Why do HoT Ascended Weapon Collections take literally 3x the materials and currency as PoF ones?

Really, with the changes to Scrapper, I decided it was finally time to get Fir-r-Upper. Going along in the collection, finally get all the bits for the Plated Hammer, and then BAM, oh, wait, NOW I GET TO GRIND OUT almost 2x of the map currencies, AGAIN, and, and for the bonus round, rely on RNG for the last part OR a 2 hour meta map.

ANet, really, it's time to revisit these. PoF Ascended Weapon collections from Elite specs are about 3x easier. Yeah, the collections themselves would be hard to revise, but upping the drop rate from Noxious Pods and lowering the map currency costs at the vendors are easy to do.

HoT was a bit more hardcore. PoF is a puffpiece to appease the casuals. One of them is still played, one is a ghost town. I wonder which is which.

They lowered a lot of stuff in PoF, not just the costs of these collections.

@"SkyFallsInThunder.8257" said:HoT was a bit more hardcore. PoF is a puffpiece to appease the casuals. One of them is still played, one is a ghost town. I wonder which is which.

HoT is still played because Auric Basin meta still craps out liquid gold, that's it. People by and large follow rewards, not content.

I got 5 gold on accident in Auric Basin just doing map complete for that hammer, not even directly participating. That is why people are there.

If they were looking for a challenge, these folks would be in PvP or WvW, as other players will always be more dangerous than an AI HP sponge.

What you call "hardcore" is Grind, and timegates. That's it.

Stop fooling yourself.

For me the biggest hurdle of HoT collections were the required masteries and need for Mystic Coins. With full mastery unlocked and lots of coins in storage though, given a choice, I would much rather do HoT collections because I find there is less RNG involved, in that I don't have to get lucky and snag a caffeinated skritt, nor do I have to worry about getting certain escort/metas/bounties completed.

The Skrit is no problem. if you stand in Lily of the Elon there is always someone tagging a Skrit.Yes it is unbalanced but why are you doing it? Skin, AP oder just a ascenced weapon? You can craft one. its nearly the same cost.

Want the skin and I hate crafting, honestly.

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:If they were looking for a challenge, these folks would be in PvP or WvW, as other players will always be more dangerous than an AI HP sponge.

I respectfully must disagree. I've seen the average players in both PvP and WvW they are at best on par with the AI.

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:

@"SkyFallsInThunder.8257" said:HoT was a bit more hardcore. PoF is a puffpiece to appease the casuals. One of them is still played, one is a ghost town. I wonder which is which.

Thie gold part of course but the meta is really more fun than bounty hunting in POF maps

This one is actually extremely easy to answer. At the launch of PoF they were around the same as HoT and maybe even a bit more expensive than the HoT weapons. The main reason they have become so much cheaper is because of Istan farming providing a huge supply for the named Sunspear weapons required for the PoF weapon collections.

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:

@"SkyFallsInThunder.8257" said:HoT was a bit more hardcore. PoF is a puffpiece to appease the casuals. One of them is still played, one is a ghost town. I wonder which is which.

Then surely the cost won't matter, right? I mean, with all your superior skills, you should have that done just about as fast as the mobs respawn, and will probably be standing around waiting for that, right?

@"Khisanth.2948" said:This one is actually extremely easy to answer. At the launch of PoF they were around the same as HoT and maybe even a bit more expensive than the HoT weapons.

They were super expensive when PoF launched. You can find all sorts of threads complaining that the price was too steep.

The main reason they have become so much cheaper is because of Istan farming providing a huge supply for the named Sunspear weapons required for the PoF weapon collections.Which is also the correct answer to "why did ANet nerf Istan farming... twice."

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:ANet, really, it's time to revisit these. PoF Ascended Weapon collections from Elite specs are about 3x easier. Yeah, the collections themselves would be hard to revise, but upping the drop rate from Noxious Pods and lowering the map currency costs at the vendors are easy to do.

The PoF collections are easier (a lot easier now than at release), but I still think the HoT one are much, MUCH better.

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:HoT is still played because Auric Basin meta still craps out liquid gold, that's it. People by and large follow rewards, not content.

Not really. If people were just following rewards, they would simply be running laps around the Silverwastes.

People still play through all the three big original HoT meta events because they're profitable and they are fun. Which is great game design.

@TexZero.7910 said:

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:If they were looking for a challenge, these folks would be in PvP or WvW, as other players will always be more dangerous than an AI HP sponge.

Hmm. I never really minded the HoT collections - they are not too hard to do. In fact I prefer them over some of the PoF ones.

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:Want the skin and I hate crafting, honestly.

Then do the collection.

Or forfeit the skin because the collection is to tedious and use one of the easier methods to get an ascended weapon. We all had/have that choice.

What map curency? 300 airship parts? You got to be kidding. That is like 1 day event in VB.

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@TexZero.7910 said:

@"Kylden Ar.3724" said:If they were looking for a challenge, these folks would be in PvP or WvW, as other players will always be more dangerous than an AI HP sponge.

They're the statisical average for a reason. There's more of them than the "above average" players out there.So it's no more or less challenging than any other mode of play.

@Khisanth.2948 said:This one is actually extremely easy to answer. At the launch of PoF they were around the same as HoT and maybe even a bit more expensive than the HoT weapons. The main reason they have become so much cheaper is because of Istan farming providing a huge supply for the named Sunspear weapons required for the PoF weapon collections.

Y'know I completely forgot about the Sunspear weapons required for the collections. I think I've only completed the Necro Torch and Thief Rifle, but yeah, both times I just bought what I needed off the TP. Obviously that's much easier and cheaper to do today.

@TexZero.7910 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@TexZero.7910 said:

@"Kylden Ar.3724" said:If they were looking for a challenge, these folks would be in PvP or WvW, as other players will always be more dangerous than an AI HP sponge.

But yeah, no more or less challenging. Suuure.

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@TexZero.7910 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@TexZero.7910 said:

@"Kylden Ar.3724" said:If they were looking for a challenge, these folks would be in PvP or WvW, as other players will always be more dangerous than an AI HP sponge.

Even being fully skilled doesn't mean you have a 100% success rate in PvE. There's many factors outside of your control at any point in time that lower that percentage.

In PvP/WvW you can fully prepare for your opponents as well at the top tier. Why ? Because it's literally no different, pretty much everyone runs meta. It's virtually no different than knowing the the bosses attacks or timings for phases. People are no more dynamic than bosses espeically in PvP.

its buffed, on the 1st year the HoT events rewards was lesser.

@TexZero.7910 said:In PvP/WvW you can fully prepare for your opponents as well at the top tier. Why ? Because it's literally no different, pretty much everyone runs meta. It's virtually no different than knowing the the bosses attacks or timings for phases.

Sure, because in pvp you know exactly how your opponents will move, the order and timing of skills they will use, the tactics they will employ. Because in every single fight in the same difficulty tier the enemies will act exactly the same....oh wait.

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@TexZero.7910 said:In PvP/WvW you can fully prepare for your opponents as well at the top tier. Why ? Because it's literally no different, pretty much everyone runs meta. It's virtually no different than knowing the the bosses attacks or timings for phases.

Sure, because in pvp you know exactly how your opponents will move, the order and timing of skills they will use, the tactics they will employ. Because in every single fight in the same difficulty tier the enemies will act exactly the same....oh wait.

If you're talking about the best tier's of PvP yes, you do know that and yes they largely play the same unless they make huge mistakes.

@Kylden Ar.3724 said:ANet, really, it's time to revisit these.

Why should you have it easier than the rest of us?

I started looking at the HoT collections recently -- they all require mystic weapons (40-60g). Kind of insane if you ask me. Without the mystic weapon component, they would be alright.