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  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @melandru.3876 said:

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    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.

    i'm not telling you what to do
    i'm telling you what can be done

    game working as intended by the company

    Thank you I'm sure I know how and where to get things in this game.
    My point stands. With upcoming build templates, would be nice to have Fractal Legendary Armor as tribute to the most successful mod in this game

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

    Ah twisting my words again, 'can not' and 'annoying' but you know what, I'll tell ones again, whatever makes you happy.
    This topic isn't about raids or anything you have talked here.
    keep to subject please.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

    Ah twisting my words again, 'can not' and 'annoying' but you know what, I'll tell ones again, whatever makes you happy.
    This topic isn't about raids or anything you have talked here.
    keep to subject please.

    this topic is exactly about raids hence why legendary gear is able to be gained through raids, wvw, or pvp.
    i did not design this

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

    Ah twisting my words again, 'can not' and 'annoying' but you know what, I'll tell ones again, whatever makes you happy.
    This topic isn't about raids or anything you have talked here.
    keep to subject please.

    this topic is exactly about raids hence why legendary gear is able to be gained through raids, wvw, or pvp.
    i did not design this

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that have successfully failed as game mod. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    Now could you kindly get back to the subject? If not I'm going to ignore any other topic of yours.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

    Ah twisting my words again, 'can not' and 'annoying' but you know what, I'll tell ones again, whatever makes you happy.
    This topic isn't about raids or anything you have talked here.
    keep to subject please.

    this topic is exactly about raids hence why legendary gear is able to be gained through raids, wvw, or pvp.
    i did not design this

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    because pvp and raids take actual skill
    in fractals it takes 1 healscourge/1 heal fb to carry 4 bad players. fight will tak a while but will 100% succeed aslong as the heal fb/healscourge knows what it is doing.
    a game should not reward you for failing, it should punnish you

    the skill level in gw2 is riduculous low, because in open woeld there is zero challenge. the majority of the playerbase does nothing but "farm" and "open world". they will neve improve because they don't have to, or simply don't want to.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

    Ah twisting my words again, 'can not' and 'annoying' but you know what, I'll tell ones again, whatever makes you happy.
    This topic isn't about raids or anything you have talked here.
    keep to subject please.

    this topic is exactly about raids hence why legendary gear is able to be gained through raids, wvw, or pvp.
    i did not design this

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    because pvp and raids take actual skill
    in fractals it takes 1 healscourge/1 heal fb to carry 4 bad players. fight will tak a while but will 100% succeed aslong as the heal fb/healscourge knows what it is doing.
    a game should not reward you for failing, it should punnish you

    the skill level in gw2 is riduculous low, because in open woeld there is zero challenge. the majority of the playerbase does nothing but "farm" and "open world". they will neve improve because they don't have to, or simply don't want to.

    There is no heal scourge and FB can carry you trough subject 6 in t4 for instance, today's fractal LFG could prove it, if you have no skill and 1111111 in fractals. Let alone other bosses. Your point is invalid.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

    Ah twisting my words again, 'can not' and 'annoying' but you know what, I'll tell ones again, whatever makes you happy.
    This topic isn't about raids or anything you have talked here.
    keep to subject please.

    this topic is exactly about raids hence why legendary gear is able to be gained through raids, wvw, or pvp.
    i did not design this

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    because pvp and raids take actual skill
    in fractals it takes 1 healscourge/1 heal fb to carry 4 bad players. fight will tak a while but will 100% succeed aslong as the heal fb/healscourge knows what it is doing.
    a game should not reward you for failing, it should punnish you

    the skill level in gw2 is riduculous low, because in open woeld there is zero challenge. the majority of the playerbase does nothing but "farm" and "open world". they will neve improve because they don't have to, or simply don't want to.

    There is no heal scourge and FB can carry you trough subject 6 in t4 for instance, today's fractal LFG could prove it, if you have no skill and 1111111 in fractals. Let alone other bosses. You point is invalid.

    if you can't even kill subject 6 in t4, there is something rzally alarming with the people playing fractals in pug groups

    guide for dummies

    1) good group: attack it, wait till block, block ends, cc, burst, profit
    2) bad group: attack it, cc bar broken before block, block, focus adds, block ends, dps 25%, kill vetera ooze, rinse and repeat

    bad group takes 3 times as long to killa regular champion.

    remember when i said "not willing to improve" we have come to this point again.

    same why bad groups fail at siren's reef time after time (small tip: focus this guy https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elite_Quartermaster , unless you like getting your attacks blocked)

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2019

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    dead failed mods?
    there are currently more lfg's for raids, then for fractals
    you are countering your own argument why fractal need a legendary gearset compared to raids

    this is getting laughable

    Yeah 9 outa 10 LFG in raids are 'Selling raids', that is laughable.
    It's so not dead that Anet had to organize giveaway trough Snowcrow to somehow bring community attention to raids

    zero issues to find weekly raid groups
    maybe if the gw2 playerbase increased in skill (can be achieved by making open world alot harder so 11111111 doesn't bring you all the way) they would be "fit" for raids

    you could not even dodge roll every 10 seconds to deal with birds..let alone you doing actual mechanics

    Ah twisting my words again, 'can not' and 'annoying' but you know what, I'll tell ones again, whatever makes you happy.
    This topic isn't about raids or anything you have talked here.
    keep to subject please.

    this topic is exactly about raids hence why legendary gear is able to be gained through raids, wvw, or pvp.
    i did not design this

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    because pvp and raids take actual skill
    in fractals it takes 1 healscourge/1 heal fb to carry 4 bad players. fight will tak a while but will 100% succeed aslong as the heal fb/healscourge knows what it is doing.
    a game should not reward you for failing, it should punnish you

    the skill level in gw2 is riduculous low, because in open woeld there is zero challenge. the majority of the playerbase does nothing but "farm" and "open world". they will neve improve because they don't have to, or simply don't want to.

    There is no heal scourge and FB can carry you trough subject 6 in t4 for instance, today's fractal LFG could prove it, if you have no skill and 1111111 in fractals. Let alone other bosses. You point is invalid.

    if you can't even kill subject 6 in t4, there is something rzally alarming with the people playing fractals in pug groups

    guide for dummies

    1) good group: attack it, wait till block, block ends, cc, burst, profit
    2) bad group: attack it, cc bar broken before block, block, focus adds, block ends, dps 25%, kill vetera ooze, rinse and repeat

    bad group takes 3 times as long to killa regular champion.

    remember when i said "not willing to improve" we have come to this point again.

    same why bad groups fail at siren's reef time after time (small tip: focus this guy https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elite_Quartermaster , unless you like getting your attacks blocked)

    I don't have any problems with any fractals. I was first to post to kill the Quartermaster in SIren's.
    See you came to point that there are skills need for fractals and no scourge can carry you if you don't know what to do.
    You fail mech, fractals will wipe you and your scourge. Again todays LFG for t4s prove it as there were 2-3 groups waiting on failed subj6.
    Take any other day. Amala, Sirens, Deepstone, hell even Chaos etc.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    fractal leg armor set is very bad idea. We have enough ways to get leg armor, if someone want with cool skin - raids welcome.

  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    Never going to happen.

  • Pirindolo.9427Pirindolo.9427 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @lare.5129 said:
    fractal leg armor set is very bad idea. We have enough ways to get leg armor, if someone want with cool skin - raids welcome.

    Interesting and reasoned opinions!!!!
    "Is a very bad idea"---------For you or for everyone?
    "We have enough ways... "---------Who is "we"? Don't count me in in that "we", please.

    The majority of the PVE players is not able to participate in raids for many reasons. I know, and you know, that most of them would't be welcome by people like you. If you want exclusivity (in this case for a legendary armor, but it works for everything) I kindly suggest you to avoid playing mmos. A typical RPG will make you feel way more special and unique.

    Having new and different ways to get the same or similar items has been part of GW2 and I believe that it will continue like that.
    What hurts you if all players (you included) have a new way to get a similar item to that one you already have? A new item that you will be able to get if you want it, by the way. I will answer for you: the ego.

  • Pirindolo.9427Pirindolo.9427 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @SexyMofo.8923 said:
    Never going to happen.

    Since you know the game's future, would you be so kind to advance us what is going to happen (and what is not) in the comming years?

    Just to take some decissions, you know.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    fractal's if you complete them each day - give each month give one leg weapon
    Just buy 2 Mystic Clover and you have additional gold and 70/77 Mystic Clover after each month .. this is best motivation as me.

    Also fractal box wiht armor is non some big rare, and have 2, or 3 sets is not big issue too.
    Also for very fast swap more skilled player have same class on dif character slot.
    They have bers condi warr for raids, core for fracals, both ascend geared.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:
    "Is a very bad idea"---------For you or for everyone?

    for everyone

    "We have enough ways... "---------Who is "we"? Don't count me in in that "we", please.

    all.

    if someone want cheap aleg set - just do dayli also/instead on ranked spvp/www, and after one or few years you will have free leg set.

    no one need pro pve raid memeber, if not need nice skin, just log in, make dayli on www/pvp for 10 AP, because anyway your do it. And after some time u have free leg set

  • Pirindolo.9427Pirindolo.9427 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:
    "Is a very bad idea"---------For you or for everyone?

    for everyone

    Well, all said. There is no point to keep arguing with someone that decides how every people feel, think and behave.

    Have a nice day, mate.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @Pirindolo.9427 said:
    how every people feel, think and behave.

    I am don't care how someone feeeled, I am see that enough ways to get it very easy for eavryone who real want this.
    Also I like then some ppl have versus domination on most ppl on www, I like then some ppl get instant kick if not have kp or low dps or wrong class on pve.
    Have a nice day too )

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    agree. Also Also I othen see that new things whant people have very small achiv point, like 25k or less. And who play very less time or just started. Suggestion, just talk to add that leg armor wiht sign + can be getted only from 37k+
    good idea?

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    GW2 heavily needs a PvE legendary armor outside of raids and there are no objective arguments against that.

    Likewise, there are no objective arguments for it as well.

  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    Because raids are so dead and failed, why exactly did they announce another raid wing coming after the next LS story?

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    Because raids are so dead and failed, why exactly did they announce another raid wing coming after the next LS story?

    how dare you to think logical!
    you will offend the poor dragonhunter that took his build from snowcrows, a totally non-raiding guild

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    Because raids are so dead and failed, why exactly did they announce another raid wing coming after the next LS story?

    That new raid was in development way before. lets see what would happened to raids after. > @melandru.3876 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    no to fractal legendary armor
    yes to fractal armor skins both normal and gold

    there are allready 3 ways of gaining legendary armor, pve is covered by raids. don't need a fractal version aswell

    legendary should be "rare" not everyone and their mother having a full set and 8 weapons, they complelty lose their feeling that way

    PVE isn't covered by raids, not a big fun of silver and gold 2005 design.
    Rare? Why convenient item should be rare? Give me one good reason

    if everyone and their dog has legendary, then they are just ascended sets with shiny effects don't you think?
    it's a privilige to stat swap and swap runes at any given time. that privilige should be earned through effort, and dedication

    not because some people just want to have it aswell

    WvW and PvP sets beg to differ, go slak in wvw or afk in pvp and get it done.
    There is only one set in game has rights to be legendary by your opinion, it's shiny wvw legendary that one can get having lv 2000 in wvw.

    and raids, the true end-game of pve
    raids, the actual gamemode where stats matter more then wherever, and you'll sqap classes/builds on bosses as needed

    but because you don't care about raids, you try another way
    say, what about dungeon legendary armor?

    of what for those people who finnish story on every character, they should get story-legendary armor.

    No, not raids, Raids armor can be bough thus making it on one line with afk pvp and slacking wvw armor

    then go slack wvw for 25 weeks and be done with it.
    remember the time i said "effort and dedication", well we have comeback to this point

    Stop telling me what to do and in return I won't tell you where you suppose to go.
    I remember times when top tier was BiS. And convenient items weren't locked on dead failed mods

    Because raids are so dead and failed, why exactly did they announce another raid wing coming after the next LS story?

    how dare you to think logical!
    you will offend the poor dragonhunter that took his build from snowcrows, a totally non-raiding guild

    I was running hammer guardian in Fractals way before there was Snocrow and best of all I didn't need Snowcrow to tell me about Berserk and Scholar runes when Dragonhunter arrived.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    GW2 heavily needs a PvE legendary armor outside of raids and there are no objective arguments against that.

    Likewise, there are no objective arguments for it as well.

    Exactly, I agree. I have all sets but don't need them due to gazillion of asc stuff I acquired long before leggy armor and with arcdps/future ingame build templates there's no need for that type of armor as well.

    @melandru.3876 said:
    you make some valid point, but there is allways room to improve
    if a guy with 23k ap still doesn't know what breakbars are, then there's something really wrong

    I'm with you here and it baffles me that there's still no decent tutorial for players. It's ok to start the game with the lvl 1 to 2 story part but after they have introduced breakbars and special action key they should have focused more on cutscenes during story missions and solid explanations how things are working.

    R.I.P. Build Templates, 15.10.2019

  • squallaus.8321squallaus.8321 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @phs.6089 said:

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    About 10% does RAIDS 1% does fractal CMs. This is not a failing of raids, this is to cater for players that wants a challenge. It is a fine balance between casual and 'hardcore' players. With no 'hardcore' players that are passionate about the game there will be no vocal minority to make guides and teach the community. Without casual players arenanet will not make enough $ to keep gw2 running and develop new content.

    @melandru.3876 said:

    because pvp and raids take actual skill
    in fractals it takes 1 healscourge/1 heal fb to carry 4 bad players. fight will tak a while but will 100% succeed aslong as the heal fb/healscourge knows what it is doing.
    a game should not reward you for failing, it should punnish you

    You don't necessarily need a healer. Just 1 good DPS for T4s, the other 4 players are there to distract the enemy long enough for the main dps to burst the enemy down.

    the skill level in gw2 is riduculous low, because in open woeld there is zero challenge. the majority of the playerbase does nothing but "farm" and "open world". they will neve improve because they don't have to, or simply don't want to.

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    Yes, focus of the game was be to like this, to be for players that don't see & feel their place in other games like WoW among others.
    There is absolutely no need to improve in a game, a hobby, a thing lots of us are doing after work. The main target audience - at least in this game - should not be the individual who can afford playing more than 1-2 hours like for example students, pupils, jobless persons, sometimes sick people and others.
    The argument "You have to improve" is such a bs for a video game if you don't want to enter a more competitive framework anyways. That's not even working in most of the real life sports (still talking about amateurs )where you only play in higher leagues (if you do) but won't gain any more rewards than others.

    So in another words the casuals who plays the game as a hobby don't need legendary armor because they farm in open world all the their game life and is under no pressure or need to experiment with different builds known as QoL with legendary gear.

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    Exactly, I agree. I have all sets but don't need them due to gazillion of asc stuff I acquired long before leggy armor and with arcdps/future ingame build templates there's no need for that type of armor as well.

    In another words even less reason for casuals to need legendary armor.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @squallaus.8321 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    About 10% does RAIDS 1% does fractal CMs. This is not a failing of raids, this is to cater for players that wants a challenge. It is a fine balance between casual and 'hardcore' players. With no 'hardcore' players that are passionate about the game there will be no vocal minority to make guides and teach the community. Without casual players arenanet will not make enough $ to keep gw2 running and develop new content.

    How many have done Raids CM? What CMs do here? Why you compare usual raids to fractal CMs, 99/100 CM are way hardcore then many raids' bosses.
    casual T4 runner changes gear/chars/start more often then raider/wvw and pvpers all together.

    I would agree with your copypast 'desire' speach if legendary was anything else but convenient item. But it not.
    Hell I'm grinding a BiS glove in another game, it gives 3% damage. I finished weapon that has 4th stat line on it.
    That is desire.

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  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @squallaus.8321 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    About 10% does RAIDS 1% does fractal CMs. This is not a failing of raids, this is to cater for players that wants a challenge. It is a fine balance between casual and 'hardcore' players. With no 'hardcore' players that are passionate about the game there will be no vocal minority to make guides and teach the community. Without casual players arenanet will not make enough $ to keep gw2 running and develop new content.

    How many have done Raids CM? What CMs do here? Why you compare usual raids to fractal CMs, 99/100 CM are way hardcore then many raids' bosses.
    casual T4 runner changes gear/chars/start more often then raider/wvw and pvpers all together.

    I would agree with your copypast 'desire' speach if legendary was anything else but convenient item. But it not.
    Hell I'm grinding a BiS glove in another game, it gives 3% damage. I finished weapon that has 4th stat line on it.
    That is desire.

    good joke "casual t4 runnes changes gear/char more then raider.
    that especially shows when the casual t4 runner refuses to change even 1 utility skill to adapt to a situation/instability.

    or those fractal bosses that are better off taken down with condi damage instead of power damage..then suddenly the whole party starts reforming /s

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @melandru.3876 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @squallaus.8321 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    if you wish so. In my opinion legendary gear were added to raids and after to wvw and pvp to attract people to failing by that time wvw and pvp and new for that time raids, that are successfully failed as game mod as well. I don't see any other reason for mod being in game for more then 3 years and being so poorly populated.
    If community doesn't want to go do them, means only one thing, there is something wrong.

    About 10% does RAIDS 1% does fractal CMs. This is not a failing of raids, this is to cater for players that wants a challenge. It is a fine balance between casual and 'hardcore' players. With no 'hardcore' players that are passionate about the game there will be no vocal minority to make guides and teach the community. Without casual players arenanet will not make enough $ to keep gw2 running and develop new content.

    How many have done Raids CM? What CMs do here? Why you compare usual raids to fractal CMs, 99/100 CM are way hardcore then many raids' bosses.
    casual T4 runner changes gear/chars/start more often then raider/wvw and pvpers all together.

    I would agree with your copypast 'desire' speach if legendary was anything else but convenient item. But it not.
    Hell I'm grinding a BiS glove in another game, it gives 3% damage. I finished weapon that has 4th stat line on it.
    That is desire.

    good joke "casual t4 runnes changes gear/char more then raider.
    that especially shows when the casual t4 runner refuses to change even 1 utility skill to adapt to a situation/instability.

    or those fractal bosses that are better off taken down with condi damage instead of power damage..then suddenly the whole party starts reforming /s

    Good joke is locking 90% of your palyerbase out of convenient item, 90% of people that actually paying your wages

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  • squallaus.8321squallaus.8321 Member ✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:
    Good joke is locking 90% of your palyerbase out of convenient item, 90% of people that actually paying your wages

    Locking 90% of the player base out of convenient item that they don't need you mean. Good joke indeed.

  • squallaus.8321squallaus.8321 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @phs.6089 said:
    How many have done Raids CM? What CMs do here? Why you compare usual raids to fractal CMs, 99/100 CM are way hardcore then many raids' bosses.
    casual T4 runner changes gear/chars/start more often then raider/wvw and pvpers all together.

    That's the general stats. Harder the content less the participants.

    I would agree with your copypast 'desire' speach if legendary was anything else but convenient item. But it not.

    A convenient item that has little meaning to casuals. If you actualyl care about the stat swap and you actually need it then you're not a casual, you're just lazy.

    Hell I'm grinding a BiS glove in another game, it gives 3% damage. I finished weapon that has 4th stat line on it.
    That is desire.

    No. That is you on a gear treadmill who's stats becomes obsolete in the next expansion patch.

    By the sound of things you just want an easy way to legendary gear because you're busy playing other games.

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @squallaus.8321 said:

    @melandru.3876 said:
    How many have done Raids CM? What CMs do here? Why you compare usual raids to fractal CMs, 99/100 CM are way hardcore then many raids' bosses.
    casual T4 runner changes gear/chars/start more often then raider/wvw and pvpers all together.

    That's the general stats. Harder the content less the participants.

    I would agree with your copypast 'desire' speach if legendary was anything else but convenient item. But it not.

    A convenient item that has little meaning to casuals. If you actualyl care about the stat swap and you actually need it then you're not a casual, you're just lazy.

    Hell I'm grinding a BiS glove in another game, it gives 3% damage. I finished weapon that has 4th stat line on it.
    That is desire.

    No. That is you on a gear treadmill who's stats becomes obsolete in the next expansion patch.

    By the sound of things you just want an easy way to legendary gear because you're busy playing other games.

    might want to change the name of the person you quoted, it sure wasn't me who said that

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    that afk minion master will still be able to get his income, with or without legendary armor that he got because he felt he needed it

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    It basically comes down to people wanting others to do what they have done. People who have obtained it one way dislike others that get it a different way. I have no problem with it personally. I am all for inclusiveness over exclusiveness. I do not think it should be neither quick or easy but I would be perfectly fine with it being an option to strive for.

    It is perplexing why people have problems with others getting legendary gear different ways for their account. It really does not impact them directly so the kickback is unwarranted. If anything it may keep people playing and player retention should be high on anets priorities along with trying to get new players. What do I care if another player has the ability to swap stats? Its only a luxury for the people that have them. I've never understood the 1% mentality and I guess I never will.

    The game is constantly growing and so should our minds. Things are going to constantly change in this game especially with the new dev team set up anet has moved to. Fractals today may not be the fractals of tomorrow. I'm open to change and encourage it. I just wish more people would get on board.

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  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2019

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    It basically comes down to people wanting others to do what they have done. People who have obtained it one way dislike others that get it a different way. I have no problem with it personally. I am all for inclusiveness over exclusiveness. I do not think it should be neither quick or easy but I would be perfectly fine with it being an option to strive for.

    That might be true for some. There is always a part of: well I had to do it, so others should too. On the other hand, balance is of primary concern for me personally.

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    It is perplexing why people have problems with others getting legendary gear different ways for their account. It really does not impact them directly so the kickback is unwarranted. If anything it may keep people playing and player retention should be high on anets priorities along with trying to get new players. What do I care if another player has the ability to swap stats? Its only a luxury for the people that have them. I've never understood the 1% mentality and I guess I never will.

    Are we talking short- , medium- or long-term player retention? Because wrong implemented legendary armor might cause exactly that: a short burst spike of things to do at the cost of long-term goals and nonrefundable player loss. Especially in a game where there is no vertical progression.

    @Excursion.9752 said:

    The game is constantly growing and so should are minds. Things are going to constantly change in this game especially with the new dev team set up anet has moved to. Fractals today may not be the fractals of tomorrow. I'm open to change and encourage it. I just wish more people would get on board.

    Which poses an interesting argument as far as how rewards and the already short gear grind should be balanced. More towards new players or more towards long-term players?

    On the one hand, we already have some of the shortest grind in the MMO market to get BiS gear with no vertical progression, on the other hand a new player is faced with tons of things to do. At the same time certain content works as a catalyst for gear progression. Fractal in particular will cause any player of 1 year or longer to swim in ascended gear. Convenience items to such a player should be priced accordingly, which in turn makes them far to expensive for a new player. etc.

  • squallaus.8321squallaus.8321 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @Asum.4960 said:
    On one side they make statements like that if you want an easy legendary armor, there are plenty of super easy Raid "encounters" available that anyone can do, while at the same time proclaiming Fractals doesn't deserve a Legendary armor due to being too easy, even though it could be locked behind Fractal CM's, which are easily on the level of most Raid encounters.

    The fact that only 1% of the player base participates in Fractal CM's if anything is a point in favour of incentivising that content further with repeatable high value rewards like Legendary Armor as well, just as they did with Raids.

    Only if they introduce more CMs to existing fractals and new fractals that requires multiple clears of all levels unlike raid where you can just clear the harder raids once and then repeat the easy ones to get legendary. Having more CMs will make fractals alot more fun.

    But right now people (e.g. like the person that you quoted) are actually asking for low skill based legendary armor for "casual" players. Having legendary armor locked behind fractal CMs is not exactly something for "casual" players, who only run around the open world all their game life. GW2 is a skill based game, end game items locked behind content that requires higher amount of skills to clear than usual makes sense.

  • squallaus.8321squallaus.8321 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    On the one hand, we already have some of the shortest grind in the MMO market to get BiS gear with no vertical progression, on the other hand a new player is faced with tons of things to do. At the same time certain content works as a catalyst for gear progression. Fractal in particular will cause any player of 1 year or longer to swim in ascended gear. Convenience items to such a player should be priced accordingly, which in turn makes them far to expensive for a new player. etc.

    This is why players in this game have alot more time to improve their skills compared to other games as getting gear with the right stats is not an issue in this game.

    Thanks to the more passionate players in the game they make guides for the rest of the community and makes things alot easier to pick up. There are guides for every single encoounter in the game.

    So it is my firm belief that anyone can get good at this game if they choose to work on it. Anyone can get the current raid based legendary armor if they work on it.

  • This thread has discussions that cover two distinct ideas, either of which could be implemented independently:

    • ANet considers fractals as "another dungeon," so shouldn't it have its own unique armor skins?
    • If ANet agrees that the game needs another method for obtaining stat-changeable ascended gear, is Fractal the best option for the next source?

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miellyn.6847 said:
    Because raids are so dead and failed, why exactly did they announce another raid wing coming after the next LS story?

    Because it was already in the works when they released wing 6 (and is supposedly part of a package with it). Since it was nearly finished anyway, they will release it. They way they phrased it however suggests to me that it will be the last wing.

    @squallaus.8321 said:
    About 10% does RAIDS

    Probably far less - yes, the efficiency kill numbers on some specific bosses are higher, but not only they are overinflated due to the very nature of that site, but also those are numbers for single kills, not for any sort of longterm activity. Also, those are the numbers for the earlier wings - for last two they are much lower.
    I'd be surprised if even as much as 5% of the game community actively raids at this point.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • squallaus.8321squallaus.8321 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:
    Because raids are so dead and failed, why exactly did they announce another raid wing coming after the next LS story?

    Because it was already in the works when they released wing 6 (and is supposedly part of a package with it). Since it was nearly finished anyway, they will release it. They way they phrased it however suggests to me that it will be the last wing.

    From what they wrote on https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/whats-next-for-guild-wars-2/ , it doesn't give me the impression that its going to be the last wing ever. They said they were polishing the last encounter of w7. It would actually be bad if they dont release challenging content such as raids in the future because that will drive away the more passionate hard core players from the game just like the period before expansion 1.

    They need to continue to release content for both casual and hardcore players. They need to strike the right balance between these 2 groups of people in order to ensure gw2's survival on the gaming market.

    @squallaus.8321 said:
    About 10% does RAIDS

    Probably far less - yes, the efficiency kill numbers on some specific bosses are higher, but not only they are overinflated due to the very nature of that site, but also those are numbers for single kills, not for any sort of longterm activity. Also, those are the numbers for the earlier wings - for last two they are much lower.
    I'd be surprised if even as much as 5% of the game community actively raids at this point.

    Pretty sure that 10% came from some anet employee in some interview. Numbers go up and down all the time, this is normal. Especially in this game where you can simply drop it for a few months and then continue where you left off. Once players get all the rewards they they need they might go play other parts of the game or different games entirely. Add new swappable items with raid tokens you might see the numbers go up again.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @squallaus.8321 said:

    @phs.6089 said:
    Good joke is locking 90% of your palyerbase out of convenient item, 90% of people that actually paying your wages

    Locking 90% of the player base out of convenient item that they don't need you mean. Good joke indeed.

    Indeed a business that decides what their customers need, limiting their chose is a big joke.

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  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @phs.6089 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:
    Because raids are so dead and failed, why exactly did they announce another raid wing coming after the next LS story?

    That new raid was in development way before. lets see what would happened to raids after.

    You guys tell us that now for almost two years now. 'But raids are a failed experiment and the development will stop after the next raid wing'. Just look in the easy mode thread how often a similiar phrase shows up. There will be another raid wing after it.
    Get over it already, raids are part of PvE since HoT and won't go anywere in the forseeable future.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    fractal each day give gold, ascend wep+ armors items, and 2 mystic clever for leg weapons, and 5-10 mystic coins, and etc.
    Why it should give more ?
    p.s. also it give me my favorite cheap 20 slot bags,

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @lare.5129 said:
    fractal each day give gold, ascend wep+ armors items, and 2 mystic clever for leg weapons, and 5-10 mystic coins, and etc.
    Why it should give more ?
    p.s. also it give me my favorite cheap 20 slot bags,

    Good riddance calling RNG drops each days. If you ask me I would rather they give me some currency I can get ascended parts I need with bit gold, then getting ascended shoulders drop 8 weeks on the row.
    As to question why the need to have legendary armor to give.
    My answer would be: so I can spend that gold and those mats on it. Making economy healthier.
    Cheap bags? have you seen WvW vendor?
    Mystic coins? have you played any tournament in PvP?
    Don't let me start on mystic clovers from either Pvp or WvW. :)

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  • tim.4596tim.4596 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @phs.6089 said:
    There was a topic I can't find it now.
    Let me refresh this request. With upcoming build temples etc, please consider giving us Legendary Fractal Armors.
    At the moment we can get ascended with selectable stats from fractal vendor. It has default ascended(craft) skins.
    Would be nice to get fractal themed skins and way to upgrade ascended into legendary.
    Seriously I don't know any other mod where stat swaps could be used as intense as in fractals. maybe sPvP.
    But anyway. Game needs mat sink and play-time added for goal(s). Fractals deserve to have own set of legendary armor.

    I don't think that Legendary Armor should be available in 5man content, but yet again they added it to Conquest Mode in PvP so.... I guess nothing is stopping anyone from adding it to Fractals, although I still think it should remain within raids.

    They overly simplified raids, and you now have access to extremely simple events/bosses to get li.
    -W4 B1-3 Are very easy
    -W1 B1 + Spirit run is very easy too
    -W3 Escort + KC + TC.

    I mean the whole of W1-4 Aren't that hard anymore since they've been out for so long.

    Plus, wouldn't that be a bad idea, since the current aim in Fractals is to get "Fractal God" title, so if they release legendary arbors in Fractals, wouldn't that make getting the title even more difficult.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @tim.4596 said:

    @phs.6089 said:
    There was a topic I can't find it now.
    Let me refresh this request. With upcoming build temples etc, please consider giving us Legendary Fractal Armors.
    At the moment we can get ascended with selectable stats from fractal vendor. It has default ascended(craft) skins.
    Would be nice to get fractal themed skins and way to upgrade ascended into legendary.
    Seriously I don't know any other mod where stat swaps could be used as intense as in fractals. maybe sPvP.
    But anyway. Game needs mat sink and play-time added for goal(s). Fractals deserve to have own set of legendary armor.

    I don't think that Legendary Armor should be available in 5man content, but yet again they added it to Conquest Mode in PvP so.... I guess nothing is stopping anyone from adding it to Fractals, although I still think it should remain within raids.

    They overly simplified raids, and you now have access to extremely simple events/bosses to get li. W4 B1-3 Are very easy. W1 B1 + Spirit run is very easy too. Then you can do W3 Escort + KC + TC. I mean the whole of W1-4 Aren't that hard anymore since they've been out for so long.

    Plus, wouldn't that be a bad idea, since the current aim in Fractals is to get "Fractal God" title, so if they release legendary arbors in Fractals, wouldn't that make getting the title even more difficult.

    Suggestion wasn't about raids armor and how to cheese it.
    What makes you believe the objective in fractals is to get 'Fractal God' title?
    It's not, it's optional. here are many vet players that never go even savant.

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  • tim.4596tim.4596 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2019

    @phs.6089 said:

    @tim.4596 said:

    @phs.6089 said:
    There was a topic I can't find it now.
    Let me refresh this request. With upcoming build temples etc, please consider giving us Legendary Fractal Armors.
    At the moment we can get ascended with selectable stats from fractal vendor. It has default ascended(craft) skins.
    Would be nice to get fractal themed skins and way to upgrade ascended into legendary.
    Seriously I don't know any other mod where stat swaps could be used as intense as in fractals. maybe sPvP.
    But anyway. Game needs mat sink and play-time added for goal(s). Fractals deserve to have own set of legendary armor.

    I don't think that Legendary Armor should be available in 5man content, but yet again they added it to Conquest Mode in PvP so.... I guess nothing is stopping anyone from adding it to Fractals, although I still think it should remain within raids.

    They overly simplified raids, and you now have access to extremely simple events/bosses to get li. W4 B1-3 Are very easy. W1 B1 + Spirit run is very easy too. Then you can do W3 Escort + KC + TC. I mean the whole of W1-4 Aren't that hard anymore since they've been out for so long.

    Plus, wouldn't that be a bad idea, since the current aim in Fractals is to get "Fractal God" title, so if they release legendary arbors in Fractals, wouldn't that make getting the title even more difficult.

    Suggestion wasn't about raids armor and how to cheese it.

    I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean, because for me Legendary Fractal Armor would be adding another Legendary Armor to the PvE content, and I don't think anyone actually care how the legendary armors looks like, most people have transmuted them anyway. So I don't really understand how adding another set of Legendary Armor to the PvE content, wouldn't result in cheesing the Raid one.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @tim.4596 said:

    @phs.6089 said:

    @tim.4596 said:

    @phs.6089 said:
    There was a topic I can't find it now.
    Let me refresh this request. With upcoming build temples etc, please consider giving us Legendary Fractal Armors.
    At the moment we can get ascended with selectable stats from fractal vendor. It has default ascended(craft) skins.
    Would be nice to get fractal themed skins and way to upgrade ascended into legendary.
    Seriously I don't know any other mod where stat swaps could be used as intense as in fractals. maybe sPvP.
    But anyway. Game needs mat sink and play-time added for goal(s). Fractals deserve to have own set of legendary armor.

    I don't think that Legendary Armor should be available in 5man content, but yet again they added it to Conquest Mode in PvP so.... I guess nothing is stopping anyone from adding it to Fractals, although I still think it should remain within raids.

    They overly simplified raids, and you now have access to extremely simple events/bosses to get li. W4 B1-3 Are very easy. W1 B1 + Spirit run is very easy too. Then you can do W3 Escort + KC + TC. I mean the whole of W1-4 Aren't that hard anymore since they've been out for so long.

    Plus, wouldn't that be a bad idea, since the current aim in Fractals is to get "Fractal God" title, so if they release legendary arbors in Fractals, wouldn't that make getting the title even more difficult.

    Suggestion wasn't about raids armor and how to cheese it.

    I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean, because for me Legendary Fractal Armor would be adding another Legendary Armor to the PvE content.

    You got it right.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."