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Current state of WvW

Ceramix.5419Ceramix.5419 Member

I have seen some good directions for wvw over the past few months, mainly pointing towards community sponsored gvg tournaments. After these developments I was hoping to bring forth a healty discussion about the current state of wvw. Currently there is little point of winning a matchup in wvw, and it has been for quite along time. Server meetings often include if we wanna stay or move from the current tier. The driving force of the decision is if there will be "good fights" in the next weeks matchup. Nearly noone cares about winning, and in my opinion that is a very unhealty development.

The majority of the wvw community as I've seen is mostly focused on fights but currently there is close to no rewards for zerg fighting. It is just one way to keep participation up and a few lootbags (well if you accualy win the fight that is), so if your zerg keep getting wiped the enjoyment hits rock bottom. You could just aswell sit and waste supplies repairing walls in Stonemist castle for participation.

The core of wvw zerg fights are phenomenal compared to other games, the game and servers are handling these massive fights really well, and I feel like there is alot of wasted potential, if there was a proper structure around Zerg v Zerg or GvG. Example a ranked ladder or simular to the pvp browser, would increase the intrest for wvw.

Well thats atleast what im thinking.

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  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    Even with n high end pc with full settings and 130 fps in three-way fights it lags like hell bcz of idk .. too much calculations at a time (gameserver sided) or whatever ^^

  • i have 50v50v50's on 60fps, and comparing it to other games its alot better.

  • @Gemnaid.4219 said:
    It’s a dead game mode. Just accept it.

    dunno about NA, but it doesnt seem dead on EU.

  • RisenHowl.2419RisenHowl.2419 Member ✭✭✭

    30v30v30 battleground would be amazing for gw2

  • displayname.8315displayname.8315 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ceramix.5419 said:
    I feel like there is alot of wasted potential

    The swan song of WvW.

    Like all modern games they saw that cash flow from the microtransactions and realized they could make the money a much easier and cost effective way.

    Think I'll go play candy crush and buy some free skip tokens or whatever.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    Current state of WvW in 1 picture.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @primatos.5413 said:
    Even with n high end pc with full settings and 130 fps in three-way fights it lags like hell bcz of idk .. too much calculations at a time (gameserver sided) or whatever ^^

    Screenshot or didnt happen,
    Doesnt matter how good your pc is, you wont ever have 130 fps in 3 way fullblob fights, even on low settings, the code is too spaghetti.

    I have 130fps with everything on maxed out in an empty zone, as soon as i enter a zone with a few player in it, like LA, my fps drop down massively, to 30-40

  • SoulSin.5682SoulSin.5682 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    FPS issues like happens in EVERY, and I mean, EVERY MMoRPG war game mode.

    Some people complain about lag and slideshowns on zerg fights since the days of Ultima Online. GW2 actually handles it very well.
    If GW2 was as bad as some other games you would need to purchase a last generation i7 overclocked to the limits to run a zerg on minimal settings at 30 FPS.

    "LoL I has PC Master Race Want To Run 130 FPS With 200 Players On Screen".
    Seriously?

  • TinkTinkPOOF.9201TinkTinkPOOF.9201 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ceramix.5419 said:
    i have 50v50v50's on 60fps, and comparing it to other games its alot better.

    Post a video or screen with FPS shown in a 50vs50vs50 fight.

    However, even with great FPS, you can have massive skill lag, which is server side, not client side. I can be at spawn with 140fps, when a massive 3 way fight for SMC is going on and still get skill lag up to 15+ seconds for a single skill to go off.

    "When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @nthmetal.9652 said:

    I guess death truly is only the beginning ...

    If this game's undead it's definitely a sparkle vampire

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @SoulSin.5682 said:

    @RedShark.9548 said:

    @primatos.5413 said:
    Even with n high end pc with full settings and 130 fps in three-way fights it lags like hell bcz of idk .. too much calculations at a time (gameserver sided) or whatever ^^

    Screenshot or didnt happen,
    Doesnt matter how good your pc is, you wont ever have 130 fps in 3 way fullblob fights, even on low settings, the code is too spaghetti.

    I have 130fps with everything on maxed out in an empty zone, as soon as i enter a zone with a few player in it, like LA, my fps drop down massively, to 30-40

    Just like happens in EVERY, and I mean, EVERY MMoRPG war game mode.

    Son, people complain about lag and slideshowns on zerg fights since the days of Ultima Online. GW2 actually handles it very well.
    If GW2 was as bad as some other games you would need to purchase a last generation i7 overclocked to the limits to run a zerg on minimal settings at 30 FPS.

    "LoL I has PC Master Race Want To Run 130 FPS With 200 Players On Screen".
    Seriously?

    What the f do you want from me? I was talking to a person who claimed he has 130 fps in fights. I want proof, because its hard to believe based on my own experience.
    If he really runs with 130fps i want to know how, thats a legit question.
    What do you have to butt in? Get lost.

    I never stated that i had a big problem with the fps drop, did i? And you cant deny that the game HAS to be spaghetti coded with the bugs that occur after almost every patch, the problems they have with implementing the easiest stuff and since its running with the same engine as gw1 did.

  • SoulSin.5682SoulSin.5682 Member ✭✭✭

    >

    I have indeed quoted the wrong person. I don't see the point of being so overly defensive tough. Gonna remove the quote from my original post.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭

    @SoulSin.5682 said:
    FPS issues like happens in EVERY, and I mean, EVERY MMoRPG war game mode.

    Some people complain about lag and slideshowns on zerg fights since the days of Ultima Online. GW2 actually handles it very well.
    If GW2 was as bad as some other games you would need to purchase a last generation i7 overclocked to the limits to run a zerg on minimal settings at 30 FPS.

    "LoL I has PC Master Race Want To Run 130 FPS With 200 Players On Screen".
    Seriously?

    Why do i get more fps in ARK boss fights, which is also an unoptimized game than Gw2 zergfights lol.

  • Straegen.2938Straegen.2938 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2019

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Why do i get more fps in ARK boss fights, which is also an unoptimized game than Gw2 zergfights lol.

    Because PvE doesn't need the same level of accuracy as PvP modes. There is a reason there are so very, very, very few MMOs with an RvR or WvW mode. None of them have action oriented combat and do it better. If it were even remotely easy to build a game mode like this, it would be in other MMOs. As it is, the ones with it all have the same problems or they "cheat" and remove the action or AoE elements.

  • SoulSin.5682SoulSin.5682 Member ✭✭✭

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Why do i get more fps in ARK boss fights, which is also an unoptimized game than Gw2 zergfights lol.

    Because every game under the sun optimize every encounter and map of the game taking control of how much elements can be at your screen at the same time at given times. So your computer never overloads in calculations and starts to drop FPS.

    In an MMoRPG its impossible to control how many players can be at your screen at any given time. Since as long people can access the map we will have more and more players that may or not be in the same spot using skills or not.

    In ARK, as well as any game, there will be just that much elements in the screen for your core processor calculate movements and interactions.
    In GW2 WvW, there can be hundreds of players at the same place at big wars. Your CPU starts to have trouble calculating everything and your FPS drops.

    Thats one of the reasons why a good core processor has always being an important piece of hardware for MMo players. You GPU usually only takes cares of textures and other post processing effects and hardly overloads.
    You CPU tough, is crying bricks in the middle of WvW. Hence the reason that reducing the number of visible players and disabling animations are the best to increase FPS in this game mode.

    Back in the days of Lineage II, Ultima Online, WoW and even GW, it was pretty common for active players of war-style PvP modes (anything that involves a lot of players) to overclock the CPU to increase FPS.

    Some recent Battle Royalle games doesn't suffer from this problem because its rare to have too many players at the same spot in those giant BR maps. Plus squads are small so 99% of the time players are only having small skirmishes. So they don't feel that impact most of the time.

  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SoulSin.5682 said:

    >

    I have indeed quoted the wrong person. I don't see the point of being so overly defensive tough. Gonna remove the quote from my original post.

    Well, sorry, but if i get hit with
    "LoL I has PC Master Race Want To Run 130 FPS With 200 Players On Screen".
    Seriously?"
    For no real reason im going to be a bit defensive...
    Its all good, as you said you didnt mean to quote me but someone else

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2019

    @Ceramix.5419 said:
    I have seen some good directions for wvw over the past few months, mainly pointing towards community sponsored gvg tournaments. After these developments I was hoping to bring forth a healty discussion about the current state of wvw. Currently there is little point of winning a matchup in wvw, and it has been for quite along time. Server meetings often include if we wanna stay or move from the current tier. The driving force of the decision is if there will be "good fights" in the next weeks matchup. Nearly noone cares about winning, and in my opinion that is a very unhealty development.

    The majority of the wvw community as I've seen is mostly focused on fights but currently there is close to no rewards for zerg fighting. It is just one way to keep participation up and a few lootbags (well if you accualy win the fight that is), so if your zerg keep getting wiped the enjoyment hits rock bottom. You could just aswell sit and waste supplies repairing walls in Stonemist castle for participation.

    The core of wvw zerg fights are phenomenal compared to other games, the game and servers are handling these massive fights really well, and I feel like there is alot of wasted potential, if there was a proper structure around Zerg v Zerg or GvG. Example a ranked ladder or simular to the pvp browser, would increase the intrest for wvw.

    Well thats atleast what im thinking.

    You are very confused, saying: "no one cares about winning the matchup, because there is no reward" and then claiming: "everyone only cares about zerg fights, though there is no reward either", so you want more rewards for zerg fights.

    -> if everyone would only look for zerg fights, as you claim, and no one would care about winning the matchup (the major goal of this game mode), the conclusion would be, that Anet should add rewards for winning the matchup and not for zerg fights

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Current state of WvW in 1 picture.

    What is this skill called "screenshot" in the chat? Sounds exiting, how much damage does it make?

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Current state of WvW in 1 picture.

    What is this skill called "screenshot" in the chat? Sounds exiting, how much damage does it make?

    i thought that screen was about the low ranks. so basically saying that there is plenty rather new players while the long time players seems to reduce in numbers.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Garrus.7403Garrus.7403 Member ✭✭✭

    WvW is dead if you compare it to core gw2 or even HoT.

  • Dediggefedde.4961Dediggefedde.4961 Member ✭✭✭

    The comparison is off. Your 4 accessible WvW maps compared to all Tyria maps using the megaserver-system were always orders of magnitude away. Imagine a Megaserver in WvW. Always the fullest map that does not yet has a queue, accross all servers. In addition you get a lot more maps in PvE (Tyria around 50?), compared to the 4 of WvW. You can also go idle much longer and have all other modes and PvE-Branches (Fractals, dungeons, guild events etc) connected to PvE...

    So, comparing PvE with WvW regarding population itself does not make any sense.

    Regarding activity, it depends of course on daytime and server. Doing fractals after midnight usually also has a less filled lfg list. During the bonus-week we had queues on every border every evening for a few hours. Yesterday evening we had queues on 2 borders for an hour.
    And last Sunday we had 27 fights in 2h in addition to capturing objectives.
    In fact, we are trying to increase our guild zerg size to a constant 25 per raid, since most enemy zergs seem to have become larger, too.

    So, regarding my own personal experience, WvW is far from dead.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dediggefedde.4961 said:
    And last Sunday we had 27 fights in 2h in addition to capturing objectives.

    Are you sure it wasnt 26 fights or maybe 28 fights? Just asking because maybe thats the difference between WvW being dead or alive.

  • More people play roblox pizza simulator than gw2 wvw... think about that

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    More people play roblox pizza simulator than gw2 wvw... think about that

    To anyone who's played wvw this wouldbe no surprise lol

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Current state of WvW in 1 picture.

    What is this skill called "screenshot" in the chat? Sounds exiting, how much damage does it make?

    i thought that screen was about the low ranks. so basically saying that there is plenty rather new players while the long time players seems to reduce in numbers.

    I have about 700+ hours in WvW and my rank is that low, guess why i hate the mount unbalance and what i have been doing all those 700 hours. I got 35 of those ranks in the last 2 weeks too btw, while farming tomes of knowledge by capping things.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Current state of WvW in 1 picture.

    What is this skill called "screenshot" in the chat? Sounds exiting, how much damage does it make?

    i thought that screen was about the low ranks. so basically saying that there is plenty rather new players while the long time players seems to reduce in numbers.

    I have about 700+ hours in WvW and my rank is that low, guess why i hate the mount unbalance and what i have been doing all those 700 hours. I got 35 of those ranks in the last 2 weeks too btw, while farming tomes of knowledge by capping things.

    if thats your rank after 700 hours, that indeed explains alot about your threads. at first i thought you just exaggerating or dumb, but it seems you really dont know how to get encounters aside from camping a roadside. the mount has issues but getting encounters is not one of them, use the map and find your prey. and hey you might find fun ways to fight much larger groups without directly attacking them ;)

    as for this thread here, anet tries to sell WvW as a competitive mode with all the scorings, tiers, winning skirmishes and matchups etc. while it gets ruined by population inbalance. so either one needs complex scoring systems that can make the modes competition based on the knowledge that population will be inbalanced or one needs to completly shift the competitive focus of the game, maybe from matches to single encounters wich would make it more akin to an open pvp mode.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    as for this thread here, anet tries to sell WvW as a competitive mode

    No they dont. They've never tried to sell WvW period.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    as for this thread here, anet tries to sell WvW as a competitive mode

    No they dont. They've never tried to sell WvW period.

    yeah thats why WvW achievements are under 'competitive' section and why we have a scoring that adds up towards the end of the week, why we have tiers and even a leaderboard on the frontpage.

    edit: nvm, i should read before i reply :)

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2019

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    as for this thread here, anet tries to sell WvW as a competitive mode with all the scorings, tiers, winning skirmishes and matchups etc. while it gets ruined by population inbalance. so either one needs complex scoring systems that can make the modes competition based on the knowledge that population will be inbalanced or one needs to completly shift the competitive focus of the game, maybe from matches to single encounters wich would make it more akin to an open pvp mode.

    With the full knowledge that they are working on Alliances (supposedly), the problem remains with the +1up +1down system. Last link, for 8 straight weeks, my server placed 2nd in T1 NA. Guess which server we had the joyous privilege of fighting each week? Finally after the relink we dropped down to T2, only to place 1st that week, so guess where we ended up after weekly reset..?

    Seeing 1x T3 Tower, 1x T3 Garri and 1x T3 Keep each defended by 40-50 people who only come out when someone else attacks, mirrored across all maps concurrently, gets old very fast.

    Since there is no reward for winning, why does it matter that we have a server at ranked as #1, or #2, or #5?

    Instead the servers and links should be matched against each other on a rotating bases, working to avoid the same servers meeting up week after week after week.

    When you take (arguably) the 2nd and 3rd best NA servers in the game, and their warscore combined doesn't even equal that of the #1 server, it shows you just how egregious this silly system is. I'm seeing guild mates and guilds leaving the server because while we easily compete in T2, we invariably end up in T1 the following week, and it's just a giant slough dealing with The Server That Shall Not Be Named week in and week out.

  • spectrito.8513spectrito.8513 Member ✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    as for this thread here, anet tries to sell WvW as a competitive mode with all the scorings, tiers, winning skirmishes and matchups etc. while it gets ruined by population inbalance. so either one needs complex scoring systems that can make the modes competition based on the knowledge that population will be inbalanced or one needs to completly shift the competitive focus of the game, maybe from matches to single encounters wich would make it more akin to an open pvp mode.

    With the full knowledge that they are working on Alliances (supposedly), the problem remains with the +1up +1down system. Last link, for 8 straight weeks, my server placed 2nd in T1 NA. Guess which server we had the joyous privilege of fighting each week? Finally after the relink we dropped down to T2, only to place 1st that week, so guess where we ended up after weekly reset..?

    Seeing 1x T3 Tower, 1x T3 Garri and 1x T3 Keep each defended by 40-50 people who only come out when someone else attacks, mirrored across all maps concurrently, gets old very fast.

    Since there is no reward for winning, why does it matter that we have a server at ranked as #1, or #2, or #5?

    Instead the servers and links should be matched against each other on a rotating bases, working to avoid the same servers meeting up week after week after week.

    When you take (arguably) the 2nd and 3rd best NA servers in the game, and their warscore combined doesn't even equal that of the #1 server, it shows you just how egregious this silly system is. I'm seeing guild mates and guilds leaving the server because while we easily compete in T2, we invariably end up in T1 the following week, and it's just a giant slough dealing with The Server That Shall Not Be Named week in and week out.

    TL;DR - its fun to stomp on t2 but its not fun to be stomped on t1

  • Balthazzarr.1349Balthazzarr.1349 Member ✭✭✭

    @primatos.5413 said:
    Even with n high end pc with full settings and 130 fps in three-way fights it lags like hell bcz of idk .. too much calculations at a time (gameserver sided) or whatever ^^

    Sorry but I don’t get all the lag talk. I run on a laptop, ASUS ROG gaming system. 150mbps internet. No lag 99% of the time. Once in a very rare moment I get a bounce here and there.

    Then again I’m in Canada where the internet is clean and fast. 😏

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm also in canada with rogers 300mbps... I logged on monday during prime and was getting skill lag that I never experience on any days other than reset night or massive 3 way smc battles.

    Another derailing post. ^^
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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe the Canadian connection to the US is just in a sorry state.

  • TinkTinkPOOF.9201TinkTinkPOOF.9201 Member ✭✭✭

    @SoulSin.5682 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Why do i get more fps in ARK boss fights, which is also an unoptimized game than Gw2 zergfights lol.

    Because every game under the sun optimize every encounter and map of the game taking control of how much elements can be at your screen at the same time at given times. So your computer never overloads in calculations and starts to drop FPS.

    In an MMoRPG its impossible to control how many players can be at your screen at any given time. Since as long people can access the map we will have more and more players that may or not be in the same spot using skills or not.

    In ARK, as well as any game, there will be just that much elements in the screen for your core processor calculate movements and interactions.
    In GW2 WvW, there can be hundreds of players at the same place at big wars. Your CPU starts to have trouble calculating everything and your FPS drops.

    Thats one of the reasons why a good core processor has always being an important piece of hardware for MMo players. You GPU usually only takes cares of textures and other post processing effects and hardly overloads.
    You CPU tough, is crying bricks in the middle of WvW. Hence the reason that reducing the number of visible players and disabling animations are the best to increase FPS in this game mode.

    Back in the days of Lineage II, Ultima Online, WoW and even GW, it was pretty common for active players of war-style PvP modes (anything that involves a lot of players) to overclock the CPU to increase FPS.

    Some recent Battle Royalle games doesn't suffer from this problem because its rare to have too many players at the same spot in those giant BR maps. Plus squads are small so 99% of the time players are only having small skirmishes. So they don't feel that impact most of the time.

    Nothing here is correct.

    ARK is a mess as far as actual optimizations go, they are also huge maps with lots of PvE and PvP going on at all times.
    A single map of ARK could be the size of all 3 BL's and EBG together with even more players, and no, there is nothing optimized about each encounter, as it's up to players. This is not a linear console single player game. The biggest reason it does better even with horrible optimization is that it's based on Unreal Engine 4, where GW2 is based on a very old game engine used for GW1 that is based on the DX9 API. DX 9 was released in 2002 for windows 98 and XP, let that sink in....

    DX10 was out long before development of GW2 even started, and DX10 was end of life when GW2 was released and by that time DX11 was only a year out from being end of life as well with DX12 right around the corner. However, GW2 was also aimed at a console port, and xbox at the time used a modified version of DX9, it seems later this project was scrapped however.

    Yes, it is possible to control how many players are shown on your screen at one time in a MMO, it's called map caps for one, and culling for second, you must be new to the game and not remember when it didn't have settings in the graphics window for culling levels.

    The CPU is not crying in WvW, or any area in GW2 actually, the CPU is actually going "thats all you got?", because the rendering pipeline is single threaded in DX9 and as such, even when your screen is full and FPS are tanking, your CPU is probably under half load, mine a 5Ghz 9900k sits around 20%. DX10 and DX11 are also not very good at multi threading but do much better than DX9 did, DX12 is the night and day change with multithreading, where WoW saw 25-30% FPS gains on even lowend CPUs, at that point the game was able to make use of the other threads and moved the bottleneck more to the GPU.

    GW2 is not a demanding game, its a game that can't make use of 80% of the resources most computers have, because its based on a D3D API released when the highend CPU of the day was a single core (Pentium 4) 2Ghz CPU.

    However FPS is only part of the problem, and with a powerful enough setup, can "get by" in most areas, however there is nothing a player can do about server and skill lag, which are the real evils in WvW.

    "When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Current state of WvW in 1 picture.

    What is this skill called "screenshot" in the chat? Sounds exiting, how much damage does it make?

    i thought that screen was about the low ranks. so basically saying that there is plenty rather new players while the long time players seems to reduce in numbers.

    I have about 700+ hours in WvW and my rank is that low, guess why i hate the mount unbalance and what i have been doing all those 700 hours. I got 35 of those ranks in the last 2 weeks too btw, while farming tomes of knowledge by capping things.

    if thats your rank after 700 hours, that indeed explains alot about your threads. at first i thought you just exaggerating or dumb, but it seems you really dont know how to get encounters aside from camping a roadside. the mount has issues but getting encounters is not one of them, use the map and find your prey. and hey you might find fun ways to fight much larger groups without directly attacking them ;)

    as for this thread here, anet tries to sell WvW as a competitive mode with all the scorings, tiers, winning skirmishes and matchups etc. while it gets ruined by population inbalance. so either one needs complex scoring systems that can make the modes competition based on the knowledge that population will be inbalanced or one needs to completly shift the competitive focus of the game, maybe from matches to single encounters wich would make it more akin to an open pvp mode.

    I ran around before though, not camp a camp or something. I just ran in a big circle around the whole map and repeat. It is quite impossible when i roam on my weaver and get less than 5 fights in 2 hours.

    I like to roam around in the open while right now i am actually forced to camp a camp or something to even get a fight on my nonranger. The game is just very frustrating as is right now, just countless toxic situations that make zero sense for a PvP mode like the one in the screenshot where i introduce my friend to the game and got them their gear, they get excited they did 50% of a mounts HP then realise it is BS balance and get really turned off by the mode. It just makes zero sense, especially to any PvP player that hasn't played this game like my friend, but then i get told "ThIs Is Gw2 nOt OtHeR gAmEs", but i am talking common sense in game-design here. Like how does any PvP dev justify this mechanic.

    Also like i said i got 30 of those levels recently while ktraining for tomes of knowledge lol, and 20 ish before that must also be from warclaw day.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @Anput.4620 said:
    It is quite impossible when i roam on my weaver and get less than 5 fights in 2 hours.

    Then dont roam on your obviously meh weaver. We're not forcing you. Anet isnt forcing you. Class selection in the menu isnt there for just fluff. Weaver wasnt even a particularly good roamer before the mounts.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nice to have good pc. Many say half the battle is build but I say 1/3 of the battle is good pc.

    Founder & Leader of Equinox Solstice [TIME], a Singapore-Based International PvX Guild
    Henge of Denravi Server
    www.gw2time.com

    --

    Explanations of WvW Structures & Populations Issues

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    Current state of WvW in 1 picture.

    What is this skill called "screenshot" in the chat? Sounds exiting, how much damage does it make?

    i thought that screen was about the low ranks. so basically saying that there is plenty rather new players while the long time players seems to reduce in numbers.

    I have about 700+ hours in WvW and my rank is that low, guess why i hate the mount unbalance and what i have been doing all those 700 hours. I got 35 of those ranks in the last 2 weeks too btw, while farming tomes of knowledge by capping things.

    if thats your rank after 700 hours, that indeed explains alot about your threads. at first i thought you just exaggerating or dumb, but it seems you really dont know how to get encounters aside from camping a roadside. the mount has issues but getting encounters is not one of them, use the map and find your prey. and hey you might find fun ways to fight much larger groups without directly attacking them ;)

    as for this thread here, anet tries to sell WvW as a competitive mode with all the scorings, tiers, winning skirmishes and matchups etc. while it gets ruined by population inbalance. so either one needs complex scoring systems that can make the modes competition based on the knowledge that population will be inbalanced or one needs to completly shift the competitive focus of the game, maybe from matches to single encounters wich would make it more akin to an open pvp mode.

    I ran around before though, not camp a camp or something. I just ran in a big circle around the whole map and repeat. It is quite impossible when i roam on my weaver and get less than 5 fights in 2 hours.

    but you are not to just run big circles, attack camps that are being protected because they deliver supplies to something that someone wants to upgrade (when stuff is t3 people dont care as much about it anymore) or use the map to locate your opponents, predict their next movements and hunt them down.

    I like to roam around in the open while right now i am actually forced to camp a camp or something to even get a fight on my nonranger. The game is just very frustrating as is right now, just countless toxic situations that make zero sense for a PvP mode like the one in the screenshot where i introduce my friend to the game and got them their gear, they get excited they did 50% of a mounts HP then realise it is BS balance and get really turned off by the mode. It just makes zero sense, especially to any PvP player that hasn't played this game like my friend, but then i get told "ThIs Is Gw2 nOt OtHeR gAmEs", but i am talking common sense in game-design here. Like how does any PvP dev justify this mechanic.

    the problem is that you see WvW as open world pvp wich it is not. its is pvp on a large map but not open world and killing players was not the primary objective in the mode. right now if the maps were full 24/7, then killing players would contribute most to the warscore but it only does so for maybe 2 skirmishes a day and 10 are decided by controlling the map, with 8h skirmishes it might even be that no skirmish will be decided by kills again. once you see killing an opponent as only one of multiple ways to fight them in the match, you will get into much more encounters as you dont just blindly chase every opponent, you basically will naturally run into them.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Slick.7164Slick.7164 Member ✭✭

    Anet should stack Blackgate a little tighter and give them two more links. Would free up the other tiers and let anet and their cronies go head bash some walls or build more siege in smc.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭

    One blob to rule them all. It's boring as kitten since Anet just kitten wall refuses to do something about blobbing.

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    but you are not to just run big circles, attack camps that are being protected because they deliver supplies to something that someone wants to upgrade (when stuff is t3 people dont care as much about it anymore) or use the map to locate your opponents, predict their next movements and hunt them down.

    Poeple don't protect camps at all, even if i predict their movements it is impossible to dismount on most builds.

    the problem is that you see WvW as open world pvp wich it is not. its is pvp on a large map but not open world and killing players was not the primary objective in the mode. right now if the maps were full 24/7, then killing players would contribute most to the warscore but it only does so for maybe 2 skirmishes a day and 10 are decided by controlling the map, with 8h skirmishes it might even be that no skirmish will be decided by kills again. once you see killing an opponent as only one of multiple ways to fight them in the match, you will get into much more encounters as you dont just blindly chase every opponent, you basically will naturally run into them.

    Howeso is it not open world? It is a persistant non-instanced map which you can freely join and leave. That is the definition of an open world map, just like how survival game maps are open world.

    What is wrong with just wanting to play for the PvP? Your objective argument doesn't matter because WvW is a mode where the objective is worth as much as the player thinks it is, in SPvP you can't just run from the objective and go somewhere else, neither can you in a MOBA, you have to defend your lane. But in this game poeple will just go to another camp if they don't want to fight, this whole objectives matter so go find PvP there doesn't work when to those poeple objectives literally don't matter. Why destroy a playstyle many enjoyed for 6 years? What's the problem here when it is valid PvP? The mount only promotes passive play, non-interaction and cheese, it's overall implementation is objectively bad game-design and balance.

    Killing players is never the main objective in every objective-based PvP game but do you really think poeple play MOBA's for the PvE? They want to make some kills and have cool teamfights. We all know that the only poeple that focus on the "objectives" do it for the PPT and not because they care so much.

    Even if i do the taking camps thing, that nets me the less than 5 fights in 3 hours on for example my ele, like i told you.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Anput.4620 said:
    -snip-

    well you are the one not getting fights, i get more fight than you in bottom tier server even at offhours.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2019

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    yeah thats why WvW achievements are under 'competitive' section

    Not sure about that part. The section 'competitve' also includes things like "Belcher's Bluff" and "Crab Toss".

    Maybe Anet wants to look WvW like this then ;) (I like the part at 0:35 were theyre drinking while some siege golems pass along xD)

    PS: yes there are leaderboards and victory points, but they also punish good servers with bad links or unlinking. And bad servers are pushed with good links. Balance is bad, lags are huge, no skill-based server-making just open world, no fixed team sizes, lots of non-competitive elements there.

  • Mokk.2397Mokk.2397 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Maybe the Canadian connection to the US is just in a sorry state.

    Much of Canadian internet is worse than some third world countries. I f I happen to go to tier 2 let alone tier 1 I may as well take the week off.

  • alain.1659alain.1659 Member ✭✭✭

    Current state of wvw:

    Ranger- Another one bites the dust
    Necromancer- Thriller
    Thief- You can't touch this
    Engineer- Heat of the Moment
    Guardian- Dies Irae
    Mesmer- Dead or Alive
    Revenant- Hungry like the wolf
    Warrior- Eye of the Tiger
    Elementalist- Sound of Silence

  • Anput.4620Anput.4620 Member ✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Anput.4620 said:
    -snip-

    well you are the one not getting fights, i get more fight than you in bottom tier server even at offhours.

    I run around on my sword weaver for hours and get barely anything unless i get the jump on someone taking a close camp :/

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