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  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Why didn't you just LB 2+4?

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  • HnRkLnXqZ.1870HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    Not so long ago I got 1-shot by a single strike of a meteor-shower cast, ~ 12-15k. The last Arc Divider hit me with almost 18k. I can only imagine how many times I would have died if I was on full zerk.

    I always wondered why GW2 has no overhit mechanic. In Lineage II we had an overhit system for PvE where you got bonus exp, the more damage you dealt beyond the lethal value. Using this mechanic saved me a lot of grinding.

    In GW2, especially in competitive, you could get one of 4 trophies:

    • overhit 10 % = Overkiller copper
    • overhit 50 % = Overkiller silver
    • overhit 70 % = Overkiller gold
    • overhit 100% or more = Overkiller platinum

    The trophies could sell for a few coppers to a few silvers. This could encourage people to save their massive damage attacks as finishers. Or add repeatable achievements which reward karma or badges (e. g. Overkiller silver = overhit 100 players by at least 50 % of the lethal damage).

    Or give us an achievement for doublekilling, causing a lethal strike that has a higher value than the targets max hp. Do it 500 times and you get a title "Doublekiller"?

    WvW is already boring enough. Getting hit by those insane amounts of damage is imho just funny.

  • gateless gate.8406gateless gate.8406 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Also notice the 3000 bleed and 1600 poision tick on that sentry. At about 150 damage per bleed on your average trailblazer condi build that's no less than 20 bleed stacks. So in short, OP is running full cheese condi and still complain about full cheese power.

    Wrong, and missing the point.

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said:
    Not so long ago I got 1-shot by a single strike of a meteor-shower cast, ~ 12-15k. The last Arc Divider hit me with almost 18k. I can only imagine how many times I would have died if I was on full zerk.

    I always wondered why GW2 has no overhit mechanic. In Lineage II we had an overhit system for PvE where you got bonus exp, the more damage you dealt beyond the lethal value. Using this mechanic saved me a lot of grinding.

    In GW2, especially in competitive, you could get one of 4 trophies:

    • overhit 10 % = Overkiller copper
    • overhit 50 % = Overkiller silver
    • overhit 70 % = Overkiller gold
    • overhit 100% or more = Overkiller platinum

    The trophies could sell for a few coppers to a few silvers. This could encourage people to save their massive damage attacks as finishers. Or add repeatable achievements which reward karma or badges (e. g. Overkiller silver = overhit 100 players by at least 50 % of the lethal damage).

    Or give us an achievement for doublekilling, causing a lethal strike that has a higher value than the targets max hp. Do it 500 times and you get a title "Doublekiller"?

    WvW is already boring enough. Getting hit by those insane amounts of damage is imho just funny.

    I assume because it encourages 1 shot builds. People complain about them enough as it is.

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  • So what?
    An anet Dev got one shot by a soulbeast last night on stream, they won't need for the sake of it

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    I think the point is that regardless whether it can be blocked,reflected or dodged no one attack should do close to that this games powercreep is getting ridiculous. Imagine already being engaged with someone and being one shot from a sic em ranger just strolling by,its beyond stupid

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Also notice the 3000 bleed and 1600 poision tick on that sentry. At about 150 damage per bleed on your average trailblazer condi build that's no less than 20 bleed stacks. So in short, OP is running full cheese condi and still complain about full cheese power.

    Wrong, and missing the point.

    ... So what, you're not running a condi build yet can tick condi at 4600 a second?

    It's real simple and I'll spell out the truth of WvW for you: combat isnt as simple as just numbers

    Here's an example of a funny frontloaded berserker that can kill 3 people at once (well, no downed state week had some pros I guess), yet still fail:

  • spectrito.8513spectrito.8513 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Also notice the 3000 bleed and 1600 poision tick on that sentry. At about 150 damage per bleed on your average trailblazer condi build that's no less than 20 bleed stacks. So in short, OP is running full cheese condi and still complain about full cheese power.

    Wrong, and missing the point.

    ... So what, you're not running a condi build yet can tick condi at 4600 a second?

    It's real simple and I'll spell out the truth of WvW for you: combat isnt as simple as just numbers

    Here's an example of a funny frontloaded berserker that can kill 3 people at once (well, no downed state week had some pros I guess), yet still fail:

    Geez not even this can kill scrappers....

    BUFF ARC DIVIDER ANET
    STILL NOT ENOUGH DAMAGE!!!!

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    I think the point is that regardless whether it can be blocked,reflected or dodged no one attack should do close to that this games powercreep is getting ridiculous. Imagine already being engaged with someone and being one shot from a sic em ranger just strolling by,its beyond stupid

    That's what you sign up for though. It's an open zone, everybody can do whatever they want so ganking, as annoying as it is, is to be expected. In the case of Death's Judgment we have a skill that is balanced around having a very obvious tell and sound. It's allowed to deal high damage because getting it to hit somebody isn't guaranteed. We can argue that ranger is sorely lacking that however and I would be inclined to agree. That and the fact their long range attacks can easily be made unblockable.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    I think the point is that regardless whether it can be blocked,reflected or dodged no one attack should do close to that this games powercreep is getting ridiculous. Imagine already being engaged with someone and being one shot from a sic em ranger just strolling by,its beyond stupid

    That's what you sign up for though. It's an open zone, everybody can do whatever they want so ganking, as annoying as it is, is to be expected. In the case of Death's Judgment we have a skill that is balanced around having a very obvious tell and sound. It's allowed to deal high damage because getting it to hit somebody isn't guaranteed. We can argue that ranger is sorely lacking that however and I would be inclined to agree. That and the fact their long range attacks can easily be made unblockable.

    Than why these nerf thief crys over last few yrs?why the dagger dps cries,why the MBS cries? Why the daggerstorm cries. So when its ranger installed deleting people with unblockable sic em rapid fires,or revs super bursts or warrior arc divider is fine. If arenet decides such high burst are unacceptable on low sustain classes yetgives high sustain classes crazy bursts lmao like do they have a clue what thier doing? No class should have a skill even with modifiers that can 1 or 2 shot anyone. Regardless common sense would dictate lower the sustain higher the burst potential for more than obvious reasons but not to arenet dev's

  • melandru.3876melandru.3876 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    @spectrito.8513 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @gateless gate.8406 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Also notice the 3000 bleed and 1600 poision tick on that sentry. At about 150 damage per bleed on your average trailblazer condi build that's no less than 20 bleed stacks. So in short, OP is running full cheese condi and still complain about full cheese power.

    Wrong, and missing the point.

    ... So what, you're not running a condi build yet can tick condi at 4600 a second?

    It's real simple and I'll spell out the truth of WvW for you: combat isnt as simple as just numbers

    Here's an example of a funny frontloaded berserker that can kill 3 people at once (well, no downed state week had some pros I guess), yet still fail:

    Geez not even this can kill scrappers....

    BUFF ARC DIVIDER ANET
    STILL NOT ENOUGH DAMAGE!!!!

    here, same fight but from warrior point of view
    (cut the video after all but scrapper dies, we know hwo that ended..it's not that scrapper isn't ovrttuned as a whole class or something)

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2019

    @Safandula.8723 said:
    Ranger got surprised about being 1 shouted from far away. That's new

    once again, this is not about ranger being +1 shotted. This is about Anet willingfulness to tolerate and to accept this toxic design in the first place.

    For the past 7 years; Anet has refused to resolve this toxicity and now it has run rampant throughout the game and pushing players including new players to flee away from this game.

    (there are many ex-gw2 players joining competitive game than ever before because Anet has done nothing about it)

    Pleas after Pleas by all players alike in hope Anet would at least show care to their concerns about this toxicity; what has Anet done to address their concerns- ignore us!!

    This toxicity among others; are the fuels that will bury the game to the ground

    Many continue to plea to Anet to put and end to this toxicity; and Nothing!~

    In fact; today while playing competitive games; many and many are raising awareness of Gw2 being a +1 shot frenzy and to stay far away from it no matter what. What is worse, which i couldn't even comment- they all blame Anet for putting up with it for so long- after asking for how long this toxicity was present in the game.

    7 years??!! Infact; 8 years +1 shot toxicity has been given the green light to do whatever damages it want to the stability of the game including its players.

    "it's their game; if they wanted to promote the game as competitive, they would've done so. So they don't care about +1 shotting as long players continue to put up with it!'

    Very true! the only way to put an end to this toxicity is for us concern players to leave- that is the only way for Anet to care.

    (Gw2-Ex Players, 'What hurts more than losing you is knowing you're not fighting to keep me')

    have a nice day-

  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This was how fights were like 6 years ago where skills mattered.
    I'm just glad I've retired from roaming B)

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kovu.7560 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    I think the point is that regardless whether it can be blocked,reflected or dodged no one attack should do close to that this games powercreep is getting ridiculous. Imagine already being engaged with someone and being one shot from a sic em ranger just strolling by,its beyond stupid

    That's what you sign up for though. It's an open zone, everybody can do whatever they want so ganking, as annoying as it is, is to be expected. In the case of Death's Judgment we have a skill that is balanced around having a very obvious tell and sound. It's allowed to deal high damage because getting it to hit somebody isn't guaranteed. We can argue that ranger is sorely lacking that however and I would be inclined to agree. That and the fact their long range attacks can easily be made unblockable.

    Than why these nerf thief crys over last few yrs? why the dagger dps cries,why the MBS cries? Why the daggerstorm cries. So when its ranger installed deleting people with unblockable sic em rapid fires,or revs super bursts or warrior arc divider is fine. If arenet decides such high burst are unacceptable on low sustain classes yetgives high sustain classes crazy bursts lmao like do they have a clue what thier doing? No class should have a skill even with modifiers that can 1 or 2 shot anyone. Regardless common sense would dictate lower the sustain higher the burst potential for more than obvious reasons but not to arenet dev's

    Because before PoF ranger damage was laughable and before HoT their sustain was laughable. The core profession is better now than it was at HoT launch and back then they were basically just free bags for thieves, among others. People seem to forget ranger weapons overall have the worst coefficients in the game (supposedly a counterbalance for pet contribution) and the only reason we see obscene numbers from soulbeasts these days is because of the multipliers they introduced to various traitlines along with (and here's the big one) sic 'em.

    Notice how most issues that come up with ranger damage tends to boil down to sic 'em? Perhaps arc divider, among other skills needs a cut to its damage, but ranger skills don't need nerfing, their ability to stack so many damage multipliers does.

    Not everything needs to be nerfed in the same way, and I'd hate to see rapid fire, maul, WI etc. have their damage cut because of a utility skill conjoined with some traits that are overperforming. That just punishes non-soulbeasts, and when's the last time someone whined about a core ranger's damage?

    ~ Kovu

    edit- Oh, and the extra damage rangers get from eating their pet.

    I think everybody knows the issue is sic em and the fact ranger has multiple ways to achieve unblockable with said multipliers. Most people are asking for the unblockable to be shaved a bit as well as the damage multipliers. If the pets kept the 40% from sic em but when merged the multiplier was reduced to 15% people would probably feel it's fine. Is that not more in line with other classes multipliers?

  • Kovu.7560Kovu.7560 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Kovu.7560 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    I think the point is that regardless whether it can be blocked,reflected or dodged no one attack should do close to that this games powercreep is getting ridiculous. Imagine already being engaged with someone and being one shot from a sic em ranger just strolling by,its beyond stupid

    That's what you sign up for though. It's an open zone, everybody can do whatever they want so ganking, as annoying as it is, is to be expected. In the case of Death's Judgment we have a skill that is balanced around having a very obvious tell and sound. It's allowed to deal high damage because getting it to hit somebody isn't guaranteed. We can argue that ranger is sorely lacking that however and I would be inclined to agree. That and the fact their long range attacks can easily be made unblockable.

    Than why these nerf thief crys over last few yrs? why the dagger dps cries,why the MBS cries? Why the daggerstorm cries. So when its ranger installed deleting people with unblockable sic em rapid fires,or revs super bursts or warrior arc divider is fine. If arenet decides such high burst are unacceptable on low sustain classes yetgives high sustain classes crazy bursts lmao like do they have a clue what thier doing? No class should have a skill even with modifiers that can 1 or 2 shot anyone. Regardless common sense would dictate lower the sustain higher the burst potential for more than obvious reasons but not to arenet dev's

    Because before PoF ranger damage was laughable and before HoT their sustain was laughable. The core profession is better now than it was at HoT launch and back then they were basically just free bags for thieves, among others. People seem to forget ranger weapons overall have the worst coefficients in the game (supposedly a counterbalance for pet contribution) and the only reason we see obscene numbers from soulbeasts these days is because of the multipliers they introduced to various traitlines along with (and here's the big one) sic 'em.

    Notice how most issues that come up with ranger damage tends to boil down to sic 'em? Perhaps arc divider, among other skills needs a cut to its damage, but ranger skills don't need nerfing, their ability to stack so many damage multipliers does.

    Not everything needs to be nerfed in the same way, and I'd hate to see rapid fire, maul, WI etc. have their damage cut because of a utility skill conjoined with some traits that are overperforming. That just punishes non-soulbeasts, and when's the last time someone whined about a core ranger's damage?

    ~ Kovu

    edit- Oh, and the extra damage rangers get from eating their pet.

    I think everybody knows the issue is sic em and the fact ranger has multiple ways to achieve unblockable with said multipliers. Most people are asking for the unblockable to be shaved a bit as well as the damage multipliers. If the pets kept the 40% from sic em but when merged the multiplier was reduced to 15% people would probably feel it's fine. Is that not more in line with other classes multipliers?

    Could just remove the 40% damage multiplier facet from sic 'em in general and replace it with 4 seconds of unblockable, and change the merge trait to something else (preferably defensive, like superspeed, a soft cc cleanse or 1 second of invulnerability). Its a pretty one-dimensional trait that's not much of a build investment compared to a utility slot. There are so many blocks and reflects in the game, especially of the AoE variety in zergs that giving the ranger unblockable options shouldn't be an issue -- so long as its a legitimate build investment beyond a minor trait. As for certain utilities, its difficult to balance things that were originally intended to benefit a shotty AI pet to not be too potent for the ranger.

    Anywho, I'm just throwing darts at a board. I suppose my general point was "its not as simple as shaving some damage off arc divider". Don't nerf core ranger stuff.

    ~ Kovu

    Ranger main before it was cool.
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  • TheBravery.9615TheBravery.9615 Member ✭✭✭

    lmao that's nothing

    not saying that this kind of burst damage is acceptable but by today's standard this is nothing special.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    thumbs up for pic. power creep makes pug sad!

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  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:

    I'm just glad I've retired from roaming B)

    Weren't you just in here telling us how much better roaming was with warclaw?

    Umm...I...I...I retire and un-retire regularly :trollface:

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:
    This was how fights were like 6 years ago where skills mattered.
    I'm just glad I've retired from roaming B)

    Fights were more interesting and a heck more fun back in those days before 1shot yolo mechanics came in place with expansion kitten. Was it perfect? Not at all but way more fun.

    Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and own you with experience.
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  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    The point that only I'm entitled to do burst killing. It's a blasphemy if I'm the one being burst killed.

  • @Kovu.7560 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    I think the point is that regardless whether it can be blocked,reflected or dodged no one attack should do close to that this games powercreep is getting ridiculous. Imagine already being engaged with someone and being one shot from a sic em ranger just strolling by,its beyond stupid

    That's what you sign up for though. It's an open zone, everybody can do whatever they want so ganking, as annoying as it is, is to be expected. In the case of Death's Judgment we have a skill that is balanced around having a very obvious tell and sound. It's allowed to deal high damage because getting it to hit somebody isn't guaranteed. We can argue that ranger is sorely lacking that however and I would be inclined to agree. That and the fact their long range attacks can easily be made unblockable.

    Than why these nerf thief crys over last few yrs? why the dagger dps cries,why the MBS cries? Why the daggerstorm cries. So when its ranger installed deleting people with unblockable sic em rapid fires,or revs super bursts or warrior arc divider is fine. If arenet decides such high burst are unacceptable on low sustain classes yetgives high sustain classes crazy bursts lmao like do they have a clue what thier doing? No class should have a skill even with modifiers that can 1 or 2 shot anyone. Regardless common sense would dictate lower the sustain higher the burst potential for more than obvious reasons but not to arenet dev's

    Because before PoF ranger damage was laughable and before HoT their sustain was laughable. The core profession is better now than it was at HoT launch and back then they were basically just free bags for thieves, among others. People seem to forget ranger weapons overall have the worst coefficients in the game (supposedly a counterbalance for pet contribution) and the only reason we see obscene numbers from soulbeasts these days is because of the multipliers they introduced to various traitlines along with (and here's the big one) sic 'em.

    Notice how most issues that come up with ranger damage tends to boil down to sic 'em? Perhaps arc divider, among other skills needs a cut to its damage, but ranger skills don't need nerfing, their ability to stack so many damage multipliers does.

    Not everything needs to be nerfed in the same way, and I'd hate to see rapid fire, maul, WI etc. have their damage cut because of a utility skill conjoined with some traits that are overperforming. That just punishes non-soulbeasts, and when's the last time someone whined about a core ranger's damage?

    ~ Kovu

    edit- Oh, and the extra damage rangers get from eating their pet.

    kitten THANK YOU. Happy to see some other people speaking sense around here.

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  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Is the point that you got hit by a telegraphed shot that can be blocked or reflected?

    I think the point is that regardless whether it can be blocked,reflected or dodged no one attack should do close to that this games powercreep is getting ridiculous. Imagine already being engaged with someone and being one shot from a sic em ranger just strolling by,its beyond stupid

    for Anet isnt stupid at all, it0s their form to try to reward even a player just arrived to the game... player personal skill is a very small factor on the game actually, it is not hard to pew pew from affar some one since target wont even get the arrows rendered in time due how bad netcode deals with all the aoe spam, yet Anet prefers and has been enforcing aoe spam and creating more visual clutter and less stuff rendering rather than improve game quality.

    But focusing only on some high damage skills IMO the only problem with those is that the easy access to damage gimmicks rotations can allow unblockables, some classes can have a quite decent unbllocable uptime that puts their win in very low effort, what do u think im doing with bzerker and arcing slice, to pull off put some stab and healing skill that will heal me the damage taken.. and im just doing half of damage that e see some players doing per arc slice, i haven passed 10k per hit on AS, some playerscan reach 15k-20k per hit with it fully unblockable, on my tanky rev herald heal wont heal me if taking damage from some skills, duno if is bug or not, but feels like something hard coded to happen.

    Why powercreeop will never be tuned nor designed to skilled gameplay, but will get actually inceased in a way or another as in mor eeasy access and easyer(lower effort ) to pull that damage with simplier gimmicks :
    Simple some skills are designed to carry, that's how Anet wants their game to be played, its just who playes the better and faster the high damage rotation.
    It is a game designed to help bad players that need some easy of acces to overperformance.
    reason some specs can get broken damage
    reason some specs can get very spam able builds
    reason why there is so much access to aoe and cleave skills in game, it make more easy to be "carried" with damage ouput rather than know who and why u should hit a target fist, when u can hit both by very hight damage, just play with the most lamer mentality effort u can.

  • Warkind.6745Warkind.6745 Member ✭✭✭

    You forget to slot signet of stone or something?

    All is vain.

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