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FSPG (not-a-)Leader instructs community to lose matchup to drop tier. Nice.


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@"Burn.5021" said:b7f8f262-da3d-4517-9631-146f9aef9156.png

This follows constant calls in map and team chats to not recap objectives and PPT.

Certain guilds want to drop tier for easier GvG fights due to not being good enough for steamrolls in Tier 1.

So, I don't know if you know what a GVG guild is or not, but FSPG isn't one?, I think your talking about blob guilds, (Pop an XD in mapchat )

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The only point of doing ppt is controlling matchups. There's absolutely no reason to do it for other purposes because servers in high tiers have huge amount of pugs which means low quality fights.

Gvg has nothing to do with this because you can gvg in eotm regardless of current tier.

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@"steki.1478" said:The only point of doing ppt is controlling matchups. There's absolutely no reason to do it for other purposes because servers in high tiers have huge amount of pugs which means low quality fights.

Gvg has nothing to do with this because you can gvg in eotm regardless of current tier.

Try telling a "raid guild" to GvG in EOTM.

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@Hellbound.5610 said:

@"steki.1478" said:The only point of doing ppt is controlling matchups. There's absolutely no reason to do it for other purposes because servers in high tiers have huge amount of pugs which means low quality fights.

Gvg has nothing to do with this because you can gvg in eotm regardless of current tier.

Try telling a "raid guild" to GvG in EOTM.

Then they arent a raid guild, but a blob/pug one. OP stated gvg, but I guess we can all throw out false info just to prove our points apparently.

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@Hellbound.5610 said:

@steki.1478 said:Then they arent a raid guild, but a blob/pug one. OP stated gvg, but I guess we can all throw out false info just to prove our points apparently.I am not sure I follow the point your are trying to make ito false info...

It's not gvg guilds like OP states. It's either a type of guild that relies on pugs to win or guild that has tons of people in it. Nowadays it's a same thing because player quality is extremely low outside of a few servers and GvG is the opposite of that.

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@"steki.1478" said:It's not gvg guilds like OP states. It's either a type of guild that relies on pugs to win or guild that has tons of people in it. Nowadays it's a same thing because player quality is extremely low outside of a few servers and GvG is the opposite of that.Alright, just to clear things up a little as I am an OG player from FSP since day 1, FSPG is the community guild for FSP-AG, it primarily consists of pugs, but also some "hardcore" players.

The current leader of FSPG is also the leader of a well established "raid guild" called Kalevala, which does not want to be in top tier because of the type of fights that exist.

So now this leader is telling the world link to lose the matchup and drop tier just for the "raid guild" to have easier fights.

I hope this makes sense...

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@Hellbound.5610 said:

@"steki.1478" said:It's not gvg guilds like OP states. It's either a type of guild that relies on pugs to win or guild that has tons of people in it. Nowadays it's a same thing because player quality is extremely low outside of a few servers and GvG is the opposite of that.Alright, just to clear things up a little as I am an OG player from FSP since day 1, FSPG is the community guild for FSP-AG, it primarily consists of pugs, but also some "hardcore" players.

The current leader of FSPG is also the leader of a well established "raid guild" called Kalevala, which does not want to be in top tier because of the type of fights that exist.

So now this leader is telling the world link to lose the matchup and drop tier just for the "raid guild" to have easier fights.

I hope this makes sense...

What makes you think that fights are easier when you drop tiers? No reasonable raid guild would want to stay in current t1 in EU because 90% of the experience there is fighting under siege or fighting roamers/bad players.

I also have plenty of OG players on my server but their only goal is to ppt during early morning (when there's no enemies) without any reason and suddenly they lose motivation to play once we drop tiers. If that's not a definition of a leech I don't know what is.

Being OG means nothing if you're out of touch with your server's community.

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@steki.1478 said:What makes you think that fights are easier when you drop tiers? No reasonable raid guild would want to stay in current t1 in EU because 90% of the experience there is fighting under siege or fighting roamers/bad players.You just answered your own question.

You may also want to include a 20v60 engagement in your example as reason.

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@Hellbound.5610 said:

@steki.1478 said:What makes you think that fights are easier when you drop tiers? No reasonable raid guild would want to stay in current t1 in EU because 90% of the experience there is fighting under siege or fighting roamers/bad players.You just answered your own question.

You may also want to include a 20v60 engagement in your example as reason.

T2 is far from 20v60, but what would you know when you've probably never gotten off the AC's or dollyak escorts.

People don't drop from t1 to find easier fights. They drop to find fights to begin with. T1 has no coordinated fights because majority of players are running random builds and do ppt all the time, which is a well known fact. Not particularly fun for any raid guild and gvg has nothing to do with that.

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  • ANet's never punished anyone for holding back, let alone asking fellow WvWarriors to hold back.
  • As a practical matter, it's incredibly difficult to pull it off. There are always large groups (including big guilds) that don't want to defer their fun for the week, for the potential of fun the following week.

If the alleged ring-leader pulls it off, good for them; it will have turned out to be something with which an overwhelming majority on their world agreed... and they should be admired for getting a consensus of that many WvWarriors (since that almost never happens).

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@steki.1478 said:T2 is far from 20v60, but what would you know when you've probably never gotten off the AC's or dollyak escorts.

People don't drop from t1 to find easier fights. They drop to find fights to begin with. T1 has no coordinated fights because majority of players are running random builds and do ppt all the time, which is a well known fact. Not particularly fun for any raid guild and gvg has nothing to do with that.Are you saying that players with random builds who do ppt all the time are better than raid guilds since these guilds are unable to wipe them?

There has certainly been no issues with having fights for the past week. Just last night on reset we had great fun capping and defending AR's Garrison, WITHOUT siege.

You should not make assumptions when you do not know facts, It only ruins your credibility and kills your argument.

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@Hellbound.5610 said:

@steki.1478 said:T2 is far from 20v60, but what would you know when you've probably never gotten off the AC's or dollyak escorts.

People don't drop from t1 to find easier fights. They drop to find fights to begin with. T1 has no coordinated fights because majority of players are running random builds and do ppt all the time, which is a well known fact. Not particularly fun for any raid guild and gvg has nothing to do with that.Are you saying that players with random builds who do ppt all the time are better than raid guilds since these guilds are unable to wipe them?

There has certainly been no issues with having fights for the past week. Just last night on reset we had great fun capping and defending AR's Garrison, WITHOUT siege.

You should not make assumptions when you do not know facts, It only ruins your credibility and kills your argument.

If those fights had quality then your guilds wouldn't want to drop. Just because there's people to fight, doesn't mean they are worth fighting because most of the time they will either run away to the closest and sieged up objective or get one pushed.

Reset isn't that great of an argument since it's the only time of the week when servers bring their best fighting squads.

Why would anyone want to fight around t3 keeps with 30 defenders and 15 siege when you can simply fight other people that fight the same way you do?

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@steki.1478 said:If those fights had quality then your guilds wouldn't want to drop. Just because there's people to fight, doesn't mean they are worth fighting because most of the time they will either run away to the closest and sieged up objective or get one pushed.

Reset isn't that great of an argument since it's the only time of the week when servers bring their best fighting squads.

Why would anyone want to fight around t3 keeps with 30 defenders and 15 siege when you can simply fight other people that fight the same way you do?You missed the part where I mentioned there was no siege involved.

Also the Garrison was not upgraded.

Major credit to Augury Rock as well as they were not backing off but instead determined to get their Garrison back.

It was not a case of just walking over them either, they wiped us a good few times, it was good fun and a proper contest.

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@Hellbound.5610 said:

@steki.1478 said:If those fights had quality then your guilds wouldn't want to drop. Just because there's people to fight, doesn't mean they are worth fighting because most of the time they will either run away to the closest and sieged up objective or get one pushed.

Reset isn't that great of an argument since it's the only time of the week when servers bring their best fighting squads.

Why would anyone want to fight around t3 keeps with 30 defenders and 15 siege when you can simply fight other people that fight the same way you do?You missed the part where I mentioned there was no siege involved.

Also the Garrison was not upgraded.

Major credit to Augury Rock as well as they were not backing off but instead determined to get their Garrison back.

It was not a case of just walking over them either, they wiped us a good few times, it was good fun and a proper contest.

You missed the part where I mentioned that reset isnt the best way to evaluate the matchup. You'll see during the week what I was talking about, especially vs AR and Gandara.

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