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Going To Ember Bay (200 gems)

zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭
edited March 12, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

So after all the wvwvwing and pvping, i decided to do some pve and i wanted to go to Ember Bay. But the easiest i know to go there is completing a Living Story Episode.

and it costs 200 gems to unlock.

On my main account, all the LS stories of HoT and PoF are unlocked. the account that i used to get the Screenshot also has HoT and PoF but i bought the expansions late so i have to buy the LS 's with Gems. Why is this So?

So how to go to Ember Bay? and why the LS's are prized with gems? i already have the expansions.

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  • ROMANG.1903ROMANG.1903 Member ✭✭✭

    200 gems isn't a lot and isn't actually that bad of a deal. You take half a week at max to get it, we had to wat 2 to 3 months each time back when it came out.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Living World episodes aren't part of the expansions - they're seperate DLC. Therefore buying the expansion does not unlock them.

    There is an on-going...arrangement (promotion?) where if you log in during the 'release period' for each episode - the time between it's release and the next one coming out - you get it unlocked permanently for free. That is why one of your accounts has it and the other doesn't. But again that's nothing to do with buying the expansions - even free accounts will unlock the episodes if they log in during that time and any account which missed that period (either because it wasn't created until later or because it wasn't logged in during the release) will have to buy them, even after buying the expansions.

    Finally the only way to get to Ember Bay is to buy the episode, there's no way to access the map without it. Even using a Teleport to Friend item won't work.

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    And you run till night is black, And keep on going in your dreams,
    And you know all the long while, It's the journey that you seek,
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  • What others seems to miss is that topic starter has mentioned that he already have those LS episodes unlocked on his main account. And now is forced to buy them again at his 2nd account. Now, this doesn't really make much sense, even with all considerations given. Why should he pay twice?

  • MoriMoriMori.5349MoriMoriMori.5349 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Makes perfect sense to me ... why would Anet enable account sharing of purchases? You do realize how badly this could be abused right? How it sets Anet up to lost revenue?

    Because effectively it's the same person. They could at least allow some kind of account linkage - as long as only one such account is active at the same time. Similar to what Steam does, allowing to share games between your families' accounts, but limiting it to only one active instance at a time.

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    I mean, I sort of question why any player would repeat such content on a second account to begin with ... because the first account just wasn't enough?

    To play as a total stranger, without anybody be able to recognize him, for example? Makes perfect sense for somebody who is well known for a lot of ppl in game, and just wants to get some rest and not be disturbed, without explaining reasons to other ppl, or getting into awkward situations, like being caught by his friend playing in invisible mode.

  • @IndigoSundown.5419 said:

    @MoriMoriMori.5349 said:
    What others seems to miss is that topic starter has mentioned that he already have those LS episodes unlocked on his main account. And now is forced to buy them again at his 2nd account. Now, this doesn't really make much sense, even with all considerations given. Why should he pay twice?

    Did he have to buy the XPac's twice? Yes.

    And that isn't right as well.

  • @Obtena.7952 said:
    That makes no sense, like honest, zero.

    So, Valve invested in nonsensical similar feature? Now, this statement makes no sense, that's true.

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    If the person wants a service twice, they pay twice.

    But they don't, assuming only one account is used at a time. Are you overly-concerned about those few more kB additional account takes in Anet's DB?

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    No reasonable person would expect to get content for free just because they bought a second account and unlocked it in another.

    Where is it "for free"? He paid for it already. No reasonable person would expect be forced to pay twice for the same thing, that's true.

  • MoriMoriMori.5349MoriMoriMori.5349 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    No, he didn't pay for it already ... he bought a second account

    He did pay it already, for the access to content and share of server's processing time.

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    the content is linked to the account, not a person.

    Exactly, that's where it doesn't make sense. That's as if to play a single-player game at another computer you would have to buy the game one more time. Even the most greedy publishers still at least allow to bind the same game/account to a few machines, until only one instance of the game is launched at a time.

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    It's irrelevant if he's using the account at different times (I can't even begin to understand how that is a factor at all)

    That's quite an easy concept to understand, not sure what can be a problem here. You pay for access to content and servers' resources. If he plays only with one account at a time, he "consumes" the same amount of server's processing power, and he's already paid for content. What can be easier to understand than this?

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    I think you simply don't understand what you are paying for in an MMO ... you don't 'buy' an account and the content in it. You pay for a service to access an account that holds your personal progress

    Oh, so you seem to understand this! Then why he has to pay more, when he still consumes the same "amount of service" (he plays only with one account at a time)? The only difference is that his data in DB is now doubled. But those few kBs hardly justify paying for all content twice, storage costs very little these days, unless it's a "big data".

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    That's Anet's business model.

    That's correct. Quite a grabby one, though.

  • @Obtena.7952 said:
    The content is unlocked PER ACCOUNT.

    No matter how many times you will re-state that fact, it won't make it less nonsensical, or less grabby as a business model.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    200 gems is barely anything when it's for content , which requires voice acting, level design, reward design, environment artists, cutscene creators, etc.

    It's a stark contrast to a 2000 gem mount skin which is sometimes a lazy reskin with extra dye channels. If there's anything to complain about it's not about 200 gems for content.

  • mercury ranique.2170mercury ranique.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭

    As explained by others, there is only one reason you do not have this episode unlocked. You didnt login the game in the timeframe where this episode was themost recent episode and therefor didnt unlock it on your account for free.
    If you think this is not correct (e.g. cause you didnt take any gap from playing), you can contact support (although I would not know if they can verify your claim after this time). Otherwise you can get the gems with gold or money and pay the prize.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    So after all the wvwvwing and pvping, i decided to do some pve and i wanted to go to Ember Bay. But the easiest i know to go there is completing a Living Story Episode.

    and it costs 200 gems to unlock.

    On my main account, all the LS stories of HoT and PoF are unlocked. the account that i used to get the Screenshot also has HoT and PoF but i bought the expansions late so i have to buy the LS 's with Gems. Why is this So?

    So how to go to Ember Bay? and why the LS's are prized with gems? i already have the expansions.

    Welcome to the kitten monetisation of GW2.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vyncius.6105 said:
    On top of that you sound like a typical "Karen" "Call the manager, because i want to complain, i've bought 1 donut, but i want all donuts, because i already payed for 1" (read in D. Trump voice)

    Getting political is unnecessary.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @MoriMoriMori.5349 said:
    What others seems to miss is that topic starter has mentioned that he already have those LS episodes unlocked on his main account. And now is forced to buy them again at his 2nd account. Now, this doesn't really make much sense, even with all considerations given. Why should he pay twice?

    Makes perfect sense to me ... why would Anet enable account sharing of purchases? You do realize how badly this could be abused right? How it sets Anet up to lost revenue?

    I mean, I sort of question why any player would repeat such content on a second account to begin with ... because the first account just wasn't enough? The complaint is weird ... 2 accounts is certainly a luxury ... but 200 gems is a problem? I mean, something sounds weird here.

    i have to wait for 2.5 months to get the suspension lifted on my main and the account i used to post the screenshot from is the closest thing that can get to doing some decent pve.

    and i want to pve at the moment.

    and i don't mind if the LS's can be bought by gems. yeah they can do that all they want but the access to new maps must not be gated with gems/gold, i think.

  • Blude.6812Blude.6812 Member ✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    i have to wait for 2.5 months to get my main be not suspended again and the account i used to post the screenshot from is the closest thing that can get to doing some decent pve.

    WHY????
    'nuff said on this subject. If you want access you can buy them

  • @MoriMoriMori.5349 said:
    What others seems to miss is that topic starter has mentioned that he already have those LS episodes unlocked on his main account. And now is forced to buy them again at his 2nd account. Now, this doesn't really make much sense, even with all considerations given. Why should he pay twice?

    Because it's another account. By this logic, if you buy them, I should get them for free.

  • @ProtoGunner.4953 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    So after all the wvwvwing and pvping, i decided to do some pve and i wanted to go to Ember Bay. But the easiest i know to go there is completing a Living Story Episode.

    and it costs 200 gems to unlock.

    On my main account, all the LS stories of HoT and PoF are unlocked. the account that i used to get the Screenshot also has HoT and PoF but i bought the expansions late so i have to buy the LS 's with Gems. Why is this So?

    So how to go to Ember Bay? and why the LS's are prized with gems? i already have the expansions.

    Welcome to the kitten monetisation of GW2.

    What? So, did you buy the LS? If so, why can't I access them if I create another account. It's the same principle, one person buys, another gets them for free, right?

    Here's a thought, let's go to a restaurant, I'll order some food, you order some food and try to leave w/out paying because I paid for mine. I'll send you a few bucks to pay off Bubba while you're in jail.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    ya'll been mistaken lel.

    im not advocating that i should get the ls's unlocked based on my main account which has all ls unlocked. they are different and separate accounts. the thing that i gripe about is that access to new maps (which came with the expansion obviously) must not be GATED.

    and about my multi accounting, i foresaw that my playtime on an account can be interrupted for some time (e.g. suspensions). so i bought some accounts. not to mention the laurels.

    so yeah.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @Goettel.4389 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    ya'll been mistaken lel.

    im not advocating that i should get the ls's unlocked based on my main account which has all ls unlocked. they are different and separate accounts. the thing that i gripe about is that access to new maps (which came with the expansion obviously) must not be GATED.

    and about my multi accounting, i foresaw that my playtime on an account can be interrupted for some time (e.g. suspensions). so i bought some accounts. not to mention the laurels.

    so yeah.

    Except the new maps don't come with the expansions.
    From the (official) wiki: The episodes serve as the ongoing storyline between expansions.

    And since the only requirement to play them free is to actually, you know, PLAY the game, it's hard to see a problem here.

    yeah, if you mean play the game is "to get/farm 50 gold and unlock the map", yeah.

  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    yeah, if you mean play the game is "to get/farm 50 gold and unlock the map", yeah.

    No it means you should have be online on that account when you had the chance to get the content for free. I'm supposing you knew that but didn't. Which is why you should read the label of products you buy.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @Goettel.4389 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    yeah, if you mean play the game is "to get/farm 50 gold and unlock the map", yeah.

    No it means you should have be online on that account when you had the chance to get the content for free. I'm supposing you knew that but didn't. Which is why you should read the label of products you buy.

    i mentioned in original post that i bought HoT late on my other account. so i don't have the HoT LS unlocked.

    and as a consequence, i have to get 200gems to get into Ember Bay.

  • Graymalkyn.8076Graymalkyn.8076 Member ✭✭✭

    You can buy 800 gems for $10. That makes 200 gems = $2.50. You can't even get a mediocre fast food burger for that.

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  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @Graymalkyn.8076 said:
    You can buy 800 gems for $10. That makes 200 gems = $2.50. You can't even get a mediocre fast food burger for that.

    i've farmed gold for 11 Black Lion Keys by changing gold to gems (coz i wanted something unique to do) so 50 gold is not even a problem.

    the reason that i posted that is that access to new maps must be on the fly and not GATED as long as you have expansions. They can gem Gate the other LS episodes, which is not a problem to me.

  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Goettel.4389 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    yeah, if you mean play the game is "to get/farm 50 gold and unlock the map", yeah.

    No it means you should have be online on that account when you had the chance to get the content for free. I'm supposing you knew that but didn't. Which is why you should read the label of products you buy.

    i mentioned in original post that i bought HoT late on my other account. so i don't have the HoT LS unlocked.

    and as a consequence, i have to get 200gems to get into Ember Bay.

    Indeed you do. Didn't you know that before you got the other account?

    Look, I get it, but surely you realize that having more than one account puts you in a very, very small percentage of ANet customers.
    Their products are catering to 99% of their clientele. That's just good business, so don't sweat it :-) 200 gems really is chump-change, and it's not like you didn't know, right?

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    im not advocating that i should get the ls's unlocked based on my main account which has all ls unlocked. they are different and separate accounts. the thing that i gripe about is that access to new maps (which came with the expansion obviously) must not be GATED.

    The map is part of the ls episode, not the expansion. For people who don't care about the story, it's the main piece of content for the ls episode. Starting with LS3, each episode adds a new map, with an associated storyline and masteries, achievements, skins, and so on.

  • Also, when an expansion is purchased doesn't matter. Even if you don't own the corresponding x-pack you still "bank" episodes so that they're unlocked as soon as you do buy it.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭
    edited March 13, 2019

    @Graymalkyn.8076 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Graymalkyn.8076 said:
    You can buy 800 gems for $10. That makes 200 gems = $2.50. You can't even get a mediocre fast food burger for that.

    i've farmed gold for 11 Black Lion Keys by changing gold to gems (coz i wanted something unique to do) so 50 gold is not even a problem.

    the reason that i posted that is that access to new maps must be on the fly and not GATED as long as you have expansions. They can gem Gate the other LS episodes, which is not a problem to me.

    I see. So it's ok to gem gate what you don't care about, but by god, they need to open up what you do want?

    Seriously, tho, what you are asking for is akin to saying " I have a [gas station X] card, and I put gas in my first car, so the gas in my second car should be free."

    do i friggin sound selfish here? am i only the one who bought HoT late?

    kitten. lel.

    and as i've said, different accounts are not linked. so what was been unlocked in my main cannot be linked to the other and carry over the unlocks (what have you pushing and stressing is akin to that if i unlocked Eternity on my main, there should be a mechanism to be unlocked it in the other account, lel.), except that the other must ACCESS the NEW MAPS without GATING.

  • joneirikb.7506joneirikb.7506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    the reason that i posted that is that access to new maps must be on the fly and not GATED as long as you have expansions. They can gem Gate the other LS episodes, which is not a problem to me.

    Maps added with HoT:

    • Verdant Brink
    • Auric Basin
    • Tangled Depths
    • Dragon's Stand
    • Bloodstone Fen

    Maps added with LS3: (also requires HOT, but requires buying LS3 episode)

    • Bloodstone Fen
    • Ember Bay
    • Bitterfrost Frontier
    • Lake Doric
    • Draconis Mons
    • Siren's Landing

    Maps added with PoF:

    • Crystal Oasis
    • Desert Highlands
    • Elon Riverlands
    • The Desolation
    • Domain of Vabbi.

    Maps added with LS4: (also requires POF, but requires buying LS4 episode)

    • Domain of Istan
    • Sandswept Isles
    • Domain of Kourna
    • Jahai Bluffs
    • Thunderhead Peaks

    So by this Ember Bay is a LS3 release, and not part of HOT expansion. Thus you do not get automatic access to it just because you have HOT. (But you need HOT to be able to access it, even if you do have it).

    All the new maps introduced with LS episodes, require you to unlock that episode (Either gems, or getting it free for logging on in the time window).

    The map itself, for various reasons, is one of the main lures and reasons a lot of people buy/play the new LS, especially for those that aren't interested in the story but enjoy exploration. Requesting that the map be released separated from the story is likely to lower the sales of LS episodes for ANet, so I wouldn't expect them to even consider it.

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  • Blude.6812Blude.6812 Member ✭✭✭

    OP??? What did you do to get an account suspended for 2.5 months?

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Graymalkyn.8076 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Graymalkyn.8076 said:
    You can buy 800 gems for $10. That makes 200 gems = $2.50. You can't even get a mediocre fast food burger for that.

    i've farmed gold for 11 Black Lion Keys by changing gold to gems (coz i wanted something unique to do) so 50 gold is not even a problem.

    the reason that i posted that is that access to new maps must be on the fly and not GATED as long as you have expansions. They can gem Gate the other LS episodes, which is not a problem to me.

    I see. So it's ok to gem gate what you don't care about, but by god, they need to open up what you do want?

    Seriously, tho, what you are asking for is akin to saying " I have a [gas station X] card, and I put gas in my first car, so the gas in my second car should be free."

    do i friggin sound selfish here? am i only the one who bought HoT late?

    kitten. lel.

    and as i've said, different accounts are not linked. so what was been unlocked in my main cannot be linked to the other and carry over the unlocks (what have you pushing and stressing is akin to that if i unlocked Eternity on my main, there should be a mechanism to be unlocked it in the other account, lel.), except that the other must ACCESS the NEW MAPS without GATING.

    But as poster above you stated it dont work like that, if you hit the dates living story season 3 episodes was live on even a free to play account you should have them unlocked when buying expansion.

    @Tanner Blackfeather.6509 said:
    Also, when an expansion is purchased doesn't matter. Even if you don't own the corresponding x-pack you still "bank" episodes so that they're unlocked as soon as you do buy it.

  • IndigoSundown.5419IndigoSundown.5419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The fact is that ANet essentially gives DLC content for free. This includes any new maps in those releases. That's the way they package the releases. There are no requirements other than buying the prior XPac, and logging in. This business practice is unusual in the MMO industry. ESO, for example, either sells its DLC (which usually includes new maps) or rents them to "subscribers." Either way, there is a cost for every release and its maps. The cost for a DLC or the rental fee are quite a bit higher than the fee for a LS chapter.

    Now, maybe there are free-to-play games that give new maps away. If so, they make money some other way, whether everyone pays, or just some of the players. I also wonder whether they are worth playing, as every one I've tried was not.

    I regularly see people complaining about having to buy a LS release when they did not qualify for free access. When I do, I think, "This is the price for giving something away." When people see someone else get a freebie, they think they should get it, too, even if they don't meet the required conditions. I guess this is human nature. I guess it's also human nature for me to wonder whether the complainers ever comparison shop. I somehow think not.

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