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  • Zet.9130Zet.9130 Member ✭✭

    With a sad heart I say good-bye. In the good old days of GW1, you became the face of Anet to me. You cordially weathered the onslaughts from the dregs of humanity and kept on topic all the while answering valid questions. Best wishes to you and your future - be well. Ah for one more Conga line with or without the Frog.

  • @Arsenic Ravensknell.7963 said:
    Guys, can we all agree to set up a NEW Farewell to Gaile? (https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Farewell_to_Gaile) She's been family since before the Searing.

    Yeah we should definetly do that.

  • @Thea Cherry.6327 said:

    @Arsenic Ravensknell.7963 said:
    Guys, can we all agree to set up a NEW Farewell to Gaile? (https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Farewell_to_Gaile) She's been family since before the Searing.

    Yeah we should definetly do that.

    I've never been great at networking. Any ideas how we get the word out? Also- when should we do it? I'm thinking LA for the city. Maybe we could reach out to guilds, see if anyone would like to host?

  • Zeivu.3615Zeivu.3615 Member ✭✭✭

    Gaile deserves so much more. She cared about the customer. She cared about the community. She helped me personally in gw1. I don't know about you guys, but I am whipping out my hlyek cap in mourning.

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    Goodbye, beloved Guild Wars 2 Community. I love you all and wish you well in the future.

    sigh I know it sounds pithy but add me to the list of people who started crying when they read that (and this after I already heard the news and read your tweet).

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • artemis.6781artemis.6781 Member ✭✭✭

    How the hell do you get rid of an icon? Thanks for all the memories in GW1 & GW2. Wishing you the best Gaile!

  • Sad :'(
    Thank you so much, and Good Luck, Gaile!

  • kitten! Is NCSoft mentally ill?! I am long time player and I rarely get into the forums but even I know how much Gaile has done for our community. Holy kitten they just lost someone that enhanced their product to a high degree. This is crazy, the amount of good devs being taken out. This just makes it clear as day NCSoft has no clue what they have with GW2 and its potential if it was actually marketed correctly. NCSoft you just lost some of the best kind of employees from your sloppy cuts. I'm also a business owner; I fracking wish, fracking wish I had employees like Gaile! Gaile you will be missed. Thank you for all the awesomeness you gave us throughout the years. It is heart breaking to see you leave.

    Also lying to us about GW2 not being affected. We can clearly see it already has been. Classic corporate ignorance leading to kitten show in an attempt to gain the almighty won. Please, so called big wigs do your market research and not just jump to assumptions. Mobile games aren't the money maker you think they are. It's PvP and accessibility. Putting all your eggs in one basket will just lead you to a complete fail. Why is Fortnight so popular? Because it is across platforms, has low spec requirements, is controller ready, is balanced and is PvP. Not because it's mobile.

    Man, I wanna rage so hard! This is just such an awesome brand and game yet it's being treated like a fail. When the marketing is just not up to pare. When I talk to the gaming community no one even knows about GW2. It's so freaking sad. GW2 Community we need to get the word out and act before it's too late. We need to be more vocal about the awesomeness of this game we love or we can lose it forever. We need to ease up on only doing the community dialog and start an out reach attempt. Since NCSoft doesn't seem to know what to do. My goal is to get at least 10-20 players onto GW2 this coming month. Please guys try to do the same. #TheBestMMORPG #GW2

  • Wow, this is just... I just can't believe this. :'(

  • Tolmos.8395Tolmos.8395 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019

    I'm still promptly in the denial phase, where I'm hoping MO will scrape together some budget money and offer to bring her back on as a 1099 "Community PR Expert Consultant" or some such, if she were so inclined. =D

    As a workaholic who is used to having to dance around corporate bureaucratic nonsense, I embrace the idea that Malicious Compliance is still compliance.

  • Loboling.5293Loboling.5293 Member ✭✭✭

    While not a Gw1 player. (couldn't jump... couldn't play... ;P) I'm disheartened to see how this massive layoff was conducted. Sad to see you go Gaile. Even though I have very little faith right now, I hope this somehow turns into something good for the game. I did feel like the game was heading in a strange direction for a few years. Not completely wrong direction, just some things were quite strange. (Like some of the elite spec balance decisions, which require years of patches to reach a near balance state)

  • Grampybone.3716Grampybone.3716 Member ✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019

    Getting rid of Gaile is the most kitten (because this is beyond kitten) stupid decision NCSoft could make atm. Community is shocked, we need a familiar face to lean on. This is almost like a coup done by NCSoft, like Darth Vader suddenly took over telling us in his heavy breathing sound 'everything is going to be fine (and btw I'm your father)'.

    I feel sorry for every employee they fired and I wish them the very best, but imo losing Gaile is only adding to the impact to community.

    NCSoft, bring back Gaile (and the rest!), and fire some people from your own team, I'm pretty sure there's a few who do their job earning a big fat salary, feeling incredibly important while picking their nose instead. ANet is a family, NCSoft is cold hearted business.

  • robertfordaol.1589robertfordaol.1589 Member ✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019

    We shouldn't forget that Gaile got very many of us back in game when the previous security head honcho instigated the unwarranted ban wave three years ago. I wouldn't be still playing if it wasn't for Gaile.

  • Also cried when I heard...Gaile entered into the game and to me personified what the interface between business and consumers should be. She will be greatly, greatly missed, along with all of those going, who made GW2 my world, and brought me friends and much joy. This is devastating news.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have a great deal of respect for the way she handled herself and the job. I didnt always agree with her but understood her point of view and never felt that she was being intentionally unfair.

    To ms Grey, I am sorry to see you go and wish all the best for you.

  • Such a shame to see such a dedicated and highly appreciated member of the staff, but most important the community, leave for a reason beyond Gaile's own choice.
    All the best on your future endavours Gaile and thanks for 18 years of dedication to what has become one of the most beloved franchises around.

  • I will now apply for her job.

    ~ ▪ ☽ ★ ▪ Y ▪ U ▪ M ▪ I ▪ ★ ☾ ▪ ~

  • Bye Gaile, best of luck.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • rdfaye.4368rdfaye.4368 Member ✭✭✭

    Many, many thanks for your years of hard work. It is very appreciated, and I wish you all the best.

  • Maikimaik.1974Maikimaik.1974 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I live in a country with an enormous amount of laws protecting employees. Lay offs do happen here, but they're very regulated and can only happen for a small number of reasons. Employers are actually not allowed to just lay off some employees, they have to prove that the employee they want to lay off is worse than all their other employees. And even if they're able to prove that, the employees have to be notified about their dismissal several months before they have to go.
    I think it's quite shocking that somebody who has been employed for such a long time is even more likely to be laid off than somebody who's pretty new. It's usually the other way around where I live, as you're almost impossible to be laid off after you've been employed for a certain amount of time. Depending on the job, this can be as early as 17 years.

  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2019

    Bye Gaile. Thank you for all the work you have put into it. I will miss you. :(

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  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phokus.8934 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

    Why is flat out wrong?

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • sinsrock.1702sinsrock.1702 Member ✭✭✭

    wow.. I don't really know what to say.. I remember meeting her for the first time on Pink day in LA when I was 11 Y/o this is really upsetting news to say the least. good luck on your travels you will be missed.

  • ron.6157ron.6157 Member ✭✭

    i'm so confused I saw the post from the 24th saying your on vaction
    now this I have played G. w. / G. w. 2 for years now I have over 30,000 hours of game play in
    and you have been there all this time now I just don't know what in the kittens is going on
    what is going on do I go on playing the one game I in joy and hope every thing is going to be fine
    or do I start looking for some thing new I place this all on NC soft let the CEO get his KITTEN on this forum
    and let the real player base that puts the $$$ in his wallet know #$%^&*

  • @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    The sad thing is, Gaile Gray was the only living proof that at least 1 anet employee reads the forums. With them gone, we no longer have any way of knowing anyone else working at anet knows there’s a forum

    Hm McKenna and Gertz have been active in the EU forums the past years... well they have been let go too.

  • @Thea Cherry.6327 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    The sad thing is, Gaile Gray was the only living proof that at least 1 anet employee reads the forums. With them gone, we no longer have any way of knowing anyone else working at anet knows there’s a forum

    Hm McKenna and Gertz have been active in the EU forums the past years... well they have been let go too.

    Thea, I decided to go ahead and try to organize that meet up we'd discussed. I'd love for you to come.

    Here's the thread for anyone interested: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/69881/lets-show-arenanet-our-love-and-support#latest

  • battledrone.8315battledrone.8315 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

    Why is flat out wrong?

    because the boss of a company doesnt have authority over other companies, he can only fire his OWN people
    if it was possible, dont you think pepsi would have canned all the coke workers?

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

    Why is flat out wrong?

    because the boss of a company doesnt have authority over other companies, he can only fire his OWN people
    if it was possible, dont you think pepsi would have canned all the coke workers?

    I have experience to the contrary in lay offs I have been part of. There is no hard rule to say this is true and circumstances vary company to company.

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • battledrone.8315battledrone.8315 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

    Why is flat out wrong?

    because the boss of a company doesnt have authority over other companies, he can only fire his OWN people
    if it was possible, dont you think pepsi would have canned all the coke workers?

    I have experience to the contrary in lay offs I have been part of. There is no hard rule to say this is true and circumstances vary company to company.

    i dont know where you live, but in my country there are plenty of laws to prevent that...like, you cant touch another mans property without his permission
    there are tons of company lawyers, that spent MONTHS on the paperwork for this exact reason
    the only place where this behavior is accepted would in the mafia

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2019

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

    Why is flat out wrong?

    because the boss of a company doesnt have authority over other companies, he can only fire his OWN people
    if it was possible, dont you think pepsi would have canned all the coke workers?

    Maybe because Pepsi is its own company, not a branch.
    If pepsi was a branch, cocacola could fire them, but wouldn’t want to
    Arenanet is a daughter of NCSoft, a branch company.

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  • Shep.4026Shep.4026 Member ✭✭✭

    Can you make Gaile in Community light way so light come out when exit? Then if Gaile is back after exit, use light on way, and way will be lit after Gaile is out.

  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Crikey this thing happens and suddenly we're all Business experts.
    This thread is now about the community losing a key member of it's heart and many of us are sad to see her go, not to discuss why and how.
    plenty of other threads out there.

  • battledrone.8315battledrone.8315 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

    Why is flat out wrong?

    because the boss of a company doesnt have authority over other companies, he can only fire his OWN people
    if it was possible, dont you think pepsi would have canned all the coke workers?

    Maybe because Pepsi is its own company, not a branch.
    If pepsi was a branch, cocacola could fire them, but wouldn’t want to
    Arenanet is a daughter of NCSoft, a branch company.

    didnt anet claim to be master of their own house?

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @phokus.8934 said:
    Let’s be clear. ANet fired her and not NCSoft.

    In almost every restructure the most tenured, most expensive, and non-essential employees are at the top of the list to be let go. She’s been with ANet for 18 years and was a community manager who was most likely making the very high end of that salary band. Yes she had a deep rooted history but that means nothing when it comes to dollars and cents. Someone else will fill her shoes and life will continue on.

    After reading quite a few threads it’s as if the majority of people here have never had a job/career before. Welcome to the real world.

    I disagree this is "clear"

    We don't know she was fired. She could have volunteered as a few did. She could have been offered something different and not accepted it. Also her salary band is not necs relevant given as a non developer she had no real input and direction in the day to day development or running of the game, I can't imagine her pay was significantly high compared to those who did. She liaised with the community and helped with support and moderation. The decision could have been because they simply do not want that role any more or maybe NCSoft want to handle all community liaisons directly from themselves and they recommended/demanded lay offs in this area.

    Having experienced mass lay offs in the "real world" what actually happens behind the scenes is often completely different to what people expect/speculate/are led to believe, especially when the majority of the info comes from media outlets who usually are misinformed or report only on what they wish to.

    Basically, nothing is clear and everything is guess work and speculation. We know extremely little

    I guess you didn't fully read my first sentence in the clear part is that ANet did the firing, not NCSoft. Regardless if she left or was fired, there's absolutely relevancy with her salary. It's part of operating costs and is calculated in yearly budgets.

    I agree we know little but to say NCSoft did the firing is flat out wrong.

    Why is flat out wrong?

    because the boss of a company doesnt have authority over other companies, he can only fire his OWN people
    if it was possible, dont you think pepsi would have canned all the coke workers?

    Maybe because Pepsi is its own company, not a branch.
    If pepsi was a branch, cocacola could fire them, but wouldn’t want to
    Arenanet is a daughter of NCSoft, a branch company.

    didnt anet claim to be master of their own house?

    Not quite. They took publishing in house and had a decent level of autonomy, but ultimately they are part of NCSoft.

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  • battledrone.8315battledrone.8315 Member ✭✭✭✭

    okay, i guess those autonomy days are over then
    i havent seen so much wasted potential since SWTOR

  • Laila Lightness.8742Laila Lightness.8742 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Joshhh.2076 said:
    From Twitter:

    "Gaile Gray @GaileGray 10m
    I am sad to tell you that I am no longer an employee of ArenaNet. It's been a wonderful 18+ years, and I have appreciated every one of those years and every single one of the friends I made through the game. I wish everyone at ArenaNet a fantastic future -- I love you all."

    :(

    That's... bad. Very bad. Much worse that i feared. With no voice it will be really hard now for Anet (or NCsoft, that seems to be in charge now) to persuade anyone that everything is still fine. Because it quite obviously isn't.

    @Skotlex.7580 said:

    @MetalGirl.2370 said:
    I don't know why you people seem surprised. She is not a dev and ofc they'd cut community people. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same to Rubi.

    It seems they really wanted to lay off as many people as they could afford to. Hopefully the core staff that actually work on the game are safe.

    Seeing some of the names among those laid off (like Josh Foreman and Benjamin Arnold) i wouldn't be so sure.

    Even though for all of us the forums and the communication between players and ANet is very important, I can't help but feel forum goers are a minority of the game's population: they could ban every forum poster from the game and it wouldn't be felt.

    Thus, we could state that all of us forum goers are expendable from NCsoft's view.

    They also laid off 2/3 of the web team, so it's possible the forum itself will go as well.

    And will be interrigated into ncsoft page as its most likely

  • Jugglemonkey.8741Jugglemonkey.8741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The worst thing is that she thought she had a job on Sunday, and posted goodbye on the Monday. Whichever way you look at it, that's a gut punch.

    Hope you're doing well Gaile, good luck with whatever you do next :)

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  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    She’s where she needs to be.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2019

    read the press release and looks like NCSoft is having problems in other games and they tried to mitigate it by restructuring all their game outfits. it is unclear though if A.NET is doing well or not but if it is doing well~>ok, it was clearly a victim of "blaming the other even it is blameless."

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  • moonstarmac.4603moonstarmac.4603 Member ✭✭✭

    I hate to say it but the way NCSoft is going, and with the number of important members of the ArenaNet team that were dismissed, I see very rough seas ahead for Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2. WildStar still had a decent player base but got the plug pulled. City of Heroes and City of Villians did too. I am not even sure the AION revamp is helping, and Blade and Soul has become Bergen Bot Spring's all over!

    It almost makes me wonder if NCSoft is on the path to shutting down in the future.

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  • xBrutalityx.3507xBrutalityx.3507 Member
    edited March 4, 2019

    .............

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @xBrutalityx.3507 said:
    .............

    I had to give you a thumbs up for ingenuity!!!

    Playing the PvE scene because WvW is just "BAD"...

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