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So When Can We Expect a Path Forward Post?

Vlad Morbius.1759Vlad Morbius.1759 Member ✭✭✭
edited March 8, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

I know it has only been two weeks which is why it isn't titled why don't we have a path forward post, that said when can we expect something? Also can we get some clarification on some very specific questions that have been asked for the last while such as ; expansions yes or no?, QoL plans, WvW and PvP direction?

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  • Kal Spiro.9745Kal Spiro.9745 Member ✭✭✭

    "Expect" sounds like strong language to use

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  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They're putting out Living World Season 5 in the next few months, give or take, while working on Season 6 and Expac 3. What more do you need?

    Reductio ad absurdum

  • Garkus.2183Garkus.2183 Member ✭✭

    pls use ETA in future so people who don't know what ETA means won't think it sounds too entitled

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2019

    @Trise.2865 said:
    They're putting out Living World Season 5 in the next few months, give or take, while working on Season 6 and Expac 3. What more do you need?

    Where did you get this new information?? Last statues quo was: one more LWS4 episode, then LWS5. No word of a Season 6 nor a third expansion.

  • Amaranthe.3578Amaranthe.3578 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trise.2865 said:
    They're putting out Living World Season 5 in the next few months, give or take, while working on Season 6 and Expac 3. What more do you need?

    Where did you see anything regarding S6 or expac 3?

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:
    They're putting out Living World Season 5 in the next few months, give or take, while working on Season 6 and Expac 3. What more do you need?

    Where did you get this new information?? Last statues quo was: one more LWS4 episode, then LWS5. No word of a Season 6 nor a third expansion.

    What else are they going to do? all go on vacation?

    Reductio ad absurdum

  • Arzurag.7506Arzurag.7506 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:
    They're putting out Living World Season 5 in the next few months, give or take, while working on Season 6 and Expac 3. What more do you need?

    Where did you get this new information?? Last statues quo was: one more LWS4 episode, then LWS5. No word of a Season 6 nor a third expansion.

    What else are they going to do? all go on vacation?

    Well, they said that they want to release ls5 instead of a new expansion

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  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:
    What else are they going to do? all go on vacation?

    You don't present your own assumptions as facts, or you will always end up with people asking you for a source of your fabricated "information."

    "Business will continue doing business" is hardly an assumption.

    Reductio ad absurdum

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:
    What else are they going to do? all go on vacation?

    You don't present your own assumptions as facts, or you will always end up with people asking you for a source of your fabricated "information."

    "Business will continue doing business" is hardly an assumption.

    In situation where a lot of hints we've received show they do not in fact work on expac, those assumptions of yours are actually very big ones. And so far completely unsupported.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Is 250 Devs a 'minimum crew'? If it's more than said 'minimum crew', what are the rest of the Devs working on?

  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2019

    Just their claims? Really, if you think the statements are not true, why associate with the studio, at all. Seems a bit odd.
    And, if the studio did offer a 'path forward' statement, surely it would not be believed, so why ask for one?

  • Vlad Morbius.1759Vlad Morbius.1759 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2019

    Why not ask for one? Should this studio be exempt from questions from people or money invested in this game? I, like many just want some answers. 7 years on and a ton of money spent, I think I'm due details about where this game is headed, as I'm sure most long time players feel. Without some clear and concise commitment from leadership, why bother hanging on? I love the game it's the best MMO I've been involved in since it launched but if the studio is ready to let it die i won't stay another minute or spend another dollar.
    I think it's a death knoll without a path forward, it just reinforces the ideology the game has a limited future and as soon as something new and comparable comes around it'll fade into oblivion and that's a shame. Mobile games cannot and will not capture the MMO market, and since when is 15 million profit not a reason to continue?

  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you are responding to my post, the question was: why ask for a statement on a 'path forward' if the belief is everything the studio says is a lie?
    Personally, I believe their statements; I can't see how lying would be of benefit.

    Also, I've yet to see/hear the statement that future expansions are canceled. Only that we would be offered Season 5 directly after Season 4.

  • MoriMoriMori.5349MoriMoriMori.5349 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2019

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    why ask for a statement on a 'path forward' if the belief is everything the studio says is a lie?

    That's not how it works. Telling lies is PR's bad craftsmanship analogue. The true arts of meddling with people minds lies in telling half-truths and withholding information. The more vague your responses are, the less obligations you have, in the end. They just didn't understand what you said back then, duh! You never actually said what everybody assumed you did! So lack of clear statements of future plans is even more alarming. What have they said so far? "Those events won't affect GW2". Welp, that can effectively mean they will continue to keep game in maintenance mode for 5 more years as well, with no more content added to it. Technically, they never said there will be further development, you know, only that the current state won't change.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MoriMoriMori.5349 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    why ask for a statement on a 'path forward' if the belief is everything the studio says is a lie?

    That's not how it works. Telling lies is PR's bad craftsmanship analogue. The true arts of meddling with people minds lies in telling half-truths and withholding information. The more vague your responses are, the less obligations you have, in the end. They just didn't understand what you said back then, duh! You never actually said what everybody assumed you did! So lack of clear statements of future plans is even more alarming. What have they said so far? "Those events won't affect GW2". Welp, that can effectively mean they will continue to keep game in maintenance mode for 5 more years as well, with no more content added to it. Technically, they never said there will be further development, you know, only that the current state won't change.

    So by your "very large" assumption, no more development.. that would suggest that they have already developed S5 so no more dev work required as its gone into maintenance mode..

    Just stop with all your "you know nothing but its all fact" nonsense.
    Either be patient for some kind of plan to be unveiled or, uninstall if the game/the studio is so not to your liking and everything they say must be a lie.

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  • Vlad Morbius.1759Vlad Morbius.1759 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:> Just stop with all your "you know nothing but its all fact" nonsense.
    Either be patient for some kind of plan to be unveiled or, uninstall if the game/the studio is so not to your liking and everything they say must be a lie.

    Because uninstalling the game is a great solution, and what the studio wants? My reason for posting wasn't some demand it was a question from a long time player looking for answers, why is that so horrible? I think Anet and NCSoft need to respond and sooner rather than later because not doing so sends a terribly negative message to the player base. I don't care what Anet's policy was regarding information, it's unsustainable in an MMO market, and all it does is push away their customer base. I am sympathetic to their cuts, I've had to do it myself many times throughout my career but in the end I always advised my customers and gave them a clear plan of our direction and why we had to do what we did. I will not go quietly into the night I will rage and rage against the night....why because this game deserves it, we deserve it!

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Is 250 Devs a 'minimum crew'? If it's more than said 'minimum crew', what are the rest of the Devs working on?

    Who knows? I guess that's why people would like them to communicate their plans in a bit more detail.

    There were 400 devs and an unknown number of them were working on several unannounced projects. This was hardly surprising given the slow rate of development in all areas of the game (PvP, WvW, fractals, raids and the LS releases). It is a huge assumption to think that the remaining 250 or so devs will all be put onto GW2, they may have other projects that weren't cancelled.

    So yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect more communication and I believe it's in ArenaNet's best interests to share more details on their plans in order to assuage their customer's fears.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:
    What else are they going to do? all go on vacation?

    You don't present your own assumptions as facts, or you will always end up with people asking you for a source of your fabricated "information."

    "Business will continue doing business" is hardly an assumption.

    In situation where a lot of hints we've received show they do not in fact work on expac, those assumptions of yours are actually very big ones. And so far completely unsupported.

    I can guarantee you they're going to work on it. Whether or not they release it, and in what form, is another matter entirely. Unless you believe the studio is only working on a single object at a time? in a continuity-driven experience like Living World?

    Reductio ad absurdum

  • AlexxxDelta.1806AlexxxDelta.1806 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Trise.2865 said:
    What else are they going to do? all go on vacation?

    You don't present your own assumptions as facts, or you will always end up with people asking you for a source of your fabricated "information."

    "Business will continue doing business" is hardly an assumption.

    In situation where a lot of hints we've received show they do not in fact work on expac, those assumptions of yours are actually very big ones. And so far completely unsupported.

    I can guarantee you they're going to work on it. Whether or not they release it, and in what form, is another matter entirely. Unless you believe the studio is only working on a single object at a time? in a continuity-driven experience like Living World?

    They just had a radical restructuring and their business plans for post-LS5 (if they even have them right now), could be a myriad different things which may or may not include an expansion among them. As others have said, facts and wishful thinking are two entirely different things.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vlad Morbius.1759 said:

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:> Just stop with all your "you know nothing but its all fact" nonsense.
    Either be patient for some kind of plan to be unveiled or, uninstall if the game/the studio is so not to your liking and everything they say must be a lie.

    Because uninstalling the game is a great solution, and what the studio wants? My reason for posting wasn't some demand it was a question from a long time player looking for answers, why is that so horrible? I think Anet and NCSoft need to respond and sooner rather than later because not doing so sends a terribly negative message to the player base. I don't care what Anet's policy was regarding information, it's unsustainable in an MMO market, and all it does is push away their customer base. I am sympathetic to their cuts, I've had to do it myself many times throughout my career but in the end I always advised my customers and gave them a clear plan of our direction and why we had to do what we did. I will not go quietly into the night I will rage and rage against the night....why because this game deserves it, we deserve it!

    Hmm, I never said you asking for some form of a roadmap was a horrible thing.. my post was countering another poster not you.
    I actually agree that some clarification of what lies ahead for the game beyond LS5 is required and it is more than likely that information will be forthcoming at some point in the future when ANET have been able to restructure, refocus and feel the time is right.
    Of course, there is no guarantees that we will like what we here.. so for now be thankful the plan is to push on with LS4 and onto LS5.. that was always the plan looking at the next 12-18month whether an expac is or was planned, so from that perspective nothing has changed.
    The fact that many of us come here to voice opinion and debate assumptions, some as far fetched and made up as they likely are, shows we all care in some small way.
    So as of now we have a clear direction, we know what ANET/NC Soft has had to do and why.. the rest is not really any of our business and we would never be/shall never be parley to why's and wherefores of their respective business's. All we can do as players is try to be patient, allow the dust to settle and decide whether we still enjoy the game enough to keep logging in and maybe spending some coin if something should take our fancy in the gemstore… why, because that is all we can do other than turning our backs on it, which personally, I don't think ANET is deserving of that - but that's just my opinion.

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Also, I've yet to see/hear the statement that future expansions are canceled. Only that we would be offered Season 5 directly after Season 4.

    There was a link posted on how, in late 2018, Mike Z stated that the game would "not get a third expansion, at least not anytime soon." So there is reason to ask the question.

  • Lol i will say probably never.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Short answer: Never, we get information one maybe two weeks in advance if anything.

    A longer answer: ANet used to give out dates or tell us what they were working on but they never got good credit for it. Basically when they announced that "feature X is coming to GW2 on date Y", the community got one part overhyped and one part all doom and gloom over nothing of signifiance for month in advance leading to disapointment for everyone. Also god forbid feature X was delayed for a day or a week, the forums would light up with entitled "Feature X when?!?!?!?!?!?!?!", "Why did Anet lie to us about feautre X?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" or "If feature X is delayed any further I will delete the game and I'm a whale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" threads. This leads, over the years but especially between the release of the two expansions to a policy of "We're telling you something is ready when it's ready and we'll release it shortly after, fixing afterwards what might have been broken on the way". This policy is still in place and, as sad as it might be, may be the better approach considering the community of "unsatisfied customers" we see not just with this game but basically everywhere on ze interwebs. Also, the community, or at least a very vocal minority of it, seems to confuse a statement like "we're looking into X" with something like "we're promissing you that X will come out next week and it will be exctly what you imagine it to be like". Of course this leads to even harsher and unjustified backlash when feature X comes out and it's not able to cater to each and everyones expections, which is impossible for any given feature, no feature can please everyones individual hopes and dreams about it. ANet has become very silent, and in times like these, where we hear about layoffs and such, this can feel very unsatisfying to the customer. After all, we've sunken many hours of the past 6 years into this game and we're attached to it. But ANet wasn't like that from the beginning and I think one of the main reasons they changed was because of community backlashes. Just look at the forums today, people love this game and they love it enough to create thread after thread with "great Ideas to save the game", "Go sub based", "Sell [enter whatever popculture referenced outifit/gimmik floats your boat here] on the gemshop, everybody wants it and it will save the farm...errr game". Just imagine how these people would react if ANet still went out there telling people what they're working on and giving out ETAs. These players are so attached to the game that they think they know best and that their ideas are the most reasonable thing to do. Can you imagine how the forums would light up if ANet announced something that's not like what their great idea is? We all would love to know what's going on and we'd love to know exactly when the next expansion, the next release will come out and what will be in it. But I think internet communities like these are just not capable of handling that information in a productive manner. Sad but true I guess. Some companies work around this by producing the most vague marketing speak possible, but I'd rather have no information than empty corporate speak. I'd rather have them suprise me a week or two in advance than telling us "We have great features planned for the future. It will be awesome, trust me" months beforehand.

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  • Yargesh.4965Yargesh.4965 Member ✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Just their claims? Really, if you think the statements are not true, why associate with the studio, at all. Seems a bit odd.
    And, if the studio did offer a 'path forward' statement, surely it would not be believed, so why ask for one?

    She has a very valid point here. Several forum posters have been on for years about being lied to, not getting what they so rightly deserve etc. Then asking for a home visit with cake and cookies for them to lay out future plans and wait for divine approval is a little bit weird but par for the course.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 10, 2019

    I would reallily ike Anet to start trowing bones, once in a blue moon. No need to spoilers, no promises.
    Just a simple 'hello Tyria, we are fine' with some cutscene from episode. Will give WoodenPotato material for 2.40 minutes analyses and to rest of us 2-3 weeks of peace.

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  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Also, I've yet to see/hear the statement that future expansions are canceled. Only that we would be offered Season 5 directly after Season 4.

    There was a link posted on how, in late 2018, Mike Z stated that the game would "not get a third expansion, at least not anytime soon." So there is reason to ask the question.

    Yeah I read that and it does raise more questions than answers for sure.
    GW2 and GW1 before are very player friendly when put next to other MMO's.
    There are things I think ANET really missed out on in terms of revenue generation within GW2.. one prime example was Guild Halls and Home Instances
    I look at other examples of examples of these systems in other MMO's and it really is a headscratcher why in a game they want to have play on players cosmetic ego's they did not put a lot more energy into creating this side of the game.
    I look for example at SWTOR, a gear stat heavy MMO that saw there was an opening to explore players desire to create something of their own, to make it look better than others, to invite others to peruse their efforts and really ignite creativity amongst the player base, something that is really stunted within GW2's punitive effort.. and then of course it became abandoned.
    They scribing profession that was implemented alongside is simply to restrictive for many and from a guild perspective does not push more than 1 or 2 players to having to put themselves through the levelling up process anyways.. but to utilise it for player housing would of made Scribe much more lucrative for players especially if decos could then be crafted for selling.
    I think the initial mistake for GH's was there was no actual "cost" to acquiring one.. perhaps they could of worked on a guild member donation system, just like they have for upgrades, but centred around players gems contributions, then once that has been fulfilled then engage the GH quest.
    There were so many missed opportunities with systems like Home instance/GH's and more lately Suns Refuge, it beggars belief they just let them fall by the wayside.. I mean the first thing that came to mind was.. gemstore would have a whole new range of cosmetics it could throw at us.
    If long term expansions were going to be pulled, I wonder if that had a hand in the departure of people like CJ, perhaps the internals were already in turmoil a few years back after HoT.

    Personally I like LS and I think it was a mistake to just walk away from bringing Scarlets War and turning it into a 30second slideshow for new players or players like me that enjoy replaying story on alts from time to time. But LS is content filler imo and I do fear if LS is their only plan beyond LS5 then it wont be anough to compete with other studio's and certainly allow mobile to take more away from GW2.
    Layoffs are never nice, but neither are they an indication ANET are in trouble or that GW2 is not profitable, it just had additional costs that were necessary at the time but could not longer be sustained by NC Soft as their ageing portfolio is declining in revenue.. it sucks but that is business and cutting costs to keep profitability at the levels they demand is a thing.
    As I said previously, I am sure when the dust settles and ANET have been afforded some time to regather their thoughts, refocus on their goals they will put some snippitts of info out to us as to their roadmap.. it just might not be what we all want or hope for so then we all have a choice to make, but now is probably not the right time.

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:
    Just a simple 'hello Tyria, we are fine' with some cutscene from episode.

    That would not be enough and isn't what most people on here are waiting for. We want a straight out statement on future expansions and whether they are or will start working on one in the near future.

  • AlexxxDelta.1806AlexxxDelta.1806 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @phs.6089 said:
    Just a simple 'hello Tyria, we are fine' with some cutscene from episode.

    That would not be enough and isn't what most people on here are waiting for. We want a straight out statement on future expansions and whether they are or will start working on one in the near future.

    They have pretty much confirmed they won't be working on an expansion in the near future. And after the recent changes I doubt they have formulated a long term plan yet although that's just a guess. If they come out and say "hey, we don't know when we 'll do another expansion, if we even do one" they will loose a considerable portion of the playerbase who are "expansion purists". That would send the game to a downwards spiral so not giving out a straight out statement is a smart move on their part.

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