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  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

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    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Np. I mentioned many times alrdy . Enter rampage mode on warrior, see 20.000 hp boost. Log on engi ,do the same :)

    I edited my post as you posted...

    Ill add questions to this post but... Can you explain why my toughness is greatly boosted in Rampage mode with Berserk active?

    I thought Berserk mode was meant to have lower toughness values?

    No idea what your traits are tbh... With rampage +eternal champion + fatal frenzy my armor doesnt increased at all... what are your trait lines?

    I think that was Defense/discipline... 700 toughness gain seems a bit much for thick skin though.

    Was toying with Arc Divider under permanent quickness at the time.

    I cant reproduce this. What the hell are you running there... Probably some trait combination broke it...
    You dont have any retal...

    Yea if I had retal it would boost my armor more from spiked armor or what ever its called.

    Here are traits..
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQBYJLwe3sh2TLyAYqFAUqBpuUAA

    Magic!!!! Its gives 1k toughness !
    Lets remove traits 1 by 1 to figure out which one gives that,simple,no ?

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Np. I mentioned many times alrdy . Enter rampage mode on warrior, see 20.000 hp boost. Log on engi ,do the same :)

    I edited my post as you posted...

    Ill add questions to this post but... Can you explain why my toughness is greatly boosted in Rampage mode with Berserk active?

    I thought Berserk mode was meant to have lower toughness values?

    No idea what your traits are tbh... With rampage +eternal champion + fatal frenzy my armor doesnt increased at all... what are your trait lines?

    I think that was Defense/discipline... 700 toughness gain seems a bit much for thick skin though.

    Was toying with Arc Divider under permanent quickness at the time.

    I cant reproduce this. What the hell are you running there... Probably some trait combination broke it...
    You dont have any retal...

    Yea if I had retal it would boost my armor more from spiked armor or what ever its called.

    Here are traits..
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQBYJLwe3sh2TLyAYqFAUqBpuUAA

    Magic!!!! Its gives 1k toughness !
    Lets remove traits 1 by 1 to figure out which one gives that,simple,no ?

    So you got the extra toughness now?
    May take you a while to work out which trait is breaking it though.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
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  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Np. I mentioned many times alrdy . Enter rampage mode on warrior, see 20.000 hp boost. Log on engi ,do the same :)

    I edited my post as you posted...

    Ill add questions to this post but... Can you explain why my toughness is greatly boosted in Rampage mode with Berserk active?

    I thought Berserk mode was meant to have lower toughness values?

    No idea what your traits are tbh... With rampage +eternal champion + fatal frenzy my armor doesnt increased at all... what are your trait lines?

    I think that was Defense/discipline... 700 toughness gain seems a bit much for thick skin though.

    Was toying with Arc Divider under permanent quickness at the time.

    I cant reproduce this. What the hell are you running there... Probably some trait combination broke it...
    You dont have any retal...

    Yea if I had retal it would boost my armor more from spiked armor or what ever its called.

    Here are traits..
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQBYJLwe3sh2TLyAYqFAUqBpuUAA

    Magic!!!! Its gives 1k toughness !
    Lets remove traits 1 by 1 to figure out which one gives that,simple,no ?

    So you got the extra toughness now?
    May take you a while to work out which trait is breaking it though.

    Okay, I think I figured out... berserk elite spec + rampage = bonus 1k toughness... ?
    Yes literally traitless berserk elite spec, used berserk mode + rampage = 1k toughness. Super armored berserk mode on top of 25% reduction :cry:

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Np. I mentioned many times alrdy . Enter rampage mode on warrior, see 20.000 hp boost. Log on engi ,do the same :)

    I edited my post as you posted...

    Ill add questions to this post but... Can you explain why my toughness is greatly boosted in Rampage mode with Berserk active?

    I thought Berserk mode was meant to have lower toughness values?

    No idea what your traits are tbh... With rampage +eternal champion + fatal frenzy my armor doesnt increased at all... what are your trait lines?

    I think that was Defense/discipline... 700 toughness gain seems a bit much for thick skin though.

    Was toying with Arc Divider under permanent quickness at the time.

    I cant reproduce this. What the hell are you running there... Probably some trait combination broke it...
    You dont have any retal...

    Yea if I had retal it would boost my armor more from spiked armor or what ever its called.

    Here are traits..
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQBYJLwe3sh2TLyAYqFAUqBpuUAA

    Magic!!!! Its gives 1k toughness !
    Lets remove traits 1 by 1 to figure out which one gives that,simple,no ?

    So you got the extra toughness now?
    May take you a while to work out which trait is breaking it though.

    Okay, I think I figured out... berserk elite spec + rampage = bonus 1k toughness... ?
    Yes literally traitless berserk elite spec, used berserk mode + rampage = 1k toughness. Super armored berserk mode on top of 25% reduction :cry:

    That has to be a bug lol
    Now lets make it a strength build hehehe

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Have fun if you would be able to pull it off. Biggest concer was triple AD.
    I actually had a lot of screenshots but deleted but on berserk elite rework I got GS3'd for 25k... only from it... so ye, ppl had fun :D

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Have fun if you would be able to pull it off. Biggest concer was triple AD.
    I actually had a lot of screenshots but deleted but on berserk elite rework I got GS3'd for 25k... only from it... so ye, ppl had fun :D

    Now try adding power via might through that rampage...

    I know you said that a trait gives 300 power in berserk mode but I had 12 stacks of might in Berserk mode and it was still the same as non berserk mode at 2 stacks of might.

    That doesnt add up either, the 300 extra power should have been applied to my Rampage while in berserk mode. Instead I lost 300 power.

    If you look at the 2 screens again..
    2 stacks of might without berserker mode = 2446 power
    12 stacks of might with Berserk active which should add another 300 power is still = 2446 power.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Have fun if you would be able to pull it off. Biggest concer was triple AD.
    I actually had a lot of screenshots but deleted but on berserk elite rework I got GS3'd for 25k... only from it... so ye, ppl had fun :D

    Now try adding power via might through that rampage...

    I know you said that a trait gives 300 power in berserk mode but I had 12 stacks of might in Berserk mode and it was still the same as non berserk mode at 2 stacks of might.

    That doesnt add up either, the 300 extra power should have been applied to my Rampage while in berserk mode. Instead I lost 300 power.

    What ... ? I was actually at spellbreaker when I tested my rampage. Give me a moment o_O
    I dont know dude, its working for me...
    Look at your screenshot, you have NON BERSERK MODE 12 might - same power as BERSERK MODE RAMPAGE 2 MIGHTS (10 mights less which is 300 power,but trait gives you extra 300 power to compensate ,so you have equal might in these cases)

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Have fun if you would be able to pull it off. Biggest concer was triple AD.
    I actually had a lot of screenshots but deleted but on berserk elite rework I got GS3'd for 25k... only from it... so ye, ppl had fun :D

    Now try adding power via might through that rampage...

    I know you said that a trait gives 300 power in berserk mode but I had 12 stacks of might in Berserk mode and it was still the same as non berserk mode at 2 stacks of might.

    That doesnt add up either, the 300 extra power should have been applied to my Rampage while in berserk mode. Instead I lost 300 power.

    What ... ? I was actually at spellbreaker when I tested my rampage. Give me a moment o_O

    I think youll see that if you prestack might then use berserker rampage, your power levels drop drastically.

    Its almost as if 2446 is the default.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
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  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Have fun if you would be able to pull it off. Biggest concer was triple AD.
    I actually had a lot of screenshots but deleted but on berserk elite rework I got GS3'd for 25k... only from it... so ye, ppl had fun :D

    Now try adding power via might through that rampage...

    I know you said that a trait gives 300 power in berserk mode but I had 12 stacks of might in Berserk mode and it was still the same as non berserk mode at 2 stacks of might.

    That doesnt add up either, the 300 extra power should have been applied to my Rampage while in berserk mode. Instead I lost 300 power.

    What ... ? I was actually at spellbreaker when I tested my rampage. Give me a moment o_O

    I think youll see that if you prestack might then use berserker rampage, your power levels drop drastically.

    Its almost as if 2446 is the default.

    Read my previous post. My mights doesnt drop, when I pop rampage I got 100 more, probably because I run strenght, my power doesnt drop at all
    start from 2345 ->3125. Used frenzy utility,BERSERK MODE and RAMPAGE. Even without strenght...
    Mate you derail hard, private messages plx. xD

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Have fun if you would be able to pull it off. Biggest concer was triple AD.
    I actually had a lot of screenshots but deleted but on berserk elite rework I got GS3'd for 25k... only from it... so ye, ppl had fun :D

    Now try adding power via might through that rampage...

    I know you said that a trait gives 300 power in berserk mode but I had 12 stacks of might in Berserk mode and it was still the same as non berserk mode at 2 stacks of might.

    That doesnt add up either, the 300 extra power should have been applied to my Rampage while in berserk mode. Instead I lost 300 power.

    What ... ? I was actually at spellbreaker when I tested my rampage. Give me a moment o_O

    I think youll see that if you prestack might then use berserker rampage, your power levels drop drastically.

    Its almost as if 2446 is the default.

    Read my previous post. My mights doesnt drop, when I pop rampage I got 100 more, probably because I run strenght, my power doesnt drop at all
    start from 2345 ->3125. Used frenzy utility,BERSERK MODE and RAMPAGE. Even without strenght...
    Mate you derail hard, private messages plx. xD

    It might be a derailment but we've hashed out 2 bugs.

    1. 2 stacks of might in rampage should be a lot less power than 12 stacks of might in rampage with berserker active. Not the same. Theres 600 power missing.
    2. Berserk spec gives rampage a free boost in toughness.

    No need for private messages due to our conclusion but maybe these bugs need to be posted in the Warrior subforum.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    Oh my gosh dude....
    Rampage without berserk mode 2 mights -> 2765
    Rampage with berserk 12 mights -> 3125
    Want screenshots...?
    You are confused in your own screenshots.
    You have 12 mights WITHOUT FRENZY (without trait 300 power) SAME POWER as
    2 might WITH FRENZY (300 power compensated from the trait so you have exact same power because trait back it up)

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Oh my gosh dude....
    Rampage without berserk mode 2 mights -> 2765
    Rampage with berserk 12 mights -> 3125
    Want screenshots...?

    I already gave screen shots.
    I believe your spellbreaker is doing as you describe.

    It shows it clearly that 2 stacks of might in rampage is 2446 power and that 12 stacks of might with berserk active for another 300 power is still 2446 power.

    You can see for yourself in the screen shots lol

    2 stacks of might is the same as 12 stacks of might in berserk mode which should grant another 300 power. Its like you think that im saying the opposite lol

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Oh my gosh dude....
    Rampage without berserk mode 2 mights -> 2765
    Rampage with berserk 12 mights -> 3125
    Want screenshots...?

    I already gave screen shots.
    I believe your spellbreaker is doing as you describe.

    It shows it clearly that 2 stacks of might in rampage is 2446 power and that 12 stacks of might with berserk active for another 300 power is still 2446 power.

    You can see for yourself in the screen shots lol

    Oh.... wait...now im totally confused... Testing again...
    Ou yes... I'm not getting 300 power... from the trait in rampage...and might not working?
    Okay thats related to weird intrection between rampage + berserk mode. You are right to report it then xD
    While you being there ask them to fix rush and dagger leaps xD

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Oh my gosh dude....
    Rampage without berserk mode 2 mights -> 2765
    Rampage with berserk 12 mights -> 3125
    Want screenshots...?

    I already gave screen shots.
    I believe your spellbreaker is doing as you describe.

    It shows it clearly that 2 stacks of might in rampage is 2446 power and that 12 stacks of might with berserk active for another 300 power is still 2446 power.

    You can see for yourself in the screen shots lol

    Oh.... wait...now im totally confused... Testing again...
    Ou yes... I'm not getting 300 power... from the trait in rampage?

    Pretty much.

    Im going to make a video tomorrow though and post in war sub forum... its hard to show via pics but going berserk mode into rampage resets my might to 2446.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Oh my gosh dude....
    Rampage without berserk mode 2 mights -> 2765
    Rampage with berserk 12 mights -> 3125
    Want screenshots...?

    I already gave screen shots.
    I believe your spellbreaker is doing as you describe.

    It shows it clearly that 2 stacks of might in rampage is 2446 power and that 12 stacks of might with berserk active for another 300 power is still 2446 power.

    You can see for yourself in the screen shots lol

    Oh.... wait...now im totally confused... Testing again...
    Ou yes... I'm not getting 300 power... from the trait in rampage?

    Pretty much.

    Im going to make a video tomorrow though and post in war sub forum... its hard to show via pics but going berserk mode into rampage resets my might to 2446.

    Might even have another pic that could help clarify as I took heaps to compare stats that day.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    Oh my gosh dude....
    Rampage without berserk mode 2 mights -> 2765
    Rampage with berserk 12 mights -> 3125
    Want screenshots...?

    I already gave screen shots.
    I believe your spellbreaker is doing as you describe.

    It shows it clearly that 2 stacks of might in rampage is 2446 power and that 12 stacks of might with berserk active for another 300 power is still 2446 power.

    You can see for yourself in the screen shots lol

    Oh.... wait...now im totally confused... Testing again...
    Ou yes... I'm not getting 300 power... from the trait in rampage...and might not working?
    Okay thats related to weird intrection between rampage + berserk mode. You are right to report it then xD
    While you being there ask them to fix rush and dagger leaps xD

    you edited after I posted but yea you can see that now.

    Also apologies for the derailment, this conversation was very intriguing and fluent. Felt good to accidentally find these bugs though.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭

    Congratulations on finding bugs :)

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:
    The average game lasts ~11 minutes.

    That means a warrior can use his rampage skill just eight times per game if you use it when it's immediately off cooldown, which nobody does. It's not hard to make a rampage irrelevant, although it nearly always forces a decap.

    I see room for a damage nerf of about 15 percent, but not much more. I also fail to see how EIGHT skill uses in one game is spam. Mesmers and engineers can use eight skills in one second.

    As it pertains to PLB, who cares that the unblockable skill with a MASSIVE wind-up is 60 seconds. It means in a game, it can be used 11 times. If you can't dodge a skill like that, try a new game.

    Pretty funny to hear from someone who never play the game anymore after s5, cant dodge PBL ?:D
    Its so hard to land when you have mesmer elite on 32s cd as toolbelt, I supposed to read his mind for when that comes out !
    If you read my first post I said they should bring other elites on their power level and cooldowns. Many elites sucks hard but they are on 3 minute cooldown.
    15% damage nerf wont do s**t to it and still will thrump you into dirt

    I haven't played for leaderboard 'glory' since S5, but I still play the game actively, and with some of the best remaining players, too. I also was not suggesting I can't dodge PLB (not PBL....) I was saying those who can't should practice a bit harder.

    15% dmg nerf is more than you think it is. There's a reason folks like you aren't in charge of balance.

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:
    The average game lasts ~11 minutes.

    That means a warrior can use his rampage skill just eight times per game

    So it's going to be up basically every time you enter a 1v1 on a 1v1 spec. That's SOOOOOO restrictive and limiting.

    Wow, entering a 1v1 with a fresh bar. Very OP. Much wow. It's almost like that's how the game should be. The people who use their skills better will win.

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:
    I also fail to see how EIGHT skill uses in one game is spam.

    cuz in most cases its a guaranteed kill?

    Is it? Not in higher tiers of PvP. There are so many counters to rampage it's not funny.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:
    The average game lasts ~11 minutes.

    That means a warrior can use his rampage skill just eight times per game if you use it when it's immediately off cooldown, which nobody does. It's not hard to make a rampage irrelevant, although it nearly always forces a decap.

    I see room for a damage nerf of about 15 percent, but not much more. I also fail to see how EIGHT skill uses in one game is spam. Mesmers and engineers can use eight skills in one second.

    As it pertains to PLB, who cares that the unblockable skill with a MASSIVE wind-up is 60 seconds. It means in a game, it can be used 11 times. If you can't dodge a skill like that, try a new game.

    Pretty funny to hear from someone who never play the game anymore after s5, cant dodge PBL ?:D
    Its so hard to land when you have mesmer elite on 32s cd as toolbelt, I supposed to read his mind for when that comes out !
    If you read my first post I said they should bring other elites on their power level and cooldowns. Many elites sucks hard but they are on 3 minute cooldown.
    15% damage nerf wont do s**t to it and still will thrump you into dirt

    I haven't played for leaderboard 'glory' since S5, but I still play the game actively, and with some of the best remaining players, too. I also was not suggesting I can't dodge PLB (not PBL....) I was saying those who can't should practice a bit harder.

    I cant dodge PLB coming from 6s stealth,thats what I said, if I would see he actually charge it I would dodge but aside that on holosmith literally every skill worth a dodge

    15% dmg nerf is more than you think it is. There's a reason folks like you aren't in charge of balance.

    15%? How about 50%? They actually might do that, they got used to that alrdy. Want to see that happen with rampage too. Or remove bonus health completely. So you can do big damage but had risk, as its now, zero at all.
    Ironically, they dont have a balance team. Not like you would ever make there either :joy:

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:
    The average game lasts ~11 minutes.

    That means a warrior can use his rampage skill just eight times per game if you use it when it's immediately off cooldown, which nobody does. It's not hard to make a rampage irrelevant, although it nearly always forces a decap.

    I see room for a damage nerf of about 15 percent, but not much more. I also fail to see how EIGHT skill uses in one game is spam. Mesmers and engineers can use eight skills in one second.

    As it pertains to PLB, who cares that the unblockable skill with a MASSIVE wind-up is 60 seconds. It means in a game, it can be used 11 times. If you can't dodge a skill like that, try a new game.

    Pretty funny to hear from someone who never play the game anymore after s5, cant dodge PBL ?:D
    Its so hard to land when you have mesmer elite on 32s cd as toolbelt, I supposed to read his mind for when that comes out !
    If you read my first post I said they should bring other elites on their power level and cooldowns. Many elites sucks hard but they are on 3 minute cooldown.
    15% damage nerf wont do s**t to it and still will thrump you into dirt

    I haven't played for leaderboard 'glory' since S5, but I still play the game actively, and with some of the best remaining players, too. I also was not suggesting I can't dodge PLB (not PBL....) I was saying those who can't should practice a bit harder.

    I cant dodge PBL coming from 6s stealth,thats what I said, if I would see he actually charge it I would dodge but aside that on holosmith literally every skill worth a dodge

    15% dmg nerf is more than you think it is. There's a reason folks like you aren't in charge of balance.

    15%? How about 50%? They actually might do that, they got used to that alrdy. Want to see that happen with rampage too. Or remove bonus health completely. So you can do big damage but had risk, as its now, zero at all.
    Ironically, they dont have a balance team. Not like you would ever make there either :joy:

    I wouldn't apply for it. It's a thankless job. Balance is better now than it has been in a long time.

    If you want me to understand what you're saying, perhaps use punctuation and spell things correctly.

    A side note: There are three "must evade" skills for holo. The Corona Burst which gives stability -- note: you must dodge the second burst, too. This can be blocked, ranged or evaded. Last, you must dodge or range Prime Light Beam. Which isn't difficult. Most engineers will not use stealth to set it up, as with only one source of stealth, it's typically a reserve for escape.

    I could go on for must evade skills for warrior, but I fear you're a bit too blind in your mission to complain about skills that most folks know how to deal with.

    A final note: I'm not in opposition to balance in the form of tuning, nor am I opposed to bringing elites like Lich into line with commonly used elites to improve build diversity. I'm just opposed to people who talk about things without taking time to learn how to counter them.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Mbelch.9028 said:
    The average game lasts ~11 minutes.

    That means a warrior can use his rampage skill just eight times per game if you use it when it's immediately off cooldown, which nobody does. It's not hard to make a rampage irrelevant, although it nearly always forces a decap.

    I see room for a damage nerf of about 15 percent, but not much more. I also fail to see how EIGHT skill uses in one game is spam. Mesmers and engineers can use eight skills in one second.

    As it pertains to PLB, who cares that the unblockable skill with a MASSIVE wind-up is 60 seconds. It means in a game, it can be used 11 times. If you can't dodge a skill like that, try a new game.

    Pretty funny to hear from someone who never play the game anymore after s5, cant dodge PBL ?:D
    Its so hard to land when you have mesmer elite on 32s cd as toolbelt, I supposed to read his mind for when that comes out !
    If you read my first post I said they should bring other elites on their power level and cooldowns. Many elites sucks hard but they are on 3 minute cooldown.
    15% damage nerf wont do s**t to it and still will thrump you into dirt

    I haven't played for leaderboard 'glory' since S5, but I still play the game actively, and with some of the best remaining players, too. I also was not suggesting I can't dodge PLB (not PBL....) I was saying those who can't should practice a bit harder.

    I cant dodge PBL coming from 6s stealth,thats what I said, if I would see he actually charge it I would dodge but aside that on holosmith literally every skill worth a dodge

    15% dmg nerf is more than you think it is. There's a reason folks like you aren't in charge of balance.

    15%? How about 50%? They actually might do that, they got used to that alrdy. Want to see that happen with rampage too. Or remove bonus health completely. So you can do big damage but had risk, as its now, zero at all.
    Ironically, they dont have a balance team. Not like you would ever make there either :joy:

    I wouldn't apply for it. It's a thankless job. Balance is better now than it has been in a long time.

    If you want me to understand what you're saying, perhaps use punctuation and spell things correctly.

    A side note: There are three "must evade" skills for holo. The Corona Burst which gives stability -- note: you must dodge the second burst, too. This can be blocked, ranged or evaded. Last, you must dodge or range Prime Light Beam. Which isn't difficult. Most engineers will not use stealth to set it up, as with only one source of stealth, it's typically a reserve for escape.

    So,rifle 4 ,holo5 and holo2/4 are facetank'able ? Every skill in the game is range'able ,wow ,what a discovery lad!
    Some info : in 6s they resustain and pew a laser more often than not, chances of interrupts/seeing it coming is about 0.
    Thats like when you fought scepter mesmer you had to evade only scepter that did 10k over 2.25s but it was 50% nerfed. With such logic every skill is ezpz to counter,just l2p evade/block/invul lad.

    I could go on for must evade skills for warrior, but I fear you're a bit too blind in your mission to complain about skills that most folks know how to deal with.

    My mission is bring either skills in more "balanced" state or if they not willing to, make other skills that cant not even close to be strong as it is the same cooldown at least and its counter as well ;)

    A final note: I'm not in opposition to balance in the form of tuning, nor am I opposed to bringing elites like Lich into line with commonly used elites to improve build diversity. I'm just opposed to people who talk about things without taking time to learn how to counter them.

    Arguing with such ppl... much a facepalm ....

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2019

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:
    All this really condenses to is you don't know how to fight warrior. Want it nerfed so you beat it.

    I guess that's the general trend of all these posts.

    All high plat/legendary/monthly winners/ESL players need to SHUT UP and GIT GUD (C) Gold2-3 player

    Last time I checked gw2 isn't in ESL. c gold2-3? What you talking about lol.

    Wait a second ,I'll fix it :' D

    I still have no idea what your reference to gold2-3 means. I am in plat. Rampage doesn't let me auto win. But it is the only time I can dish out pressure. As most side noders I play against dodge/block/evade my other skills. The most I can do is stalemate against higher players and even then I don't kill them. Staying in rampage mode also isn't always the best idea as u need cleanse and evade as some of these players can dps you down in rampage.

    Not like I dig your posts but I do remember you saying you were in ~gold2-3, dont remember exact(wait,you are playing warrior and now in plat? Congrats :D). As you ignored my post as well. All those people like Angels/falan/flandre etc agree its need a nerf and many other p3/legend players it need a need a nerf, as I said, all of them should git gud, right !

    The only easy kills are players in gold. Above gold I have not witness easy kills just by being in rampage.

    Yet,seeing this everyday

    Sure I can agree the dmg and cc is high. But I disagree that warrior is this unstoppable interupting killing machine you make it out to be.

    And only thing that can interrupt it is massive conditions/corrupts from the scourge.
    You say people can dps you down? With 20k extra health and 25% damage reduction you can die ? More rampage-mains want to argue ? If you are blind I offer ultimate solution: make other elites around 60 seconds, including direct counter to it(I'm sure pros like you wont be against moa on 60s/72s cd)

    Yeah I was gold 3 like 3 season ago. When I only played thief. The moment I tired out every other class I moved to plat and I have climbed and maintained there since. Looks like you went through my post to try to put me down cos I was in gold ages ago. That's hilarious. It's preciously the point I am making. The moment I tired all the other classes. Suddenly nothing was so op. You should try it some time.

    I did play every class at some point without maining them. I enjoy playing warrior and rampage is just kitten on its cooldown, if you cant utilize that stupid skill,thats all on you

    I fight against all the "pro" players you so worship. Sure they can have their "pro" opinions. But so what. All of them have opinions on every other class.

    "worship" =/= use an example that i'm not alone who know rampage is blatantly OP and they are not random gold scrubs. They are way better than you will ever be and these who seriously type "just dodge"

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:
    All this really condenses to is you don't know how to fight warrior. Want it nerfed so you beat it.

    I guess that's the general trend of all these posts.

    All high plat/legendary/monthly winners/ESL players need to SHUT UP and GIT GUD (C) Gold2-3 player

    Last time I checked gw2 isn't in ESL. c gold2-3? What you talking about lol.

    Wait a second ,I'll fix it :' D

    I still have no idea what your reference to gold2-3 means. I am in plat. Rampage doesn't let me auto win. But it is the only time I can dish out pressure. As most side noders I play against dodge/block/evade my other skills. The most I can do is stalemate against higher players and even then I don't kill them. Staying in rampage mode also isn't always the best idea as u need cleanse and evade as some of these players can dps you down in rampage.

    Not like I dig your posts but I do remember you saying you were in ~gold2-3, dont remember exact(wait,you are playing warrior and now in plat? Congrats :D). As you ignored my post as well. All those people like Angels/falan/flandre etc agree its need a nerf and many other p3/legend players it need a need a nerf, as I said, all of them should git gud, right !

    The only easy kills are players in gold. Above gold I have not witness easy kills just by being in rampage.

    Yet,seeing this everyday

    Sure I can agree the dmg and cc is high. But I disagree that warrior is this unstoppable interupting killing machine you make it out to be.

    And only thing that can interrupt it is massive conditions/corrupts from the scourge.
    You say people can dps you down? With 20k extra health and 25% damage reduction you can die ? More rampage-mains want to argue ? If you are blind I offer ultimate solution: make other elites around 60 seconds, including direct counter to it(I'm sure pros like you wont be against moa on 60s/72s cd)

    Yeah I was gold 3 like 3 season ago. When I only played thief. The moment I tired out every other class I moved to plat and I have climbed and maintained there since. Looks like you went through my post to try to put me down cos I was in gold ages ago. That's hilarious. It's preciously the point I am making. The moment I tired all the other classes. Suddenly nothing was so op. You should try it some time.

    I did play every class at some point without maining them. I enjoy playing warrior and rampage is just kitten on its cooldown, if you cant utilize that stupid skill,thats all on you

    I fight against all the "pro" players you so worship. Sure they can have their "pro" opinions. But so what. All of them have opinions on every other class.

    "worship" =/= use an example that i'm not alone who know rampage is blatantly OP and they are not random gold scrubs. They are way better than you will ever be and these who seriously type "just dodge"

    Good I don't intend to be as good as them. I played PvP for 5 seasons. Barely over a year I can go toe to toe with them. It really is map awareness and just dodge. But it looks like you can't do either.

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:
    All this really condenses to is you don't know how to fight warrior. Want it nerfed so you beat it.

    I guess that's the general trend of all these posts.

    All high plat/legendary/monthly winners/ESL players need to SHUT UP and GIT GUD (C) Gold2-3 player

    Last time I checked gw2 isn't in ESL. c gold2-3? What you talking about lol.

    Wait a second ,I'll fix it :' D

    I still have no idea what your reference to gold2-3 means. I am in plat. Rampage doesn't let me auto win. But it is the only time I can dish out pressure. As most side noders I play against dodge/block/evade my other skills. The most I can do is stalemate against higher players and even then I don't kill them. Staying in rampage mode also isn't always the best idea as u need cleanse and evade as some of these players can dps you down in rampage.

    Not like I dig your posts but I do remember you saying you were in ~gold2-3, dont remember exact(wait,you are playing warrior and now in plat? Congrats :D). As you ignored my post as well. All those people like Angels/falan/flandre etc agree its need a nerf and many other p3/legend players it need a need a nerf, as I said, all of them should git gud, right !

    The only easy kills are players in gold. Above gold I have not witness easy kills just by being in rampage.

    Yet,seeing this everyday

    Sure I can agree the dmg and cc is high. But I disagree that warrior is this unstoppable interupting killing machine you make it out to be.

    And only thing that can interrupt it is massive conditions/corrupts from the scourge.
    You say people can dps you down? With 20k extra health and 25% damage reduction you can die ? More rampage-mains want to argue ? If you are blind I offer ultimate solution: make other elites around 60 seconds, including direct counter to it(I'm sure pros like you wont be against moa on 60s/72s cd)

    Yeah I was gold 3 like 3 season ago. When I only played thief. The moment I tired out every other class I moved to plat and I have climbed and maintained there since. Looks like you went through my post to try to put me down cos I was in gold ages ago. That's hilarious. It's preciously the point I am making. The moment I tired all the other classes. Suddenly nothing was so op. You should try it some time.

    I did play every class at some point without maining them. I enjoy playing warrior and rampage is just kitten on its cooldown, if you cant utilize that stupid skill,thats all on you

    I fight against all the "pro" players you so worship. Sure they can have their "pro" opinions. But so what. All of them have opinions on every other class.

    "worship" =/= use an example that i'm not alone who know rampage is blatantly OP and they are not random gold scrubs. They are way better than you will ever be and these who seriously type "just dodge"

    You played every other class and still die to rampage 😂😂😂 ok nothing can help you.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:
    All this really condenses to is you don't know how to fight warrior. Want it nerfed so you beat it.

    I guess that's the general trend of all these posts.

    All high plat/legendary/monthly winners/ESL players need to SHUT UP and GIT GUD (C) Gold2-3 player

    Last time I checked gw2 isn't in ESL. c gold2-3? What you talking about lol.

    Wait a second ,I'll fix it :' D

    I still have no idea what your reference to gold2-3 means. I am in plat. Rampage doesn't let me auto win. But it is the only time I can dish out pressure. As most side noders I play against dodge/block/evade my other skills. The most I can do is stalemate against higher players and even then I don't kill them. Staying in rampage mode also isn't always the best idea as u need cleanse and evade as some of these players can dps you down in rampage.

    Not like I dig your posts but I do remember you saying you were in ~gold2-3, dont remember exact(wait,you are playing warrior and now in plat? Congrats :D). As you ignored my post as well. All those people like Angels/falan/flandre etc agree its need a nerf and many other p3/legend players it need a need a nerf, as I said, all of them should git gud, right !

    The only easy kills are players in gold. Above gold I have not witness easy kills just by being in rampage.

    Yet,seeing this everyday

    Sure I can agree the dmg and cc is high. But I disagree that warrior is this unstoppable interupting killing machine you make it out to be.

    And only thing that can interrupt it is massive conditions/corrupts from the scourge.
    You say people can dps you down? With 20k extra health and 25% damage reduction you can die ? More rampage-mains want to argue ? If you are blind I offer ultimate solution: make other elites around 60 seconds, including direct counter to it(I'm sure pros like you wont be against moa on 60s/72s cd)

    Yeah I was gold 3 like 3 season ago. When I only played thief. The moment I tired out every other class I moved to plat and I have climbed and maintained there since. Looks like you went through my post to try to put me down cos I was in gold ages ago. That's hilarious. It's preciously the point I am making. The moment I tired all the other classes. Suddenly nothing was so op. You should try it some time.

    I did play every class at some point without maining them. I enjoy playing warrior and rampage is just kitten on its cooldown, if you cant utilize that stupid skill,thats all on you

    I fight against all the "pro" players you so worship. Sure they can have their "pro" opinions. But so what. All of them have opinions on every other class.

    "worship" =/= use an example that i'm not alone who know rampage is blatantly OP and they are not random gold scrubs. They are way better than you will ever be and these who seriously type "just dodge"

    You played every other class and still die to rampage 😂😂😂 ok nothing can help you.

    According to you ,even rampage doesnt help you so you cant kill anyone with it, from your own post.
    I did play warrior myself and I killed a lot of people who supposed to be better than me just because of a rampage,not because i'm exceptional snowflake warrior, keep being delusional lad, I cant help it tbh

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @TorQ.7041 said:
    All this really condenses to is you don't know how to fight warrior. Want it nerfed so you beat it.

    I guess that's the general trend of all these posts.

    All high plat/legendary/monthly winners/ESL players need to SHUT UP and GIT GUD (C) Gold2-3 player

    Last time I checked gw2 isn't in ESL. c gold2-3? What you talking about lol.

    Wait a second ,I'll fix it :' D

    I still have no idea what your reference to gold2-3 means. I am in plat. Rampage doesn't let me auto win. But it is the only time I can dish out pressure. As most side noders I play against dodge/block/evade my other skills. The most I can do is stalemate against higher players and even then I don't kill them. Staying in rampage mode also isn't always the best idea as u need cleanse and evade as some of these players can dps you down in rampage.

    Not like I dig your posts but I do remember you saying you were in ~gold2-3, dont remember exact(wait,you are playing warrior and now in plat? Congrats :D). As you ignored my post as well. All those people like Angels/falan/flandre etc agree its need a nerf and many other p3/legend players it need a need a nerf, as I said, all of them should git gud, right !

    The only easy kills are players in gold. Above gold I have not witness easy kills just by being in rampage.

    Yet,seeing this everyday

    Sure I can agree the dmg and cc is high. But I disagree that warrior is this unstoppable interupting killing machine you make it out to be.

    And only thing that can interrupt it is massive conditions/corrupts from the scourge.
    You say people can dps you down? With 20k extra health and 25% damage reduction you can die ? More rampage-mains want to argue ? If you are blind I offer ultimate solution: make other elites around 60 seconds, including direct counter to it(I'm sure pros like you wont be against moa on 60s/72s cd)

    Yeah I was gold 3 like 3 season ago. When I only played thief. The moment I tired out every other class I moved to plat and I have climbed and maintained there since. Looks like you went through my post to try to put me down cos I was in gold ages ago. That's hilarious. It's preciously the point I am making. The moment I tired all the other classes. Suddenly nothing was so op. You should try it some time.

    I did play every class at some point without maining them. I enjoy playing warrior and rampage is just kitten on its cooldown, if you cant utilize that stupid skill,thats all on you

    I fight against all the "pro" players you so worship. Sure they can have their "pro" opinions. But so what. All of them have opinions on every other class.

    "worship" =/= use an example that i'm not alone who know rampage is blatantly OP and they are not random gold scrubs. They are way better than you will ever be and these who seriously type "just dodge"

    You played every other class and still die to rampage 😂😂😂 ok nothing can help you.

    According to you ,even rampage doesnt help you so you cant kill anyone with it, from your own post.
    I did play warrior myself and I killed a lot of people who supposed to be better than me just because of a rampage,not because i'm exceptional snowflake warrior, keep being delusional lad, I cant help it tbh

    You keep telling yourself that.

  • toxic.3648toxic.3648 Member ✭✭✭

    @TorQ.7041
    @Mbelch.9028
    @FyzE.3472
    ive turned entire teamfights around killing 3 ppl with rampage 5 and auto ftw..
    dunno bout u guys but i dont know any other elite skill thats on par with rampage atm. heck give PLB 3 ammo charges and we are beginning to get there. (noone wants that since that would be broken. and b4 u say "but its unblockable" i say just dodge / invul/ range it/git gud) yet rampage is balanced and carrying warrior?? are u guys for real ? or just high as a kite lol xD

    would be nice if every elite got cd shaves to match the current "good" elites. too many outdated elites needs some rampage love :3

    Toxicity Pengu to the rescue /o/

  • TorQ.7041TorQ.7041 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019

    @toxic.3648 said:
    @TorQ.7041
    @Mbelch.9028
    @FyzE.3472
    ive turned entire teamfights around killing 3 ppl with rampage 5 and auto ftw..
    dunno bout u guys but i dont know any other elite skill thats on par with rampage atm. heck give PLB 3 ammo charges and we are beginning to get there. (noone wants that since that would be broken. and b4 u say "but its unblockable" i say just dodge / invul/ range it/git gud) yet rampage is balanced and carrying warrior?? are u guys for real ? or just high as a kite lol xD

    would be nice if every elite got cd shaves to match the current "good" elites. too many outdated elites needs some rampage love :3

    I have killed mutiple ppl on wvw on teef amazing 500dmg auto attack. Totally op Nerf teef.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Looks like rampage alone carrys in spvp. Take away might stacks and rampage wouldn't be as effective

    12 stacks of might - 2446 power.

    2 stacks of might - 2446 power

    Might has no effect for Rampage unless this is a bug.
    How ever... Using Rampage while in Berserk mode will increase toughness and ferocity for Rampage.

    Literally impossible. Most rampage skills have over a 2.0 damage modifier in pvp. It absolutely scales with might.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Looks like rampage alone carrys in spvp. Take away might stacks and rampage wouldn't be as effective

    12 stacks of might - 2446 power.

    2 stacks of might - 2446 power

    Might has no effect for Rampage unless this is a bug.
    How ever... Using Rampage while in Berserk mode will increase toughness and ferocity for Rampage.

    Literally impossible. Most rampage skills have over a 2.0 damage modifier in pvp. It absolutely scales with might.

    Im making a video tonight.
    You should read the rest of our discussion, berserker and rampage are interacting weirdly. Even get free 1k toughness lol

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
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  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    To reiterate something that was said in another thread.
    Rampage is not the only issue, but usually it spells death most people after its use. Warrior has more skills that you MUST dodge than just rampage, and usually it's a death sentence after you have exhausted your defenses trying to deal with the warrior.
    Don't be surprised if Rampage does get nerfed, the best thing you could do honestly is hope that a reasonable proposal is looked at. If not, expect a lot of core traits to be nerfed for rampage.
    I would remind all of you of the over nerfs to full counter as a cautionary tale of leaving anet to their own devices.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • toxic.3648toxic.3648 Member ✭✭✭

    @TorQ.7041 said:

    I have killed mutiple ppl on wvw on teef amazing 500dmg auto attack. Totally op Nerf teef.

    good for u dud, post that in teef sub. this is elite skill thread . i know its hard to understand rampage is overperforming but if auto's is the only thing u got out of my post i fear i cba to help u understand. cant argue with stupid :(

    Toxicity Pengu to the rescue /o/

  • @Solori.6025 said:
    To reiterate something that was said in another thread.
    Rampage is not the only issue, but usually it spells death most people after its use. Warrior has more skills that you MUST dodge than just rampage, and usually it's a death sentence after you have exhausted your defenses trying to deal with the warrior.
    Don't be surprised if Rampage does get nerfed, the best thing you could do honestly is hope that a reasonable proposal is looked at. If not, expect a lot of core traits to be nerfed for rampage.
    I would remind all of you of the over nerfs to full counter as a cautionary tale of leaving anet to their own devices.

    This is probably the most valuable post yet out of this whole discussion. Cmon bois, rampage is a lil' too much. I've been playing SB to get back into the game and you can turn 1v1's and teamfights like crazy with rampage, the only thing keeping it in check is Necro corrupt really. As Solori said, would you rather they directly nerf Rampage, or indirectly nerf it by downgrading everything else in Warrior. Warrior has plenty of other things going for it, and as long as they don't completely hammer Rampage into the ground it'll still be perfectly useable. Though the engi variant would also need a retune, for the record.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vithzerai.3291 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    To reiterate something that was said in another thread.
    Rampage is not the only issue, but usually it spells death most people after its use. Warrior has more skills that you MUST dodge than just rampage, and usually it's a death sentence after you have exhausted your defenses trying to deal with the warrior.
    Don't be surprised if Rampage does get nerfed, the best thing you could do honestly is hope that a reasonable proposal is looked at. If not, expect a lot of core traits to be nerfed for rampage.
    I would remind all of you of the over nerfs to full counter as a cautionary tale of leaving anet to their own devices.

    This is probably the most valuable post yet out of this whole discussion. Cmon bois, rampage is a lil' too much. I've been playing SB to get back into the game and you can turn 1v1's and teamfights like crazy with rampage, the only thing keeping it in check is Necro corrupt really. As Solori said, would you rather they directly nerf Rampage, or indirectly nerf it by downgrading everything else in Warrior. Warrior has plenty of other things going for it, and as long as they don't completely hammer Rampage into the ground it'll still be perfectly useable. Though the engi variant would also need a retune, for the record.

    As I previously said in the other rampage thread, how its overtuned, but rampage-mains apparently have a rampage instead of the brain... How can people be so delusional and be in denial that spb/rampage hard-carry them.
    My thread about all elites and if rampage is not being nerfed to the ground for that long and being taken as prime example of how balanced elite looks like(20.000 bonus health and 25% damage reduction and slowing conditions 33% reduced (but our PRO TORQ manages to die in rampage anyway),lul damage,mobility,CCs),especially with its cooldown, other elites must be brought to its level or rampage brought to other elite levels as MOA/FGS/Lichtransform and lose its PHYSICAL status and left at 150s cd

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vithzerai.3291 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    To reiterate something that was said in another thread.
    Rampage is not the only issue, but usually it spells death most people after its use. Warrior has more skills that you MUST dodge than just rampage, and usually it's a death sentence after you have exhausted your defenses trying to deal with the warrior.
    Don't be surprised if Rampage does get nerfed, the best thing you could do honestly is hope that a reasonable proposal is looked at. If not, expect a lot of core traits to be nerfed for rampage.
    I would remind all of you of the over nerfs to full counter as a cautionary tale of leaving anet to their own devices.

    This is probably the most valuable post yet out of this whole discussion. Cmon bois, rampage is a lil' too much. I've been playing SB to get back into the game and you can turn 1v1's and teamfights like crazy with rampage, the only thing keeping it in check is Necro corrupt really. As Solori said, would you rather they directly nerf Rampage, or indirectly nerf it by downgrading everything else in Warrior. Warrior has plenty of other things going for it, and as long as they don't completely hammer Rampage into the ground it'll still be perfectly useable. Though the engi variant would also need a retune, for the record.

    As I previously said in the other rampage thread, how its overtuned, but rampage-mains apparently have a rampage instead of the brain... How can people be so delusional and be in denial that spb/rampage hard-carry them.
    My thread about all elites and if rampage is not being nerfed to the ground for that long and being taken as prime example of how balanced elite looks like(20.000 bonus health and 25% damage reduction and slowing conditions 33% reduced (but our PRO TORQ manages to die in rampage anyway),lul damage,mobility,CCs),especially with its cooldown, other elites must be brought to its level or rampage brought to other elite levels as MOA/FGS/Lichtransform and lose its PHYSICAL status and left at 150s cd

    It happens with every class. Mains don't want their class to be nerfed into being garbage and let's be honest do these devs ever nerf appropriately? Or give appropriate compensations to weak areas within the classes in question? So can't really blame them for fighting to keep the delusion alive lol

  • Hylo.1968Hylo.1968 Member ✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Vithzerai.3291 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    To reiterate something that was said in another thread.
    Rampage is not the only issue, but usually it spells death most people after its use. Warrior has more skills that you MUST dodge than just rampage, and usually it's a death sentence after you have exhausted your defenses trying to deal with the warrior.
    Don't be surprised if Rampage does get nerfed, the best thing you could do honestly is hope that a reasonable proposal is looked at. If not, expect a lot of core traits to be nerfed for rampage.
    I would remind all of you of the over nerfs to full counter as a cautionary tale of leaving anet to their own devices.

    This is probably the most valuable post yet out of this whole discussion. Cmon bois, rampage is a lil' too much. I've been playing SB to get back into the game and you can turn 1v1's and teamfights like crazy with rampage, the only thing keeping it in check is Necro corrupt really. As Solori said, would you rather they directly nerf Rampage, or indirectly nerf it by downgrading everything else in Warrior. Warrior has plenty of other things going for it, and as long as they don't completely hammer Rampage into the ground it'll still be perfectly useable. Though the engi variant would also need a retune, for the record.

    As I previously said in the other rampage thread, how its overtuned, but rampage-mains apparently have a rampage instead of the brain... How can people be so delusional and be in denial that spb/rampage hard-carry them.
    My thread about all elites and if rampage is not being nerfed to the ground for that long and being taken as prime example of how balanced elite looks like(20.000 bonus health and 25% damage reduction and slowing conditions 33% reduced (but our PRO TORQ manages to die in rampage anyway),lul damage,mobility,CCs),especially with its cooldown, other elites must be brought to its level or rampage brought to other elite levels as MOA/FGS/Lichtransform and lose its PHYSICAL status and left at 150s cd

    It happens with every class. Mains don't want their class to be nerfed into being garbage and let's be honest do these devs ever nerf appropriately? Or give appropriate compensations to weak areas within the classes in question? So can't really blame them for fighting to keep the delusion alive lol

    Actually not true, most of the warrior i know (good ones), agree for a hypothetical nerf to it

  • Hylo.1968Hylo.1968 Member ✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    In my opinion, most elites (especially core ones) are dated and needs to be reworked or buffed. In a perfect utopia, all elites should be usable in different builds.
    Note that this post does not take "The class x without the op elite is bad" into consideration. Also, those ideas are only for PvP since I don't play WvW and PvE that much.

    So what needs to be changed in my opinion:

    1. Core Necromancer elites need buffs/reworks, that's as plain as day. Chilled to the Bone feels really elite like and it's a great skill. I have no idea what to do with the Scourge elite.
    2. Core Mesmer elites (Time Warp and Moa in particular) need buffs. Jaunt needs to be utility or get heavy buffs. That, or make Gravity Well a core elite skill xD. Also, the only reason I'm writing this post is because Arena Net buffed Mass Invis and that means they still go back to dated skills.
    3. For core Warrior, Rampage needs nerfs. Banner needs buffs or another rework. Signet is good. (Edit:) Spellbreaker elite needs buffs or a rework and Berserker elite feels very utility-like.
    4. Engineer has 4 (mortar, laser, elixir, gyro) good elites. In my opinion, the laser needs to be at least 75 seconds cooldown. On the other hand, the turret elite needs a bit of a rework or slight buffs. That's because we want all elites to be viable, not just 1-2 per class.
    5. Elementalist has mediocre elites. Weaver elite is good, tempest elite needs very small buffs and tornado needs cooldown reduction. Fiery Greatsword is nice, but summon elite needs to be reworked to be something active.
    6. For Revenant, Kalla elite is really beautiful, Shiro elite needs to be changed, Glint elite is nice. But again, I don't understand Revenant that much.
    7. Guardian already has a good and fair elite (virtue recharge). Firebrand's elite is nice as well and I believe Dragonhunter's elite is good. The signet and shout elites however, are pretty old and needs to be reworked and buffed respectively.
    8. I think if improvisation didn't apply for elite skills, Daggerstorm would be fine. Venom is fine as well. If anything, Thieves Guild needs to be reworked to be more active. I don't have any idea what to do with Daredevil and Deadeye elites.
    9. Core Ranger already has good elites, Strength of the Pack feels like a great elite skill. Immobilizing elite needs very slight range buff but it's good as well. Sadly, I don't think spirits are a good idea for PvP so I guess Ranger needs trap elite instead. For elite specializations, new druid elite is plain unusable, you're better off playing without elite skill if you want to use druid's elite. It needs to be changed completely (again). One Wolf Pack however, got what it deserved and it's only good when you trait it and unless I'm missing a point, it's fine as it already is.

    TLDR: Nerf Rampage.

    1: Core Necro is fine no need buffs ( but a block/evade to our weapon skill would be appreciated). Lich form deals 5k up to 9k AA already NO BUFFS , just reduce the cd, Chilled to the bone should have a faster animation. Scorge elite is fine as it is.
    2 : Core mesmer Moa should have reduced cd, rework Time warp to something more useful, jaunt is fine DO NOT touch it, Gravity Well too
    3 : Core war signet IS NOT FINE it's just trash for an elite skill, so banners.
    4: Engi elites are fine no need buffs
    5: Ele elites , well, Weave Self is good but not for FA , greatsword should have a reduced cd, Tornado is fine.
    6: Revenant core/herald elites are fine, about Renegade Elite is quite busted with Mad King runes/ Steadfast Rejuvenation
    7: Guardian elites are fine no need buffs
    8: Ranger elites are fine no need buffs

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hylo.1968 said:
    8: Ranger elites are fine no need buffs

    Except druid's 7 second cast time elite.

  • Hylo.1968Hylo.1968 Member ✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Hylo.1968 said:
    8: Ranger elites are fine no need buffs

    Except druid's 7 second cast time elite.

    forgot it xD

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Jaunt isn't fine and needs to be reverted to 3 charges or 2 charges every 20s

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Hylo.1968
    How jaunt can be compared to any of these elites on its cd...? If anything its just an utility, not elite :joy:
    Compared to rampage clealry worse elites need buffs/cooldown reductions, not saying about these which are alrdy strong

  • JTGuevara.9018JTGuevara.9018 Member ✭✭✭

    Alright, I'm reading all this whining about this or that class when this game needs to NERF EVERYTHING TO THE GROUND. Seriously! There's been constant powercreep with elite specs for about 4 straight years. I main warrior. I messed around with berserker elite. Berserker does STUPID damage. There is no way you can have that in a healthy pvp environment. When you can two-shot light armors with Arc Divider...WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

    But it doesn't stop there! If you nerf the damage from elite specs, you also have to nerf their defenses, active and passive. Otherwise...bunkers. However, at times, this pvp community doesn't seem to see the forest for the trees. They want their class buffed and others nerfed! I see right through these shenanigans.

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