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  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    If you say so ... lots of people disagree with that. It's not a fact that GS don't work ... GS works just like everything else.

    GS dont work

    Based on what? The fact that it can be countered? That's nonsense.

    GS dont work

  • Lahmia.2193Lahmia.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A fairly obvious outdated part of Guardian Greatsword would be the rooting on skill 4. Need I remind everyone that Reaper Greatsword 4 also had this same rooting animation during HoT beta, but anet changed it to the current mobile animation. They could do the same for Guardian.

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  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Lahmia.2193 said:
    A fairly obvious outdated part of Guardian Greatsword would be the rooting on skill 4. Need I remind everyone that Reaper Greatsword 4 also had this same rooting animation during HoT beta, but anet changed it to the current mobile animation. They could do the same for Guardian.

    they need to make GS 2 instant nothing else

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 13, 2019

    GS2 will not be insta, ever. We can see from the skill design that it's not inline with how the devs intend for it to work. There are lots of skills that apply damage in this manner, so it's not a fluke.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • RUNICBLACK.7630RUNICBLACK.7630 Member ✭✭✭

    Ok as much as find this entertaining you are wasting your time and everybody else's if you had any legitimate argument you might have a few more people defending your viewpoint as it is pretty much nobody is, I have and still do use GS in PvE , PvP , WvW , etc and while it isn't always my go to weapon it is still VERY useful in many situations . LOOK at Snowcrows guide for raids etc they use GS on many of the different RAID build for both DH and FB, LOOK at Metabattle there are many builds for PvP , PvE, and WvW that use GS if you refuse to even look or listen to anyone else who have been playing the class in ALL of these different game modes and has been doing it successfully ergo you are not using it properly or you are missing something critical in how you play. I do not claim to be an expert but I will check out other players that are playing my preferred class better than I am to possibly learn how to improve if you refuse to even consider the possibility that you are mistaken or that you can learn from these other people than there is absolutely "No Way That You Are Going To Get Anyone To Respect Or Listen To Your Viewpoint!" because all I'm seeing coming from you is unfounded circular logic to defend your opinion( because you haven't posted ANY facts just your opinion) and when that fails you fall back to "Your wrong I'm Right and that they are annoying you." If this is an example of explaining "your viewpoint" and defending "your opinion" it has failed profoundly and you really haven't swayed anybody . Please go look at those resources and check out some other streamers online that play Guardians in the different game modes they are out there and while the Guardian doesn't dominate right now we aren't dead in the water either and I am certain that you will see players using the GS successfully.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭

    I'd rather have Anet give us back the Healing on Greatsword skills on Zealous Blade.

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @otto.5684 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:
    Because its outdated spell and everyone (PVP) can see the animation and dodge it thats why

    Actually core guard rely on this specific skill and god knows it works super well. You just don't know how to play GS effectively (no offense)

    i know how it works i play with core guard in plat 2 and it sux "wokrs super well" in silver and gold but in plat vs better players its not good this is the change that core guards need to be able to be competitive in high rate games !

    GS 2 has no issues at all in any game. And GS in general does not either. Guardian has significant issues, but GS is not an issue.

    Before RI nerf core guardian with GS was performing well.

    Gs second ability is outdated and need to be change the other abilitys are good i will give you example in league of legends old champions cant beat newer champs same thing here old spec cant beat newer elite specs and need changes to be up to date with everyone instan damage from second Gs spell is needed ! sorry for my bad english

    Sorry but isnt scrapper very good in pvp now?

    Also interesting fact: in game skt vs liquid jungle matchup was lee sin vs Jarvan. Both very old champions.
    Karthus jungle was dominant pick whole split in europe. Karthus is very old champion.
    Jayce top is not that old but he was the 100th champion and was go to pick toplane last worlds.
    This versions of sejuany and gragas are also quite old but were meta last year...
    I cold go on but I guess I made my point

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @RUNICBLACK.7630 said:
    Ok as much as find this entertaining you are wasting your time and everybody else's if you had any legitimate argument you might have a few more people defending your viewpoint as it is pretty much nobody is, I have and still do use GS in PvE , PvP , WvW , etc and while it isn't always my go to weapon it is still VERY useful in many situations . LOOK at Snowcrows guide for raids etc they use GS on many of the different RAID build for both DH and FB, LOOK at Metabattle there are many builds for PvP , PvE, and WvW that use GS if you refuse to even look or listen to anyone else who have been playing the class in ALL of these different game modes and has been doing it successfully ergo you are not using it properly or you are missing something critical in how you play. I do not claim to be an expert but I will check out other players that are playing my preferred class better than I am to possibly learn how to improve if you refuse to even consider the possibility that you are mistaken or that you can learn from these other people than there is absolutely "No Way That You Are Going To Get Anyone To Respect Or Listen To Your Viewpoint!" because all I'm seeing coming from you is unfounded circular logic to defend your opinion( because you haven't posted ANY facts just your opinion) and when that fails you fall back to "Your wrong I'm Right and that they are annoying you." If this is an example of explaining "your viewpoint" and defending "your opinion" it has failed profoundly and you really haven't swayed anybody . Please go look at those resources and check out some other streamers online that play Guardians in the different game modes they are out there and while the Guardian doesn't dominate right now we aren't dead in the water either and I am certain that you will see players using the GS successfully.

    if i want to play PVE i will go and play the witcher 3 but here go 1 fact for you guard GS dont work in plat 2 and above you guys clearly dont play plat 2 and above and you are comparing PVE stuff and low elo PVP this is 2012 weapon design and its bad and not working in new meta pvp bc new meta pvp get updatet you guys just dont like changes and get angry on one small change from spin to instant WHAt ? stay in gold and think the weapon is good bc you one shot someone :D if you think that 3 ppl told me GS is perfec you are WRONG gs in very bad in high elo PVP games

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    GS2 will not be insta, ever. We can see from the skill design that it's not inline with how the devs intend for it to work. There are lots of skills that apply damage in this manner, so it's not a fluke

    How many times i need to tell you to go and spam on someone else post ur toxic

    No, I'm not toxic because I disagree with you ... though I could say you are toxic for acting out the way you are against the people that disagree with you. Forums are a place of discussion. You post your idea here so people can discuss what's good and what's bad about it. If you can't handle that criticism in a more mature manner, you shouldn't post your ideas.

    The fact is that the reasoning you are presenting for your idea is faulty ... almost every weapon skill works as you describe, allowing players to counter the damage. Nothing about GS should lead anyone to think its exceptional in any way to make it so it's skills can't be countered either. It's a completely nonsensical way to think about ANY skill for PVP ... a skill needs to be very special to be really hard to counter ... and that's the situation we have in GW2. There aren't many skills that are really difficult to counter and there is good reason for it.

    Until you understand this, your idea doesn't make sense for the reason you present. GS2 shouldn't be insta cast just because you don't like the idea that people can counter it in PVP. It's irrelevant where it works or doesn't for you. You are clearly not the ultimate authority on this, nor do you seem even qualified to speak about it for the majority of players. The whole idea is absurd and even when challenged to think of ANY reason to make GS2 insta ... there are none.

    If you don't like how GS works in PVP ... don't use it. There are other choices. The reason you can't take it farther than plat 2 isn't because of the weapon, it's because of you as a player.

    GS dont work end of story

    Sure for you it doesn't work. If it didn't work for everyone, you wouldn't be the only person making these posts. That means it's a player skill issue, not a problem with how GS is designed.

    I doubt Anet is going to make an IWIN button just for you ... but if you think poorly reasoned forum posts can change that, I would LOVE to see how that works out.

    Tell me how great GS is ? the fact that we dont see player in plat 2 and above is bc i dont have skill ? or just the weapon have terrible design and dont work this is a fact GS sux and ppl pref to play something that work FB EGIS etc even if GOD OF PVP player take Guard and master with GS will never go high rating GS dont work if you think it does you are WRONG and you are the one who cant take the facts not me

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 13, 2019

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    GS2 will not be insta, ever. We can see from the skill design that it's not inline with how the devs intend for it to work. There are lots of skills that apply damage in this manner, so it's not a fluke

    How many times i need to tell you to go and spam on someone else post ur toxic

    No, I'm not toxic because I disagree with you ... though I could say you are toxic for acting out the way you are against the people that disagree with you. Forums are a place of discussion. You post your idea here so people can discuss what's good and what's bad about it. If you can't handle that criticism in a more mature manner, you shouldn't post your ideas.

    The fact is that the reasoning you are presenting for your idea is faulty ... almost every weapon skill works as you describe, allowing players to counter the damage. Nothing about GS should lead anyone to think its exceptional in any way to make it so it's skills can't be countered either. It's a completely nonsensical way to think about ANY skill for PVP ... a skill needs to be very special to be really hard to counter ... and that's the situation we have in GW2. There aren't many skills that are really difficult to counter and there is good reason for it.

    Until you understand this, your idea doesn't make sense for the reason you present. GS2 shouldn't be insta cast just because you don't like the idea that people can counter it in PVP. It's irrelevant where it works or doesn't for you. You are clearly not the ultimate authority on this, nor do you seem even qualified to speak about it for the majority of players. The whole idea is absurd and even when challenged to think of ANY reason to make GS2 insta ... there are none.

    If you don't like how GS works in PVP ... don't use it. There are other choices. The reason you can't take it farther than plat 2 isn't because of the weapon, it's because of you as a player.

    GS dont work end of story

    Sure for you it doesn't work. If it didn't work for everyone, you wouldn't be the only person making these posts. That means it's a player skill issue, not a problem with how GS is designed.

    I doubt Anet is going to make an IWIN button just for you ... but if you think poorly reasoned forum posts can change that, I would LOVE to see how that works out.

    Tell me how great GS is ? the fact that we dont see player in plat 2 and above is bc i dont have skill ? or just the weapon have terrible design and dont work this is a fact GS sux and ppl pref to play something that work FB EGIS etc even if GOD OF PVP player take Guard and master with GS will never go high rating GS dont work if you think it does you are WRONG and you are the one who cant take the facts not me

    So it's your hypothesis there are no guardians past plat 2 because GS2 isn't instacast? Clearly you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds, or how unrealistic it would be for Anet to change it just to address something that isn't a problem in the first place. That's right ... it's not a problem if there are no guardians past plat 2 in PVP and it's highly debatable that GS2 insta would fix that.

    The fact is that GS2 insta isn't going to happen just because there are no guardians past plat 2. That's simply not something that needs to be fixed because it's not a problem.

    GS doesn't have terrible design ... it's NOT exceptional in how it works. Many weapons work just like it. You've simply come to some very bad conclusions.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    GS2 will not be insta, ever. We can see from the skill design that it's not inline with how the devs intend for it to work. There are lots of skills that apply damage in this manner, so it's not a fluke

    How many times i need to tell you to go and spam on someone else post ur toxic

    No, I'm not toxic because I disagree with you ... though I could say you are toxic for acting out the way you are against the people that disagree with you. Forums are a place of discussion. You post your idea here so people can discuss what's good and what's bad about it. If you can't handle that criticism in a more mature manner, you shouldn't post your ideas.

    The fact is that the reasoning you are presenting for your idea is faulty ... almost every weapon skill works as you describe, allowing players to counter the damage. Nothing about GS should lead anyone to think its exceptional in any way to make it so it's skills can't be countered either. It's a completely nonsensical way to think about ANY skill for PVP ... a skill needs to be very special to be really hard to counter ... and that's the situation we have in GW2. There aren't many skills that are really difficult to counter and there is good reason for it.

    Until you understand this, your idea doesn't make sense for the reason you present. GS2 shouldn't be insta cast just because you don't like the idea that people can counter it in PVP. It's irrelevant where it works or doesn't for you. You are clearly not the ultimate authority on this, nor do you seem even qualified to speak about it for the majority of players. The whole idea is absurd and even when challenged to think of ANY reason to make GS2 insta ... there are none.

    If you don't like how GS works in PVP ... don't use it. There are other choices. The reason you can't take it farther than plat 2 isn't because of the weapon, it's because of you as a player.

    GS dont work end of story

    Sure for you it doesn't work. If it didn't work for everyone, you wouldn't be the only person making these posts. That means it's a player skill issue, not a problem with how GS is designed.

    I doubt Anet is going to make an IWIN button just for you ... but if you think poorly reasoned forum posts can change that, I would LOVE to see how that works out.

    Tell me how great GS is ? the fact that we dont see player in plat 2 and above is bc i dont have skill ? or just the weapon have terrible design and dont work this is a fact GS sux and ppl pref to play something that work FB EGIS etc even if GOD OF PVP player take Guard and master with GS will never go high rating GS dont work if you think it does you are WRONG and you are the one who cant take the facts not me

    So it's your hypothesis there are no guardians past plat 2 because GS2 isn't instacast? Clearly you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds, or how unrealistic it would be for Anet to change it just to address something that isn't a problem in the first place. That's right ... it's not a problem if there are no guardians past plat 2 in PVP and it's highly debatable that GS2 insta would fix that.

    The fact is that GS2 insta isn't going to happen just because there are no guardians past plat 2. That's simply not something that needs to be fixed because it's not a problem.

    The weapons doesn't have terrible design ... it's NOT exceptional in how it works.

    So you are gold and you get rekt by spin version and you dont want instan version got it

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 13, 2019

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    GS2 will not be insta, ever. We can see from the skill design that it's not inline with how the devs intend for it to work. There are lots of skills that apply damage in this manner, so it's not a fluke

    How many times i need to tell you to go and spam on someone else post ur toxic

    No, I'm not toxic because I disagree with you ... though I could say you are toxic for acting out the way you are against the people that disagree with you. Forums are a place of discussion. You post your idea here so people can discuss what's good and what's bad about it. If you can't handle that criticism in a more mature manner, you shouldn't post your ideas.

    The fact is that the reasoning you are presenting for your idea is faulty ... almost every weapon skill works as you describe, allowing players to counter the damage. Nothing about GS should lead anyone to think its exceptional in any way to make it so it's skills can't be countered either. It's a completely nonsensical way to think about ANY skill for PVP ... a skill needs to be very special to be really hard to counter ... and that's the situation we have in GW2. There aren't many skills that are really difficult to counter and there is good reason for it.

    Until you understand this, your idea doesn't make sense for the reason you present. GS2 shouldn't be insta cast just because you don't like the idea that people can counter it in PVP. It's irrelevant where it works or doesn't for you. You are clearly not the ultimate authority on this, nor do you seem even qualified to speak about it for the majority of players. The whole idea is absurd and even when challenged to think of ANY reason to make GS2 insta ... there are none.

    If you don't like how GS works in PVP ... don't use it. There are other choices. The reason you can't take it farther than plat 2 isn't because of the weapon, it's because of you as a player.

    GS dont work end of story

    Sure for you it doesn't work. If it didn't work for everyone, you wouldn't be the only person making these posts. That means it's a player skill issue, not a problem with how GS is designed.

    I doubt Anet is going to make an IWIN button just for you ... but if you think poorly reasoned forum posts can change that, I would LOVE to see how that works out.

    Tell me how great GS is ? the fact that we dont see player in plat 2 and above is bc i dont have skill ? or just the weapon have terrible design and dont work this is a fact GS sux and ppl pref to play something that work FB EGIS etc even if GOD OF PVP player take Guard and master with GS will never go high rating GS dont work if you think it does you are WRONG and you are the one who cant take the facts not me

    So it's your hypothesis there are no guardians past plat 2 because GS2 isn't instacast? Clearly you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds, or how unrealistic it would be for Anet to change it just to address something that isn't a problem in the first place. That's right ... it's not a problem if there are no guardians past plat 2 in PVP and it's highly debatable that GS2 insta would fix that.

    The fact is that GS2 insta isn't going to happen just because there are no guardians past plat 2. That's simply not something that needs to be fixed because it's not a problem.

    The weapons doesn't have terrible design ... it's NOT exceptional in how it works.

    So you are gold and you get rekt by spin version and you dont want instan version got it

    That doesn't make sense or change what I said ... there could be LOTS of reasons there are no guardians past plat 2 (I'm not even sure that's true to be honest) but I'm pretty certain we won't be getting an IWIN button on GS because of it. That reasoning is absolutely absurd.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    GS2 will not be insta, ever. We can see from the skill design that it's not inline with how the devs intend for it to work. There are lots of skills that apply damage in this manner, so it's not a fluke

    How many times i need to tell you to go and spam on someone else post ur toxic

    No, I'm not toxic because I disagree with you ... though I could say you are toxic for acting out the way you are against the people that disagree with you. Forums are a place of discussion. You post your idea here so people can discuss what's good and what's bad about it. If you can't handle that criticism in a more mature manner, you shouldn't post your ideas.

    The fact is that the reasoning you are presenting for your idea is faulty ... almost every weapon skill works as you describe, allowing players to counter the damage. Nothing about GS should lead anyone to think its exceptional in any way to make it so it's skills can't be countered either. It's a completely nonsensical way to think about ANY skill for PVP ... a skill needs to be very special to be really hard to counter ... and that's the situation we have in GW2. There aren't many skills that are really difficult to counter and there is good reason for it.

    Until you understand this, your idea doesn't make sense for the reason you present. GS2 shouldn't be insta cast just because you don't like the idea that people can counter it in PVP. It's irrelevant where it works or doesn't for you. You are clearly not the ultimate authority on this, nor do you seem even qualified to speak about it for the majority of players. The whole idea is absurd and even when challenged to think of ANY reason to make GS2 insta ... there are none.

    If you don't like how GS works in PVP ... don't use it. There are other choices. The reason you can't take it farther than plat 2 isn't because of the weapon, it's because of you as a player.

    GS dont work end of story

    Sure for you it doesn't work. If it didn't work for everyone, you wouldn't be the only person making these posts. That means it's a player skill issue, not a problem with how GS is designed.

    I doubt Anet is going to make an IWIN button just for you ... but if you think poorly reasoned forum posts can change that, I would LOVE to see how that works out.

    Tell me how great GS is ? the fact that we dont see player in plat 2 and above is bc i dont have skill ? or just the weapon have terrible design and dont work this is a fact GS sux and ppl pref to play something that work FB EGIS etc even if GOD OF PVP player take Guard and master with GS will never go high rating GS dont work if you think it does you are WRONG and you are the one who cant take the facts not me

    So it's your hypothesis there are no guardians past plat 2 because GS2 isn't instacast? Clearly you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds, or how unrealistic it would be for Anet to change it just to address something that isn't a problem in the first place. That's right ... it's not a problem if there are no guardians past plat 2 in PVP and it's highly debatable that GS2 insta would fix that.

    The fact is that GS2 insta isn't going to happen just because there are no guardians past plat 2. That's simply not something that needs to be fixed because it's not a problem.

    The weapons doesn't have terrible design ... it's NOT exceptional in how it works.

    So you are gold and you get rekt by spin version and you dont want instan version got it

    That doesn't make sense or change what I said ... there could be LOTS of reasons there are no guardians past plat 2 (I'm not even sure that's true to be honest) but I'm pretty certain we won't be getting an IWIN button on GS because of it. That reasoning is absolutely absurd.

    You couldn't know if there are no core guards in plat 2 bc you are gold i told tell me how GS is perfect and what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp :D and im not demanding that Anet need to change it to instan bc i said so but bc will be better and more competitive faster gameplay and you will be able to atleast try to counter some other spec but you clearly dont know how pvp works you are spending your time in the forums just to be on top of ppl

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 13, 2019

    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.

    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

  • Aridon.8362Aridon.8362 Member ✭✭✭

    I lol at the people saying Arc Divider is going to be nerfed. Unless you work at Anet and know what's going on in there, you can't assume that. I could say Ghastly Breach is going to get nerfed but there it is still un-nerfed since PoF launch.

  • Kulvar.1239Kulvar.1239 Member ✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    GS is one of the better designed weapon on guardian. All skills are useful in a way or an other.
    But I won't try to explain it to you, because I have the feeling you'll ignore all I could say and just reply "GS don't work"

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @Kulvar.1239 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    GS is one of the better designed weapon on guardian. All skills are useful in a way or an other.
    But I won't try to explain it to you, because I have the feeling you'll ignore all I could say and just reply "GS don't work"

    You cant tell me how they are useful bc they are not only 3 is useful and maybe 5 the other spells are stupid who the hell will stay in ur 4 or in order to use 2 you need gap close ability if you are chasing someone and do 2 they just need to walk away no even dodge this is how stupid gs 2 is and need to be if its not prove me wrong and tell me how good it is and what are the benefits from all 5 skills :)

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    These are irrelevant points. Anet isn't going to make GS2 insta because people don't meet your expectations for explaining how all 5 GS skills are useful. If the argument is so weak that you have to attack people's background and perception of the game to justify your idea ... it's not going to go very far. Likewise if the best argument you can provide is based on your own perceptions and not not reflective of player's experience with the game overall.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    These are irrelevant points. Anet isn't going to make GS2 insta because people don't meet your expectations for explaining how all 5 GS skills are useful. If the argument is so weak that you have to attack people's background and perception of the game to justify your idea ... it's not going to go very far. Likewise if the best argument you can provide is based on your own perceptions and not not reflective of player's experience with the game overall.

    My point of view is balance why other specs can spam damage but core guards cant instan damage gs 2 its not gona brake the game its small change gs its not perfect and need to adapt to newer meta and style of gameplay and dont tell me its a skill bc is not i told you even if god of pvp take core guard with gs will not do a lot bc is limited by the poor GS design i told you million times tell me how gs is perfec GS dont have any counter play potential where is the balance in that your argument is hollow you are telling me that gs is perfect and you also cant provide any evidence that it does if you give humans few tools they are limited what they can accomplish same here with the GS you can reach plat 2+ but never legendary its not skill its the weapon

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    Even if your PoV is balance, this line of 'justification' for your ideas and how you attack other players isn't appropriate. I'm sure you have been made aware of that at this point with some forum messaging.

    Other classes work different because Anet made them that way to offer play variety to customers. That's why other classes can do things that Guardian can't ... it's also why Guardian does things other classes can't. You need to make better choices more appropriate to your playstyle, not petition Anet to 'fix' things so it's more suited to your 'capability' to play the class in PVP. I'm confident Gs2 will not change, especially based on the reasons you provide to change it. How it doesn't work for you isn't a compelling reason to change it. I'm certain you will reply to this but I'm good at this point. I will sleep well knowing Anet will maintain their approach to 'balancing' the game.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Lonewolf Kai.3682Lonewolf Kai.3682 Member ✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    No no, you can’t do that. The burden of proof lies in your court bub. You’re the one making the accusation that Guardian GS is a terrible design. You have to prove that it is first and you have not shown any proof yet. All you have is circumstantial since you claim that there is no Guardian in Plat that uses GS.

    Also, wasn’t last years top 2 players FB Guardians and both used GS? I remember watching a video on it. I’ll post the thread discussion as soon as I find it.

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    No no, you can’t do that. The burden of proof lies in your court bub. You’re the one making the accusation that Guardian GS is a terrible design. You have to prove that it is first and you have not shown any proof yet. All you have is circumstantial since you claim that there is no Guardian in Plat that uses GS.

    Also, wasn’t last years top 2 players FB Guardians and both used GS? I remember watching a video on it. I’ll post the thread discussion as soon as I find it.

    I did provide plenti evidence you just didnt all the comments

  • Gs2 is a low cd skill with good dmg. i main guardian and i have no issue with this skill. making it a one hit skill with all that damage will be dumb cos overall, it will hit harder than an arcing slice if thats the case. Gs2 also helps to cleave downed enemies. Also, you can just learn to bait out dodges and use Gs2 at the right moments to get the most out of it. so, this is just a learn to play issue.

    "All the talent in this world won't take you anywhere without your Teammates
    Trust them, Res them, Support them
    "

  • Lonewolf Kai.3682Lonewolf Kai.3682 Member ✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    No no, you can’t do that. The burden of proof lies in your court bub. You’re the one making the accusation that Guardian GS is a terrible design. You have to prove that it is first and you have not shown any proof yet. All you have is circumstantial since you claim that there is no Guardian in Plat that uses GS.

    Also, wasn’t last years top 2 players FB Guardians and both used GS? I remember watching a video on it. I’ll post the thread discussion as soon as I find it.

    I did provide plenti evidence you just didnt all the comments

    You have only provided conjecture and opinion. Try again.

    I found the thread but unfortunately the video has bee taken down. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62254/firebrand-solo-roaming-in-wvw#latest. In the thread there was discussion of a PvP tournament. The top 2 were FBs and both used GS in the build.

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Even if your PoV is balance, this line of 'justification' for your ideas and how you attack other players isn't appropriate. I'm sure you have been made aware of that at this point with some forum messaging.

    Other classes work different because Anet made them that way to offer play variety to customers. That's why other classes can do things that Guardian can't ... it's also why Guardian does things other classes can't. You need to make better choices more appropriate to your playstyle, not petition Anet to 'fix' things so it's more suited to your 'capability' to play the class in PVP. I'm confident Gs2 will not change, especially based on the reasons you provide to change it. How it doesn't work for you isn't a compelling reason to change it. I'm certain you will reply to this but I'm good at this point. I will sleep well knowing Anet will maintain their approach to 'balancing' the game.

    I dont atack anyone you just dont like the idea of GS 2 be instant damage also Anet do changes things are not perfect we have seen weapon skills rework in the past !

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    No no, you can’t do that. The burden of proof lies in your court bub. You’re the one making the accusation that Guardian GS is a terrible design. You have to prove that it is first and you have not shown any proof yet. All you have is circumstantial since you claim that there is no Guardian in Plat that uses GS.

    Also, wasn’t last years top 2 players FB Guardians and both used GS? I remember watching a video on it. I’ll post the thread discussion as soon as I find it.

    I did provide plenti evidence you just didnt all the comments

    You have only provided conjecture and opinion. Try again.

    I found the thread but unfortunately the video has bee taken down. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62254/firebrand-solo-roaming-in-wvw#latest. In the thread there was discussion of a PvP tournament. The top 2 were FBs and both used GS in the build.

    That dont prove anything they are limited by weapon choice and what is this gold ? try again

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Largo Cifer.3495 said:
    Gs2 is a low cd skill with good dmg. i main guardian and i have no issue with this skill. making it a one hit skill with all that damage will be dumb cos overall, it will hit harder than an arcing slice if thats the case. Gs2 also helps to cleave downed enemies. Also, you can just learn to bait out dodges and use Gs2 at the right moments to get the most out of it. so, this is just a learn to play issue.

    Dont just dont :D i have 3k games in plat with gs guard telling ppl to bait dodge just lmao if they make gs2 instant they will adjust the damage dont worry bait dodge with that ? auto atacks ?? :D

  • Largo Cifer.3495Largo Cifer.3495 Member ✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Even if your PoV is balance, this line of 'justification' for your ideas and how you attack other players isn't appropriate. I'm sure you have been made aware of that at this point with some forum messaging.

    Other classes work different because Anet made them that way to offer play variety to customers. That's why other classes can do things that Guardian can't ... it's also why Guardian does things other classes can't. You need to make better choices more appropriate to your playstyle, not petition Anet to 'fix' things so it's more suited to your 'capability' to play the class in PVP. I'm confident Gs2 will not change, especially based on the reasons you provide to change it. How it doesn't work for you isn't a compelling reason to change it. I'm certain you will reply to this but I'm good at this point. I will sleep well knowing Anet will maintain their approach to 'balancing' the game.

    I dont atack anyone you just dont like the idea of GS 2 be instant damage also Anet do changes things are not perfect we have seen weapon skills rework in the past !

    If they make guardian Gs2 a one hit skill, the warrior mains are gonna cry for 100 blades being something like this. not to mention u cannot move while doing 100 blades and its an 8 hit skill.

    "All the talent in this world won't take you anywhere without your Teammates
    Trust them, Res them, Support them
    "

  • I just have an agility sigil on my GS which makes Gs2 a 1 second spin. Pretty useful imo

    "All the talent in this world won't take you anywhere without your Teammates
    Trust them, Res them, Support them
    "

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Largo Cifer.3495 said:

    I dont atack anyone you just dont like the idea of GS 2 be instant damage also Anet do changes things are not perfect we have seen weapon skills rework in the past !

    If they make guardian Gs2 a one hit skill, the warrior mains are gonna cry for 100 blades being something like this. not to mention u cannot move while doing 100 blades and its an 8 hit skill.

    Warr gs2 is fine warr gs 2 its not their main ability to do damage its more like down cleave or if they cc someone but guard gs 2 its the only damage and burst we have so yea..

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    I think the biggest point the OP is trying to make is that guard gs has only 1 source of damage. the auto is ok, 3 can hit kinda hard, but when you've used your burst there isn't really anything you can do other then kite or switch weapons. when compared to other professions weapons it doesn't really stand up to par. I think the logic behind this is that guard is thematically supposed to be the tanky class, altho most everyone knows what a meme that is.

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    I think the biggest point the OP is trying to make is that guard gs has only 1 source of damage. the auto is ok, 3 can hit kinda hard, but when you've used your burst there isn't really anything you can do other then kite or switch weapons. when compared to other professions weapons it doesn't really stand up to par. I think the logic behind this is that guard is thematically supposed to be the tanky class, altho most everyone knows what a meme that is.

    Thats not point or opinion or skill related but just fact and its so easy and predicteble to dodge gs2 or just run in front of me

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Kulvar.1239 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    GS is one of the better designed weapon on guardian. All skills are useful in a way or an other.
    But I won't try to explain it to you, because I have the feeling you'll ignore all I could say and just reply "GS don't work"

    You cant tell me how they are useful bc they are not only 3 is useful and maybe 5 the other spells are stupid who the hell will stay in ur 4 or in order to use 2 you need gap close ability if you are chasing someone and do 2 they just need to walk away no even dodge this is how stupid gs 2 is and need to be if its not prove me wrong and tell me how good it is and what are the benefits from all 5 skills :)

    There is ample explanations why GS is well designed. You just choose to ignore it. You also choose to ignore that few month ago, guardian power dps with GS was in a good position, and the changes the occurred since, none of which were to GS, are the reason for the current lack of performance.

    There are good reasons to bark, but you are barking at the wrong tree.

  • Lonewolf Kai.3682Lonewolf Kai.3682 Member ✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    No no, you can’t do that. The burden of proof lies in your court bub. You’re the one making the accusation that Guardian GS is a terrible design. You have to prove that it is first and you have not shown any proof yet. All you have is circumstantial since you claim that there is no Guardian in Plat that uses GS.

    Also, wasn’t last years top 2 players FB Guardians and both used GS? I remember watching a video on it. I’ll post the thread discussion as soon as I find it.

    I did provide plenti evidence you just didnt all the comments

    You have only provided conjecture and opinion. Try again.

    I found the thread but unfortunately the video has bee taken down. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62254/firebrand-solo-roaming-in-wvw#latest. In the thread there was discussion of a PvP tournament. The top 2 were FBs and both used GS in the build.

    That dont prove anything they are limited by weapon choice and what is this gold ? try again

    Based on your odd reply, you obviously didn’t read the thread. Also, once again, provide proof that GS needs a rework.

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Kulvar.1239 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    GS is one of the better designed weapon on guardian. All skills are useful in a way or an other.
    But I won't try to explain it to you, because I have the feeling you'll ignore all I could say and just reply "GS don't work"

    You cant tell me how they are useful bc they are not only 3 is useful and maybe 5 the other spells are stupid who the hell will stay in ur 4 or in order to use 2 you need gap close ability if you are chasing someone and do 2 they just need to walk away no even dodge this is how stupid gs 2 is and need to be if its not prove me wrong and tell me how good it is and what are the benefits from all 5 skills :)

    There is ample explanations why GS is well designed. You just choose to ignore it. You also choose to ignore that few month ago, guardian power dps with GS was in a good position, and the changes the occurred since, none of which were to GS, are the reason for the current lack of performance.

    There are good reasons to bark, but you are barking at the wrong tree.

    "There is ample explanations why GS is well designed" im listenig give me examples what you can do in certain situations with every gs spell and how you can beat anything 1v1 :D

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

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    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

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    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    No no, you can’t do that. The burden of proof lies in your court bub. You’re the one making the accusation that Guardian GS is a terrible design. You have to prove that it is first and you have not shown any proof yet. All you have is circumstantial since you claim that there is no Guardian in Plat that uses GS.

    Also, wasn’t last years top 2 players FB Guardians and both used GS? I remember watching a video on it. I’ll post the thread discussion as soon as I find it.

    I did provide plenti evidence you just didnt all the comments

    You have only provided conjecture and opinion. Try again.

    I found the thread but unfortunately the video has bee taken down. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62254/firebrand-solo-roaming-in-wvw#latest. In the thread there was discussion of a PvP tournament. The top 2 were FBs and both used GS in the build.

    That dont prove anything they are limited by weapon choice and what is this gold ? try again

    Based on your odd reply, you obviously didn’t read the thread. Also, once again, provide proof that GS needs a rework.

    Based on your reply i can tell you are not guard player and you dont know how GS work if you were you would know and i already said 1 million times GS 2 its the only dmg we have and its predictable can be out run and dodge the spin is bad when you press 2 and you are in the animation your movement speed is reduce so its easy do out run or just dodge you cant bait dodge bc you dont have any other damage you can do combo with [Judge's Intervention] 36 sec cd(bdw) but thats it GS is bad

  • If you think guardian Gs is that bad, which obviously no other guardian mains think, then start using hammer. And if hammer is bad then just play something else. Maybe warrior since you like arcing slice.

    "All the talent in this world won't take you anywhere without your Teammates
    Trust them, Res them, Support them
    "

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    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    GS is one of the better designed weapon on guardian. All skills are useful in a way or an other.
    But I won't try to explain it to you, because I have the feeling you'll ignore all I could say and just reply "GS don't work"

    You cant tell me how they are useful bc they are not only 3 is useful and maybe 5 the other spells are stupid who the hell will stay in ur 4 or in order to use 2 you need gap close ability if you are chasing someone and do 2 they just need to walk away no even dodge this is how stupid gs 2 is and need to be if its not prove me wrong and tell me how good it is and what are the benefits from all 5 skills :)

    There is ample explanations why GS is well designed. You just choose to ignore it. You also choose to ignore that few month ago, guardian power dps with GS was in a good position, and the changes the occurred since, none of which were to GS, are the reason for the current lack of performance.

    There are good reasons to bark, but you are barking at the wrong tree.

    "There is ample explanations why GS is well designed" im listenig give me examples what you can do in certain situations with every gs spell and how you can beat anything 1v1 :D

    Also, guardian is a +1 and a team fighter class. Just dont go 1v1ing classes like holo, scrapper or boonbeast.

    "All the talent in this world won't take you anywhere without your Teammates
    Trust them, Res them, Support them
    "

  • Diviora.9548Diviora.9548 Member ✭✭

    @Largo Cifer.3495 said:
    If you think guardian Gs is that bad, which obviously no other guardian mains think, then start using hammer. And if hammer is bad then just play something else. Maybe warrior since you like arcing slice.

    Well the gs is bad and ppl pref to play with hammer for 1 shot but got nerf hard so back to gs and i dont want to play warrior i want to play guard :)

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    I would love it if whirling wrath:
    had its projectiles removed
    immediately started doing damage
    showed the channel duration (what is it like 2 sec?)
    radius increase, its 130 lol

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    @Diviora.9548 said:

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    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    GS is one of the better designed weapon on guardian. All skills are useful in a way or an other.
    But I won't try to explain it to you, because I have the feeling you'll ignore all I could say and just reply "GS don't work"

    You cant tell me how they are useful bc they are not only 3 is useful and maybe 5 the other spells are stupid who the hell will stay in ur 4 or in order to use 2 you need gap close ability if you are chasing someone and do 2 they just need to walk away no even dodge this is how stupid gs 2 is and need to be if its not prove me wrong and tell me how good it is and what are the benefits from all 5 skills :)

    There is ample explanations why GS is well designed. You just choose to ignore it. You also choose to ignore that few month ago, guardian power dps with GS was in a good position, and the changes the occurred since, none of which were to GS, are the reason for the current lack of performance.

    There are good reasons to bark, but you are barking at the wrong tree.

    "There is ample explanations why GS is well designed" im listenig give me examples what you can do in certain situations with every gs spell and how you can beat anything 1v1 :D

    Before the nerf to RI, I won most of my 1v1 encounters with all ranger variants. I almost always won against condi mirage (pre-nerf). Almost always against ele and thief. Most the time against necros. 50/50 against rev and holo. Only class I struggled against solo is warrior SB. Heck, I once won solo against one of the highest rated revs playing zeal/valor/radiance.

    Though, I have very surprising news for you (not really if you a semi competent guardian player) Core Guardian using GS is not a build that excels solo. It is meant to be played mid as cleave and point deterrent. It is not a bruiser build and never was. And if you play it as such, you will not do well.

    And I keep repeating this, but one more time won’t hurt. Guardian has significant deficiencies, from outdated designs to unnecessary nerfs to highly outdated weapons. GS was not the issue, is not the issue and buffing will not resolve any issues.

  • Lonewolf Kai.3682Lonewolf Kai.3682 Member ✭✭✭

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

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    @Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

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    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Diviora.9548 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Um, you told me there weren't any guardians above plat 2 (so basically you're lying to us now?) ... but it's irrelevant anyways. A minor deflection from what's meaningful.

    GS2 doesn't need to be insta to give more competitive or faster gameplay nor is it needed counter other specs (whatever that means) ... those aren't problems that need to be solved and GS2 being insta doesn't necessarily solve them, or do it in the best way.

    I told you tell me what are the benefits from all 5 spells in pvp and how they are working perfectly fine and how all 5 spells can beat any other spec give me examples and facts

    My analysis of GS isn't relevant to your suggestion.

    im telling you that gs dont work you are telling me that it is working tell me how

    No, I'm telling you it doesn't work for you. For lots of other people it works just fine. That's a player skill issue, not a weapon design issue.


    So you cant tell me what are the all benefits from all 5 skills bc they suck :D the disign is terrible

    No no, you can’t do that. The burden of proof lies in your court bub. You’re the one making the accusation that Guardian GS is a terrible design. You have to prove that it is first and you have not shown any proof yet. All you have is circumstantial since you claim that there is no Guardian in Plat that uses GS.

    Also, wasn’t last years top 2 players FB Guardians and both used GS? I remember watching a video on it. I’ll post the thread discussion as soon as I find it.

    I did provide plenti evidence you just didnt all the comments

    You have only provided conjecture and opinion. Try again.

    I found the thread but unfortunately the video has bee taken down. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62254/firebrand-solo-roaming-in-wvw#latest. In the thread there was discussion of a PvP tournament. The top 2 were FBs and both used GS in the build.

    That dont prove anything they are limited by weapon choice and what is this gold ? try again

    Based on your odd reply, you obviously didn’t read the thread. Also, once again, provide proof that GS needs a rework.

    Based on your reply i can tell you are not guard player and you dont know how GS work if you were you would know and i already said 1 million times GS 2 its the only dmg we have and its predictable can be out run and dodge the spin is bad when you press 2 and you are in the animation your movement speed is reduce so its easy do out run or just dodge you cant bait dodge bc you dont have any other damage you can do combo with [Judge's Intervention] 36 sec cd(bdw) but thats it GS is bad

    Then you’d be wrong. I currently main a guardian, have played it since release, and have the most played hours on it on my account.

    If you are having that much trouble landing GS2 then I’d suggest you look into a thing called crowd control or CC for short. Based on your reply, you have what I would call a learn to play issue if you can’t pull off most of your GS2 damage.

    If your problem is that guardian GS burst is all on one skill, this isn’t unique. There are several weapons that do this and they also require CC to pull off.

  • InsaneQR.7412InsaneQR.7412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    GS has so many spins to proc burning on judgment passive.
    Its great for PvE dmg. Not all weapons need to be PvP oriented.
    Some have utility. Some give consistent dmg, some give burst and some are control oriented.
    Making all the same isn't really helping diversity.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @InsaneQR.7412 said:
    GS has so many spins to proc burning on judgment passive.
    Its great for PvE dmg. Not all weapons need to be PvP oriented.
    Some have utility. Some give consistent dmg, some give burst and some are control oriented.
    Making all the same isn't really helping diversity.

    Good points here ... in the end it comes down to choice. If the OP wants to experience something that's less like Guardian GS2 and more like Warrior GS2 ... he can ... WITHOUT petitioning Anet to 'fix' it.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

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