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What happened to the people playing Fractal dailys?

So, i was trying to do my dailys and joined a group which posted "lfg t4 heal".
I went in with my heal scrapper and one guy said right after i joined: "scrapper heal? lol ok"

We started with the mei trin fractal and managed to kill the first champ+trash without anybody dropping below 50% hp.
mind you, the instability daily was also conditions, so i had to cleanse a whole bunch of conditions while also making sure nobody dies.

then the first phase of the mei trin fight went as smooth as the fight before, nobody dropping below 50% hp and i cleanse nearly everything as soon as its up.

then we get overwhelmed by the first wave of trash mobs that spawn in.
Everybody went after a different mob and somehow those guys seemed to think that they dont need to dodge out of the aoe fields because they have a healer or something.
I try to rez the first one going down with my function gyro and myself, the rest got downed nearly 5 sec afterwards.

the same dude from before then writes: "wheres the heal?"
another replies: "nowhere"
and i get instantly kicked without even the time to answer.

what happened to people in fractals?
a few months ago it used to be relaxed and if a wipe happened, we just tried 1 or 2 times more before deciding to give up.

I avoided raids because of stuff and people like this... has the elitism spread over to fractals now or what?
greetings

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can't stand people like that. Once upon a time I used to play support in GW1 and got sick of healing button smashing monkeys who thought like you described "we got monk, we can facetank". Then they would complain when they died. After a few wipes and lots of tears I would just leave party. I hope those people you had didn't complete it easily and turned on each other like rabid dogs.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Doo Lally.8594Doo Lally.8594 Member ✭✭✭

    Frustrating but don't let one bad experience put you off.

    I played dedicated healer back in WoW at a fairly high level for a good guild on 25/10 man raids. Best advice when I was learning came from our Pally Healer (aka God) -

    "You can't heal bad."

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Some people try to play fractals after instab rework as they used to. Mai had afflicted that day, meaning every single trash will apply conditions. Your party that tried to facetank got wiped.
    According to old MMO habbit, blame healer.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • People don't like to believe that they aren't up to the task at hand or that they have to adapt to changed circumstances. So they blame someone else. It's the human condition.
    Try not to take it personally (yeah, easier said than done). It's not you; it's their hang up.

    As others have said, you can minimize this by starting your own PUG, keeping a list of PUGlings that you like to play with and inviting them, or generally asking about whatever in chat and see what sort of response you get. There are enough people PUGging that you can drop a group or three.

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2019

    You don't exactly have to dodge out of the fields no matter the instabilities but that would require the right setup. It does of course seem silly to assume any given LFG would be able to handle said situation as long as they have a "heal", especially if noone else is helping by swapping utilities to include additional condition removal, healing or reflects. But then what do you expect out of people who are looking for a "heal" rather than any specific build(s) just to complain when they get something off-meta.

    Playing the off-meta healer made you the easy target. Why take any responsibility if you can blame someone else instead?
    That said, I am most likely going to voice a rather unpopular opinion but these stories always have two sides. Blaming the healer is almost as old of a tradition as blaming your group for standing in the "Lava". There is usually something you could have done better to keep people alive longer no matter how "bad" they were. Try even harder next time to prove people wrong in their opinions about something you play.
    My motto has always been "Medicore can't heal bad, great can heal anything but oneshots".

    You are really going to lose out on raids if you let single experiences like this keep you from trying them out. There are loads of nice and fun people around. A few black sheep shouldn't be your benchmark on how you see the entire community. You are going to be pleasantly surprised once you meet that likeminded group that works for you.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2019

    maitrin to pug :P and play the blind dps way.. the team will need good meta chrono and meta afk healer.
    otherwise play the team work six sense crossed fingers way :p

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  • Eutuxia.1537Eutuxia.1537 Member ✭✭

    I quit playing fractals since they reworked instabilities. Sucks to pug fractals these days, people are still adjusting to the new weird kitten instability combos. It takes more time and effort now which is what made those chill relaxed people toxic i think :P

  • Susy.7529Susy.7529 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:
    You ran into pug elitism.

    Also form your own groups. Don't trust pugs, but also don't form an opinion over one experience.

    Also, this reminds me of a little MMO saying I heard a while back. "groups looking for a healer are looking for a healer for a reason, and often it's not just because they all play dps."

    Unlike raids (where if you have comm tag you are safe), forming your group in fract may not always work, you could still be kicked if you happen to party up with the same mentality people.

  • Amineo.8951Amineo.8951 Member ✭✭✭

    Fractals sucks now, I get PTSD when there's Deepstone + Twilight Oasis the same day.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's always easier to blame other than blame oneself. People used to use no healer at all and it worked perfectly fine as is, I really wonder how we came to suddenly have so much need for a healer in fractals so that it's worth blaming the healer when the team wipe... Originally the "healer" came to be taken only for it's dps buff instead of it's ability to heal. Or maybe it's that they suddenly became aware of the fact that they lacked a steady stream of dps buff and ended up blaming the scrapper healer whose primary worth isn't to give boons...

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    It's always easier to blame other than blame oneself. People used to use no healer at all and it worked perfectly fine as is, I really wonder how we came to suddenly have so much need for a healer in fractals so that it's worth blaming the healer when the team wipe...

    Oh, i'm sure increased difficulty of fractals nowadays has absolutely nothing to do with that.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    It's always easier to blame other than blame oneself. People used to use no healer at all and it worked perfectly fine as is, I really wonder how we came to suddenly have so much need for a healer in fractals so that it's worth blaming the healer when the team wipe...

    Oh, i'm sure increased difficulty of fractals nowadays has absolutely nothing to do with that.

    Yeah it's so hard that there are still players soloing or duoing fractal... Let be real, players have grown accustomed to a safety net and their level of gameplay have fallen, often forgetting about avoiding unforgiving boss mechanisms. Fractal difficulty "increase" have nothing to do with the "need" of a healer. If anything, as you go deeper into the fractals, the agony healing reduction make healers less and less relevant due to the amount of heal cut down.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2019

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    It's always easier to blame other than blame oneself. People used to use no healer at all and it worked perfectly fine as is, I really wonder how we came to suddenly have so much need for a healer in fractals so that it's worth blaming the healer when the team wipe...

    Oh, i'm sure increased difficulty of fractals nowadays has absolutely nothing to do with that.

    Yeah it's so hard that there are still players soloing or duoing fractal...

    There are players soloing/duoling raids. That doesn't make raids easy - it just shows up the massive difference between different tiers of skill in the community. The skill level of individual people didn't go down. The average skill level of the community didn't go down (well, apart from the result of experienced people leaving). It's the difficulty of fractals that went up.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    It's always easier to blame other than blame oneself. People used to use no healer at all and it worked perfectly fine as is, I really wonder how we came to suddenly have so much need for a healer in fractals so that it's worth blaming the healer when the team wipe...

    Oh, i'm sure increased difficulty of fractals nowadays has absolutely nothing to do with that.

    Yeah it's so hard that there are still players soloing or duoing fractal...

    There are players soloing/duoling raids. That doesn't make raids easy - it just shows up the massive difference between different tiers of skill in the community. The skill level of individual people didn't go down. The average skill level of the community didn't go down (well, apart from the result of experienced people leaving). It's the difficulty of fractals that went up.

    Well that and the fact that god tier support builds (chrono) were nerfed or replaced (to which many random players have not adapted). Basically a lot of people got what they desired (nerfs to chrono for one), but are surprised by the result.

    The net result is harder fractals, but not only due to the actual difficulty changes to fractals but also individual player skill becoming more important with other players not being able to cover for personal bad play. Essentially, the skill level of players did drop since they have to now play on a higher level than before due to their support not carrying them.

    It's a combination of many factors.

  • Zhaid Zhem.6508Zhaid Zhem.6508 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2019

    We have also learnt players to ignore some mechanics and just focus boss, because of healer druid, because a time ago of distortion, etc; but with Deepstone, Siren's reef, new instabiltities like bleeding fire, 300% in the back,-30% HP etc you just can't ignore them anymore. I saw "250KP" wipe because of a single elite at Astri. Same at deepstone it takes 2sec to kill clones and you don't have to deal with the lot of aoes, but no ... people don't care ... and wipe ... or siren's reef or even the catgolem at arkk. How frustrating it is when you have a clueless "elite/uber" player "We don't have heal, healer sucks" because he just can't ************* move and dodge.

  • Vyrulisse.1246Vyrulisse.1246 Member ✭✭✭

    Instabilities are anti-fun now. T4 daily pugs used to fill nearly instantly or at least fast for me but ever since those changes it's been a slog to get people.

  • they just expect burst heals. dunno much about healer engi while i wish to build one, and honestly comparing to full healer ele/druid/fb how is engi doing nowadays?

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Used to run T4 daily for years. I dont do it anymore. Pug quality is trash, worse than ever. Thats what happened. Dont let it get to you, make a static grp and do your dailies.

  • stone cold.8609stone cold.8609 Member ✭✭✭

    I used to PUG fractals T4s daily prior to the update and don't anymore as well. For me, the new instabilities are just not worth the aggravation and time to PUG. If I could find a static group I'd keep doing them, but I've not been able to find one yet. Kind of a bummer, because I was working towards Fractal God title and have put this on hold.

  • Deepcuts.9740Deepcuts.9740 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 18, 2019

    Unfortunately, fractals are not on my daily to do list anymore.
    I just have a bit more work towards fractal god, but I rather keep my sanity than have an achievement.
    Parties fill up very slowly and when they do, you usually get fresh new people with very low experience. Usually the kind of people that tend to think highly of themselves but can't back that up with actual skills.
    Add the new kitten instabilities in the mix and you get yourself a recipe for disaster.
    Once in a blue moon you might get a decent party and can finish the chore without any drama.

  • Jahroots.6791Jahroots.6791 Member ✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    Besides, as a wise man once said (referring to incomes), some people don't care if they earn enough for their needs, only that they earn more than someone else. I suspect its the same with many of those who adamantly support these new instabilities: it isn't that they wanted the content to be harder, they just wanted to be able to clear it when others could not. That's not a game design issue, that's a self-esteem issue. But whatevs...

    Heh. That explains most of the posts in this sub forum, tbh.

  • Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2019

    u should left when that guy said lol that was a bad omen

    i only join lfg "t4 daily" types to tired of new player or elitism wannabees who think fractals are hard

    beside that i dont do fractals anymore

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    Without a druid, isn't your group going to have very little might? Or is ps warrior in the fractal meta now? I don't really keep up with fractals anymore.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Without a druid, isn't your group going to have very little might?

    max might can uptime can keel: rene sup, fb supp, 3-4 necro, and etc

    Or is ps warrior in the fractal meta now?

    everyone have his own meta and u have aprox 20 working combinations. This more depend from skill, not prof specific class.

  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Without a druid, isn't your group going to have very little might? Or is ps warrior in the fractal meta now? I don't really keep up with fractals anymore.

    Depends(?) On class/build (making use of runes etc. Eg. Its possible for Sp Fb to keep might up with Rune of the Pack) and group setup (teammates to cover what's not provided).

  • Hesacon.8735Hesacon.8735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can play a DPS build without needing a healer. Groups asking for healers baffle me.

  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Some class profession and builds can survive with ease, some don't. Instabilities at play. The groups standard setting or what they want to achieve (boons etc), for a smooth run/ minimizing risk of failing.

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Without a druid, isn't your group going to have very little might?

    max might can uptime can keel: rene sup, fb supp, 3-4 necro, and etc

    @Eramonster.2718 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Without a druid, isn't your group going to have very little might? Or is ps warrior in the fractal meta now? I don't really keep up with fractals anymore.

    Depends(?) On class/build (making use of runes etc. Eg. Its possible for Sp Fb to keep might up with Rune of the Pack) and group setup (teammates to cover what's not provided).

    Sorry I think I should have phrased this better. With OP filling the role of healer as a heal scrapper, isn't might going to be an issue? Obviously other classes can upkeep might. But as far as I know, don't most groups expect their healer to upkeep might? Can heal scrapper upkeep might?

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not overly fond of T4's, mainly because any attempt to reason why things went south (or possible easy solutions) is seen as toxic drivel and time better spent wiping again. Either that, or we start lynching the weakest link until we see improvement... regardless of our (or our friends) performance.

    ... did I ever tell you the definition of insanity...?

    Fractal dailies are pretty hit and miss imo.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Can heal scrapper upkeep might?

    no, he can't make uptime 25 perma might. He can only help maintain to other might spammer.
    For example bs + h scrapper can make 25.

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Can heal scrapper upkeep might?

    no, he can't make uptime 25 perma might. He can only help maintain to other might spammer.
    For example bs + h scrapper can make 25.

    Ugh....BS doesn't upkeep any might? Are you thinking of ps?

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thrag.9740 said:

    @lare.5129 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Can heal scrapper upkeep might?

    no, he can't make uptime 25 perma might. He can only help maintain to other might spammer.
    For example bs + h scrapper can make 25.

    Ugh....BS doesn't upkeep any might? Are you thinking of ps?

    He can. Ps+ dumplings + strength runes + for great justice. Ez

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:

    @lare.5129 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Can heal scrapper upkeep might?

    no, he can't make uptime 25 perma might. He can only help maintain to other might spammer.
    For example bs + h scrapper can make 25.

    Ugh....BS doesn't upkeep any might? Are you thinking of ps?

    He can. Ps+ dumplings + strength runes + for great justice. Ez

    He can, but how realistic is it to find a ps banner warrior in todays meta? Most bannerslaves have moved on to newer builds. I know mine has, and he has legi armor yet I don't bother keeping the ps build saved.

    The point thrag was making: without might coming from the healer (usually druid), running a full PUG group might run into might issues.

    Granted for normal T4 that matters little. I doubt most people would even notice besides things taking longer to die.

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Actuaaly, ps trait is meta to help chrono and weavers/dhs or fb/ren upkeep might

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:
    Actuaaly, ps trait is meta to help chrono and weavers/dhs or fb/ren upkeep might

    I'm sorry, I should have been clearer:
    How many warriors are still running might runes and sigils?

    Hence why I was referencing the legi armor which could swap to the needed runes at will, yet I don't even keep them around.

    I'm not saying there is no alternatives for might stacker, I'm saying the current meta does not have the warrior in charge of it.

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2019

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:
    Actuaaly, ps trait is meta to help chrono and weavers/dhs or fb/ren upkeep might

    I'm sorry, I should have been clearer:
    How many warriors are still running might runes and sigils?

    Hence why I was referencing the legi armor which could swap to the needed runes at will, yet I don't even keep them around.

    I'm not saying there is no alternatives for might stacker, I'm saying the current meta does not have the warrior in charge of it.

    Right now fractal meta have no dedicated mightstacker, multiple players stack some might but none perma 25.
    If you have heal druid the he/she stack all the mught but then it is not meta composition

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2019

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:

    @lare.5129 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Can heal scrapper upkeep might?

    no, he can't make uptime 25 perma might. He can only help maintain to other might spammer.
    For example bs + h scrapper can make 25.

    Ugh....BS doesn't upkeep any might? Are you thinking of ps?

    He can. Ps+ dumplings + strength runes + for great justice. Ez

    you realize we stopped calling warriors ps when they stopped running that trait right? What your describing is a ps warrior not a bs warrior.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:
    Actuaaly, ps trait is meta to help chrono and weavers/dhs or fb/ren upkeep might

    I'm sorry, I should have been clearer:
    How many warriors are still running might runes and sigils?

    Hence why I was referencing the legi armor which could swap to the needed runes at will, yet I don't even keep them around.

    I'm not saying there is no alternatives for might stacker, I'm saying the current meta does not have the warrior in charge of it.

    Right now fractal meta have no dedicated mightstacker, multiple players stack some might but none perma 25.
    If you have heal druid the he/she stack all the mught but then it is not meta composition

    Druid stacks might in the chrono+druid setup.

    Renegade stacks might in the Renebrand setup.

    Those are the two primary might stackers in both setups.

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thrag.9740 said:

    @Safandula.8723 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:

    @lare.5129 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    Can heal scrapper upkeep might?

    no, he can't make uptime 25 perma might. He can only help maintain to other might spammer.
    For example bs + h scrapper can make 25.

    Ugh....BS doesn't upkeep any might? Are you thinking of ps?

    He can. Ps+ dumplings + strength runes + for great justice. Ez

    you realize we stopped calling warriors ps when they stopped running that trait right? What your describing is a ps warrior not a bs warrior.

    Warriors in fractals still play this trait. They just dont use might duration anymore because they dont need to stack 25 might but just a few

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:
    Warriors in fractals still play this trait. They just dont use might duration anymore because they dont need to stack 25 might but just a few

    Oh right I forgot they updated forceful greatsword to work on axe. Yes your correct, but what Sefandula described is still a ps warrior. He swapped the runes, the food, the utlity (which hopefully he realizes means he needs to swap his heal skill to the physical heal skill otherwise just drop peak performance all together for might on heal).

    Sefandula is describing a completely different build from you.

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:
    Actuaaly, ps trait is meta to help chrono and weavers/dhs or fb/ren upkeep might

    I'm sorry, I should have been clearer:
    How many warriors are still running might runes and sigils?

    Hence why I was referencing the legi armor which could swap to the needed runes at will, yet I don't even keep them around.

    I'm not saying there is no alternatives for might stacker, I'm saying the current meta does not have the warrior in charge of it.

    Right now fractal meta have no dedicated mightstacker, multiple players stack some might but none perma 25.
    If you have heal druid the he/she stack all the mught but then it is not meta composition

    Druid stacks might in the chrono+druid setup.

    Renegade stacks might in the Renebrand setup.

    Those are the two primary might stackers in both setups.

    There are 2 meta setups. Chronk bs and 3 dps. All of them stack some might
    And quickbrand, diviner renegade, warrior 2 dps.
    Renegade can upkeep ~16 might, rest need to cover missing might

    In "pug meta" druid stack might but renegade has same BD so again, rest need to stack might there too

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2019

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:
    Actuaaly, ps trait is meta to help chrono and weavers/dhs or fb/ren upkeep might

    I'm sorry, I should have been clearer:
    How many warriors are still running might runes and sigils?

    Hence why I was referencing the legi armor which could swap to the needed runes at will, yet I don't even keep them around.

    I'm not saying there is no alternatives for might stacker, I'm saying the current meta does not have the warrior in charge of it.

    Right now fractal meta have no dedicated mightstacker, multiple players stack some might but none perma 25.
    If you have heal druid the he/she stack all the mught but then it is not meta composition

    Druid stacks might in the chrono+druid setup.

    Renegade stacks might in the Renebrand setup.

    Those are the two primary might stackers in both setups.

    There are 2 meta setups. Chronk bs and 3 dps. All of them stack some might
    And quickbrand, diviner renegade, warrior 2 dps.
    Renegade can upkeep ~16 might, rest need to cover missing might

    In "pug meta" druid stack might but renegade has same BD so again, rest need to stack might there too

    So we are discussing static setups now?

    Renegade can upkeep more than 16 might if need be, for all other times the Firebrand covers the remainder if necessary.

    How is this in any way relevant to this discussion? Here is what is essential:
    Warrior is and has not been the primary might stacker in a PUG setting ever since druid could upkeep 25 might on up to 10 people.

    Literally almost every warrior you will encounter in a PUG setting will NOT cover enough might if the healer doesn't provide at the very least a substantial base amount.

    If we are talking static groups, sure there is very individual setups and people will adapt their builds to what ever they feel comfortable with.

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:
    Actuaaly, ps trait is meta to help chrono and weavers/dhs or fb/ren upkeep might

    I'm sorry, I should have been clearer:
    How many warriors are still running might runes and sigils?

    Hence why I was referencing the legi armor which could swap to the needed runes at will, yet I don't even keep them around.

    I'm not saying there is no alternatives for might stacker, I'm saying the current meta does not have the warrior in charge of it.

    Right now fractal meta have no dedicated mightstacker, multiple players stack some might but none perma 25.
    If you have heal druid the he/she stack all the mught but then it is not meta composition

    Druid stacks might in the chrono+druid setup.

    Renegade stacks might in the Renebrand setup.

    Those are the two primary might stackers in both setups.

    There are 2 meta setups. Chronk bs and 3 dps. All of them stack some might
    And quickbrand, diviner renegade, warrior 2 dps.
    Renegade can upkeep ~16 might, rest need to cover missing might

    In "pug meta" druid stack might but renegade has same BD so again, rest need to stack might there too

    So we are discussing static setups now?

    Renegade can upkeep more than 16 might if need be, for all other times the Firebrand covers the remainder if necessary.

    How is this in any way relevant to this discussion? Here is what is essential:
    Warrior is and has not been the primary might stacker in a PUG setting ever since druid could upkeep 25 might on up to 10 people.

    Literally almost every warrior you will encounter in a PUG setting will NOT cover enough might if the healer doesn't provide at the very least a substantial base amount.

    If we are talking static groups, sure there is very individual setups and people will adapt their builds to what ever they feel comfortable with.

    Heroic command, cd 8s, max 10 might for 16 seconds.
    Pug groups also play cms without a healer (soulcleaves summit is more then enough)
    The trait ps is in meta builds for some time. That is alk I am saying