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@Quadox.7834 said:

@"Megametzler.5729" said:Get rid of those cover condis. Two damaging condis, two more for cover. Same goes for scourge.

At the same time don't let clears work on 5+ condis... tune them all down accordingly.

I expect them to randomly hand out more cover condis to other classes though lol.

From which skills/traits specifically?

Just some examples:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Fire - used to clear 3 but got powercrept.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smite_Condition - used to clear 1 but got powercrept.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Wave - used to clear 1 but... well.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Purge_Gyro - okay, cleansing is getting ridic-...

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Anticorrosion_Plating + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hard_Light_Arena - ...please stahp...

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Woven_Stride + https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Water - ???

A lot of powercreep not only happened to (some) condi classes, but also to cleanses. This is ridiculous and pushed many off-meta condi builds completely out of any even remote viability. Condi mirage and scourge are the main offenders on the applicator's side.

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@Megametzler.5729 said:

@Megametzler.5729 said:Get rid of those cover condis. Two damaging condis, two more for cover. Same goes for scourge.

At the same time don't let clears work on 5+ condis... tune them all down accordingly.

I expect them to randomly hand out more cover condis to other classes though lol.

From which skills/traits specifically?

Just some examples:

- used to clear 3 but got powercrept.

- used to clear 1 but got powercrept.

- used to clear 1 but... well.

- okay, cleansing is getting ridic-...

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- ...please stahp...

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- ???

A lot of powercreep not only happened to (some) condi classes, but also to cleanses. This is ridiculous and pushed many off-meta condi builds completely out of any even remote viability. Condi mirage and scourge are the main offenders on the applicator's side.

Ah sorry I meant which skills that you would remove cover condis from on mesmer.

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@Quadox.7834 said:

@Megametzler.5729 said:Get rid of those cover condis. Two damaging condis, two more for cover. Same goes for scourge.

At the same time don't let clears work on 5+ condis... tune them all down accordingly.

I expect them to randomly hand out more cover condis to other classes though lol.

From which skills/traits specifically?

Just some examples:

- used to clear 3 but got powercrept.

- used to clear 1 but got powercrept.

- used to clear 1 but... well.

- okay, cleansing is getting ridic-...

+
- ...please stahp...

+
- ???

A lot of powercreep not only happened to (some) condi classes, but also to cleanses. This is ridiculous and pushed many off-meta condi builds completely out of any even remote viability. Condi mirage and scourge are the main offenders on the applicator's side.

Ah sorry I meant which skills that you would remove cover condis from on mesmer.

Ah, okay.^^

Also just an example: Take axe. Axe alone can apply 4 different conditions - bleeding, confusion, tormend and cripple. Torment on mesmer creates an extremely powerful advantage due to confusion and bleeding being available from core skills/traits. Cripple is fine as a skill with a specific intention. I would probably delete torment and replace it with more bleeding or confusion. (Sidenote: This might need a change to Maim the Disillusioned too... would bleeding instead of torment work there?)

Same goes (a little less) with torch. I would like to see more burning stacks, making that the condition of torch, and get rid of confusion. Not sure about the daze and ineptitude, that would again be 3 conditions by just 1 skill... but that might be a potential second step.

I am very open for more in-depth suggestions of course. I would just like to bring the condi number down to ele levels - which has bleeding and burning and some cover through vulnerability, cripple, chill.

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