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  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Visible stealth, great idea

    Sneak Gyro was meta in heart of thorn era and yeah you could see the gyro and the field still.

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  • miriforst.1290miriforst.1290 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    And here they go again, back to square one. I remember how op scrapper was back in hot release in pvp. Since you know standing on a point, sustaining and letting the enemy come to you was always hammers thing. Then it took a steady non stop series of nerfs that lasted years until it wasn't even found in the mode it was designed for (small scale, stationary pvp on a point). Now they will once again nerf things in all modes based on scrappers hogging nodes one convenient hammer swing across, probably including old balanced stuff like rapid regen (honestly, compare it to heat therapy on a glass cannon spec with no healing power).

    All they needed to do was to not kill final salvo. But hey its fun to play wvw scrapper again.... And to not feel like you are doing something wrong by not playing holo.

    And to clarify, i agree that scrapper is once again incredibly strong. I just worry that they will treat them like they did last time. Its fun to see both holo and scrapper around, and i much prefer the bruiser support playstyle to the holo in pvp.

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    Also super speed does not stack, it overwrites. 5s + 1s=1s.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    The new sneak gyro is insane. 1 skill for 18 seconds worth of pulsing aoe stealth on a 45 second cooldown. Like compare it to Mesmer's Mass Invisibility to compare another stealthing elite. It's too much. At least the previous sneak gyro despite the crazy levels of aoe stealth was balanced around knowing there was a sneak gyro there you could see and destroy. The stealth field should be visible to enemy players. As soon as anyone on the team starts getting low in a team fight sneak gyro is always up and there for them to resustain or be rezed.

    Or you can use sneak as you go down and self rez using skill 4 because there's enough time to do so...

    I gotta say mid fights are fun tho... Theres an empty point, all players are stealthed and the first to come out of stealth is bombed by the other team

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don’t play engi so I don’t know how scrapper was before but from what I’ve seen in few yrs playing which was basically no scrappers and constant scrappers are kitten threads I’m glad they got some good stuff,hopefully if arenet tones them down they don’t badically make it Un played as it was before.

  • Ario.8964Ario.8964 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Captain Swag.5893 said:
    I would just like it if we left Scrapper in a good place for a while. We've waited too long for Scrapper to be good for it to be cut short so soon. It's not like we haven't had other unkillable classes before, let Scrapper have its thing for a bit. :p

    Scrapper could be left in a very good place without being left broken. Again, just tune down some of the numbers for barrier, superspeed regen, and the heal and scrapper would be balanced and competitive without being a 1v3 monster.

  • SoulSin.5682SoulSin.5682 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't know what people are complaining here.

    Isn't Scrapper pretty much a bunker? What is wrong on it fighting 1vs3?

    Fighting 3 and killing 3 are two completely different scenarios.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SoulSin.5682 said:
    I don't know what people are complaining here.

    Isn't Scrapper pretty much a bunker? What is wrong on it fighting 1vs3?

    Fighting 3 and killing 3 are two completely different scenarios.

    worried that the bunker meta will return

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  • djoun.3425djoun.3425 Member ✭✭

    Can you imagine genuinly thinking scrapper is good? OMEGALUL

  • Ruufio.1496Ruufio.1496 Member ✭✭✭

    Use this and you will kill scrapper easily:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRArY4djc0Q5N2TD20A/NOwFq4GkvjAtLKjvAOABwBA-jJR3wAfKDw8JAAY/BgnAAA

    Save shroud 5 for their stealth (it reveals)

    Don't want to see any more threads about people on their knights amulet with smoldering sigil weaver being unable to kill a scrapper. Try using what actually counters the scrapper...

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Use this and you will kill scrapper easily:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRArY4djc0Q5N2TD20A/NOwFq4GkvjAtLKjvAOABwBA-jJR3wAfKDw8JAAY/BgnAAA

    Save shroud 5 for their stealth (it reveals)

    Don't want to see any more threads about people on their knights amulet with smoldering sigil weaver being unable to kill a scrapper. Try using what actually counters the scrapper...

    This doesn't come close to killing scrapper.

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  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:

    @zoopop.5630 said:
    seen a kitten of scrappers in rank. Most sucked but some of them were able to hold well on a node in same cases. For example @Chaith.8256 has been the only 1 i seen in rank actually play it well(not saying others can't). Issues i notice Warrior and Rev can shut down scrapper fairly easy IMO.

    Thank god we got 1 week left of rank so we can see whats gonna be nerf and fixed.

    If you are expecting balance changes before next season or anytime soon, I have bad news for ya... Anet track record on balance changes and frequency over the last 6 month is terrible.

    What ever is broken, or unusable, will remain so at least till May. And the the unusable is highly unlikely to be addressed.

    nope not expecting anything till the next 2 months give or take. However I'll take those changes next season because let's be honest....scrappers are a bit over tuned as kitten at the moment.

    This is a prime example why balance patch updates shouldn't be mid season. Make them start off the season or the end of the season it'll make things easier for everyone in the long run imo. Imagine have 2 scrappers on each team every game who can't die to 1vs1 or even 1vx ? Would possibly be far worse then Condi mirage.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zoopop.5630 said:

    @otto.5684 said:

    @zoopop.5630 said:
    seen a kitten of scrappers in rank. Most sucked but some of them were able to hold well on a node in same cases. For example @Chaith.8256 has been the only 1 i seen in rank actually play it well(not saying others can't). Issues i notice Warrior and Rev can shut down scrapper fairly easy IMO.

    Thank god we got 1 week left of rank so we can see whats gonna be nerf and fixed.

    If you are expecting balance changes before next season or anytime soon, I have bad news for ya... Anet track record on balance changes and frequency over the last 6 month is terrible.

    What ever is broken, or unusable, will remain so at least till May. And the the unusable is highly unlikely to be addressed.

    nope not expecting anything till the next 2 months give or take. However I'll take those changes next season because let's be honest....scrappers are a bit over tuned as kitten at the moment.

    This is a prime example why balance patch updates shouldn't be mid season. Make them start off the season or the end of the season it'll make things easier for everyone in the long run imo. Imagine have 2 scrappers on each team every game who can't die to 1vs1 or even 1vx ? Would possibly be far worse then Condi mirage.

    “Ideally,” Anet should make big changes at the end of the season, then minor tweaks before the season starts. This way you do not have major changes during the season and you catch-up outliers before the season starts.

    However, Anet does.. not sure what. The timing (and sometimes the changes) seem to be driven by random number generator.

  • Ruufio.1496Ruufio.1496 Member ✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Use this and you will kill scrapper easily:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRArY4djc0Q5N2TD20A/NOwFq4GkvjAtLKjvAOABwBA-jJR3wAfKDw8JAAY/BgnAAA

    Save shroud 5 for their stealth (it reveals)

    Don't want to see any more threads about people on their knights amulet with smoldering sigil weaver being unable to kill a scrapper. Try using what actually counters the scrapper...

    This doesn't come close to killing scrapper.

    Maybe show me a video of you trying to kill scrapper as core necro and I'll help you (tell you what you did wrong)

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Use this and you will kill scrapper easily:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRArY4djc0Q5N2TD20A/NOwFq4GkvjAtLKjvAOABwBA-jJR3wAfKDw8JAAY/BgnAAA

    Save shroud 5 for their stealth (it reveals)

    Don't want to see any more threads about people on their knights amulet with smoldering sigil weaver being unable to kill a scrapper. Try using what actually counters the scrapper...

    This doesn't come close to killing scrapper.

    Maybe show me a video of you trying to kill scrapper as core necro and I'll help you (tell you what you did wrong)

    You're the one that made the claim "This kills scrappers quick!" If you're going to make a positive claim, it's YOUR job to post evidence. I don't have to believe you until you do.

    I've seen one menders scrapper stall indefinitely against a reaper, a scourge, a condi mirage and a holosmith all at once in conquest. Sorry but I just doubt there's going to be some sort of silver bullet build that is some how going to out pressure those four all at once

    Was his name "Maccaroni and Cheese"?
    Because Ive been doing exactly that since yesterday lmao

    I wanna kiss @Ario.8964 for the build

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  • Caine.8204Caine.8204 Member ✭✭

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Visible stealth, great idea

    It's not that it's not visible, it's the fact that it has no tells.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Use this and you will kill scrapper easily:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRArY4djc0Q5N2TD20A/NOwFq4GkvjAtLKjvAOABwBA-jJR3wAfKDw8JAAY/BgnAAA

    Save shroud 5 for their stealth (it reveals)

    Don't want to see any more threads about people on their knights amulet with smoldering sigil weaver being unable to kill a scrapper. Try using what actually counters the scrapper...

    This doesn't come close to killing scrapper.

    Maybe show me a video of you trying to kill scrapper as core necro and I'll help you (tell you what you did wrong)

    You're the one that made the claim "This kills scrappers quick!" If you're going to make a positive claim, it's YOUR job to post evidence. I don't have to believe you until you do.

    I've seen one menders scrapper stall indefinitely against a reaper, a scourge, a condi mirage and a holosmith all at once in conquest. Sorry but I just doubt there's going to be some sort of silver bullet build that is some how going to out pressure those four all at once

    Was his name "Maccaroni and Cheese"?
    Because Ive been doing exactly that since yesterday lmao

    I wanna kiss @Ario.8964 for the build

    Nah it was someone else.

    But yeah, calling it now. I've seen more games stall until the timer runs out today than I have literally all throughout Path of Fire. I'm seeing anywhere between 2-6 scrappers every match. Games have gone from averaging 10-15 kills for me to 2-5 on victories. Victories.

    The bunker meta is back. Just as bad as the Season 1 chronobunker meta. Scrappers are going to dominate and clog up ranked for the indefinite future until they are eventually nerfed.

    Funnily enough I'm also seeing a lot more tempests and weavers bring tornado just so they can CC people off nodes for the decap because no one has any hope of killing anyone in a timely fashion. Ele is good again guys!

    It's also reaaaaaally funny seeing certain people whine about "Mirage are to Op and never die!" immediately reroll scrapper.

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  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Use this and you will kill scrapper easily:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRArY4djc0Q5N2TD20A/NOwFq4GkvjAtLKjvAOABwBA-jJR3wAfKDw8JAAY/BgnAAA

    Save shroud 5 for their stealth (it reveals)

    Don't want to see any more threads about people on their knights amulet with smoldering sigil weaver being unable to kill a scrapper. Try using what actually counters the scrapper...

    This doesn't come close to killing scrapper.

    Maybe show me a video of you trying to kill scrapper as core necro and I'll help you (tell you what you did wrong)

    You're the one that made the claim "This kills scrappers quick!" If you're going to make a positive claim, it's YOUR job to post evidence. I don't have to believe you until you do.

    I've seen one menders scrapper stall indefinitely against a reaper, a scourge, a condi mirage and a holosmith all at once in conquest. Sorry but I just doubt there's going to be some sort of silver bullet build that is some how going to out pressure those four all at once

    Was his name "Maccaroni and Cheese"?
    Because Ive been doing exactly that since yesterday lmao

    I wanna kiss @Ario.8964 for the build

    Nah it was someone else.

    But yeah, calling it now. I've seen more games stall until the timer runs out today than I have literally all throughout Path of Fire. I'm seeing anywhere between 2-6 scrappers every match. Games have gone from averaging 10-15 kills for me to 2-5 on victories. Victories.

    The bunker meta is back. Just as bad as the Season 1 chronobunker meta. Scrappers are going to dominate and clog up ranked for the indefinite future when they are eventually nerfed.

    Funnily enough I'm also seeing a lot more tempests and weavers bring tornado just so they can CC people off nodes for the decap because no one has any hope of killing anyone in a timely fashion. Ele is good again guys!

    It's also reaaaaaally funny seeing certain people whine about "Mirage are to Op and never die!" immediately reroll scrapper.

    yea my kills have dropped slightly compared to normal and bumped into a few players working around it with decap builds..

    I dont know about Ele being good again, or these certain people whining about mirage rolling to scrapper that you speak of.. I know its not me and the people that whined are still whining.

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  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Use this and you will kill scrapper easily:

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQRArY4djc0Q5N2TD20A/NOwFq4GkvjAtLKjvAOABwBA-jJR3wAfKDw8JAAY/BgnAAA

    Save shroud 5 for their stealth (it reveals)

    Don't want to see any more threads about people on their knights amulet with smoldering sigil weaver being unable to kill a scrapper. Try using what actually counters the scrapper...

    This doesn't come close to killing scrapper.

    Maybe show me a video of you trying to kill scrapper as core necro and I'll help you (tell you what you did wrong)

    You're the one that made the claim "This kills scrappers quick!" If you're going to make a positive claim, it's YOUR job to post evidence. I don't have to believe you until you do.

    I've seen one menders scrapper stall indefinitely against a reaper, a scourge, a condi mirage and a holosmith all at once in conquest. Sorry but I just doubt there's going to be some sort of silver bullet build that is some how going to out pressure those four all at once

    Was his name "Maccaroni and Cheese"?
    Because Ive been doing exactly that since yesterday lmao

    I wanna kiss @Ario.8964 for the build

    Nah it was someone else.

    But yeah, calling it now. I've seen more games stall until the timer runs out today than I have literally all throughout Path of Fire. I'm seeing anywhere between 2-6 scrappers every match. Games have gone from averaging 10-15 kills for me to 2-5 on victories. Victories.

    The bunker meta is back. Just as bad as the Season 1 chronobunker meta. Scrappers are going to dominate and clog up ranked for the indefinite future when they are eventually nerfed.

    Funnily enough I'm also seeing a lot more tempests and weavers bring tornado just so they can CC people off nodes for the decap because no one has any hope of killing anyone in a timely fashion. Ele is good again guys!

    It's also reaaaaaally funny seeing certain people whine about "Mirage are to Op and never die!" immediately reroll scrapper.

    yea my kills have dropped slightly compared to normal and bumped into a few players working around it with decap builds..

    I dont know about Ele being good again, or these certain people whining about mirage rolling to scrapper that you speak of.. I know its not me and the people that whined are still whining.

    Ele being good was more of a joke though I have seen a lot of them running tornado. Though to be honestI've seen more scrappers use Tornado against other scrappers.

    Doesn't herald have a really ridiculous decap build using ventari and knockbacks? Maybe it's time to dust that off.

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  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    time to dust off the ol zerk staff ele lols.

    you don't know till you know, ya know.

  • Shaogin.2679Shaogin.2679 Member ✭✭✭

    Tried out a few Scrapper builds, but my favorite so far has been Mender's Scrapper with Med Kit. All the sustain of bunker Scrapper while keeping my team alive. Love it more than Firebrand right now.

    As for how tanky Scrappers are, I can confirm as well. Was on power Reaper, Scrapper contesting home, figured I could at least get him to step off for a bit so I could decap. So I threw all my wells down and greatsword 4 and went into Reaper Shroud. He stood right there, in the middle of all of that AoE damage, and survived it all. Barely made a dent in him. For those that don't know, in addition to the other changes mentioned here, Scrapper has even more access to superspeed now, which is buffing their sustain on a Mender's amulet quite a bit as well.

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  • Ruufio.1496Ruufio.1496 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    Why even complain about scrapper when bunker firebrand and bunker chrono exist? A well played bunker chrono (minstrel in WvW) is literally impossible to kill (he can just leave if he's in trouble) Complaining about scrapper is a L2P issue. No one cried about it being "OP" before the patch, now it's suddenly OP... why?

    Because of an 8k barrier and sneak gyro which has always existed and basically acted the same way? You know that foregoing healing turret and medic gyro for med kit means he's losing out on protection and is vulnerable while spamming med kit 1? If he's specced for healing then he's full tank like a firebrand or chrono.

    REVEAL
    BOON CORRUPTION

    Stop running power classes against builds with high armor and protection uptime (unless you can strip the prot like spellbreaker)
    Conditions are a thing that exists.

    Daze is also a thing that exists which makes it so you cannot use any skills or even stunbreak.

    Just accept the fact that there is another bunker in town.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If a class that isn’t someones main gets nice things and theirs doesn’t the forums will be flooded with so and so is op, has always been like that in these forums while some specs seem to be somewhat allowed to be over performing ie fb as example and there’s more. Not saying scrappers not over tuned right now just stating the obvious

  • dominik.9721dominik.9721 Member ✭✭✭

    Thing is, it is way easier to outnumber and kill a fb who has 0 potential to kite and to disengage than to kill a scrapper.

    And since scrapper has probably the best skillset to deal with conditions, your other argument makes absolute no sense.
    Chrono on the other hand dies also easily when +1ed by a S/D thief.

    And for those saying just don't outnumber the scrapper seem to have no understanding of rotations. Sometimes you have to rotate and +1 sides because you have no other option. If you face fb+scourge mid while an enemy scrapper camps sides you can not make any proper rotation.

    Builds that are literally unkillable and survive 1v3 while facerolling the keyboard are unhealthy af, no matter if they deal 0 dps or not.

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Why even complain about scrapper when bunker firebrand and bunker chrono exist? A well played bunker chrono (minstrel in WvW) is literally impossible to kill (he can just leave if he's in trouble) Complaining about scrapper is a L2P issue. No one cried about it being "OP" before the patch, now it's suddenly OP... why?

    Because of an 8k barrier and sneak gyro which has always existed and basically acted the same way? You know that foregoing healing turret and medic gyro for med kit means he's losing out on protection and is vulnerable while spamming med kit 1? If he's specced for healing then he's full tank like a firebrand or chrono.

    REVEAL
    BOON CORRUPTION

    Stop running power classes against builds with high armor and protection uptime (unless you can strip the prot like spellbreaker)
    Conditions are a thing that exists.

    Daze is also a thing that exists which makes it so you cannot use any skills or even stunbreak.

    Just accept the fact that there is another bunker in town.

  • RisenHowl.2419RisenHowl.2419 Member ✭✭✭

    Spite/curses/reaper. Bait the purge gyro, wait it out, unleash hell. Scrapper only runs 1-2 stun breaks and very little stab. Force them to burn cds and chain cc them

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.
    This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

    Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

    The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

    And as @Ruufio.1496 pointed out, the only changes that were made were made to gyros. Most of this sustain was already present, but the gyros were garbage before. The bulk of the sustain in the new scrapper build is coming from the changes to bulwark gyro, specifically, and that can be adjusted with some numerical changes.

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  • Hiki.9310Hiki.9310 Member ✭✭✭

    It will take months for this get fixed.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.
    This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

    Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

    The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

    Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

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  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.
    This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

    Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

    The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

    Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

    Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

    Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

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  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.
    This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

    Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

    The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

    Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

    Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

    Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

    I kind of agree, it is too early to fully determine whether (or how much) scrapper is OP. However, there are many hints of it becoming meta - and it seems to have the potential of becoming oppressive, but we will see.

    What I wanted to add though is: It's not just number tweaks. The long lasting fields are insane, the superspeed uptime has been increased significantly with the changes to Shocking speed. And the power of an instant invisible basically perma-stealth is crazy. You can just fake-cast it in a fight and people run sides fearing you will pop out anywhere accross the map. The new Sneak Gyro is significantly stronger than the old one - which would be different if you saw the pulsing field (and reduced the stealth duration indeed).

    So: Let's wait and see if it will be strong, meta or OP. But some number tweaks should happen very very quickly (sneak gyro, barrier amount, gyro durations maybe) int ehe next few weeks if needed.

  • Patrick.2987Patrick.2987 Member ✭✭✭

    Dunno what is more redicoulous, people actually defending this spec or people unable to cap against it on necro.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.
    This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

    Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

    The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

    Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

    Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

    Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

    We already know what the new meta is going to look like: Roll scrapper in ranked or something with enough CC to physically force them off node. Don't expect anyone to die. I've seen menders scrapper sustain vs condi mirage, reaper, scourge, and holo all at the same time. There isn't going to be some magic bullet build that's going to just obliterate them and farm them all game long.

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Why even complain about scrapper when bunker firebrand and bunker chrono exist? A well played bunker chrono (minstrel in WvW) is literally impossible to kill (he can just leave if he's in trouble) Complaining about scrapper is a L2P issue. No one cried about it being "OP" before the patch, now it's suddenly OP... why?

    Because of an 8k barrier and sneak gyro which has always existed and basically acted the same way? You know that foregoing healing turret and medic gyro for med kit means he's losing out on protection and is vulnerable while spamming med kit 1? If he's specced for healing then he's full tank like a firebrand or chrono.

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    Stop running power classes against builds with high armor and protection uptime (unless you can strip the prot like spellbreaker)
    Conditions are a thing that exists.

    Daze is also a thing that exists which makes it so you cannot use any skills or even stunbreak.

    Just accept the fact that there is another bunker in town.

    Condition Mirage and Scourge don't put a dent in scrapper with Purge and Bulwark Gyro.

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  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭

    @SoulSin.5682 said:
    I don't know what people are complaining here.

    Isn't Scrapper pretty much a bunker? What is wrong on it fighting 1vs3?

    Fighting 3 and killing 3 are two completely different scenarios.

    I just played scrapper today, had another scrapper on my team. I took 1 node the other 1 took another. Then it was basically game. Couldn’t kill either of us lol.

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ario.8964 said:
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFASncoCtbhdpCGpC0ehlKjietj77WcZCgwLMfKmvC-j5wHABcs/AAPAA7LDAA
    This is what I've been playing with. Swapping purge gyro for blast is good in games where the enemy is low condi. The build has incredible sustain and pretty solid damage on point if you land everything well.

    Been playing this but on santionary ruins. Prefer the boon up time and barrier and man is it godly. Took on 1v3 for half the time. Took the entire 5 man team to kill me. With protect holo, Condi Mirage and reaper throwing nothing at me lol.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    Just gonna delete my scrapper ahead of time since apparently everyone knows everything about scrapper and it's gonna get run down into the ground by these supposed 'mains'.

    Been a nice run, but you know, eventually all classes are gonna get this treatment where everyone screams about something, it get nerfed, then they're wondering what happened to said dead spec.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    Just gonna delete my scrapper ahead of time since apparently everyone knows everything about scrapper and it's gonna get run down into the ground by these supposed 'mains'.

    Been a nice run, but you know, eventually all classes are gonna get this treatment where everyone screams about something, it get nerfed, then they're wondering what happened to said dead spec.

    Play ele, op things will never happen to us! :tongue:

    (Yes, not again, don't ruin my punch line.)

  • Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    Just gonna delete my scrapper ahead of time since apparently everyone knows everything about scrapper and it's gonna get run down into the ground by these supposed 'mains'.

    Been a nice run, but you know, eventually all classes are gonna get this treatment where everyone screams about something, it get nerfed, then they're wondering what happened to said dead spec.

    But it’s really extremely hard to kill can hold an1v3 talk about dead spec? A so strong build will make other classes obsolete.

    When dh came out I saw myself how op those traps where at start I welcomed the nerf at that time very much

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Played against a couple of scrapers last night

    The sustain is very strong for sure, definitely can be tuned down a bit

    damage isnt as ridiculous as the mirage was, about right i guess

  • Crinn.7864Crinn.7864 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @RisenHowl.2419 said:
    Spite/curses/reaper. Bait the purge gyro, wait it out, unleash hell. Scrapper only runs 1-2 stun breaks and very little stab. Force them to burn cds and chain cc them

    Doesn't work reliably. For it to work you have to be able to hit their prot and stability on every corrupt bomb. Problem is that scrapper has such a mass of boon variety that you can't reliably hit either of those boons, let alone both.

    Source: I've probably spent more time on spite/curses Reaper than anyone else on this forum.

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  • felincyriac.5981felincyriac.5981 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2019

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Visible stealth, great idea

    Sneak Gyro was meta in heart of thorn era and yeah you could see the gyro and the field still.

    people complain about full on stealth with no counterplay being unfun to play against, then their class gets stealth and they suddenly switch sides...
    Stealth is kitten in this game imo it's only fun for the ones with access to stealth, previous sneak gyro was one of the best implementations of stealth in this game (For both parties).

  • felincyriac.5981felincyriac.5981 Member ✭✭✭

    @felincyriac.5981 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Ruufio.1496 said:
    Visible stealth, great idea

    Sneak Gyro was meta in heart of thorn era and yeah you could see the gyro and the field still.

    people complain about full on stealth with no counterplay being unfun to play against, then their class gets stealth and they suddenly switch sides...
    Stealth is kitten in this game imo it's only fun for the ones with access to stealth, previous sneak gyro was one of the best implementations of stealth in this game (For both parties).

    Also core necro can't kill a scrapper, at best it stalls then dies.

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