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Current Meta PvP builds? Anyone Try anything that works?

EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

Just looking for something different.

Doesn't seem to be much flavor in PvP builds for Rangers at the moment.
Change my mind! XD

mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

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  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:
    Just looking for something different.

    Doesn't seem to be much flavor in PvP builds for Rangers at the moment.
    Change my mind! XD

    No.

    Did you try double shortbow soulbeast with quickdraw?

  • Eurantien.4632Eurantien.4632 Member ✭✭✭

    Id love to try support Druid with lb staff probably and a berserker warrior. I think the Druid could give stealth and rez the berserker easy and he can kill everything

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anduriell.6280 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:
    Just looking for something different.

    Doesn't seem to be much flavor in PvP builds for Rangers at the moment.
    Change my mind! XD

    No.

    Did you try double shortbow soulbeast with quickdraw?

    No, I'd rather jab myself in the eye with a Rusty nail

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • kappa.2036kappa.2036 Member ✭✭✭

    Ranger is completely out of meta right now. The class is somewhat decent in ranked queues, but no place in team comps. This is mainly because we are in a "teamfight / zerg meta" where each class have specific role tied to them. And we all know ranger is bad at zerging lol. :anguished:

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kappa.2036 said:
    Ranger is completely out of meta right now. The class is somewhat decent in ranked queues, but no place in team comps. This is mainly because we are in a "teamfight / zerg meta" where each class have specific role tied to them. And we all know ranger is bad at zerging lol. :anguished:

    There are a number of successful Rangers in the top 250.
    Many of those are very successful in AT's.
    I've yet to see someone take their builds and perform as well.

    But in General, I see what you're talking about.
    Many of the classes I have come across in games are downright overpowered.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Durzlla.6295Durzlla.6295 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:
    Just looking for something different.

    Doesn't seem to be much flavor in PvP builds for Rangers at the moment.
    Change my mind! XD

    I mean, my builds are still working as support Druid lol, but I haven’t had a ton of time to iterate on any of them so it’s just the same old kitten I’ve already sent you lol.

    "But my children sing to me. Listen. They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family. As their mother, I have to grant them their wish."

  • You got spirits (mime, fake mime?) who I think has had most success with a/a s/wh core ranger wringing a side noder with smoke and bristleback. Ws/nm/BM pala probably

    Spirit is Miaz not Mime. And in a few weeks, I'll be releasing an inf evasion tutorial that will change the entire ranger meta.

  • HeadCrowned.6834HeadCrowned.6834 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2019

    My old core ranger build with NM/WS/BM a/w + s/a seems to get decent again. But it will depend on how the meta evolves now, since condi classes are basically a counter.
    But I keep maining my druid like always :)

  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭

    I posted a build a few weeks back in a different thread that basically ended up streamlined as what can be seen on the Sic Em WS/BM/SB build on Metabattle.

    I figured that's the way would probably trend if they didn't nerf Sic Em in the latest patch and BoonBeast stayed nerfed alongside a relatively untouched Strength Spellbreaker, Scrapper, and Chrono. Sidenoding has become a crowded role where the person who can fight it out for a sidenode in addition to pushing kills and/or providing teamfight roles ends up being the best choice, and I unfortunately feel that without Sic Em, the other Sidenode builds bring more to the table.

    That said, I'm sure there's some build out there that hasn't been explored yet that people can perform with.

    In general, I'd say the working components of a successful Ranger build would include stability, protection, swiftness or movement speed increase, enough damage to punish mistakes and push kills, and either or both kiting skills and tankiness.

    Beyond that....well, Druid probably doesn't feel great without BM now. Core builds make use of BM. Damage SB builds greatly benefit from BM. WS is the best defensive traitline, adding it to a build immediately increases defenses and defense output. It's hard to imagine a build that doesn't run at least one if not both of these traitlines.

    Jroh | Former SOAC Ranger Podcaster | Top 100 PvP
    https://www.youtube.com/user/JRoeboat
    www.twitch.tv/itsJROH

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @HeadCrowned.6834 said:
    My old core ranger build with NM/WS/BM a/w + s/a seems to get decent again. But it will depend on how the meta evolves now, since condi classes are basically a counter.
    But I keep maining my druid like always :)

    I play a Vanilla Core Ranger that @Trevor Boyer.6524 Recommended-- Nm, Ws, Bm A/A Sw/wh with Pig and Wolf--Harrier+Mad King

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    I posted a build a few weeks back in a different thread that basically ended up streamlined as what can be seen on the Sic Em WS/BM/SB build on Metabattle.

    I figured that's the way would probably trend if they didn't nerf Sic Em in the latest patch and BoonBeast stayed nerfed alongside a relatively untouched Strength Spellbreaker, Scrapper, and Chrono. Sidenoding has become a crowded role where the person who can fight it out for a sidenode in addition to pushing kills and/or providing teamfight roles ends up being the best choice, and I unfortunately feel that without Sic Em, the other Sidenode builds bring more to the table.

    That said, I'm sure there's some build out there that hasn't been explored yet that people can perform with.

    In general, I'd say the working components of a successful Ranger build would include stability, protection, swiftness or movement speed increase, enough damage to punish mistakes and push kills, and either or both kiting skills and tankiness.

    Beyond that....well, Druid probably doesn't feel great without BM now. Core builds make use of BM. Damage SB builds greatly benefit from BM. WS is the best defensive traitline, adding it to a build immediately increases defenses and defense output. It's hard to imagine a build that doesn't run at least one if not both of these traitlines.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 <--Played a druid build of his that worked very well. The dmg is good but the survivability on nodes is great.
    Also good in team fights, clutch heals, rezzes and ending downs.

    About the soulbeast/boonbeast type builds
    I still have one that I like. Nothing special.
    Some believe in either the Ranger lb +1
    or a Druid Side noder
    But I've found Soulbeast/Boonbeast builds to be a jack of all trades.
    I can get to nodes, get to mid, drop a clutch heal, hold a point and I can get out of bad situations if I need to.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Ashkew.6584Ashkew.6584 Member ✭✭

    @OneOfTheAvengers.3478 said:

    You got spirits (mime, fake mime?) who I think has had most success with a/a s/wh core ranger wringing a side noder with smoke and bristleback. Ws/nm/BM pala probably

    Spirit is Miaz not Mime. And in a few weeks, I'll be releasing an inf evasion tutorial that will change the entire ranger meta.

    pretty sure hes a fake miaz aswell

  • HeadCrowned.6834HeadCrowned.6834 Member ✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @HeadCrowned.6834 said:
    My old core ranger build with NM/WS/BM a/w + s/a seems to get decent again. But it will depend on how the meta evolves now, since condi classes are basically a counter.
    But I keep maining my druid like always :)

    I play a Vanilla Core Ranger that @Trevor Boyer.6524 Recommended-- Nm, Ws, Bm A/A Sw/wh with Pig and Wolf--Harrier+Mad King

    Im not a fan of Harrier at all. Having no toughness AND no vitality is too punishing in current meta, especially for Ranger.

  • @Ashkew.6584 said:

    @OneOfTheAvengers.3478 said:

    You got spirits (mime, fake mime?) who I think has had most success with a/a s/wh core ranger wringing a side noder with smoke and bristleback. Ws/nm/BM pala probably

    Spirit is Miaz not Mime. And in a few weeks, I'll be releasing an inf evasion tutorial that will change the entire ranger meta.

    pretty sure hes a fake miaz aswell

    You can't fake skill or talent. Miaz and I have fought each other for years. I know when its him and he knows when its me. No american ranger is pulling off core axe axe in plat3-legendary.

  • Eurantien.4632Eurantien.4632 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah... cause how boring would that be?

  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @HeadCrowned.6834 said:
    My old core ranger build with NM/WS/BM a/w + s/a seems to get decent again. But it will depend on how the meta evolves now, since condi classes are basically a counter.
    But I keep maining my druid like always :)

    I play a Vanilla Core Ranger that @Trevor Boyer.6524 Recommended-- Nm, Ws, Bm A/A Sw/wh with Pig and Wolf--Harrier+Mad King

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    I posted a build a few weeks back in a different thread that basically ended up streamlined as what can be seen on the Sic Em WS/BM/SB build on Metabattle.

    I figured that's the way would probably trend if they didn't nerf Sic Em in the latest patch and BoonBeast stayed nerfed alongside a relatively untouched Strength Spellbreaker, Scrapper, and Chrono. Sidenoding has become a crowded role where the person who can fight it out for a sidenode in addition to pushing kills and/or providing teamfight roles ends up being the best choice, and I unfortunately feel that without Sic Em, the other Sidenode builds bring more to the table.

    That said, I'm sure there's some build out there that hasn't been explored yet that people can perform with.

    In general, I'd say the working components of a successful Ranger build would include stability, protection, swiftness or movement speed increase, enough damage to punish mistakes and push kills, and either or both kiting skills and tankiness.

    Beyond that....well, Druid probably doesn't feel great without BM now. Core builds make use of BM. Damage SB builds greatly benefit from BM. WS is the best defensive traitline, adding it to a build immediately increases defenses and defense output. It's hard to imagine a build that doesn't run at least one if not both of these traitlines.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 <--Played a druid build of his that worked very well. The dmg is good but the survivability on nodes is great.
    Also good in team fights, clutch heals, rezzes and ending downs.

    About the soulbeast/boonbeast type builds
    I still have one that I like. Nothing special.
    Some believe in either the Ranger lb +1
    or a Druid Side noder
    But I've found Soulbeast/Boonbeast builds to be a jack of all trades.
    I can get to nodes, get to mid, drop a clutch heal, hold a point and I can get out of bad situations if I need to.

    He put out that video before the pet nerf in the most recent patch though, right? Or am I remembering wrong....

    Yes, Druid was never not viable. It's one of those builds like Mender Weaver though; played well, it can work. BUT, it also requires your teammates to know how to play around a 100% stall build that struggles to quickly pick up kills and gain momentum.

    Drawing a comparison to a different role based game - in Overwatch, why play a "pure" Tank like Reinhardt or pure Healer like Mercy (assuming these 2 characters haven't changed much) if your team is just going to run passed your shield or away from your healing?

    GW2 has become the type of game where it's better to play a build or class that can do 2 things well than 1 thing great.

    Jroh | Former SOAC Ranger Podcaster | Top 100 PvP
    https://www.youtube.com/user/JRoeboat
    www.twitch.tv/itsJROH

  • Durzlla.6295Durzlla.6295 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @jcbroe.4329 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @HeadCrowned.6834 said:
    My old core ranger build with NM/WS/BM a/w + s/a seems to get decent again. But it will depend on how the meta evolves now, since condi classes are basically a counter.
    But I keep maining my druid like always :)

    I play a Vanilla Core Ranger that @Trevor Boyer.6524 Recommended-- Nm, Ws, Bm A/A Sw/wh with Pig and Wolf--Harrier+Mad King

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    I posted a build a few weeks back in a different thread that basically ended up streamlined as what can be seen on the Sic Em WS/BM/SB build on Metabattle.

    I figured that's the way would probably trend if they didn't nerf Sic Em in the latest patch and BoonBeast stayed nerfed alongside a relatively untouched Strength Spellbreaker, Scrapper, and Chrono. Sidenoding has become a crowded role where the person who can fight it out for a sidenode in addition to pushing kills and/or providing teamfight roles ends up being the best choice, and I unfortunately feel that without Sic Em, the other Sidenode builds bring more to the table.

    That said, I'm sure there's some build out there that hasn't been explored yet that people can perform with.

    In general, I'd say the working components of a successful Ranger build would include stability, protection, swiftness or movement speed increase, enough damage to punish mistakes and push kills, and either or both kiting skills and tankiness.

    Beyond that....well, Druid probably doesn't feel great without BM now. Core builds make use of BM. Damage SB builds greatly benefit from BM. WS is the best defensive traitline, adding it to a build immediately increases defenses and defense output. It's hard to imagine a build that doesn't run at least one if not both of these traitlines.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 <--Played a druid build of his that worked very well. The dmg is good but the survivability on nodes is great.
    Also good in team fights, clutch heals, rezzes and ending downs.

    About the soulbeast/boonbeast type builds
    I still have one that I like. Nothing special.
    Some believe in either the Ranger lb +1
    or a Druid Side noder
    But I've found Soulbeast/Boonbeast builds to be a jack of all trades.
    I can get to nodes, get to mid, drop a clutch heal, hold a point and I can get out of bad situations if I need to.

    He put out that video before the pet nerf in the most recent patch though, right? Or am I remembering wrong....

    Yes, Druid was never not viable. It's one of those builds like Mender Weaver though; played well, it can work. BUT, it also requires your teammates to know how to play around a 100% stall build that struggles to quickly pick up kills and gain momentum.

    Drawing a comparison to a different role based game - in Overwatch, why play a "pure" Tank like Reinhardt or pure Healer like Mercy (assuming these 2 characters haven't changed much) if your team is just going to run passed your shield or away from your healing?

    GW2 has become the type of game where it's better to play a build or class that can do 2 things well than 1 thing great.

    This post 100% sums up my experience as running full support Druid, when the team plays around what I can do it’s absolutely phenomenal, and it can really just steam roll a game.

    But if they don’t? Oof, that’s going to be rough game, which normally ends up with me doing ye olden far point strat of bunker till you can’t then run.

    "But my children sing to me. Listen. They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family. As their mother, I have to grant them their wish."

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @jcbroe.4329 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @HeadCrowned.6834 said:
    My old core ranger build with NM/WS/BM a/w + s/a seems to get decent again. But it will depend on how the meta evolves now, since condi classes are basically a counter.
    But I keep maining my druid like always :)

    I play a Vanilla Core Ranger that @Trevor Boyer.6524 Recommended-- Nm, Ws, Bm A/A Sw/wh with Pig and Wolf--Harrier+Mad King

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    I posted a build a few weeks back in a different thread that basically ended up streamlined as what can be seen on the Sic Em WS/BM/SB build on Metabattle.

    I figured that's the way would probably trend if they didn't nerf Sic Em in the latest patch and BoonBeast stayed nerfed alongside a relatively untouched Strength Spellbreaker, Scrapper, and Chrono. Sidenoding has become a crowded role where the person who can fight it out for a sidenode in addition to pushing kills and/or providing teamfight roles ends up being the best choice, and I unfortunately feel that without Sic Em, the other Sidenode builds bring more to the table.

    That said, I'm sure there's some build out there that hasn't been explored yet that people can perform with.

    In general, I'd say the working components of a successful Ranger build would include stability, protection, swiftness or movement speed increase, enough damage to punish mistakes and push kills, and either or both kiting skills and tankiness.

    Beyond that....well, Druid probably doesn't feel great without BM now. Core builds make use of BM. Damage SB builds greatly benefit from BM. WS is the best defensive traitline, adding it to a build immediately increases defenses and defense output. It's hard to imagine a build that doesn't run at least one if not both of these traitlines.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 <--Played a druid build of his that worked very well. The dmg is good but the survivability on nodes is great.
    Also good in team fights, clutch heals, rezzes and ending downs.

    About the soulbeast/boonbeast type builds
    I still have one that I like. Nothing special.
    Some believe in either the Ranger lb +1
    or a Druid Side noder
    But I've found Soulbeast/Boonbeast builds to be a jack of all trades.
    I can get to nodes, get to mid, drop a clutch heal, hold a point and I can get out of bad situations if I need to.

    He put out that video before the pet nerf in the most recent patch though, right? Or am I remembering wrong....

    Yes, Druid was never not viable. It's one of those builds like Mender Weaver though; played well, it can work. BUT, it also requires your teammates to know how to play around a 100% stall build that struggles to quickly pick up kills and gain momentum.

    Drawing a comparison to a different role based game - in Overwatch, why play a "pure" Tank like Reinhardt or pure Healer like Mercy (assuming these 2 characters haven't changed much) if your team is just going to run passed your shield or away from your healing?

    GW2 has become the type of game where it's better to play a build or class that can do 2 things well than 1 thing great.

    Yeah you're right. Druid did get nerfed, at least the pets.
    I'll still play the druid when my team doesn't have enough support.
    It's good in team fights with the heals, stealth rez, stealth stomp, cleaving downs and axe5 can turn the tide of a team fight.

    I like to stall the other stallers--the other bunks in this meta.

    @Durzlla.6295 said:

    @jcbroe.4329 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @HeadCrowned.6834 said:
    My old core ranger build with NM/WS/BM a/w + s/a seems to get decent again. But it will depend on how the meta evolves now, since condi classes are basically a counter.
    But I keep maining my druid like always :)

    I play a Vanilla Core Ranger that @Trevor Boyer.6524 Recommended-- Nm, Ws, Bm A/A Sw/wh with Pig and Wolf--Harrier+Mad King

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    I posted a build a few weeks back in a different thread that basically ended up streamlined as what can be seen on the Sic Em WS/BM/SB build on Metabattle.

    I figured that's the way would probably trend if they didn't nerf Sic Em in the latest patch and BoonBeast stayed nerfed alongside a relatively untouched Strength Spellbreaker, Scrapper, and Chrono. Sidenoding has become a crowded role where the person who can fight it out for a sidenode in addition to pushing kills and/or providing teamfight roles ends up being the best choice, and I unfortunately feel that without Sic Em, the other Sidenode builds bring more to the table.

    That said, I'm sure there's some build out there that hasn't been explored yet that people can perform with.

    In general, I'd say the working components of a successful Ranger build would include stability, protection, swiftness or movement speed increase, enough damage to punish mistakes and push kills, and either or both kiting skills and tankiness.

    Beyond that....well, Druid probably doesn't feel great without BM now. Core builds make use of BM. Damage SB builds greatly benefit from BM. WS is the best defensive traitline, adding it to a build immediately increases defenses and defense output. It's hard to imagine a build that doesn't run at least one if not both of these traitlines.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 <--Played a druid build of his that worked very well. The dmg is good but the survivability on nodes is great.
    Also good in team fights, clutch heals, rezzes and ending downs.

    About the soulbeast/boonbeast type builds
    I still have one that I like. Nothing special.
    Some believe in either the Ranger lb +1
    or a Druid Side noder
    But I've found Soulbeast/Boonbeast builds to be a jack of all trades.
    I can get to nodes, get to mid, drop a clutch heal, hold a point and I can get out of bad situations if I need to.

    He put out that video before the pet nerf in the most recent patch though, right? Or am I remembering wrong....

    Yes, Druid was never not viable. It's one of those builds like Mender Weaver though; played well, it can work. BUT, it also requires your teammates to know how to play around a 100% stall build that struggles to quickly pick up kills and gain momentum.

    Drawing a comparison to a different role based game - in Overwatch, why play a "pure" Tank like Reinhardt or pure Healer like Mercy (assuming these 2 characters haven't changed much) if your team is just going to run passed your shield or away from your healing?

    GW2 has become the type of game where it's better to play a build or class that can do 2 things well than 1 thing great.

    This post 100% sums up my experience as running full support Druid, when the team plays around what I can do it’s absolutely phenomenal, and it can really just steam roll a game.

    But if they don’t? Oof, that’s going to be rough game, which normally ends up with me doing ye olden far point strat of bunker till you can’t then run.

    NEVER GO FULL SUPPORT :p

    But seriously, the build I'm running is not full support and I believe that's why it works.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Flandre.2870Flandre.2870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    The new soulbeast build boyce runs is good. Decent MU vs warrior imho and that's all there is when it comes to side node these days. Does good into scrapper and can hold well but it's nothing like what slb was. The issue in the warrior MU(holo too tbh) comes with rampage and yeah try countering that lol. Sick em is one dimensional. It's bad because sick em is too long cd relatively to how many cds you can force(ofc mongol one shots happen but not vs good playres) and the rest of spec is worthless without it.

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @anduriell.6280 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:
    Just looking for something different.

    Doesn't seem to be much flavor in PvP builds for Rangers at the moment.
    Change my mind! XD

    No.

    Did you try double shortbow soulbeast with quickdraw?

    No, I'd rather jab myself in the eye with a Rusty nail

    I bet that would cause more bleed dmg then the 2x s-bow combo.

  • Dragonzhunter.8506Dragonzhunter.8506 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2019

    @Eurantien.4632 said:
    There's like like 4-5 rangers bouncing around top 50 all playing different things.

    You got me, with MM/BM/SB lb/gs soldier runes and demo siamoth and smoke, moment of clarity and remorseless

    You got Kiri, WS/BM/SB lb/gs Mara siamoth and smoke

    You got mad lord of milk (this guy gives me the lols) running like zerker qz one wolf pack just to rapid fire people. I'm honestly amazed how high this has gotten him. BM/Sb/MM?? Just all pew pew

    You got spirits (mime, fake mime?) who I think has had most success with a/a s/wh core ranger wringing a side noder with smoke and bristleback. Ws/nm/BM pala probably

    Lexani mostly just standard boonbeast

    Core marksmanship bm/ws with lb/gs and double dogs or smoke and wolf or smoke and tiger is also decent with remorseless and moment of clarity.

    @EnderzShadow.2506 as Eurantien said, there are few builds who make ranger very redoubtable in sPVP.
    Before the last or last 2 patches, I played http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjOD7kQFohXsjXwkFgrFsUIY5Z3t749pLMDCANdgV3L4kpbVRA-jZxHABcs/AAXEA6LDo8RA47HAAA mostly a boonbeast build.
    But after last patch, I changed on this one : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqAN8itCC2CCctgl/Ab51lBCAPphfwRLv8eejvn0qiTD-jZxHAB6s/w1lBA4SA89DAQ5jAAA . The reason was those 2 bunker classes Engineer and Elementalist. With boonbeast I couldn't kill them, now with this build I don't have that problem anymore.
    I am not in platinum, I can't go there when I am playing only 1-2 hour/ day between 4-6 AM Londont time. Also my 200 ping it is not so good for a competitive PVP. Still, in Gold (2-3) I am doing pretty well. Last night I beat @Biklen.5490 2 or 3 times in 1 vs 1 in 1 match (we won the match too because his team was weak). His glass cannon build didn't work vs a more versatile build. Like I said before, glass cannon build it is not so good for Ranger in sPVP, it's working in WvW but not in sPVP. Well, maybe you could use it in sPVP if you have a strong team, who can support you, which it is very rare these days in sPVP (Gold rank at least).
    Anyway, I am very happy with our class, because I consider it is a very good one.

    Regards,
    Dragonzhunter

  • Hello there! Lately i have been meddling with this in gold, i sacrifice dps for durability and team utility support. I am having so much fun with this in pvp. Any questions feel free to send them :) Here is the link http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kgXohXsiXwjXgqFsMJY592f7xtJA84mAOVuLXm7kHUFVA-jpxHQBM8CA4vjAQI2fAAHEgv9AAoXZAA

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2019

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @Eurantien.4632 said:
    There's like like 4-5 rangers bouncing around top 50 all playing different things.

    You got me, with MM/BM/SB lb/gs soldier runes and demo siamoth and smoke, moment of clarity and remorseless

    You got Kiri, WS/BM/SB lb/gs Mara siamoth and smoke

    You got mad lord of milk (this guy gives me the lols) running like zerker qz one wolf pack just to rapid fire people. I'm honestly amazed how high this has gotten him. BM/Sb/MM?? Just all pew pew

    You got spirits (mime, fake mime?) who I think has had most success with a/a s/wh core ranger wringing a side noder with smoke and bristleback. Ws/nm/BM pala probably

    Lexani mostly just standard boonbeast

    Core marksmanship bm/ws with lb/gs and double dogs or smoke and wolf or smoke and tiger is also decent with remorseless and moment of clarity.

    @EnderzShadow.2506 as Eurantien said, there are few builds who make ranger very redoubtable in sPVP.
    Before the last or last 2 patches, I played http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjOD7kQFohXsjXwkFgrFsUIY5Z3t749pLMDCANdgV3L4kpbVRA-jZxHABcs/AAXEA6LDo8RA47HAAA mostly a boonbeast build.
    But after last patch, I changed on this one : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqAN8itCC2CCctgl/Ab51lBCAPphfwRLv8eejvn0qiTD-jZxHAB6s/w1lBA4SA89DAQ5jAAA . The reason was those 2 bunker classes Engineer and Elementalist. With boonbeast I couldn't kill them, now with this build I don't have that problem anymore.
    I am not in platinum, I can't go there when I am playing only 1-2 hour/ day between 4-6 AM Londont time. Also my 200 ping it is not so good for a competitive PVP. Still, in Gold (2-3) I am doing pretty well. Last night I beat @Biklen.5490 2 or 3 times in 1 vs 1 in 1 match (we won the match too because his team was weak). His glass cannon build didn't work vs a more versatile build. Like I said before, glass cannon build it is not so good for Ranger in sPVP, it's working in WvW but not in sPVP. Well, maybe you could use it in sPVP if you have a strong team, who can support you, which it is very rare these days in sPVP (Gold rank at least).
    Anyway, I am very happy with our class, because I consider it is a very good one.

    Regards,
    Dragonzhunter

    Nice :)
    Checked out your build. Argh....all those 'on swap' traits. Ill have to practice that.
    If you see me on-- or if you want to mention it here, how do you deal with bunker scraps and eles?

    Depending on the team comp, I play either a druid, a gimmick zerk and occasionally a bunker soulbeast.
    The druid can hold a node vs the FOTM scrappers and sometimes a +1 and stall vs almost any class in game.
    I wish zerker builds had a chance vs Bunkers. I like the big numbers and I'm a glutton for punishment.
    And the bunker, eh, the mood hits me sometimes. It doesn't do a lot of dmg, it lives, I share some boons (still ok) and I rez really well

    Bik, hehe, wanna make him rage? Play a druid lol.
    Everytime I've seen him on the other team, we've won.
    I kind of felt bad at the time.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pedro Sequeira.3198 said:
    Hello there! Lately i have been meddling with this in gold, i sacrifice dps for durability and team utility support. I am having so much fun with this in pvp. Any questions feel free to send them :) Here is the link http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kgXohXsiXwjXgqFsMJY592f7xtJA84mAOVuLXm7kHUFVA-jpxHQBM8CA4vjAQI2fAAHEgv9AAoXZAA

    Good build.
    Sort of a boonbeast build.
    No questions :)

    Thanks for posting

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭

    Well, I've been doing a bunch of build testing on my alt. I'm not really enjoying the current metagame - it's like I'm playing an FPS game when it comes to killing or taking damage from anything but Bunk Scrapper or Support Firebrand.

    At the end of the day I've just ended up taking on what Boyce runs. His utility and Rune choices "feel" better than a lot of the different variants I tried, even to the degree that I don't feel the the loss of Troll Unguent to be that key of a factor in this high burst meta.

    Here's his most recent stream, he swaps to and starts showing off the build around the 5:55 timestamp:
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/421987238?t=00h05m55s

    Jroh | Former SOAC Ranger Podcaster | Top 100 PvP
    https://www.youtube.com/user/JRoeboat
    www.twitch.tv/itsJROH

  • Dragonzhunter.8506Dragonzhunter.8506 Member ✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:
    If you see me on-- or if you want to mention it here, how do you deal with bunker scraps and eles?

    Just using the build I have shown to you. A lot of engaging and disengaging, pet swap. The most important thing is to CC them with all you've got. Basically (or theoretically) you have 7 CC! If you manage to hit them with all 7 CC, then they should die. Another thing is to not stay too much in beast form, because you need/must benefit from Clarion Bond and Zephyr's Speed and ofc that Forage (if you are lucky with plasma, they will be melted under your damage+Sic 'Em).
    Always when I killed an Ele or Engi, they complained next second that I have too much CC. (They have it too, but they don't count their CC, only when enemy CC them it is OP).
    Btw, when you are in Beastmode with Siamoth, after using Brutal Charge (F2) use immediately Maul (F2), the damage is huge. I am still trying to manage to get Stealth using Smoke Cloud from Smokescale and then Brutal Charge ... but often I forget about this option :) ... shame on me ... Usual I am getting Stealth from GS Swoop (Skill 3) and Wordly Impact (F3) combined with Smoke Cloud ofc. Most of the time I forget about Brutal Charge.

    Regards,

    Dragonzhunter

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eurantien.4632 said:
    There's like like 4-5 rangers bouncing around top 50 all playing different things.

    You got me, with MM/BM/SB lb/gs soldier runes and demo siamoth and smoke, moment of clarity and remorseless

    You got Kiri, WS/BM/SB lb/gs Mara siamoth and smoke

    You got mad lord of milk (this guy gives me the lols) running like zerker qz one wolf pack just to rapid fire people. I'm honestly amazed how high this has gotten him. BM/Sb/MM?? Just all pew pew

    You got spirits (mime, fake mime?) who I think has had most success with a/a s/wh core ranger wringing a side noder with smoke and bristleback. Ws/nm/BM pala probably

    Lexani mostly just standard boonbeast

    Core marksmanship bm/ws with lb/gs and double dogs or smoke and wolf or smoke and tiger is also decent with remorseless and moment of clarity.

    MadLordofMilk

    I'd love to see some of this guys gameplay.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    Well, I've been doing a bunch of build testing on my alt. I'm not really enjoying the current metagame - it's like I'm playing an FPS game when it comes to killing or taking damage from anything but Bunk Scrapper or Support Firebrand.

    At the end of the day I've just ended up taking on what Boyce runs. His utility and Rune choices "feel" better than a lot of the different variants I tried, even to the degree that I don't feel the the loss of Troll Unguent to be that key of a factor in this high burst meta.

    Here's his most recent stream, he swaps to and starts showing off the build around the 5:55 timestamp:
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/421987238?t=00h05m55s

    Thanks--tried this and a few other things and Im coming back to this.

    If some of you are interested, Build link below-- gameplay above
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqAN8itCCmsAs8ilJB7JIcB+Y592g7xtJA84mAn4AqTD-jpBHQB5rMwP2fAAHBAx9AAGwhAIgXAAA

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    Well, I've been doing a bunch of build testing on my alt. I'm not really enjoying the current metagame - it's like I'm playing an FPS game when it comes to killing or taking damage from anything but Bunk Scrapper or Support Firebrand.

    At the end of the day I've just ended up taking on what Boyce runs. His utility and Rune choices "feel" better than a lot of the different variants I tried, even to the degree that I don't feel the the loss of Troll Unguent to be that key of a factor in this high burst meta.

    Here's his most recent stream, he swaps to and starts showing off the build around the 5:55 timestamp:
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/421987238?t=00h05m55s

    Thanks--tried this and a few other things and Im coming back to this.

    If some of you are interested, Build link below-- gameplay above
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqAN8itCCmsAs8ilJB7JIcB+Y592g7xtJA84mAn4AqTD-jpBHQB5rMwP2fAAHBAx9AAGwhAIgXAAA

    Yeah absolutely. Unfortunately but understandably, there are not a ton of content creators for GW2, even less so that play at a high level in PvP, even less than that are insightful, understand the game, and don't just constantly make "streamer plays" then complain their team didn't carry their decisions (like Helseth used to on stream and some others tend to), and even less than all of that Ranger players.

    I think we're down to Boyce, ROM, and Kiritsugu as the 3 people left putting out consistent content, and the latter only does WvW montages on youtube even though he performs consistently well in PvP.

    I bring all of this up because it is SO DIFFICULT to learn from just build resource websites and the forums. A build posted with a generic "this is the good, this is the bad, you can do this to accomplish this" doesn't visualize the full scope of gameplay in a way where the resource can translate directly to gameplay. But now go and pick a streamer with a good build and playstyle and watch their gameplay for 20-30 minutes. After doing so, we start to pick up the "feel" of the build and what gameplay will look like with a similar sort of setup and actions (for better or worse, which is why finding consistent high skill gameplay is important).

    More on the topic though, outside of that build, this is the other build I've played around with this season:
    10/10 do not recommend, this is just to facetank a point when no one else on the team can: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwyzt/2jrTk7yl5aCAPuJQJPoI-jpxHAB0XGAgjAgyHEA/fAAffCAWf/BA

    Same deal as above but you might actually kill something or die to something: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwaCAPuJQeu93ecdicXuMXJPIN-jpxHABffCA8/BAo8BBY99HA4IAYfZAA

    And here's one I want to try sometime within my last 30-40 games of the season (see if I actually end up on the leaderboards or if I just don't feel like finishing it out by the end, fluctuating between plat 1 and 2 spamming games with nothing to lose cuz I want more ascended armor): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kQFoiXshXwlFglXsMJYNBgH3EwJyd5yc552f7xtkHkG-jpxHABKfQA8/BAYfZgvvAArv/AAHBAA
    Tanky traits/setup, some kill potential, but unlike either of the above LB can actually force a decap over time and the tanky damage classes still take enough damage that setups like this can threaten them.

    But yeah, I don't recommend any of that to people who actually care about the season. The Sic Em (slight) variant that Boyce uses on stream is the first build Rangers have had in a long time that actually has carry potentially through quickly pushing kills. It's very sad to see that even though Chronos, Holos, Spellbreakers, and Heralds can all roll into a fight and 1 shot someone with like 3 button presses that the Sic Em build is what's being cried about, unless people like @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 recognize that Ranger receives a disproportionate amount of community vile when it has a viable build and that if damage needs to be reduced, it needs to be done across the board for the gamemode and all classes - not just in a vacuum.

    Otherwise we'll just have another useless elite spec to put in the trashbin next to Druid for PvP.

    Jroh | Former SOAC Ranger Podcaster | Top 100 PvP
    https://www.youtube.com/user/JRoeboat
    www.twitch.tv/itsJROH

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2019

    @jcbroe.4329 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    Well, I've been doing a bunch of build testing on my alt. I'm not really enjoying the current metagame - it's like I'm playing an FPS game when it comes to killing or taking damage from anything but Bunk Scrapper or Support Firebrand.

    At the end of the day I've just ended up taking on what Boyce runs. His utility and Rune choices "feel" better than a lot of the different variants I tried, even to the degree that I don't feel the the loss of Troll Unguent to be that key of a factor in this high burst meta.

    Here's his most recent stream, he swaps to and starts showing off the build around the 5:55 timestamp:
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/421987238?t=00h05m55s

    Thanks--tried this and a few other things and Im coming back to this.

    If some of you are interested, Build link below-- gameplay above
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqAN8itCCmsAs8ilJB7JIcB+Y592g7xtJA84mAn4AqTD-jpBHQB5rMwP2fAAHBAx9AAGwhAIgXAAA

    Yeah absolutely. Unfortunately but understandably, there are not a ton of content creators for GW2, even less so that play at a high level in PvP, even less than that are insightful, understand the game, and don't just constantly make "streamer plays" then complain their team didn't carry their decisions (like Helseth used to on stream and some others tend to), and even less than all of that Ranger players.

    I think we're down to Boyce, ROM, and Kiritsugu as the 3 people left putting out consistent content, and the latter only does WvW montages on youtube even though he performs consistently well in PvP.

    I bring all of this up because it is SO DIFFICULT to learn from just build resource websites and the forums. A build posted with a generic "this is the good, this is the bad, you can do this to accomplish this" doesn't visualize the full scope of gameplay in a way where the resource can translate directly to gameplay. But now go and pick a streamer with a good build and playstyle and watch their gameplay for 20-30 minutes. After doing so, we start to pick up the "feel" of the build and what gameplay will look like with a similar sort of setup and actions (for better or worse, which is why finding consistent high skill gameplay is important).

    More on the topic though, outside of that build, this is the other build I've played around with this season:
    10/10 do not recommend, this is just to facetank a point when no one else on the team can: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwyzt/2jrTk7yl5aCAPuJQJPoI-jpxHAB0XGAgjAgyHEA/fAAffCAWf/BA

    Same deal as above but you might actually kill something or die to something: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwaCAPuJQeu93ecdicXuMXJPIN-jpxHABffCA8/BAo8BBY99HA4IAYfZAA

    And here's one I want to try sometime within my last 30-40 games of the season (see if I actually end up on the leaderboards or if I just don't feel like finishing it out by the end, fluctuating between plat 1 and 2 spamming games with nothing to lose cuz I want more ascended armor): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kQFoiXshXwlFglXsMJYNBgH3EwJyd5yc552f7xtkHkG-jpxHABKfQA8/BAYfZgvvAArv/AAHBAA
    Tanky traits/setup, some kill potential, but unlike either of the above LB can actually force a decap over time and the tanky damage classes still take enough damage that setups like this can threaten them.

    But yeah, I don't recommend any of that to people who actually care about the season. The Sic Em (slight) variant that Boyce uses on stream is the first build Rangers have had in a long time that actually has carry potentially through quickly pushing kills. It's very sad to see that even though Chronos, Holos, Spellbreakers, and Heralds can all roll into a fight and 1 shot someone with like 3 button presses that the Sic Em build is what's being cried about, unless people like @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 recognize that Ranger receives a disproportionate amount of community vile when it has a viable build and that if damage needs to be reduced, it needs to be done across the board for the gamemode and all classes - not just in a vacuum.

    Otherwise we'll just have another useless elite spec to put in the trashbin next to Druid for PvP.

    You hit the nail on the head.
    Every new season, when I play Ranger, I am a new and untested multi purpose Construction tool.
    Matches are the building project. Building projects are constantly changing.
    One match we're putting up Sky Scrapers in New York, next match its digging water wells.
    Some building projects I do REALLY well and other building projects, I don't even know why I am on the job site.

    There needs to be more content creators sharing(explaining, talking, showing, describing, teaching) the rationale for the style of play that fits the builds.

    Mesmers are still a ridiculous condi spam, evade-fest of immunes and blocks.
    Bens name came up in a recent chat I had with a high level player and Mesmers came up.
    Lets just say, they have and use many ways to determine the balance of a class.

    I like the builds you proposed.
    I am a fan of bunkier builds paired with sw/wh.
    Reminds me of playing druid, which I still do.
    Also reminds me of boonbeast, which is still very strong.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭

    @Flandre.2870 said:
    The new soulbeast build boyce runs is good. Decent MU vs warrior imho and that's all there is when it comes to side node these days. Does good into scrapper and can hold well but it's nothing like what slb was. The issue in the warrior MU(holo too tbh) comes with rampage and yeah try countering that lol. Sick em is one dimensional. It's bad because sick em is too long cd relatively to how many cds you can force(ofc mongol one shots happen but not vs good playres) and the rest of spec is worthless without it.

    Isn't that just the normal sic em build but with rune of the fighter and 1 trait swapped. The rest looks basically the same.

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2019

    @jcbroe.4329 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    Well, I've been doing a bunch of build testing on my alt. I'm not really enjoying the current metagame - it's like I'm playing an FPS game when it comes to killing or taking damage from anything but Bunk Scrapper or Support Firebrand.

    At the end of the day I've just ended up taking on what Boyce runs. His utility and Rune choices "feel" better than a lot of the different variants I tried, even to the degree that I don't feel the the loss of Troll Unguent to be that key of a factor in this high burst meta.

    Here's his most recent stream, he swaps to and starts showing off the build around the 5:55 timestamp:
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/421987238?t=00h05m55s

    Thanks--tried this and a few other things and Im coming back to this.

    If some of you are interested, Build link below-- gameplay above
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqAN8itCCmsAs8ilJB7JIcB+Y592g7xtJA84mAn4AqTD-jpBHQB5rMwP2fAAHBAx9AAGwhAIgXAAA

    Yeah absolutely. Unfortunately but understandably, there are not a ton of content creators for GW2, even less so that play at a high level in PvP, even less than that are insightful, understand the game, and don't just constantly make "streamer plays" then complain their team didn't carry their decisions (like Helseth used to on stream and some others tend to), and even less than all of that Ranger players.

    I think we're down to Boyce, ROM, and Kiritsugu as the 3 people left putting out consistent content, and the latter only does WvW montages on youtube even though he performs consistently well in PvP.

    I bring all of this up because it is SO DIFFICULT to learn from just build resource websites and the forums. A build posted with a generic "this is the good, this is the bad, you can do this to accomplish this" doesn't visualize the full scope of gameplay in a way where the resource can translate directly to gameplay. But now go and pick a streamer with a good build and playstyle and watch their gameplay for 20-30 minutes. After doing so, we start to pick up the "feel" of the build and what gameplay will look like with a similar sort of setup and actions (for better or worse, which is why finding consistent high skill gameplay is important).

    More on the topic though, outside of that build, this is the other build I've played around with this season:
    10/10 do not recommend, this is just to facetank a point when no one else on the team can: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwyzt/2jrTk7yl5aCAPuJQJPoI-jpxHAB0XGAgjAgyHEA/fAAffCAWf/BA

    Same deal as above but you might actually kill something or die to something: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwaCAPuJQeu93ecdicXuMXJPIN-jpxHABffCA8/BAo8BBY99HA4IAYfZAA

    And here's one I want to try sometime within my last 30-40 games of the season (see if I actually end up on the leaderboards or if I just don't feel like finishing it out by the end, fluctuating between plat 1 and 2 spamming games with nothing to lose cuz I want more ascended armor): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kQFoiXshXwlFglXsMJYNBgH3EwJyd5yc552f7xtkHkG-jpxHABKfQA8/BAYfZgvvAArv/AAHBAA
    Tanky traits/setup, some kill potential, but unlike either of the above LB can actually force a decap over time and the tanky damage classes still take enough damage that setups like this can threaten them.

    But yeah, I don't recommend any of that to people who actually care about the season. The Sic Em (slight) variant that Boyce uses on stream is the first build Rangers have had in a long time that actually has carry potentially through quickly pushing kills. It's very sad to see that even though Chronos, Holos, Spellbreakers, and Heralds can all roll into a fight and 1 shot someone with like 3 button presses that the Sic Em build is what's being cried about, unless people like @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 recognize that Ranger receives a disproportionate amount of community vile when it has a viable build and that if damage needs to be reduced, it needs to be done across the board for the gamemode and all classes - not just in a vacuum.

    Otherwise we'll just have another useless elite spec to put in the trashbin next to Druid for PvP.

    While I agree that people should not complain about sic em. It's pretty balanced imo. High risk high reward. I feel that you can't compare that to warrior.

    Lb is ranged and if they don't dodge it's a guaranteed hit. Warrior sb skills are all melee and can be more easily kited even with out los. So the dmg is deserved when it connects. Just my personal opinion.

    I also think everything is pretty balanced right now and nothing really needs to change. Except for maybe they should rework some deadeye and ele traits/skills.

  • beatthedown.2651beatthedown.2651 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2019

    Sort of related question. Is it even worth running Leader of the pack anymore? You get like 1,25 sec from the elite and 1 additional second from dolyak stance. No cd reduction, no boon extension, just shared stance for a few seconds. Elite could be nice in midfights, but trying to coordinate 3 secs with randoms isn't going to work out very often. Everyone is picking this trait by default, but I think the other traits may deserve a second look.

  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2019

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @jcbroe.4329 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @jcbroe.4329 said:
    Well, I've been doing a bunch of build testing on my alt. I'm not really enjoying the current metagame - it's like I'm playing an FPS game when it comes to killing or taking damage from anything but Bunk Scrapper or Support Firebrand.

    At the end of the day I've just ended up taking on what Boyce runs. His utility and Rune choices "feel" better than a lot of the different variants I tried, even to the degree that I don't feel the the loss of Troll Unguent to be that key of a factor in this high burst meta.

    Here's his most recent stream, he swaps to and starts showing off the build around the 5:55 timestamp:
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/421987238?t=00h05m55s

    Thanks--tried this and a few other things and Im coming back to this.

    If some of you are interested, Build link below-- gameplay above
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqAN8itCCmsAs8ilJB7JIcB+Y592g7xtJA84mAn4AqTD-jpBHQB5rMwP2fAAHBAx9AAGwhAIgXAAA

    Yeah absolutely. Unfortunately but understandably, there are not a ton of content creators for GW2, even less so that play at a high level in PvP, even less than that are insightful, understand the game, and don't just constantly make "streamer plays" then complain their team didn't carry their decisions (like Helseth used to on stream and some others tend to), and even less than all of that Ranger players.

    I think we're down to Boyce, ROM, and Kiritsugu as the 3 people left putting out consistent content, and the latter only does WvW montages on youtube even though he performs consistently well in PvP.

    I bring all of this up because it is SO DIFFICULT to learn from just build resource websites and the forums. A build posted with a generic "this is the good, this is the bad, you can do this to accomplish this" doesn't visualize the full scope of gameplay in a way where the resource can translate directly to gameplay. But now go and pick a streamer with a good build and playstyle and watch their gameplay for 20-30 minutes. After doing so, we start to pick up the "feel" of the build and what gameplay will look like with a similar sort of setup and actions (for better or worse, which is why finding consistent high skill gameplay is important).

    More on the topic though, outside of that build, this is the other build I've played around with this season:
    10/10 do not recommend, this is just to facetank a point when no one else on the team can: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwyzt/2jrTk7yl5aCAPuJQJPoI-jpxHAB0XGAgjAgyHEA/fAAffCAWf/BA

    Same deal as above but you might actually kill something or die to something: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQRBHPxG2JhKQFvYDvgLLALvYZSwaCAPuJQeu93ecdicXuMXJPIN-jpxHABffCA8/BAo8BBY99HA4IAYfZAA

    And here's one I want to try sometime within my last 30-40 games of the season (see if I actually end up on the leaderboards or if I just don't feel like finishing it out by the end, fluctuating between plat 1 and 2 spamming games with nothing to lose cuz I want more ascended armor): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kQFoiXshXwlFglXsMJYNBgH3EwJyd5yc552f7xtkHkG-jpxHABKfQA8/BAYfZgvvAArv/AAHBAA
    Tanky traits/setup, some kill potential, but unlike either of the above LB can actually force a decap over time and the tanky damage classes still take enough damage that setups like this can threaten them.

    But yeah, I don't recommend any of that to people who actually care about the season. The Sic Em (slight) variant that Boyce uses on stream is the first build Rangers have had in a long time that actually has carry potentially through quickly pushing kills. It's very sad to see that even though Chronos, Holos, Spellbreakers, and Heralds can all roll into a fight and 1 shot someone with like 3 button presses that the Sic Em build is what's being cried about, unless people like @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 recognize that Ranger receives a disproportionate amount of community vile when it has a viable build and that if damage needs to be reduced, it needs to be done across the board for the gamemode and all classes - not just in a vacuum.

    Otherwise we'll just have another useless elite spec to put in the trashbin next to Druid for PvP.

    While I agree that people should not complain about sic em. It's pretty balanced imo. High risk high reward. I feel that you can't compare that to warrior.

    Lb is ranged and if they don't dodge it's a guaranteed hit. Warrior sb skills are all melee and can be more easily kited even with out los. So the dmg is deserved when it connects. Just my personal opinion.

    I also think everything is pretty balanced right now and nothing really needs to change. Except for maybe they should rework some deadeye and ele traits/skills.

    It isn't about the damage of Rampage, it's about what it does on a 72 second cooldown timer. Pulsing Stability, insane damage on every skills, and CC chaining on a skill that increases also increases tankiness and mobility.

    That said, I don't want to seem like I'm targeting it (or anything) directly. The game has been power crept beyond comprehension - there hasn't been a "healthy" metagame since the Core specs balance right before HoT dropped and again in like the S5-7 ranges of the PvP league, right around when Solo Queue only was first implemented. There were multiple roles that existed in the metagame - support, bruiser, teamfight damage, roaming damage - and the pacing of the game "felt" better: you didn't feel like nobody had any cooldowns on their skills and that you had to dodge everything or lose half your health, like now.

    Both of the prior metagames I just mentioned, 8/9 to 9/9 classes had "meta" builds. But people complained about build diversity. Well, the current state of the game doesn't look like build diversity to me - it just looks like people trying to desperately pump out enough damage to kill things before they die to an attack or two that happens to cleave them, even if they throw on a knights amulet.

    Nothing about the damage output in the current game is okay. In a large part, it's a symptom though, because I'm sure that not everybody wants to be play Call of Duty builds, but on the other end of the spectrum, things like Scrapper and Firebrand and even Chrono soak so much damage or give their allies the ability to soak so much damage that there is no more middle ground or role diversity left in the game, just unstoppable damage against immovable defenses.

    This isn't an MMO anymore, it's just a very odd looking FPS game with twitch shooter gameplay.

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  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭

    @beatthedown.2651 said:
    Sort of related question. Is it even worth running Leader of the pack anymore? You get like 1,25 sec from the elite and 1 additional second from dolyak stance. No cd reduction, no boon extension, just shared stance for a few seconds. Elite could be nice in midfights, but trying to coordinate 3 secs with randoms isn't going to work out very often. Everyone is picking this trait by default, but I think the other traits may deserve a second look.

    I've played around with both the other traits but I think they're all (including Leader of the Pack) relatively lackluster.

    Eternal Bond is highly situational, though can be useful, and I'd say in a different meta where sidenode Soulbeast was still "a thing" this is the pick over the Stance trait to have the potential to save yourself from a +1 or a Rampage.

    Oppressive Superiority is the same way, though a little more passive. The damage bonus is nice, but you can't guarantee it, and it could very well end up that once a fight gets going, this trait isn't active often.

    Leader of the Pack isn't a great choice anymore. But it's consistent. You slot it and stances, and you improve those stances. The value of the shared stances is going to be reliant on how/when they're shared and what your team does with them, but there's still value in sharing them.

    Opportunity cost wise, Leader of the Pack is going to be the "safe" choice that you can guarantee the mileage you get out of it. Oppressive Superiority would be next in line - you will always get value out of it as long as its condition is met. Eternal Bond could be useful, especially on the right build (look up Lord Hizen's old Soulbeast videos as an example of a notable player who utilized this trait in their build), but there will be games when you never take advantage of the fact this skill is slotted.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    How do eagle ruins compare to scholar in overall dps regarding soulbeast builds? Scholars are expensive and wondering if I'd be worth the change?

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    How do eagle ruins compare to scholar in overall dps regarding soulbeast builds? Scholars are expensive and wondering if I'd be worth the change?

    This is a spvp discussion, which means whatever set of runes you slot into your character's armor doesn't matter. The rune in spvp is entirely controlled by the rune set you select in your pvp equipment screen (accessed by clicking on the helmet icon at the top-center of your screen when you enter the pvp lobby).

    As to your actual question, I haven't tested it myself, but Eagle runes should outperform Scholar if you have trouble remaining above the 90% threshold for the Scholar buff. It would of course depend on how good you are at recovering/resetting fights.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    How do eagle ruins compare to scholar in overall dps regarding soulbeast builds? Scholars are expensive and wondering if I'd be worth the change?

    This is a spvp discussion, which means whatever set of runes you slot into your character's armor doesn't matter. The rune in spvp is entirely controlled by the rune set you select in your pvp equipment screen (accessed by clicking on the helmet icon at the top-center of your screen when you enter the pvp lobby).

    As to your actual question, I haven't tested it myself, but Eagle runes should outperform Scholar if you have trouble remaining above the 90% threshold for the Scholar buff. It would of course depend on how good you are at recovering/resetting fights.

    I get that just figured I was here and would still get a solid answer from long time rangers lol just always see scholars on power builds but figured in most scenarios eagle would be solid as well and way cheaper. Thanks for taking the time to reply ,I think ur right and gonna save my 30 gold lol.

  • Durzlla.6295Durzlla.6295 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    How do eagle ruins compare to scholar in overall dps regarding soulbeast builds? Scholars are expensive and wondering if I'd be worth the change?

    This is a spvp discussion, which means whatever set of runes you slot into your character's armor doesn't matter. The rune in spvp is entirely controlled by the rune set you select in your pvp equipment screen (accessed by clicking on the helmet icon at the top-center of your screen when you enter the pvp lobby).

    As to your actual question, I haven't tested it myself, but Eagle runes should outperform Scholar if you have trouble remaining above the 90% threshold for the Scholar buff. It would of course depend on how good you are at recovering/resetting fights.

    I get that just figured I was here and would still get a solid answer from long time rangers lol just always see scholars on power builds but figured in most scenarios eagle would be solid as well and way cheaper. Thanks for taking the time to reply ,I think ur right and gonna save my 30 gold lol.

    Scholar runes will provide more damage in PvE (and probably WvW) where you can easily cap out your crit chance and thus eagles precision bonus won’t help as much.

    But in PvP I’d definitely take eagle instead, it’ll help close out the kill a lot better, and the precision is way more useful for rangers than power since typically our power scaling is kitten compared to having more crits.

    If you use eagle in PvE I would absolutely 100% not tell anyone you’re using Eagle over scholar though, people are pretty fanatical about following the meta.

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  • Eurantien.4632Eurantien.4632 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    But like... Isn't just the raw power just better anyway over the precision? With those stats?

  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2019

    @Eurantien.4632 said:
    But like... Isn't just the raw power just better anyway over the precision? With those stats?

    Yes (I know you know the answer, just piggybacking).

    To build for power damage the investment order is:
    -Maximize Power
    -Build Precision next until crit chance is 50%
    -At 50% crit chance, Ferocity and Precision return equal value

    With Fury, Gear, and Traits being more available than similar options for Crit Damage, Ferocity is probably the "better" investment after 50% crit chance to focus on due to opportunity cost.

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  • DuckDuckBOOM.4097DuckDuckBOOM.4097 Member ✭✭✭

    @Eurantien.4632 said:
    But like... Isn't just the raw power just better anyway over the precision? With those stats?

    It's not just the raw power but also the modifiers for PvE and capping crit chance. In general, after the recent balance patch:
    Raids: Force/Impact+Thief runes (10% flanking bonus)
    Fotm: Force/Accuracy+Scholar runes.

    Both builds mix in assassin's gear to hit 100% crit chance with fury and banner (maybe spotter depending on team comp). So you are shooting for around 70-75% crit chance now. So precision and modifiers drive the sigil/rune changes and are more important than power up to a point.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    How do eagle ruins compare to scholar in overall dps regarding soulbeast builds? Scholars are expensive and wondering if I'd be worth the change?

    This is a spvp discussion, which means whatever set of runes you slot into your character's armor doesn't matter. The rune in spvp is entirely controlled by the rune set you select in your pvp equipment screen (accessed by clicking on the helmet icon at the top-center of your screen when you enter the pvp lobby).

    As to your actual question, I haven't tested it myself, but Eagle runes should outperform Scholar if you have trouble remaining above the 90% threshold for the Scholar buff. It would of course depend on how good you are at recovering/resetting fights.

    I get that just figured I was here and would still get a solid answer from long time rangers lol just always see scholars on power builds but figured in most scenarios eagle would be solid as well and way cheaper. Thanks for taking the time to reply ,I think ur right and gonna save my 30 gold lol.

    If you only have 1 armor set and also casually play open world, don't get thief even though it's meta in raids. The flanking bonus won't work without a tank holding constant aggro. However, I don't think eagle is worth it for open world PvE since you will be able to 1 hit KO a lot of mobs. Even if you don't 1 hit KO mobs, a single Maul will bring most enemies down to 25% health. This means the lower than 50% health bonus damage rarely kicks in. While the 90% health threshold is annoying, you are playing power SB already so you have loud whistle and oppressive superiority for those health thresholds. Get used to avoiding damage.

    If you want a cheap alternative, I think rune of the spellbreaker might serve you better in PvE. 7% vs enemies with no boons with power and precision.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭

    @DuckDuckBOOM.4097 said:

    @Eurantien.4632 said:
    But like... Isn't just the raw power just better anyway over the precision? With those stats?

    It's not just the raw power but also the modifiers for PvE and capping crit chance. In general, after the recent balance patch:
    Raids: Force/Impact+Thief runes (10% flanking bonus)
    Fotm: Force/Accuracy+Scholar runes.

    Both builds mix in assassin's gear to hit 100% crit chance with fury and banner (maybe spotter depending on team comp). So you are shooting for around 70-75% crit chance now. So precision and modifiers drive the sigil/rune changes and are more important than power up to a point.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    How do eagle ruins compare to scholar in overall dps regarding soulbeast builds? Scholars are expensive and wondering if I'd be worth the change?

    This is a spvp discussion, which means whatever set of runes you slot into your character's armor doesn't matter. The rune in spvp is entirely controlled by the rune set you select in your pvp equipment screen (accessed by clicking on the helmet icon at the top-center of your screen when you enter the pvp lobby).

    As to your actual question, I haven't tested it myself, but Eagle runes should outperform Scholar if you have trouble remaining above the 90% threshold for the Scholar buff. It would of course depend on how good you are at recovering/resetting fights.

    I get that just figured I was here and would still get a solid answer from long time rangers lol just always see scholars on power builds but figured in most scenarios eagle would be solid as well and way cheaper. Thanks for taking the time to reply ,I think ur right and gonna save my 30 gold lol.

    If you only have 1 armor set and also casually play open world, don't get thief even though it's meta in raids. The flanking bonus won't work without a tank holding constant aggro. However, I don't think eagle is worth it for open world PvE since you will be able to 1 hit KO a lot of mobs. Even if you don't 1 hit KO mobs, a single Maul will bring most enemies down to 25% health. This means the lower than 50% health bonus damage rarely kicks in. While the 90% health threshold is annoying, you are playing power SB already so you have loud whistle and oppressive superiority for those health thresholds. Get used to avoiding damage.

    If you want a cheap alternative, I think rune of the spellbreaker might serve you better in PvE. 7% vs enemies with no boons with power and precision.

    Ok thanks I'll check those out I may just night the bullet and pick up scholars.

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