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Please stop the update of Guild Wars 2 and develop Guild Wars 3

Combine Guild Wars 1 Guild Wars 2 into Guild Wars 3, use time travel to reset the historical scene, let it support dx12, I have some friends who are still playing Guild Wars 1, never playing Guild Wars 2, if there is Guild Wars 3 It is sure to attract more players and introduce these players into Guild Wars 2 for special skins.

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  • huluobo.7036huluobo.7036 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If GW2 didn’t attract those who still play GW1 then GW3 likely wouldn’t.

    I vote no for GW3.

    That's because Guild Wars 1 can't jump, no wvw, no mounts

  • @huluobo.7036 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If GW2 didn’t attract those who still play GW1 then GW3 likely wouldn’t.

    I vote no for GW3.

    That's because Guild Wars 1 can't jump, no wvw, no mounts

    I don't get what you mean. Do you mean that we shouldn't be able to jump in Guild Wars 2? Oh, and we didn't have mounts when GW2 was released, they were added approximately 1,5 years ago.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019

    Expense be damned; we're consumers, not investers. Let us dream, naysayers. B)

    Still, I've played gw1 for a bit recently - I'm fairly sure the reason why the current Gw1 players stick around is mainly because the playerbase is contrary and can't deal with change (though, ironically, I do think Gw1 is an improved version of the current Runescape EOC system - so in comparison to other games, it has aged fairly well compared to other games on the market). Nothing short of bringing back a remastered pre-searing would bring them to the present.

  • IndigoSundown.5419IndigoSundown.5419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    While I would have very much liked GW2 to have taken more from GW, and less from the MMO genre, I very much believe this is a ship that sailed a long time ago, and that we will never see a game like GW again.

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- Santayana

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    First question is why?
    Second question: unlike GW1 Gw2 had many microtransactions and players that spent money in gem store for them. How do you think they will react?

    By the way DX12 isn't the answer, Vulkan is able to support more drawcalls (at least on Nvidia) and is crossplatform.

  • VanWilder.6923VanWilder.6923 Member ✭✭✭

    Sometime 1 + 2 = 3 is not the right Solution.

    Gw1 players want the special skins, JUMP, MOUNTs and WvW from Gw2, but what do Gw2 players want from Gw1? What does GW1 offer to Gw2 players exactly? The idea is only benefit for Gw1 players who are insisting get into Gw2 and double standard is implied here. More importantly, how many Gw1 players out there who are not having Gw2 account?

  • @VanWilder.6923 said:
    Sometime 1 + 2 = 3 is not the right Solution.

    Gw1 players want the special skins, JUMP, MOUNTs and WvW from Gw2, but what do Gw2 players want from Gw1? What does GW1 offer to Gw2 players exactly? The idea is only benefit for Gw1 players who are insisting get into Gw2 and double standard is implied here. More importantly, how many Gw1 players out there who are not having Gw2 account?

    Combine GW1 and GW2 will be GW12
    Will be something that way way, not even close to gw1 or gw2

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @huluobo.7036 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If GW2 didn’t attract those who still play GW1 then GW3 likely wouldn’t.

    I vote no for GW3.

    That's because Guild Wars 1 can't jump, no wvw, no mounts

    No. The players that chose to remain in GW1 did so for reasons other than that. The logic in your OP is flawed and contradictory as I had pointed out.

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭

    No, Taking two old games and combining them does not mean its a new game. If GW3 is made it needs to be a whole new game not regurgitating old stuff. I would not pay for a mix mash game. To be honest I probably take a really long break or quit the game entirely.

                                                              There is a 50% chance you will not agree with me and a 50% chance I will not agree with you
    
  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe if EVERYTHING we have earned carried over. I don't want to lose several hundred euros worth of skins and items I have purchased to lose their value instantly.

    Bite me.

  • starhunter.6015starhunter.6015 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If GW2 didn’t attract those who still play GW1 then GW3 likely wouldn’t.

    I vote no for GW3.

    ^^^^ So much this.

  • Dreyfus.8730Dreyfus.8730 Member ✭✭

    As much as I love GW over GW2 and in spite of how ignorant I am regarding the current whereabouts of ANET and its franchise, I believe that it's not the time to undertake such project (and I doubt it will ever be).

    I won't dare to analyse core aspects of GW2 because of such lack of knowledge, but someone mentioned something about the game's graphics engine and, in that regard, I believe that it's perfectly fine and aging very well. I consider this to be of interest because even though it may as well be the least important element of an MMO, it's certainly the most visible part of it. Such a thing causes an impression on newcomers and veterans alike, more often than not defining the appeal of the product.

    Hence, I believe that the current game may be an excellent base of operations for future GW-related innovative ideas, not requiring a third installment.

  • timetopat.7921timetopat.7921 Member ✭✭✭

    Guild wars 1 and 2 are extremely different and have differences that make them kind of incompatible games. Also DX12 isnt super important for an mmo. If they did GW3 odds are it would be both different from1 and 2 and not really a combination. Even then MMOs cost lots of money to make and take years to build. If they started today it would not be ready for quite some time and by then DX12 will be DX9 by the futures standards.

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said:
    This stuff is just cluttering up the forums and represses the important things. And opening another 5 threads asking for GW3 will not make it happen. If you do not want to play GW2 anymore, no one is forcing you to. The rest of us will try to sort things out. The remaining staff needs our help and assistance to get everything back to normal. Spreading chaos is counterproductive.

    GW2 is still a good game, we have an active community and it generates enough money to keep the company alive. Getting rid of that money source now, when they lost that many employees, would be definitely not a smart decision.

    You ever think about that? Why so many threads if there isnt interest in it. I dont care one way or the other, but maybe a lot of other people do.

  • ElectricGoat.8253ElectricGoat.8253 Member ✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019

    DX12 is old technology. If they were going to embark on a brand new MMO, they need a brand new game engine from scratch and to use vulkan so they can support the latest and greatest of the best computing technologies out there and to ensure they havent tied themselves to the disaster of windows 10.

    The story isnt finished and even though they've laid off certain people, that doesn't mean the studio is folding. If anything it has trimmed excess, and has right sized itself in order to compete in an increasingly dynamic and competitive global market.

    The game has tons of life still left in it and presents a broad paradigm shift away from the industry standard into a new method of game play that rewards players for exploring and interacting rather than just rote mindless killing.

    Lastly, GW2 still has not finished pushing the boundaries of its current game engine which still has plenty of potential left inside it. I assume, broad speculation, that they have some really cool stuff under wraps to ensure that it reaches maximum hype and maximum sales.

    Such a change will not come cheap, or quickly!

    I wish they'd nerf me.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019

    While I would love a reboot of GW1 with the technical possibilities of GW2 and a further modernized game engine, I would prefer it to be called "Guild Wars: Rebirth" or something along the lines rather than GW3. ;)

    P.S. Since that's not going to happen, threads like this are pointless - especially since we already have so many of the kind.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tiviana.2650 said:

    @HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said:
    This stuff is just cluttering up the forums and represses the important things. And opening another 5 threads asking for GW3 will not make it happen. If you do not want to play GW2 anymore, no one is forcing you to. The rest of us will try to sort things out. The remaining staff needs our help and assistance to get everything back to normal. Spreading chaos is counterproductive.

    GW2 is still a good game, we have an active community and it generates enough money to keep the company alive. Getting rid of that money source now, when they lost that many employees, would be definitely not a smart decision.

    You ever think about that? Why so many threads if there isnt interest in it. I dont care one way or the other, but maybe a lot of other people do.

    Sure people are interested in what they wish for ... but it's just folly for anyone to think that a GW3 is answer to combining the things they like from both GW1 and GW2. I'm mean, it's just wishful thinking here.

    GW3 isn't any more likely to deliver on ALL the things that most people like from both games. People need to get over themselves and play games for the things they like about it, not the things they wish it was.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Healix.5819Healix.5819 Member ✭✭✭✭

    But this is basically what they were just trying to do until NCSoft pulled their budget.

    Considering ArenaNet was risking GW2 by pulling what they could from the GW2 team, they were ready to go full throttle on their other project. Their plan was likely to run the living world with a minimal team for a few more years while they finished it, which would have been confirmed if development only continued to slow in season 5 with no signs of an expansion. If they've actually been working on an expansion the entire time, then it should be at least double the size of PoF by the end of season 5, but if they were moved, then they had a similar amount working on their other project as they did to build GW2, so it was likely going to be their next big game. The unfortunate thing is, ArenaNet must have finally had something after working on other projects for over 6 years, and now NCSoft has probably lost faith in the market.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    lol no, game is fine as it is

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The only thing the OP got right is that GW2 needs DX11 support at least.

  • XenoSpyro.1780XenoSpyro.1780 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 4, 2019

    @anduriell.6280 said:
    Let's call it GW 2.5 where you don't lose all your characters and investement adn keep playing with the tales we love.

    You could have shortened this sentence to two words : Engine Port

    @ElectricGoat.8253 said:
    Lastly, GW2 still has not finished pushing the boundaries of its current game engine

    Deadframerate Peaks asks to see you in its office.

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    The only thing the OP got right is that GW2 needs DX11 support at least.

    Sure, let's keep milking Microsofts teets. I'd rather have GL. lul

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    The only thing the OP got right is that GW2 needs some want DX11 support at least.

    Fixed it.

  • Kanok.3027Kanok.3027 Member ✭✭✭

    Nope. Finish GW2 first, then maybe work on a third game. For now, we have a TON of story to get through first and lots more content on the way. Only reason to stop working on GW2 and finally go maintenance mode would be if we were at the end of GW2, but we're not.

    Enough of this GW3 stuff already. Seriously, do the people that keep bringing it up hate this game THAT much?

  • HardRider.2980HardRider.2980 Member ✭✭✭

    So what would a GW3 offer GW2 cant do.... what stuff that WARRENTS a new game... stuff as in many things not one or two things

    A City of Heroes never die... A City of Villains will never surrender... Neither City will be forgotten.

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    The only thing the OP got right is that GW2 needs some want DX11 support at least.

    Fixed it.

    "Fixed it"... Ah, bliss...
    1) Just about every hardware provider has deprecated DX9, which is the ancient, Windows XP API that GW2 uses. Meaning no support, and using minimal legacy api.
    2) There's a reason for API updates, new hardware has new functionality, and to use that functionality you run more recent APIs.
    3) GW2 is notoriously inneficient, and wastes resources, meaning a PC that can run current year games at 60+FPS, struggles with GW2.
    4) Look at the competition. The game i'm playing instead of GW2, Warframe, has a much smaller team, also uses a in-house engine, and just removed DX9 support, using DX11 as default. The performance of the game has only improved.

    @XenoSpyro.1780 GW2 already "sucks on Microsoft's Teet" because it's running DX9. Even if it wasn't, DirectX isn't just Direct3D, it has more stuff in there that the graphics API, so switching to OpenGL, would still need them to work on the other stuff. Not to mention OpenGL usually performs slightly worse than DirectX, so we'd want that, right?

    Anyway, as long as they used a more recent API, i wouldn't care if they use Vulkan, OpenGL, DirectX, whatever. It just makes no sense to stay stuck on deprecated tech if they want the game to keep going.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    The only thing the OP got right is that GW2 needs some want DX11 support at least.

    Fixed it.

    "Fixed it"... Ah, bliss...
    1) Just about every hardware provider has deprecated DX9, which is the ancient, Windows XP API that GW2 uses. Meaning no support, and using minimal legacy api.
    2) There's a reason for API updates, new hardware has new functionality, and to use that functionality you run more recent APIs.
    3) GW2 is notoriously inneficient, and wastes resources, meaning a PC that can run current year games at 60+FPS, struggles with GW2.
    4) Look at the competition. The game i'm playing instead of GW2, Warframe, has a much smaller team, also uses a in-house engine, and just removed DX9 support, using DX11 as default. The performance of the game has only improved.

    @XenoSpyro.1780 GW2 already "sucks on Microsoft's Teet" because it's running DX9. Even if it wasn't, DirectX isn't just Direct3D, it has more stuff in there that the graphics API, so switching to OpenGL, would still need them to work on the other stuff. Not to mention OpenGL usually performs slightly worse than DirectX, so we'd want that, right?

    Anyway, as long as they used a more recent API, i wouldn't care if they use Vulkan, OpenGL, DirectX, whatever. It just makes no sense to stay stuck on deprecated tech if they want the game to keep going.

    I’m not saying that reworking the engine may or may not bring improvements. I’m just disagreeing with your assumption that GW2 needs it.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2019

    @huluobo.7036 said:
    Combine Guild Wars 1 Guild Wars 2 into Guild Wars 3, use time travel to reset the historical scene, let it support dx12, I have some friends who are still playing Guild Wars 1, never playing Guild Wars 2, if there is Guild Wars 3 It is sure to attract more players and introduce these players into Guild Wars 2 for special skins.

    Combining a healthy game to a toxic game doesn't result in healthy game. It is like combining salt and sugar together and stating it's results will reap good results.

    (Keep the toxic trash root away from the healthy root at all costs Please!!)

    Gw2 stay away from Gw1 at all costs~~!!

    polluted-river.jpg

    Thank You!!

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @huluobo.7036 said:
    Combine Guild Wars 1 Guild Wars 2 into Guild Wars 3, use time travel to reset the historical scene, let it support dx12, I have some friends who are still playing Guild Wars 1, never playing Guild Wars 2, if there is Guild Wars 3 It is sure to attract more players and introduce these players into Guild Wars 2 for special skins.

    Combining a healthy game to a toxic game doesn't result in healthy game. It is like combining salt and sugar together and stating it's results will reap good results.

    (Keep the toxic trash root away from the healthy root at all costs Please!!)

    Gw2 stay away from Gw1 at all costs~~!!

    polluted-river.jpg

    Thank You!!

    I hope the irony of your post is not lost on you.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @huluobo.7036 said:
    Combine Guild Wars 1 Guild Wars 2 into Guild Wars 3, use time travel to reset the historical scene, let it support dx12, I have some friends who are still playing Guild Wars 1, never playing Guild Wars 2, if there is Guild Wars 3 It is sure to attract more players and introduce these players into Guild Wars 2 for special skins.

    Combining a healthy game to a toxic game doesn't result in healthy game. It is like combining salt and sugar together and stating it's results will reap good results.

    (Keep the toxic trash root away from the healthy root at all costs Please!!)

    Gw2 stay away from Gw1 at all costs~~!!

    polluted-river.jpg

    Thank You!!

    Agree we dont want solo experience with heroes or spammadan in our gw2 sugar/healthy roots.

  • XenoSpyro.1780XenoSpyro.1780 Member ✭✭✭

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    GW2 already "sucks on Microsoft's Teet"

    Hence I said "keep" as in "let's further continue to do so". By all six gods, try to keep up.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    OP, you are crazy. Gw2 would sink utterly in money value for anet, the last thing they neeed right now.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2019

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    OP, you are crazy. Gw2 would sink utterly in money value for anet, the last thing they neeed right now.

    It is already is and it will continue until Anet turn the game into a healthy competitive game. The latest patch proved just that including their 'band-aid fix' -mount-to wvw

    'History shows; bribing your customers is a bad practice-grave mistake. It will only devalue your business more in the long run'

    What i believe Anet forgot is that; many of us are no longer fooled and the years after years of neglect of turning the game into a healthy competitive game still endures- have not changed and to think bribing the community will somehow blind us of seeing the truth, is a grave mistake

    /slap to the community faces
    (The community openly and truthfully stated that damages are too high; your solution?? Intentionally continue to increase it with every patch)
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/63078/is-damage-too-high/p1

    good luck-

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Burnfall.9573 said:
    until Anet turn the game into a healthy competitive game

    You're joking, right?

    GW2 is cooperative down to its roots, it never was and never will be aimed at being a competitive game unless they decide to target a whole new audience (in which case they might as well create a whole new game to begin with, as that usually works out much better than throwing out the previous target audience).

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If GW2 didn’t attract those who still play GW1 then GW3 likely wouldn’t.

    That's a total assumption that isn't even likely to begin with.

    In fact I think the contrary is true and I'll actually tell you why. When GW2 came out it became clear quite quickly that GW2 was nothing like GW1. It was a completely different game, regardless of whether you like it or not. However, over time we've seen that more and more GW1 elements have made it into the game with PoF being the clearest example of that bringing back old characters like Palawa and Koss for example.

    It also goes without saying that where GW2 does some things better, also GW1 does some things better. A lot can be learned from both experiences and a GW3 could therefore be a much better mix including things from both games really understanding why certain things worked or not.

    Now the other train of thought could be that GW3 could again be totally different from both GW1 and GW2. But then all bets are off and there is no telling how people will react to that.

    So really I find it either a neutral proposition or more likely that GW1 players might have more fun with a GW3 than GW2. I see no reason to argue that it's likely they wouldn't like GW3. And on top of that it also depends on the time setting for it. GW3 doesn't have to come after GW2 time wise either.

    "In my experience, if you can't say what you mean, you can never mean what you say. The details are everything." ~ Minister Durano

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tiviana.2650 said:
    You ever think about that? Why so many threads if there isnt interest in it. I dont care one way or the other, but maybe a lot of other people do.

    Just because some people are loud on the internet does not necessarily mean they represent a train of thought that a lot of people agree with or that is founded in truth. The internet makes it pretty easy for people to represent their (minority) opinion as majority and present misinformation as fact. It happens with science and politics, and it surely happens with video game communities. Just because some people overdramatize things, spread rumors, and more often than not plain misinformation and lies does not necessarily make those topics important.

    All of these threads dealing with the future of the game, potential expansion and/or sequel also feature a lot of voices that would rather things go on the way they are now, with regular living story and other updates to move this game further than scrap it all for an expansion and/or sequel. I'd guess that if each of these voices would start their own thread along the lines of "keep releases the way they are" you might just find that there aren't that many asking for something entirely new any more (relatively speaking). But why make threads of "keep releasing living world" when we've already got that and many people are happy with it?

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @huluobo.7036 said:
    Combine Guild Wars 1 Guild Wars 2 into Guild Wars 3, use time travel to reset the historical scene, let it support dx12, I have some friends who are still playing Guild Wars 1, never playing Guild Wars 2, if there is Guild Wars 3 It is sure to attract more players and introduce these players into Guild Wars 2 for special skins.

    Combining a healthy game to a toxic game doesn't result in healthy game. It is like combining salt and sugar together and stating it's results will reap good results.

    (Keep the toxic trash root away from the healthy root at all costs Please!!)

    Gw2 stay away from Gw1 at all costs~~!!

    polluted-river.jpg

    Thank You!!

    I hope the irony of your post is not lost on you.

    It is.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Why do people continue to feed the beast under the bridge?

    Thank You for the {MEME}

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