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Warrior BS Condi/ Power Warrior: Would your normal casual static raid group be ok with 10k dmg avg?

mordefelix.5826mordefelix.5826 Member ✭✭
edited February 13, 2019 in Fractals, Dungeons, and Raids

Hi so I was having a discussion with a fellow guildie and we disagreed on the point that Raid statics are ok with warrior dps being low. The DPS benchmark bars we used were drastically different to indicate what a static would want. I was thinking more around 14k+ average and my colleague thought that statics would be just fine with 10k average. What's the general consensus on this?

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  • Shikaru.7618Shikaru.7618 Member ✭✭✭

    Theres not a blanket number for all bosses. Everything is contextual. A warrior on gors will be doing a lot more dps than a warrior on dhuum running greens. If you want comparisons, I would consult gw2raidar.

  • mordefelix.5826mordefelix.5826 Member ✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019

    I understand that, and I'm not trying to give a narrow perspective. I've done enough raiding to understand at least that there's very different numbers for heavy mechanics based bosses vs. glorified golems. Gw2raidar's average for all bosses, for which 10k average for either power dps/berserker dps seems pretty low . 14k for 50th percentile on berserker warrior and 11.8k for 50th percentile for power warrior. I'm not omitting contextual issues here... I'm asking if you're a warrior hitting 10k dps on average which is lower than the 50th percentile by a significant percentage, are statics going to be ok with that (a holistic perspective in which you would hypothetically consistently be hitting 10-30th percentile over and over again for every single boss in their respective comparisons to others in GW2raidar? )

  • Shikaru.7618Shikaru.7618 Member ✭✭✭

    That's a question for the specific static not for general forum consensus. In the broad spectrum of static raid groups there are super casual groups that are ok just killing w4 boss 123, in which case getting 10k dps is likely fine. Then theres speed runners which will instakick if you pull 10k. Ask your group what standards they want to uphold as a team. If theres misalignment, have a team discussion to either get on the same page or acknowledge that the group has differing goals and to start looking for a different group.

  • mordefelix.5826mordefelix.5826 Member ✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019

    Fair enough, but would like just literally a direct opinion to my question, which I have not gotten at all. I'm not asking for anything else, you assumed this is a discussion I had with a static member and there's some disagreement with my group, I said guildie member, not my static. They're fine with my dps and I'm hitting above the 50th percentile on wings/bosses I'm comfortable with so you can see why I would be asking this question in disagreement with my guildie. The nature of my question is literally a general consensus question, but I can see how this doesn't seem applicable. I'll rephrase. "Would your normal casual static raid group be ok with a warrior hitting 10k dps average on every pull comparable to GW2 raidar statistics from wing 1-4?"

  • TexZero.7910TexZero.7910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    For a normal casual static, they're likely not using DPS meters to begin with.
    So yes, that's probably passable but could be better.

  • Thank you. (And wow I didn't know that was a thing to not use DPS meters for raids)

  • Shikaru.7618Shikaru.7618 Member ✭✭✭

    @mordefelix.5826 said:
    Fair enough, but would like just literally a direct opinion to my question, which I have not gotten at all. I'm not asking for anything else, you assumed this is a discussion I had with a static member and there's some disagreement with my group, I said guildie member, not my static. They're fine with my dps and I'm hitting above the 50th percentile on wings/bosses I'm comfortable with so you can see why I would be asking this question in disagreement with my guildie. The nature of my question is literally a general consensus question, but I can see how this doesn't seem applicable. I'll rephrase. "Would your normal casual static raid group be ok with a warrior hitting 10k dps average on every pull comparable to GW2 raidar statistics from wing 1-4?"

    Likely yes as long as you're clearing.

  • Thank you appreciate it

  • Often it is 50-60% of top DPS, may be 70-80% with discipline instead of tactic in condi compo like Murssat.

  • Makes sense, Yeah I typically run discipline, tactics is nice for power oriented bosses though

  • sokeenoppa.5384sokeenoppa.5384 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mordefelix.5826 said:
    Hi so I was having a discussion with a fellow guildie and we disagreed on the point that Raid statics are ok with warrior dps being low. The DPS benchmark bars we used were drastically different to indicate what a static would want. I was thinking more around 14k+ average and my colleague thought that statics would be just fine with 10k average. What's the general consensus on this?

    In My group i would expect our Warrior to reach More or less bencmark numbers against golem. In actual Raid scenario its ok If bs does few k less dps than 5th dps class.

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  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2019

    @sokeenoppa.5384 said:

    @mordefelix.5826 said:
    Hi so I was having a discussion with a fellow guildie and we disagreed on the point that Raid statics are ok with warrior dps being low. The DPS benchmark bars we used were drastically different to indicate what a static would want. I was thinking more around 14k+ average and my colleague thought that statics would be just fine with 10k average. What's the general consensus on this?

    In My group i would expect our Warrior to reach More or less bencmark numbers against golem. In actual Raid scenario its ok If bs does few k less dps than 5th dps class.

    This. Maybe not quite benchmark, but definitely 70-80% for medium raid performance.

    Not sure why people are throwing around numbers like 10k or 14k, that's highly boss dependent. If you want to compare your performance, go to gw2raidar and check how your performance measures up against specific bosses (or ask for what people consider good dps on a specific boss and get the information that way).

    If we are talking general dps, then the only point of reference would be golem dps and performance. Obviously more is better given the golem just stands there. 10k-14k on golem would in this case be absolutely terrible (given warrior benchmarks are 26k-30k depending on power or condi as bannerslave) since that would translate into way less on actual raid bosses (and probably result in an unvoluntary leave). If you can't even get to 80% of golem benchmark on a target which just stands there, your raid performance would be pretty bad.

  • 10-14k does not mean anything without context, but on most bosses it would be considered low but still sufficient. I never understood why pugs/statics are so ok with massive dps losses on support.

  • I agree. I feel like warriors doing half the damage of dps classes can really make or break scenarios if they can hit more like 70 80 percent of compared dps classes.

  • For my static, normally our warrior's DPS is the DPS check. if you do lower than the warrior then something is wrong. This is considering that our warrior deals around 85th to the 95th percentile on all of the bosses (Pressure! :D)

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