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  • Zhaid Zhem.6508Zhaid Zhem.6508 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2019

    edit nevermind it's ok...

  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 11, 2019

    I'm confused, what is the difference in DPS between
    ChronoX, ChronoRen, and ChronoFire? Because people are acting like the latter is suddenly vastly superior to the former two.

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:
    I'm confused, what is the difference in DPS between
    ChronoX, ChronoRen, and ChronoFire? Because people are acting like the latter is suddenly vastly superior to the former two.

    I think Noone said it, and chrono + FB is the most useless of mentioned. Chrono can cover quickness + Ala, alone so no need for fb here. Druid offers more offensive boons, and chrono + rev can work as well but it will suffer from might in pug groups

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:
    I'm confused, what is the difference in DPS between
    ChronoX, ChronoRen, and ChronoFire? Because people are acting like the latter is suddenly vastly superior to the former two.

    I think Noone said it, and chrono + FB is the most useless of mentioned. Chrono can cover quickness + Ala, alone so no need for fb here. Druid offers more offensive boons, and chrono + rev can work as well but it will suffer from might in pug groups

    Oops I meant ChronoRen, ChronoFire, and Renebrand. What is their DPS difference? Why is ChronoRen worse than Renebrand?

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2019

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:
    I'm confused, what is the difference in DPS between
    ChronoX, ChronoRen, and ChronoFire? Because people are acting like the latter is suddenly vastly superior to the former two.

    I think Noone said it, and chrono + FB is the most useless of mentioned. Chrono can cover quickness + Ala, alone so no need for fb here. Druid offers more offensive boons, and chrono + rev can work as well but it will suffer from might in pug groups

    Oops I meant ChronoRen, ChronoFire, and Renebrand. What is their DPS difference? Why is ChronoRen worse than Renebrand?

    so we go renebrand vs chrono+ x(druid/rene/dps)
    both comps got 2 dps + bs
    now chrono comps:
    chrono deals 10-15k
    druid deals around 3k and adds spirit of frost, glyph of empowerment and spotter(spotter is useless if u got enough ar)
    revenant adds assasins presence, soulcleave summit and alacrity which gives 1 free skill spot for chrono(feedback/mimic), and deals 10-15k as diviner, 3k as healer
    if u take 3rd dps u got additional 30k, and with soulbeast u got frost spirit.

    so in 3 dps comp u got additional 40-45 k dps

    and renebrand comp:
    firebrand that covers quickness, deals 20k dps and has access to tomes, and 1 free utility slot(stand ur ground/wall of reflection)
    diviner rev is as mentioned above. and here is funny thing. i was checking with friend burst rotations for dh and sb with or without kalla elite. on avarage it gives 6k dps incrase for burst. for ele it might be a bit higher. but for 2 dps + bs + fb it will be prolly 20k more.

    so this comp provides additional 50-55k dps, while also providing much better utility in terms of reflects, stability, protection and healing from soulcleave summit(good scholar rune uptime).

    also rev staff 5 is cc eater on big hitboxes. not sure how is chrono now after patch, but prolly it still needs TW for perma quickness. also if chrono miss his wells or tots, uptimes of boons goes massivly down, while fb and rev boons are instant and it just needs u to be close to allies.

    imo only thing that is better in chrono comps are pulls and skips(nothing can replace chrono here(weaver cant skip all fractals the same)), but in terms of dps, survivability and utility firebrigade is just way ahead
    edit: pug revbrand groups also suffers from might uptimes, cuz rene cant keep(im not sure about it entirelly) 25 might, and it can start only with 10 might so it needs prebuffing

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • Daniel Handler.4816Daniel Handler.4816 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:
    I'm confused, what is the difference in DPS between
    ChronoX, ChronoRen, and ChronoFire? Because people are acting like the latter is suddenly vastly superior to the former two.

    I think Noone said it, and chrono + FB is the most useless of mentioned. Chrono can cover quickness + Ala, alone so no need for fb here. Druid offers more offensive boons, and chrono + rev can work as well but it will suffer from might in pug groups

    Oops I meant ChronoRen, ChronoFire, and Renebrand. What is their DPS difference? Why is ChronoRen worse than Renebrand?

    so we go renebrand vs chrono+ x(druid/rene/dps)
    both comps got 2 dps + bs
    now chrono comps:
    chrono deals 10-15k
    druid deals around 3k and adds spirit of frost, glyph of empowerment and spotter(spotter is useless if u got enough ar)
    revenant adds assasins presence, soulcleave summit and alacrity which gives 1 free skill spot for chrono(feedback/mimic), and deals 10-15k as diviner, 3k as healer
    if u take 3rd dps u got additional 30k, and with soulbeast u got frost spirit.

    so in 3 dps comp u got additional 40-45 k dps

    and renebrand comp:
    firebrand that covers quickness, deals 20k dps and has access to tomes, and 1 free utility slot(stand ur ground/wall of reflection)
    diviner rev is as mentioned above. and here is funny thing. i was checking with friend burst rotations for dh and sb with or without kalla elite. on avarage it gives 6k dps incrase for burst. for ele it might be a bit higher. but for 2 dps + bs + fb it will be prolly 20k more.

    so this comp provides additional 50-55k dps, while also providing much better utility in terms of reflects, stability, protection and healing from soulcleave summit(good scholar rune uptime).

    also rev staff 5 is cc eater on big hitboxes. not sure how is chrono now after patch, but prolly it still needs TW for perma quickness. also if chrono miss his wells or tots, uptimes of boons goes massivly down, while fb and rev boons are instant and it just needs u to be close to allies.

    imo only thing that is better in chrono comps are pulls and skips(nothing can replace chrono here(weaver cant skip all fractals the same)), but in terms of dps, survivability and utility firebrigade is just way ahead

    So both ChronRen, and Renebrand have an extra slot for reflects or stab. The difference seems to be 5k dps and one has portal while the other has tomes. I don't see how this is way ahead.

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @Daniel Handler.4816 said:
    I'm confused, what is the difference in DPS between
    ChronoX, ChronoRen, and ChronoFire? Because people are acting like the latter is suddenly vastly superior to the former two.

    I think Noone said it, and chrono + FB is the most useless of mentioned. Chrono can cover quickness + Ala, alone so no need for fb here. Druid offers more offensive boons, and chrono + rev can work as well but it will suffer from might in pug groups

    Oops I meant ChronoRen, ChronoFire, and Renebrand. What is their DPS difference? Why is ChronoRen worse than Renebrand?

    so we go renebrand vs chrono+ x(druid/rene/dps)
    both comps got 2 dps + bs
    now chrono comps:
    chrono deals 10-15k
    druid deals around 3k and adds spirit of frost, glyph of empowerment and spotter(spotter is useless if u got enough ar)
    revenant adds assasins presence, soulcleave summit and alacrity which gives 1 free skill spot for chrono(feedback/mimic), and deals 10-15k as diviner, 3k as healer
    if u take 3rd dps u got additional 30k, and with soulbeast u got frost spirit.

    so in 3 dps comp u got additional 40-45 k dps

    and renebrand comp:
    firebrand that covers quickness, deals 20k dps and has access to tomes, and 1 free utility slot(stand ur ground/wall of reflection)
    diviner rev is as mentioned above. and here is funny thing. i was checking with friend burst rotations for dh and sb with or without kalla elite. on avarage it gives 6k dps incrase for burst. for ele it might be a bit higher. but for 2 dps + bs + fb it will be prolly 20k more.

    so this comp provides additional 50-55k dps, while also providing much better utility in terms of reflects, stability, protection and healing from soulcleave summit(good scholar rune uptime).

    also rev staff 5 is cc eater on big hitboxes. not sure how is chrono now after patch, but prolly it still needs TW for perma quickness. also if chrono miss his wells or tots, uptimes of boons goes massivly down, while fb and rev boons are instant and it just needs u to be close to allies.

    imo only thing that is better in chrono comps are pulls and skips(nothing can replace chrono here(weaver cant skip all fractals the same)), but in terms of dps, survivability and utility firebrigade is just way ahead

    So both ChronRen, and Renebrand have an extra slot for reflects or stab. The difference seems to be 5k dps and one has portal while the other has tomes. I don't see how this is way ahead.

    fb deals better burst dmg than chrono which is important in fractals, plus he has more supportive options. also im not sure how kalla elite works with chronos phantasms. does every phantasm occupy 1 of 5 targets, or it links thru chrono to all at the same time. it justt need testing.

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • Iris Ng.9845Iris Ng.9845 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm sorry but as long as 100 CM still has Slippery Slope, I'd pick FB over Chrono anytime, any days. I don't care about how hardcore people run, I only pug my daily fractals and no amounts of highly skilled chrono can save the run like a fail-safe FB. Pugs bring their own portal nowadays, and if u need cleave, many runs pReaper, so chrono pull isn't that needed anymore.

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Iris Ng.9845 said:
    I'm sorry but as long as 100 CM still has Slippery Slope, I'd pick FB over Chrono anytime, any days. I don't care about how hardcore people run, I only pug my daily fractals and no amounts of highly skilled chrono can save the run like a fail-safe FB. Pugs bring their own portal nowadays, and if u need cleave, many runs pReaper, so chrono pull isn't that needed anymore.

    I got used to guardian gr8sword pulls, it's fine enough to cleave everything down, but last time when I played with chrono, I realized how much I miss this focus 4 :3

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • Zenith.7301Zenith.7301 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Both are viable but if you play NA a lot more idiots will only accept chrono/druid because sheeple will be sheeple.

  • Hex.2579Hex.2579 Member ✭✭✭

    i'm so glad people realize rene/fb is a thing now. they have been before SC posted it. it's just never been accepted into the horizon cuz it's not meta. but off meta filthy like us like build craft and build diversity and new stats are just better and better. people are so stuck up in 1 comp. i mean chrono for boons, and druid for heal, but for rene/fb, the role is kinda blended in. both pump boons that provide for the group. either or both can heal. but we don't need 2 healers in a fractal party. so rock paper scissors for the 2, so they can gear up. it's just an easier choice for rene to heal cuz tablet is op and projectile management. it's gearing for the new set is painful so i bet not a lot of rene/fb out there. but chrono/fb combo works too. help with quickness on chrono.