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Toxic wvw Enemies

Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭

Im getting sick of it to get annoyed by some Enemies that just block someone to write, spam and insult anyone that just wins an normal fight.
Even worse are these players who wait until you come online to just write tons of messages with insults like from a conveyour belt.
Everytime I go to wvw and maybe kill 2-3 players i got at least one of them writing to me afterwards...
How do you guys&girls think about removing the function to block enemies? or would you wish to keep it?

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  • Well if your problem is that they msg you then block them but it seems the problem is you can't respond. I never get msg when I win a fight but I got a few talking trash after I lost so I just block anyone i lose to now. My block list is massive.

  • Silinsar.6298Silinsar.6298 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2019

    While they're at it I'd love if people who throw siege on your body after chasing you 5vs1 would just randomly get killed and teleported back to spawn without warning.

    And about blocking: could just take a few min to take effect (if someone spams you a lot the auto spam filter kicks in anyway) and you should not be able to contact enemies when the block is in effect.

    It seems odd that people are allowed to emote all over the place, be condescending etc. (hard to negate that, thrash "talk" always finds its way) but a chat message that can actually start a civil discussion can be blocked (it can also be toxic, but you can actually get banned for serious insults / threats).

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  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭

    @Rampage.7145 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    Im getting sick of it to get annoyed by some Enemies that just block someone to write, spam and insult anyone that just wins an normal fight.
    Even worse are these players who wait until you come online to just write tons of messages with insults like from a conveyour belt.
    Everytime I go to wvw and maybe kill 2-3 players i got at least one of them writing to me afterwards...
    How do you guys&girls think about removing the function to block enemies? or would you wish to keep it?

    I mean if you get triggered by salty people in PvP u should just stick to PvE my dude, salt and PMs are what most people even play WvW for, just saying, stick to your living story, PvP games are definitelly not for you.

    its not that i get triggered, i just get annoyed from so many messages over and over again, esp when im trying to chat with guild members etc.

  • UmbraNoctis.1907UmbraNoctis.1907 Member ✭✭✭

    You know that the block function is there to get rid of people spamming annoying messages? So maybe use it instead of requesting a removal?

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭

    cuz its more annoying to block every single raging kid that writes.
    Nobody should be able to see which enemy has which accountname.

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2019

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    cuz its more annoying to block every single raging kid that writes.
    Nobody should be able to see which enemy has which accountname.

    But what about people on my server? I get offended by them all the time for helping with siege or repairing walls for example. I think nobody should be able to write in this game. Maybe teamchat is ok but wispering needs to go.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭

    or maybe be able to turn on/off the whispering from strangers or "only friends" etc

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭

    No, then people will act friendly till you add them and start insulting you later.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭

    but the main problem is, They dont need to try to make players anonymous with names like "Gold-Champion~server~" if their accountnames can be seen anyway

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭

    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    Im getting sick of it to get annoyed by some Enemies that just block someone to write, spam and insult anyone that just wins an normal fight.
    Even worse are these players who wait until you come online to just write tons of messages with insults like from a conveyour belt.
    Everytime I go to wvw and maybe kill 2-3 players i got at least one of them writing to me afterwards...
    How do you guys&girls think about removing the function to block enemies? or would you wish to keep it?

    I'd like to keep it. I've only ever had one person get irrationally upset about losing to me. They talked some trash and that was that.

    On the other hand, I routinely use this "feature" to show respect to worthy opponents and have made a lot of friends this way. One of my favorite things in wvw is fighting against someone I know and then having a laugh afterward about the outcome.

    I'm in it for the fights and I appreciate other players who are of like mind. I'd like to continue being able to communicate with them.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    but the main problem is, They dont need to try to make players anonymous with names like "Gold-Champion~server~" if their accountnames can be seen anyway

    Why is that the main problem?

  • SlateSloan.3654SlateSloan.3654 Member ✭✭✭

    i play ranked pvp and think the wvw chats are rather harmless

  • @Virdo.1540 said:
    Im getting sick of it to get annoyed by some Enemies that just block someone to write, spam and insult anyone that just wins an normal fight.
    Even worse are these players who wait until you come online to just write tons of messages with insults like from a conveyour belt.
    Everytime I go to wvw and maybe kill 2-3 players i got at least one of them writing to me afterwards...
    How do you guys&girls think about removing the function to block enemies? or would you wish to keep it?

    If you keep getting messages from those your guild runs down and kills then the old adage comes to mind. If everybody else sees a problem and you say its everybody else, the problem is prob you. Think about it. You and your guild are obv doing something causing these "toxic" backlash. So it could be you are the one being toxic in the game and they're responding in like. Narcissism makes you believe everything is everybody else's fault when its actually everybody responding and reacting to you. So if you are toxic you're going to get toxicity in return. Its how everything in the universe works whether IRL or ingame.

  • @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

  • @SlateSloan.3654 said:
    i play ranked pvp and think the wvw chats are rather harmless

    theyre entertaining to say the least esp when 2 enemy servers are linked together. The fireworks fly and its a popcorn moment. Sometimes the only reason I log on is for team chat.

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2019

    ?

    I actually regret not screenshotting more of the salt whispers. More valuable than badges of honor, and it just takes 5 clicks or so to hard counter it all.

    I'll never forget the salt mail I got sent for a forum post though. It was long winded but I never read it. Probably should have; so much salt gone to waste. xD

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    Even if this were a problem-free solution (it isn't), it addresses a non-issue. Players entering a PvP game mode should expect to be attacked by other players. It's quite simply the nature of the game and should never be taken personally. Anyone who can't handle that is playing the wrong game. No change is needed here.

    Further, you create more problems than you solve with this particular solution. While a high rank requires dedication to the game mode and experience definitely correlates with ability, a roamer is still going to be at an advantage against a zerg player. I've certainly killed more diamond and mithril rank players on my way to my current silver rank than have killed me! You want to handicap them more?

  • Silinsar.6298Silinsar.6298 Member ✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    People would just smurf to gain an advantage. Imo, what would help new players and classes usually unwanted in zergs would be removing rallying of enemy players. Or downed state in general like this week^^
    Because rallybotting is the reason commanders don't want certain classes / players in zergs (for a reason, they are a liability). If rallying wasn't a thing a player might not add much to a zerg anyway, but at least he doesn't take away from it (put into a seperate group so boons aren't leeched).

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  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2019

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    Even if this were a problem-free solution (it isn't), it addresses a non-issue. Players entering a PvP game mode should expect to be attacked by other players. It's quite simply the nature of the game and should never be taken personally. Anyone who can't handle that is playing the wrong game. No change is needed here.

    Further, you create more problems than you solve with this particular solution. While a high rank requires dedication to the game mode and experience definitely correlates with ability, a roamer is still going to be at an advantage against a zerg player. I've certainly killed more diamond and mithril rank players on my way to my current silver rank than have killed me! You want to handicap them more?

    First of all the ganker (let's call it what it is) vs teamplayer problem has been solved by the horse. You clearly don't get the bigger picture. What is a single Diamond player vs the hordes of new players this change will bring? Not long and you can gank only dolyaks if nothing happens.

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2019

    @Silinsar.6298 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    People would just smurf to gain an advantage. Imo, what would help new players and classes usually unwanted in zergs would be removing rallying of enemy players. Or downed state in general like this week^^
    Because rallybotting is the reason commanders don't want certain classes / players in zergs (for a reason, they are a liability). If rallying wasn't a thing a player might not add much to a zerg anyway, but at least he doesn't take away from it (put into a seperate group so boons aren't leeched).

    That's where you are wrong. Rally is a mechanic that balances out skill gaps and we need mutch more of that to attract lots of players.

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ventusthunder.5067 said:
    Get thicker skin, or just block them the second you see a message. How this can be so hard for some of you people is beyond me.

    No need to get salty over people getting salty because they tried to whisper someone who was set to offline whispering them salt :-)

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • @Justine.6351 said:

    @ventusthunder.5067 said:
    Get thicker skin, or just block them the second you see a message. How this can be so hard for some of you people is beyond me.

    No need to get salty over people getting salty because they tried to whisper someone who was set to offline whispering them salt :-)

    True fact my friend lmao

    good lord i am absolute trash at this video game

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't think that's a serious suggestion, but diamond-ranked players usually had to spend all their time karma training to get that high, so you'll seldom find one that's actually skilled.

  • sneakytails.5629sneakytails.5629 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2019

    There is nothing you can do except block the goofballs, and follow the non-goofballs. It doesn't matter how good, or what clan they are from, if they throw siege or send nasty pm's they stay on my block list. Thankfully, its not very large yet.

    Things tend to get a little too toxic if this game mode is taken too seriously, you have to laugh at yourself a lot, and have a thick skin. Play how you want as long as you are not there to just BM peeps. You also have to realize others will be doing the same, and if you cannot handle players running certain specs or classes then this game mode is not for you.

    Too many people cant move on from a encounter, and they just stay triggered making everything around them worse.

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭

    @KryTiKaL.3125 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Silinsar.6298 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    People would just smurf to gain an advantage. Imo, what would help new players and classes usually unwanted in zergs would be removing rallying of enemy players. Or downed state in general like this week^^
    Because rallybotting is the reason commanders don't want certain classes / players in zergs (for a reason, they are a liability). If rallying wasn't a thing a player might not add much to a zerg anyway, but at least he doesn't take away from it (put into a seperate group so boons aren't leeched).

    That's where you are wrong. Rally is a mechanic that balances out skill gaps and we need mutch more of that to attract lots of players.

    . For that matter...what is wrong with skill gap?

    It creates frustration and we can't have that if we want lots of active players.

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    So the better I play the less damage I do?
    The reward for my skill is a nerf?

    Ideas this bad are why the devs should never listen to this community's input.

    The more you play. And how about you make a better proposal, dolyak boy.

  • KryTiKaL.3125KryTiKaL.3125 Member ✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @KryTiKaL.3125 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Silinsar.6298 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    People would just smurf to gain an advantage. Imo, what would help new players and classes usually unwanted in zergs would be removing rallying of enemy players. Or downed state in general like this week^^
    Because rallybotting is the reason commanders don't want certain classes / players in zergs (for a reason, they are a liability). If rallying wasn't a thing a player might not add much to a zerg anyway, but at least he doesn't take away from it (put into a seperate group so boons aren't leeched).

    That's where you are wrong. Rally is a mechanic that balances out skill gaps and we need mutch more of that to attract lots of players.

    . For that matter...what is wrong with skill gap?

    It creates frustration and we can't have that if we want lots of active players.

    What creates frustration can be entirely different from person to person, also what makes the frustration of these new players more valid than the frustrations of more veteran players?

    Skill gap isn't a bad thing, just because it frustrates those who are on one hand unwilling to improve by acknowledging their own mistakes or on the other hand have to accept their circumstances because they aren't able to play as frequently or don't want to improve (which is fine). Catering to either of those subsets of what essentially constitutes a "casual" player doesn't create a healthy PvP environment.

    Do you know what people actually want in WvW? Something more competitive than what we have now. People don't leave WvW because of the skill gap. That to me isn't a valid reason to begin with because we are talking about people who are, for some reason, expecting to...not die or something. People leave or don't play WvW because the rewards are not worth the time compared to PvE and there is no point to "winning" in WvW. Its not even bragging rights or anything.

    If they want to bring people into WvW they need to make it worthwhile to spend time in it and they need to create a reason to win or to want to win. To want to do better. The more they deviate from that direction the worse WvW will get.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    So the better I play the less damage I do?
    The reward for my skill is a nerf?

    Ideas this bad are why the devs should never listen to this community's input.

    The more you play. And how about you make a better proposal, dolyak boy.

    Why? The issue this proposal addresses isn't an issue that needs addressing.

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2019

    @KryTiKaL.3125 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @KryTiKaL.3125 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Silinsar.6298 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    People would just smurf to gain an advantage. Imo, what would help new players and classes usually unwanted in zergs would be removing rallying of enemy players. Or downed state in general like this week^^
    Because rallybotting is the reason commanders don't want certain classes / players in zergs (for a reason, they are a liability). If rallying wasn't a thing a player might not add much to a zerg anyway, but at least he doesn't take away from it (put into a seperate group so boons aren't leeched).

    That's where you are wrong. Rally is a mechanic that balances out skill gaps and we need mutch more of that to attract lots of players.

    . For that matter...what is wrong with skill gap?

    It creates frustration and we can't have that if we want lots of active players.

    What creates frustration can be entirely different from person to person, also what makes the frustration of these new players more valid than the frustrations of more veteran players?

    Skill gap isn't a bad thing, just because it frustrates those who are on one hand unwilling to improve by acknowledging their own mistakes or on the other hand have to accept their circumstances because they aren't able to play as frequently or don't want to improve (which is fine). Catering to either of those subsets of what essentially constitutes a "casual" player doesn't create a healthy PvP environment.

    Do you know what people actually want in WvW? Something more competitive than what we have now. People don't leave WvW because of the skill gap. That to me isn't a valid reason to begin with because we are talking about people who are, for some reason, expecting to...not die or something. People leave or don't play WvW because the rewards are not worth the time compared to PvE and there is no point to "winning" in WvW. Its not even bragging rights or anything.

    If they want to bring people into WvW they need to make it worthwhile to spend time in it and they need to create a reason to win or to want to win. To want to do better. The more they deviate from that direction the worse WvW will get.

    That misses the fundamental problem. Let's say we would actually improve the rewards for winning MUs drastically, even give out unique skins for events like in PvP. 2/3 of the players wouldn't be able to get them and leave the mode in frustration. Everyone needs rewards, and everyone needs to win.

  • schloumou.3982schloumou.3982 Member ✭✭✭

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    So the better I play the less damage I do?
    The reward for my skill is a nerf?

    Ideas this bad are why the devs should never listen to this community's input.

    The more you play. And how about you make a better proposal, dolyak boy.

    Why? The issue this proposal addresses isn't an issue that needs addressing.

    Who decides that? You?

  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2019

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    No, please, don't remove that function.
    When I kill an enemy I wait for him to whisper me - I live for that.
    If he doesn't whisper I start jumping on his corpse and I feel very sad if he ignore me.
    I am a simple man - I find the joy of life in these little things ;)

    While I don't enjoy typing salt because it makes no sense to get upset over a game, I enjoy reading salt too.
    This is why I proposed allowing servers to chat with each other in game.
    Chat warfare will help spice up the mode.
    Those allergic to salt can just hide or disable the chat.

  • KryTiKaL.3125KryTiKaL.3125 Member ✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @KryTiKaL.3125 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @KryTiKaL.3125 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Silinsar.6298 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    People would just smurf to gain an advantage. Imo, what would help new players and classes usually unwanted in zergs would be removing rallying of enemy players. Or downed state in general like this week^^
    Because rallybotting is the reason commanders don't want certain classes / players in zergs (for a reason, they are a liability). If rallying wasn't a thing a player might not add much to a zerg anyway, but at least he doesn't take away from it (put into a seperate group so boons aren't leeched).

    That's where you are wrong. Rally is a mechanic that balances out skill gaps and we need mutch more of that to attract lots of players.

    . For that matter...what is wrong with skill gap?

    It creates frustration and we can't have that if we want lots of active players.

    What creates frustration can be entirely different from person to person, also what makes the frustration of these new players more valid than the frustrations of more veteran players?

    Skill gap isn't a bad thing, just because it frustrates those who are on one hand unwilling to improve by acknowledging their own mistakes or on the other hand have to accept their circumstances because they aren't able to play as frequently or don't want to improve (which is fine). Catering to either of those subsets of what essentially constitutes a "casual" player doesn't create a healthy PvP environment.

    Do you know what people actually want in WvW? Something more competitive than what we have now. People don't leave WvW because of the skill gap. That to me isn't a valid reason to begin with because we are talking about people who are, for some reason, expecting to...not die or something. People leave or don't play WvW because the rewards are not worth the time compared to PvE and there is no point to "winning" in WvW. Its not even bragging rights or anything.

    If they want to bring people into WvW they need to make it worthwhile to spend time in it and they need to create a reason to win or to want to win. To want to do better. The more they deviate from that direction the worse WvW will get.

    That misses the fundamental problem. Let's say we would actually improve the rewards for winning MUs drastically, even give out unique skins for events like in PvP. 2/3 of the players wouldn't be able to get them and leave the mode in frustration. Everyone needs rewards, and everyone needs to win.

    2/3 would be able to get them based on what information? Do you have some inside knowledge of how Anet would improve rewards in WvW? If people are leaving because they are frustrated about dying in a Player Versus Player game mode then maybe they shouldn't play the game mode? Simple as that. It clearly isn't for them and anything Anet does isn't going to keep them around, giving them some sort of "damage reduction" for being low rank wouldn't help anything and it would just frustrate the veteran players because New Player #1 suddenly has 50% damage reduction because you're a Mithril rank. That doesn't work.

    If you want to get people interested in WvW and interested in improving you start at making the rewards worthwhile and give people a reason to win. Trying to turn WvW into some casual PvE fest that is pandering and handing things out to new players will severely hurt WvW, not help it.

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    So the better I play the less damage I do?
    The reward for my skill is a nerf?

    Ideas this bad are why the devs should never listen to this community's input.

    The more you play. And how about you make a better proposal, dolyak boy.

    Newbies and lower rank people should play more?

    [HaHa] Hazardous Hallucination - Sorrows Furnace

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    No, please, don't remove that function.
    When I kill an enemy I wait for him to whisper me - I live for that.
    If he doesn't whisper I start jumping on his corpse and I feel very sad if he ignore me.
    I am a simple man - I find the joy of life in these little things ;)

    Maybe he is a she and rather than waste time whispering you, she's plotting her revenge.

    [HaHa] Hazardous Hallucination - Sorrows Furnace

  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @HazyDaisy.4107 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    No, please, don't remove that function.
    When I kill an enemy I wait for him to whisper me - I live for that.
    If he doesn't whisper I start jumping on his corpse and I feel very sad if he ignore me.
    I am a simple man - I find the joy of life in these little things ;)

    Maybe he is a she and rather than waste time whispering you, she's plotting her revenge.

    After reading your post I am reminded that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

  • Opal.9324Opal.9324 Member ✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @KryTiKaL.3125 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Silinsar.6298 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    People would just smurf to gain an advantage. Imo, what would help new players and classes usually unwanted in zergs would be removing rallying of enemy players. Or downed state in general like this week^^
    Because rallybotting is the reason commanders don't want certain classes / players in zergs (for a reason, they are a liability). If rallying wasn't a thing a player might not add much to a zerg anyway, but at least he doesn't take away from it (put into a seperate group so boons aren't leeched).

    That's where you are wrong. Rally is a mechanic that balances out skill gaps and we need mutch more of that to attract lots of players.

    . For that matter...what is wrong with skill gap?

    It creates frustration and we can't have that if we want lots of active players.

    Not as much frustration as your suggestion would cause. Who's going to want to keep playing a game mode that punishes you for playing a long time? That would be like having your stats go down every time you level up in PVE.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:

    @Nocturnal Lunacy.8563 said:

    @schloumou.3982 said:
    Yep. Those displayed ranks are kind of insulting too. It only leads to low rank players beeing harassed and focused by the self proclaimed roamers. Needs to be done something.

    Actually as a (roamer before the advent of the mount) I never attacked anybody under the rank of bronze. I feel they should at least have learned the game by bronze rank. And I even go as far as to just ignore the low rank unless they make it absolutely hard to ignore them then I have to delete them but i dont stomp i just walk away. If they are unlucky some guy will come by and stomp them and i get a "Small Loot Bag" If you all gave out precursors you better believe id be at your spawn all day.

    That's very nobel but we can't rely on self imposed rules here. What we need is damage reduction for lower ranks. A diamond player for example should do max 70% damage against an platinum player.

    So the better I play the less damage I do?
    The reward for my skill is a nerf?

    Ideas this bad are why the devs should never listen to this community's input.

    The more you play. And how about you make a better proposal, dolyak boy.

    Why? The issue this proposal addresses isn't an issue that needs addressing.

    Who decides that? You?

    That's right, chief. Me. Why? Who decided that there was a problem? You? Are you starting to get how this forum thing works yet?

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2019

    Your damage reduction is that as a lower rank (bronze or below) "most" higher ranks (plat and above) are likely to give you free pass. If you were a higher (this time silver and above) you'd see they don't get as many free passes, everyone targets them, which is why most don't roam alone.

    You think I'm lying, test it out, bronze guys don't see nearly as many ganks as they will the moment they hit silver and both of my alts can attest to that. I'd roam on my Plat main and constantly be bombarded, switch to an alt (at the time) bronze and those same people would 9/10xs let me be. But once those accounts hit silver, nope, just a regular bag.

    Any advantages on top of free passes (at player discetion) would likely nullify said player discretion and turn all low ranks into free for alls.

    [HaHa] Hazardous Hallucination - Sorrows Furnace

  • Slick.7164Slick.7164 Member ✭✭

    Serious? Block JC

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