwards especially has been introduce a new map with a unique new currency and have people grind events and nodes for some new toys and skins.. it gets very repetitive tbh and that's usually why I only play the new maps for a week or so, get a few things I want and then go off and do something else like level an alt or something.

    While there are no doubt some really epic moments in the living world.. the episodic formula living world uses not to mention the waiting period between releases just doesn't compete with the large content dump that an expansion provides.

    I agree. I am not a big fan of living world episodes myself. There is no real new 'mechanic' just repetitive grind for currency if you need it to build gear but with legendary armor and easily available ascended trinkets/accessories even that is not necessary anymore. Without new elite specs things just get stale and there is little to no shake-up with balance patches (or unbalance patches) to offset the boredom. Maybe if new "skills" or weapon abilities were introduced it would be a different story but short of that....no thanks.

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  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Acheron.4731 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:
    I think this is starting to worry a lot of players actually. I love the Living World, but no more expansions would be very hard to swallow.

    Living World is cool, it makes you feel big, like you're the center of the universe. But lots of games do that. MMO's like Guild Wars are at their best when they make you feel like a tiny speck in a vast world. Stepping into the Heart of Maguuma and Elona made me feel small like that. Living World is great but it just can't do that.

    I doubt Anet will confirm or deny a new expansion, but I see a lot of people starting to worry and I think just knowing that there is one being worked on for someday, even just the indeterminate future after Season 5, would greatly reassure people.

    Couldn't agree more.

    I enjoy living world too, but it's no replacement for expansions..
    I want my big, paid, content dump expansion content in Gw2.. if the rest of the game's story will be essentially free episodic updates then i'm going to be very disappointed.
    The nature of living world tends to be.. introduction mission.. run around map talking to NPC's/completing hearts.. do another instance or mission.. more running around talking to NPC's or doing some kind of fetch quest or go here and place something.. then finally big epic finale mission.
    It gets a little tedious a times tbh.. not so much when the episode is new, but on repeat playthroughs playing a seasons episodes back to back.. you do notice it and it does get very tedious.
    Then there's the new maps.. and the content in those maps.
    Pretty much all of Living world from 3 onwards especially has been introduce a new map with a unique new currency and have people grind events and nodes for some new toys and skins.. it gets very repetitive tbh and that's usually why I only play the new maps for a week or so, get a few things I want and then go off and do something else like level an alt or something.

    While there are no doubt some really epic moments in the living world.. the episodic formula living world uses not to mention the waiting period between releases just doesn't compete with the large content dump that an expansion provides.

    I agree. I am not a big fan of living world episodes myself. There is no real new 'mechanic' just repetitive grind for currency if you need it to build gear but with legendary armor and easily available ascended trinkets/accessories even that is not necessary anymore. Without new elite specs things just get stale and there is little to no shake-up with balance patches (or unbalance patches) to offset the boredom. Maybe if new "skills" or weapon abilities were introduced it would be a different story but short of that....no thanks.

    Nothing beats an expansion, the amount of zones and content cant be reproduced in a living world episode. It gives people a good long amount of time and content to play through.

  • MokahTGS.7850MokahTGS.7850 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2019

    @Tiviana.2650 said:
    It gives people a good long amount of time and content to play through.

    **looks back at all of the "There isn't enough content, when does season x start??" threads a week after the expansions are released...

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MokahTGS.7850 said:

    @Tiviana.2650 said:
    It gives people a good long amount of time and content to play through.

    **looks back at all of the "There isn't enough content, when does season x start??" threads a week after the expansions are released...

    Well you will always have burners, they burn through the expansion in a weeks time. That is not the norm, even wow that has a truckload of content has burners on the forums complaining they did every thing a few days after release. Now where i can see a problem is gw2 lack of defined questing paths. In most games you drop an expansion, get a lead in story to go to the new area, then you get involved with the locals, and start doing stories and quests for them, at the same time gaining a foothold in the area. All this leads up to completing the zone and leading to the next step and the next zone. GW2 dont really play that way, thats both good and bad i suppose, but yeah i can see people burning through story chapters, because they dont take long, and open world is not really quest linked.

  • Omernon.9762Omernon.9762 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2019

    If they had any plans for future expansion, then they are most likely working on it as we speak. It might not be lighting speed effort, more like creating assets or some initial locations so that they can occupy some of their employees that are not needed anywhere else. In any case, we should know a bit more about their plans half way through Season 5 when some controlled leaks will start to happen.

    I’m also more inclined to believe that new expansion will take place in Cantha or some similarly vast and unexplored place and Living World Season 5 will take us further into the north (either further into Charr Homelands or into Far Shiverpeaks (or both at the same time)). I’m also inclined to think there is one more possibility - underworld where dwarves and Asura fought Primordus. ANet proved multiple times that they can design underground locations pretty well.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2019

    @Omernon.9762 said:
    If they had any plans for future expansion, then they are most likely working on it as we speak.

    If they were working on one, it would have made it into their long-term plans they mentioned in that blog post after layoffs. Remember, expansion is a big thing. Just mentioning there's one being worked on would have done wonders to quell the uncertainty many players now feel about GW2 future - even if it was followed by a mention that it's not close to being ready. Instead of that, all we heard is Anet talking about how they see the future of GW2 in Living World delivery system.

    Anyone that still believes there's an expac coming, and are predicting where it is going to send us (Cantha, for sure...) is dreaming, and will almost certainly end up heavily disappointed.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • I have a feeling Season 5 will have expansion like content in it (more than 6 episodes, elite specs, more than one mount etc.) and we will be headed to Far Shiverpeaks for a bit (possibly 6 episodes of that) and then east into the Blood Legion Homelands (last 6 episodes) we shall wait and see what the 30th announces to us~

  • If Anet attempts to pass the LS5 off as an expansion like they did prior to HoT the results will be the same and it will amount to a nail in the coffin of a great game. Regardless of the content promised it will lead to a major loss of interest to many who have heard all this before, so I'll leave this here as it is absolutely relevant; Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vlad Morbius.1759 said:
    If Anet attempts to pass the LS5 off as an expansion like they did prior to HoT the results will be the same and it will amount to a nail in the coffin of a great game. Regardless of the content promised it will lead to a major loss of interest to many who have heard all this before, so I'll leave this here as it is absolutely relevant; Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    It depends if LS5 will be like previous LS or they try something completely new and expansion-like this time. New Elite Specializations, new mastery abilities, new expansive maps that offer multiple different stories instead of focusing on a single story point, loads of new armors/weapons to be acquired in-game and so on, is what makes an expansion for me and what we don't get in the Living World.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LadyGal.8365 said:
    I have a feeling Season 5 will have expansion like content in it (more than 6 episodes, elite specs, more than one mount etc.)

    If they could do that, then why wouldn't they bundle it up and sell as an expansion, getting better PR, and additional, not so insignificant income from box sales to boot? I mean, i don't see what they'd get from it to balance the loss of income.

    The only reason i can think why they might give us an LS season with an "expansion-like content" is because it wouldn't really be truly equal to an expansion worth of content.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @LadyGal.8365 said:
    I have a feeling Season 5 will have expansion like content in it (more than 6 episodes, elite specs, more than one mount etc.)

    If they could do that, then why wouldn't they bundle it up and sell as an expansion, getting better PR, and additional, not so insignificant income from box sales to boot? I mean, i don't see what they'd get from it to balance the loss of income.

    The only reason i can think why they might give us an LS season with an "expansion-like content" is because it wouldn't really be truly equal to an expansion worth of content.

    I can think of a few reasons:
    a) Season 5 episodes can start releasing much sooner than an expansion. If they went for expansion, there might be a need for a lengthy content drought, those aren't fun.
    b) It could be that they are re-thinking the expansion idea as a whole. Either because they want to go back to Season 1 system or to find another way of releasing their expansions.

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I dont understand why they wouldnt make an expansion, unless they have no plans to further the game. That would mean maint mode imo.

  • Xenon.4537Xenon.4537 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vlad Morbius.1759 said:
    If Anet attempts to pass the LS5 off as an expansion... it will lead to a major loss of interest to many who have heard all this before...

    Pretty much this. I was there for the entire S1 experiment. It was a failure back then. The community outcry for real, meaty content was even worse back then than it is now. If anet tries to go back to that, they will just end up driving whats left of their veteran fans away.

    I don't care what anyone says. The living world is not a proper format for delivering substantive content. It's filler fluff. That's why it's free and only takes 2 hours to complete. I'd rather pay money for something I can really sink my teeth into.

  • After today's "big announcement" I'm about to give up all hope for new elite specs, but small part of me is still faithful.
    Untill I will get straight answer, if I should expect new elite specs, that is.

  • I am absolutely embarrassed for them at this point, and man are they totally out of touch with their player base! This was such an overhype for so minimal amount of content it made me uncomfortable to watch it once I realized there was nothing of substance. I feel bad for all those who pushed to build this game over the last decade, I'd be crushed to see where this has been taken and how many golden opportunities were missed.
    I hope this gives them the black eye they deserve and that the management team gets bounced and replaced by people who actually want to continue to grow the game.

    All in all this left me feeling pretty hollow, and now I'm certain this game is headed for life support, as it wasn't even an attempt to deliver the "expansion worth of content in LW"....it was, well nothing to do about nothing!

  • @Vlad Morbius.1759 said:
    I am absolutely embarrassed for them at this point, and man are they totally out of touch with their player base! This was such an overhype for so minimal amount of content it made me uncomfortable to watch it once I realized there was nothing of substance. I feel bad for all those who pushed to build this game over the last decade, I'd be crushed to see where this has been taken and how many golden opportunities were missed.
    I hope this gives them the black eye they deserve and that the management team gets bounced and replaced by people who actually want to continue to grow the game.

    All in all this left me feeling pretty hollow, and now I'm certain this game is headed for life support, as it wasn't even an attempt to deliver the "expansion worth of content in LW"....it was, well nothing to do about nothing!

    I've got a similar feeling though I'm not quite as devastated or mad as some of the other people have been, I did take what good I could from the announcement considering there was some good news. However, I don't feel GW2 is on life support and I'm gonna try to take this Saga format as the last long road to either an expansion at the end or not. Hoping for the former.

    Potential requires action in order to be realized.

  • Greg.7086Greg.7086 Member ✭✭

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:
    I think this is starting to worry a lot of players actually. I love the Living World, but no more expansions would be very hard to swallow.

    Living World is cool, it makes you feel big, like you're the center of the universe. But lots of games do that. MMO's like Guild Wars are at their best when they make you feel like a tiny speck in a vast world. Stepping into the Heart of Maguuma and Elona made me feel small like that. Living World is great but it just can't do that.

    I doubt Anet will confirm or deny a new expansion, but I see a lot of people starting to worry and I think just knowing that there is one being worked on for someday, even just the indeterminate future after Season 5, would greatly reassure people.

    ^^ Very nice post, totally agree.

    I'm not one to think about what "might" come in Gw2 as I constantly see players speculating on everything from i) New Elite Specs, ii) WvW re-work, iii) PvP re-work, iv) UW expansion : This is all just "pipe-dreams" and just leads you to become impatient, frustrated, annoyed and resting on "hope" which imo is a futile waste of your time and energy, and if nothing else can lead you into a black hole of doom and oblivion: So try not to go there to speculate "What ? When? Why? If? " Anet will do whatever they will do, not that I agree with all of their decisions at all, but it's their job to create, design, implement new content: So I'm not putting my "hope" in that basket and then be shot to flames.

    For the majority of players it could well be very inspiring of Anet to actually state they will launch a 3rd Expansion in 2022. I think most wouldn't mind the 3 year wait: Would just relish the Communication. I think the effect of actually saying this would be massively positive on the community and could inspire players on many different levels (new players, and old-timers alike) and am sure server numbers would grow over this period; but personally I don't even think or hope about stuff like this, as you just set yourself up for disappointment when things don't happen.

    It's the chain of "Chinese Whispers" that is more damaging: One player starts speculating about new changes, others getting talking about it in game on forum, it spreads like a virus, and then you get an impatient or salty forum post or poll when it does not happen or their is no communication from Anet, and this just breeds more negativity and impatience, so nothing more than a destructive exercise for everyone.

    I personally just enjoy playing the game as it is here and now, if and when we get new content then fantastic. But I certainly wouldn't be dragged into that mindless abyss of speculation and hope. It's a waste of mental energy.

  • If am not mistaken they told as months ago that for now we will keep on going to living story from living story ! Some people don't like that but I think its cool the fact that they give you "free" content and it build up the excitement ! Many said that the next season will be a fail before even playing it but I feel like it will be a build up for a new expansion ! Obviously a LS season takes up to a year from start to finish so for the next year 2019-2020 we will have LS episodes but not to promise anything if there's going to be an expansion there is going to be a teaser/trailer for the expansion at the last episode of the season !

    I mean ok this year they did almost the same with aurine flying away but didn't really showed the upcoming "dangers" ! Personally I have high hopes and I feel like the next season is promising but I wish for it to be good in terms of content !

  • i just want to add that I would really like to see a new expansion as well, I found yesterday's announcement disappointing and overhyped. I would especially like to see new specialisations and with that weapons

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @smashgodlight.6584 said:
    If am not mistaken they told as months ago that for now we will keep on going to living story from living story ! Some people don't like that but I think its cool the fact that they give you "free" content and it build up the excitement ! Many said that the next season will be a fail before even playing it but I feel like it will be a build up for a new expansion ! Obviously a LS season takes up to a year from start to finish so for the next year 2019-2020 we will have LS episodes but not to promise anything if there's going to be an expansion there is going to be a teaser/trailer for the expansion at the last episode of the season !

    I mean ok this year they did almost the same with aurine flying away but didn't really showed the upcoming "dangers" ! Personally I have high hopes and I feel like the next season is promising but I wish for it to be good in terms of content !

    Its closer to 2 years with the 4 months release cadence + breaks for hollidays and festivals etc.

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 31, 2019

    If LS 5 is as other LS, if will be 6 episodes, with an episode every 3 month, Prolog will start 17.9., episode 1 sometimes later, LS5 will keep us busy till at least mid 2021!
    A bit early to speculate what happens afterwards.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Most likely yes. This is likely the lead up to the expansion like Lw2 was for HoT. Hot was revealed at the end of LW2. Before then there was no word of if there would ever be an expansion since Anet said there wasn't.

  • hellsqueen.3045hellsqueen.3045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vlad Morbius.1759 said:
    "Mike Zadorojny.7058 ArenaNet ›
    January 8, 2019
    We talked about wanting to release expansion level stories and features over the next couple years. Our goal is to create powerful moments like the final instance of this episode that are a culmination of multiple departments and raise the bar for what it means to be a Guild Wars 2 experience."

    The more i read this quote the more i'm beginning to think that once again LS is being staged to replace expansions which failed miserably in the past. I'm hoping i'm wrong on this because i distinctly remember reading there were multiple teams, some working on LS and some working on expansions, unfortunately i can't find that quote. Anyway without telling us the who, what, where , when and why can you (Anet) at least confirm there is another expansion being developed?

    I don't understand why they would change their expansion purchasing style if they don't intend to release another expansion.
    Like, why make the earlier stages/stories of the game more accessible for a Living World story that is limited to being given out for free for only a small amount of time for moments that fulfill gaps in information that are fun to puzzle out a mystery if you are a story lover until big story and content drops (until recently with LWS4).

    Living World is nice for a story lover who is always itching for more, even if it is small and filled with various smaller/larger character development and general mystery about why things are happening.
    Like, Living World S2 and S3 were really fantastic.
    Why?

    Well, in both of these stories you are just following a trail of bread crumbs. Yeah, there is bosses and baddies and there is information but bigger than that is that all of these trails eventually lead you to a big baddy reveal.

    S2 lead you to Mordremoth and the real reason there were Sylvari losing their marbles and into the expansion where you had one focus and one goal, very obvious progression of do whatever it takes to get to the Big Baddy. You learned all the smaller details you needed in the living world that fulfills more for a story loving player but one that isn't required for those that do not love the story.

    S3 was quite the same, you were following a trail and confused and eventually you have your big baddy reveal of Balth and the truth of what he is doing. You fought big enemies along the way and did a lot of good, but you did all your small learning and growth in the LW. A nice set up and bridge gap to the next big bad.

    Why do what they did with LWS4 and completely undermine that kind of soft setup into big Expacs?
    Why change their buy model of the expansions to make the game more accessible if they don't intend to create another one?

    Announcing an expansion and then mentioning a change in the buy model would have been a fantastic way to entice new players!
    "After Living World Season 5 releases, it will lead you to the next big chapter in the GW2 universe Blank Expansion but to know where this expansion is going to be taking you, you'll have to follow the story laid out in LWS5 and here is a sneak peak." Then drop the fantastic trailer they dropped today.
    Then after that drop the "With a new expansion on the table, we want it to be easier than ever to start your story journey in the GW2 universe. We once made the journey into the base story easier and now we would like to make that entry easier again, so from today onwards Path Of Fire will be the only purchase you need to make because it will now not only unlock the base game but Heart of Thorns content as well and for those with only Path of Fire can expect to have HoT unlocked for you., etc."

    It just doesn't make sense to make the world we all love easier to get into if there isn't something genuinely huge.
    The live show is concerning and these changes are concerning for what little they mentioned to giving to us.
    This does not instill faith about their commitment for the game.

    That being said, I have no intention of jumping ship.
    Jumping ship does not fix the game, that kind of behavior can end the game and that kind of dramatic response does not get ANet to change their minds.
    That kind of response makes them not take you seriously, but enough well constructed criticisms by people not fueled by hate and negative emotions are going to do more to get this game the care and love it needs.

    This announcement wasn't really for people who already are part of this game, it is for someone who is thinking about joining this game who doesn't realize that Living Worlds aren't huge or big expansions and perhaps sees the concept of free story/content drops as a wonderful selling point to the game especially if you are short on funds and this buy model change enforces that.

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  • AlexxxDelta.1806AlexxxDelta.1806 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sagas are the new expansions. That was the whole point of yesterday's fiasco. An expansion-like live event. But without revealing any expansion-like features it fell flat on its kitten.

    Notice the new Icebrood GW2 logo?Just like the game logo changed for HoT and PoF. I'd wager we are getting a new character screen with Prologue too.

    And I wouldn't be so sure it will follow the same format and cadence as LS. WP's youtube recap mentions they might go for smaller content releases over more episodes than 6.

  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭

    Didn't both expansions tank pretty bad though? I remember reading they didn't do too well. It's not hard to say why they are trying other routes.
    Expansions are at the end of the day a mix of new story, new places, new cosmetics and new systems. If they do it all at once or in pieces isn't important to me, as long as we get them.

  • @Mikali.9651 said:
    I don't know man, but it seems that Anet forgot that MMORPGs are not single player story games. I don't like their forced focus on LS.

    Couldn't have been phrased better. It's like we want to give them money to bring us something big but they instead want to slowly and stagnatingly so release LS

  • I'm completely disappointed in what was delivered and how despite all the warnings and cautionary comments given to Anet they still chose to step in it. Management just cannot see that this isn't what we are interested in and that this format isn't what their player base, the people who support their very livelihood want! I am hoping beyond hope that someone steps in here to take the reigns and lead this team back to where it needs to be because frankly it seems like they are riding the pines so to speak.
    There has been so much wasted potential in a game that should still be seeing massive growth and the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the management group who continue to take the wrong turn at almost every junction.
    There are huge opportunities to continue to grow this franchise and yet, they choose to idle and kitten away opportunities that could generate huge player and cash infusions. My hope is that this finally clicks with someone in the corporate office and they take the necessary steps to reinvigorate this franchise. Look what Blizzard has done with WoW classic, listened to the player base (albeit took a while) and it has generated massive interest, this is a much older franchise people and it's thriving.

    I think the only way we can help save this franchise is to pepper the corporate entities with e-mails, tweets, letters, posts, telling them how much we would be willing to support the growth of GW2 if they would just be honest up front and continue to pour resources into building this up. This is still one of the best Western MMO's in existence and there are boatloads of money to still be made. I wouldn't hesitate to pay for an expansion up front if it would contain the features people have clamored for, if they road mapped all of it out honestly regardless of whether it would still be another 2 years away. This is a great game that is sorely being mismanaged, period!

  • @Healix.5819 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    There's reasons for anet to put more time between xpacs, there's no reason for them to cancel xpaxs

    GW1 Utopia was cancelled.

    Utopia was not an Expac!!! It was going to be a stand alone connectable game they call a Campaign. Utopia is in GW2 with the Chronomancer and some other stuff. They wanted to add things the Original game could not do Like Jumping, Falling, gliding, mounts, and dodging.They used that as the reason GW2 would be made. Now for GW1 players for some It was too different than the original game so some disliked GW2.

    To be honest GW1 did not follow the prescribed formula for what an MMORPG followed and neither does GW2 Why does everything that makes a game have to be coming from Expansions? The living world is brilliant it adds more content than most expansions ever hope to add and its continuous. Don't worry another expansion is coming, but did u ever stop to think the living world also gives them time to make sure any expansion will be great.

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