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  • @bOTEB.1573 said:
    You should probably make a thread "How to deal with SLB" or "How to win against SLB" where a lot of people will try to help you and you will have a lot more success.

    I agree that "l2p" is the first step in all competitive gaming. In this case, I don't need to make a help thread as I've learned a lot about SLB play chatting with SLB veterans like @shadowpass.4236 and @Trevor Boyer.6524 who do try to be helpful and constructive even when discussing changes to their main. I'm not putting words in their mouths in saying that both are absolutely fine with nerfing Sic 'Em. Shadowpass is fine removing it entirely--said it multiple times in this tread alone. Trevor suggested a range nerf which he and I discussed in your "Buff Sic 'Em" thread, if I remember correctly.

    However, I am pretty sure you don't want an advice (you believe SLB is unbeatable because you have tried "everything" without success) - you want straight nerf just to feel better, which is sad, really.

    Please stop making up stuff that proves you haven't read most of what I've said.

    If I was a dev, I wouldn't dumb down the game for you.

    I wouldn't do that for anyone. That includes buffing Sic 'Em for someone who actually thinks it needs a buff in 2019.

  • @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @kiritsugu emeya.3962 said:
    facts:
    1) quotes by Twilight Tempest.7584 the guy who made the post "Just make condi-mirage viable (not OP) and rev is fine. No nerf needed"
    mirage is viable and it actually counters slb

    When your spec (SLB) is supposedly underrepresented it's weak and needs buffs. But when another is definitely underrepresented (condi-mirage), it's just fine. Okay.

    but its not "supposdely underpresented" dude. you cant just start a fire because of 4-6 rangers. and do u see me ever saying it needs buffs??????? . condi mirage isnt underrpresented its just doing fine, if its not, then the problem is from you.

    >

    2) another quote "I hear a SLB just won in the last mAT. So I guess there goes that argument."
    no sicem soulbeast has ever come close to winning an mat. guess why? because sicem soulbeast doesnt fit in meta comps, it was only flandre on eu and he wasnt running sicem, but boonbeast before the nerf.

    So two Sic 'Ems in recent NA finals aren't even "close to winning an mat"? Okay. By the way, how many mirages have been in MATs lately?

    Never mind that the tired argument that "my spec isn't even in the top ___ or useful in meta comps" does not mean "my spec is perfectly fine, not OP in any way, and doesn't need nerfs, but in fact buffs."

    If that were the standard for whether something is broken or needs reworks, then mirage never would have been touched, based on its LB and MAT representation (lack thereof). I'm not saying Mirage didn't need nerfs, but that isn't because it was dominating the top of the LB/MATs (it wasn't).

    have you even seen the finals of na mat the finals was 500-30 wasnt even close, only reason they got second place was because of how bad the brackets are. (you are clueless)
    mirage has won every single mat in na for the past year, before the nerf it was condi mirage over and over, and after the nerf it was power mirage not because condi mirage isnt good but power mirage fit the comp better. there are over 50+ mesmers in top 200 (again you are clueless)

    3) another quote "At this rate mirage will be deleted before I even come close to gitting gud with it. :'( I've always avoided meta builds in order to not be too annoying with my mes"
    maybe stop "always" avoiding meta builds

    Congrats. You dug all the way back to an early post of mine when I was just starting to play some PvP at a time condi-Mirage was at the height of forum QQ and hate, in the middle of a prolonged nerf-wave (which may still be ongoing).

    your post was in January not that far behind babe
    only reason condi mirage was nerfed because of its high winrate across multiple tiers with many players using it, this here is a quote by anet ben on pvp discord "Mirage: Scepter/Pistol, Axe/Torch - 60%, Mirage: Sword/Sword, Greatsword - 58%, We have more detail than we had before"
    another quote by anetben "60% win rate is pretty high for us"
    not gonna say much

    Who says I haven't resorted to meta builds by now? Assume much? Not that there is a single "meta" mesmer build at the moment. Unlike rangers which have at least three meta SLB builds.

    what are you talking about there are kitten ton builds that are viable
    mirage is an extremely versatile class
    incase of ranger its core which is useless, boonbeast which after the nerf is now useless, and sicem slb which is underrated.
    (clueless)

    4) there are literally only 4-5 soulbeasts who run "sicem" in top 200 in na
    for eu there is like 1 druid and 1 soulbeast in top 50 not sure about 200

    See #2 above, and #5 below for what I think of LB/MAT representation as being all there is to balance.

    answered

    5)another pathetic quote "I don't care if Soulbeast is not the most viable in the top 10% when it's over performing in the remaining 90%"
    DID U JUST SAY over performing in the remaining 90% and used idc in the same sentence

    I did. Not sure what you're saying. Be more clear when you're trying to denigrate me next time.

    you cant say I DONT CARE when ur having a conversation/argument, like cant u get it urself???

    6)war/weaver/mirage all counter sicem soulbeast

    That's nice. Thief, Scrapper, and Protection Holo all hard counter condi-mirage. Several others stall it out. What's your point?

    omg are u serious scrapper is useless it doesnt even counter you, and prot holo should take node off of condi mirage
    but some condi mirage builds can defeat even prot holo builds that are specifically anti condi
    my point is that sicem soulbeast is already countered, u want to counter it even more?

    7) anet looks at how high the win ratio is for a spec inorder to nerf it or not, and incase of ranger its low

    If this were 100% all there is to it, then I repeat: Mesmer and its specs would never have been touched. But feel free to think that what applies to others doesn't apply to your spec in the same situation.

    i already answered this above, fyi my spec isnt even close to 50%

    8)hight tier players dont give a kitten about sicem, because its a meme

    Cool story bro.

    9) apparently low tier players care

    Not just low tier.

    who else?

    "me new to game, me hate this skill, class, me go to forums QQ" :(
    done

    Yes, dismiss anything you don't like as pleb nonsense/silver struggles. Come back later when you get nerfed. ;) Good day.


    EDIT: I don't usually bother looking up someone's post history, but I took a quick look and it all makes sense now. You don't want your SLB roaming vids to die. :joy:

    i got 9k hours on ranger if u see my vids youd notice that i rarely use sicem, i use it when im forced to fight unbeatable specs, because without sicem i cant touch them, for example holo/weaver/condi mirage
    and i can do the same as you and just ask for nerfs on mes class (not condi mirage as i think its perfectly fine currently) but i wont, i would instead learn how to fight each class/spec.
    not gonna even reply anymore gl in ur clueless revolution LMFAO

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  • @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    THE ULTIMATE UNVEILING
    (snip)

    Interesting read as always. Speaking only for myself, I wasn't around to experience those shifts in ranged danger. So there is no preconceived notion on my part as to how ranged attacks should be in GW2 post PoF. For all intents and purposes, I've only known a GW2 with strong ranged attacks.

    From a design perspective, it seems to me that all else being equal, ranged attacks should never do the same amount of damage as melee attacks, let alone more. That is because melee is inherently more risky than ranged. Yet post PoF, we have ranged attacks very capable of rivaling melee attacks, and in many cases beating them in both raw output and usability. This is true comparing auto attacks with auto attacks and bursts with bursts. LB autos hit as hard as melee autos. Sic' Em + Unstoppable Union Rapid Fire rivals the biggest melee bursts. All from the safety of range (and even stealth).

    Since I only know post-PoF GW2, I can only speak to what "feels wrong" here and now.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2019

    I am very interested to see the last season winrate of ranger and mesmer :)

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • @bOTEB.1573 said:
    I am very interested to see the last season winrate of ranger and mesmer :)

    Same. I've always wished Anet would publish build performance stats.

  • trixantea.1230trixantea.1230 Member ✭✭✭

    By the way, is the next balance patch coming next week?

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2019

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    By the way, is the next balance patch coming next week?

    IIRC balance patches are done mid season, so probably not until late June or early july
    EDIT: but knowing Anet. Their is always the possibility of them curbstomping something early.
    I'm betting it's going to be thieves

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    I just keep wonder this thing. Soulbeast has been here with the Sic 'Em mechanic since 2017.

    Why do you want nerfs now? Is it because your favorite profession

    I've always had a perspective that absolutely no one skill should not be critting for 20k+. Let alone 40k the way we've seen with Sic Em Soulbeast.

    Personally I'm not a die hard on Soulbeast nerfs. Spellbreaker, Engineer of all stripes ,and Glint Shiro Herald are far more deserving of nerfs.

    But at the end of the day 30k rapid fires should not be a thing. And longbow in general should require more IQ for all builds than 4>2.

    Yet you didn't express your opinion last year or 2017, you started 2019 ;)
    Anyway, you said it yourself - there are far more powerful builds than the Soulbeast.

    I actually started mentioning it back in 2018 when I first noticed things like 60k Worldly Impacts and 30k rapid fires, that I thought level of crit damage is inherently unhealthy.

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  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    you want straight nerf just to feel better, which is sad, really. If I was a dev, I wouldn't dumb down the game for you.

    Thats what everyone wanted, nerf memser so they can facesmash against keyboard and win, which is happened. Why soulbeast should escape the same fate?

    Because Soulbeast is not viable at higher tiers, mesmer was and still is viable.
    That is why Soulbeast should not only escape the same fate but also receive buffs.

    High tiers? Do you mean boonbeast/sic em lb that flashing in monthly AT's ? Ignore facts as much as you like but dont be surprised when ranger get deserved nerfs :)

    Yeah I mean the 4-5 SLBs (in total) that are in top 200 NA and the 2 that lost horribly at the mat final, where the 2 slbs lost them the game:)
    We can count the top 200 meta builds 1 by 1, together, if you want and compare them with the 4-5 SLBs... Will be fun to see how "many" people play this "OP" build at higher tiers, and post the data here ;)
    Let me know.

    I can count 3 SLBs in the top 30 from the previous season. There's undoubtedly more in that top 30 I don't personally recognized and far far more in the rest of the top 250 I didn't try to tally up for this post.

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    The point is that OP like the mesmer a lot, it got nerfed and now he want to nerf everything else in order to bring his favorite profession, more or less, to its previous state. Part of his arguments are: "it's ok for slb but its not ok for mesmer?", "if mesmer got nerf hammered, everything else should too" etc. etc
    Sorry, I agree with a guy from the previous posts:
    "Someone has been playing an over powered Condi Mesmer and now seeking revenge. Over hyped unnecessary nerf calls."

    "The Boosted AF Scrublord's Prayer:

    My build is fine.
    And if you complain you're bad.
    And if you aren't bad you just don't know what you're talking about.
    And if you do know what you're talking about you just need to tweak your build.
    And if your build is good you're biased against my class.
    And if you aren't biased, you're just bitter about previous nerfs.
    And if you aren't bitter, my build can't be touched or the entire class wouldn't be viable anymore.
    And if would be then what about these OTHER OP builds?
    And if you want changes in other classes too, I deserve to be OP because of this one time years ago when it was underpowered."

    This scrublord also cut/ignored half of my post :D

    Also they dont balance only around "high tiers" only, they nerfed DE despite it not being represented at high tiers,mesmer when their representation significantly dropped and power mesmer as well never been there. Mesmer viable - lol

  • Twilight Tempest.7584Twilight Tempest.7584 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    "The Boosted AF Scrublord's Prayer:

    My build is fine.
    And if you complain you're bad.
    And if you aren't bad you just don't know what you're talking about.
    And if you do know what you're talking about you just need to tweak your build.
    And if your build is good you're biased against my class.
    And if you aren't biased, you're just bitter about previous nerfs.
    And if you aren't bitter, my build can't be touched or the entire class wouldn't be viable anymore.
    And if would be then what about these OTHER OP builds?
    And if you want changes in other classes too, I deserve to be OP because of this one time years ago when it was underpowered."

    ^All on display in here, particularly in the last couple pages.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    "The Whinylord's Prayer":

    Everything but my main should be nerfed.
    Bring everything else below my main tier.
    Everything like my main should get nerfs, but the nerfs better be perfect so I can still see players play this build BUT I have to own them every time with my BUILD (which is not meta). "Yeah, I have always avoided playing meta builds" and I don't understand why ANET don't nerf everything that faceroll my non-meta build.
    And if you "complain" you don't know what you are talking about.
    Mediocre tier in all game modes? I DoN'T CaRe!
    It is easy countered? I DoN'T CaRe - I CaN't CouNteR iT - so it must be nerfed!
    But good players counter it easy? Well, guess what? I DoN'T CaRe - I CaN't CouNteR iT! And don't say it is a L2P issue... It is complicated and I can't explain it but it is not that!
    I didn't ask for help how to counter it with my build that actually counters their build? I DoN'T CaRe, bro! Don't you understand that I simply DO NOT CARE about logic I just want straight nerfs!
    I am using the word "OP" to the build that is not meta? I DoN'T CaRe - people are clueless that is why they don't use it much, it has cosmic potential, everyone knows that if you play OP builds your win chance is higher! Don't know why higher tier players don't play it but guess what, I DoN'T CaRe!
    The Soulbeasts lost 500-30 at the finals? I DoN'T CaRe - their build was super OP but they can't win the match on their own - the other players sucked hard, only the Soulbeast OP build made this 30 points.

    Did I miss something?
    ahahaha ;)

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    "The Whinylord's Prayer":

    Everything but my main should be nerfed.
    Bring everything else below my main tier.
    Everything like my main should get nerfs, but the nerfs better be perfect so I can still see players play this build BUT I have to own them every time with my BUILD (which is not meta). "Yeah, I have always avoided playing meta builds" and I don't understand why ANET don't nerf everything that faceroll my non-meta build.
    And if you "complain" you don't know what you are talking about.
    Mediocre tier in all game modes? I DoN'T CaRe!
    It is easy countered? I DoN'T CaRe - I CaN't CouNteR iT - so it must be nerfed!
    But good players counter it easy? Well, guess what? I DoN'T CaRe - I CaN't CouNteR iT! And don't say it is a L2P issue... It is complicated and I can't explain it but it is not that!
    I didn't ask for help how to counter it with my build that actually counters their build? I DoN'T CaRe, bro! Don't you understand that I simply DO NOT CARE about logic I just want straight nerfs!
    I am using the word "OP" to the build that is not meta? I DoN'T CaRe - people are clueless that is why they don't use it much, it has cosmic potential, everyone knows that if you play OP builds your win chance is higher! Don't know why higher tier players don't play it but guess what, I DoN'T CaRe!
    The Soulbeasts lost 500-30 at the finals? I DoN'T CaRe - their build was super OP but they can't win the match on their own - the other players sucked hard, only the Soulbeast OP build made this 30 points.

    Did I miss something?
    ahahaha ;)

    Yeah. Its a riff on the scrublord's prayer from core a gaming.

    Which itself is a riff on the narcissists prayer.

    pp,840x830-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg

    So for starters the original scrub lords prayer is about this topic, and second the format should be similar to the narcissists prayer.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • @bOTEB.1573 said:
    Did I miss something?

    Pretty much everything.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @bOTEB.1573

    Mesmer (and Mirage in particular) have always hard countered rangers. I can explain this further if needed but they have so many tools available to them that they can completely shut down every single way we could potentially damage them as well as nullify our class mechanic for 90% of the fight.

    Frankly, the amount of mesmers that have issues against the class they should beat the easiest is ridiculous. To put it into perspective, how silly would it look if every ranger made nerf threads against necromancers? lol

    Ranger has some glaring weaknesses that good players can easily exploit. Why do you think longbow ranger is NEVER used competitively? Because anyone, regardless of class, can simply walk behind LoS and become completely immune to our damage. It's even easier to pull off on meta Mirage builds because they bring 3 stunbreaks, 2-3 teleports + spammable leaps, can dodge while CC'd by Point Blank Shot, and have interrupts + distortion. Not to mention target breaking stops Rapid Fire mid-channel regardless of reveal.

    There are ZERO reasons why a Mirage should ever die to a ranger, especially a longbow ranger at that.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    Frankly, the amount of mesmers that have issues against the class they should beat the easiest is ridiculous. To put it into perspective, how silly would it look if every ranger made nerf threads against necromancers? lol

    .

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.4836 said:

    @Hooglese.4860 said:

    This isn't true. The higher the rank you are, the harder scourge is to beat. At low ranks people faceroll scourge, but don't know the game so they lose regardless due to bad rotations.

    The higher rank you are, the more you know that scourage is easy to beat, because you're a better player... You wouldn't have gotten there if you just gave up like every-other gold monkey complaining about scourages' low skill floor.

    Scourge is ridiculous at high ranks, they can literally walk to any point to +1, force a decap/cap, and walk away and no one can do anything about it because in plat, people peel and support correctly and the Scourge's know how to actually use their skills properly. Not to mention they are like a nuclear warhead in a team fight

    -shadowpass.4236

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    Frankly, the amount of mesmers that have issues against the class they should beat the easiest is ridiculous. To put it into perspective, how silly would it look if every ranger made nerf threads against necromancers? lol

    .

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.4836 said:

    @Hooglese.4860 said:

    This isn't true. The higher the rank you are, the harder scourge is to beat. At low ranks people faceroll scourge, but don't know the game so they lose regardless due to bad rotations.

    The higher rank you are, the more you know that scourage is easy to beat, because you're a better player... You wouldn't have gotten there if you just gave up like every-other gold monkey complaining about scourages' low skill floor.

    Scourge is ridiculous at high ranks, they can literally walk to any point to +1, force a decap/cap, and walk away and no one can do anything about it because in plat, people peel and support correctly and the Scourge's know how to actually use their skills properly. Not to mention they are like a nuclear warhead in a team fight

    -shadowpass.4236


    On top of that... No clue what build he is talking about, sounds like classic 6/6/6/6/6/6

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @bOTEB.1573

    Mesmer (and Mirage in particular) have always hard countered rangers. I can explain this further if needed but they have so many tools available to them that they can completely shut down every single way we could potentially damage them as well as nullify our class mechanic for 90% of the fight.

    Frankly, the amount of mesmers that have issues against the class they should beat the easiest is ridiculous. To put it into perspective, how silly would it look if every ranger made nerf threads against necromancers? lol

    Ranger has some glaring weaknesses that good players can easily exploit. Why do you think longbow ranger is NEVER used competitively? Because anyone, regardless of class, can simply walk behind LoS and become completely immune to our damage. It's even easier to pull off on meta Mirage builds because they bring 3 stunbreaks, 2-3 teleports + spammable leaps, can dodge while CC'd by Point Blank Shot, and have interrupts + distortion. Not to mention target breaking stops Rapid Fire mid-channel regardless of reveal.

    There are ZERO reasons why a Mirage should ever die to a ranger, especially a longbow ranger at that.

    Don't tell this to me please (I already know it),
    Tell it to the OP - he is the mesmer that wants soulbeast nerfed.

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    Frankly, the amount of mesmers that have issues against the class they should beat the easiest is ridiculous. To put it into perspective, how silly would it look if every ranger made nerf threads against necromancers? lol

    .

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.4836 said:

    @Hooglese.4860 said:

    This isn't true. The higher the rank you are, the harder scourge is to beat. At low ranks people faceroll scourge, but don't know the game so they lose regardless due to bad rotations.

    The higher rank you are, the more you know that scourage is easy to beat, because you're a better player... You wouldn't have gotten there if you just gave up like every-other gold monkey complaining about scourages' low skill floor.

    Scourge is ridiculous at high ranks, they can literally walk to any point to +1, force a decap/cap, and walk away and no one can do anything about it because in plat, people peel and support correctly and the Scourge's know how to actually use their skills properly. Not to mention they are like a nuclear warhead in a team fight

    -shadowpass.4236

    Somehow it's always EU mesmers that seem to be the most ignorant. You're one of the mesmer players that I was referring to. It's incredible how much you seem to struggle against the class you counter the hardest.

    1. I didn't make that thread.
    2. Scourge was dominating high plat + legendary on both NA and EU at PoF release. The Sic Em soulbeast build being complained about in this thread is strictly used as a pubstomper in gold and below. Unlike pre-nerf Scourge, Sic Em SLB didn't/doesn't work against skilled players.
    3. In that quote, I was pointing out a Scourge's ability to +1 any fight, dump sewage on the node, and instantly guarantee a decap/full cap because of how much consistent kill pressure they were putting out. Sic Em ranger is not a meta build, nor does it compare to Scourge during it's prime.

    Even at that point of the game, scourges could still be easily kited and killed by rangers in a 1v1. In the post you quoted from two years ago, I was specifically addressing their ability to decap and escape with peel from a Firebrand duo.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    On top of that... No clue what build he is talking about, sounds like classic 6/6/6/6/6/6

    So you don't remember the Scourge meta build everyone and their mother was using at PoF release? Hmm, it sounds like you don't have enough experience to offer constructive feedback. D=

    No, it was curses, soul reaping, and scourge. The 6/6/6/6/6/6 trait system you thought it "sounds like" was actually removed in 2015 before HoT was released.

    In conclusion, it seems like you're not only inexperienced, but also ignorant and attempting to derail the thread with severely outdated information.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    On top of that... No clue what build he is talking about, sounds like classic 6/6/6/6/6/6

    So you don't remember the Scourge meta build everyone and their mother was using at PoF release? Hmm, it sounds like you don't have enough experience to offer constructive feedback. D=

    No, it was curses, soul reaping, and scourge. The 6/6/6/6/6/6 trait system you thought it "sounds like" was actually removed in 2015 before HoT was released.

    In conclusion, it seems like you're not only inexperienced, but also ignorant and attempting to derail the thread with severely outdated information.

    I meant the mesmer that has spam leaps,3 breakstuns,breaktargets (since when its break channeling skills lol).
    Its far away from being "free kill" as you trying to make it look. Your claims make no sense either. Mesmer always countered ranger? How about all the way of HoT that won mesmer all the way? Oh, you and your ridiculous claims as mesmer bursting from over 2.3k range xD
    I have feeling like the most of people who use forums are from NA. For them power mesmer is some kind of ultimate god(hence why Eurantien complain power mirage is the most busted class/spec in the game,Zeromis farmed him too hard?:D), on EU there is no power mesmers at all. Cmirage is still busted on NA, we have Flandre that reroll to soulbeast on demand anyway. And so on.
    If someone is ignorant - NA region, at this point we need separate forum for NA and EU region and we will see the difference

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @mortrialus.3062
    @praqtos.9035

    I've learned not to engage in longer discussions with people I can't reason/have a constructive conversation with. So, I didn't read your last posts.

    Instead, here's a clip from the Naru's stream (the necro for Team USA). Watch from the timestamp for the next two minutes until the 2 hr 30 min mark.

    Since Naru has won nearly every single monthly on NA, it's obvious that he has a well-informed opinion on class balance, game knowledge, and mechanics for PvP. You can also read his chat to see his viewers weigh in on the topic.

    If an established necro main (the class ranger counters the hardest) has no issue dealing with sic em longbow soulbeast... that says a lot about the people (mesmer players in particular) that have been crying for nerfs.

  • bOTEB.1573bOTEB.1573 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    ...on EU there is no power mesmers at all.

    Wut? Ahaha, this thread is looking more and more like some kind of bad meme... For a moment I thought I am on 9gag. Bro, please, stop embarrassing yourself.

    Wishlist:
    Everything that kills me should be nerfed
    Remove all time gates - I play more than some people yet I receive the same rewards per day/week (PvP/WvW tickets etc)
    ANET developments/events and everything else should be in a schedule with the time I play

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @mortrialus.3062
    @praqtos.9035

    I've learned not to engage in longer discussions with people I can't reason/have a constructive conversation with. So, I didn't read your last posts.

    Instead, here's a clip from the Naru's stream (the necro for Team USA). Watch from the timestamp for the next two minutes until the 2 hr 30 min mark.

    Since Naru has won nearly every single monthly on NA, it's obvious that he has a well-informed opinion on class balance, game knowledge, and mechanics for PvP. You can also read his chat to see his viewers weigh in on the topic.

    If an established necro main (the class ranger counters the hardest) has no issue dealing with sic em longbow soulbeast... that says a lot about the people (mesmer players in particular) that have been crying for nerfs.

    You specifically singled me out and called me ignorant and EU in your last post and I'm not sure which is worse and now you call me the unreasonable one?

    Yes, I believe that you're unreasonable. Based off of the way you respond, the threads you've made, and the views you have regarding balance, I am very much against debating any topic with you because it'll just be met with name calling, finger pointing, and the wasting of time.

    I don't have a very high opinion of you, but I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings. I'm sorry if you feel that way.

    Someone took being called "Shadow Pass Gas" as I stomped you in game a bit too personally.

    I have my chat turned off when I play the game.

    However, if you actually called me that, your admission only serves to reinforce my previous post.

    If harmless deliberately bad puns offend you I apologize.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 Its smart to not engage into discussion when you couldnt read my post twice, thanks

  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    yikes, to many gold players debating about class balance.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    Its smart to not engage into discussion when you couldnt read my post twice, thanks

    I figured the goofy smug anime face would carry the point across that I'm just making a joke and don't mean anything serious when I pulled up that old quote. Something to kind of have a chuckle over and not to be taken seriously like I'm a prosecutor genuinely condemning them. No harm no fowl from them. If they don't want to talk and don't appreciate teasing I'm not going to poke them more.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @bOTEB.1573

    Mesmer (and Mirage in particular) have always hard countered rangers. I can explain this further if needed but they have so many tools available to them that they can completely shut down every single way we could potentially damage them as well as nullify our class mechanic for 90% of the fight.

    Frankly, the amount of mesmers that have issues against the class they should beat the easiest is ridiculous. To put it into perspective, how silly would it look if every ranger made nerf threads against necromancers? lol

    Ranger has some glaring weaknesses that good players can easily exploit. Why do you think longbow ranger is NEVER used competitively? Because anyone, regardless of class, can simply walk behind LoS and become completely immune to our damage. It's even easier to pull off on meta Mirage builds because they bring 3 stunbreaks, 2-3 teleports + spammable leaps, can dodge while CC'd by Point Blank Shot, and have interrupts + distortion. Not to mention target breaking stops Rapid Fire mid-channel regardless of reveal.

    There are ZERO reasons why a Mirage should ever die to a ranger, especially a longbow ranger at that.

    Thanks, tell me I'm bad some more why dontcha? :tongue:

    You know I respect your input, and this is no exception.

    Though even if Mesmer/Mirage should be able to handle SLB, I don't think all the complaints about SLB lately are from Mesmer/Mirage players (or even Necros). It mostly seems like people hate what you've called "gimmick" builds with the over-the-top Sic 'Em + OWP LB or WI/Maul bursts. And I know you disapprove of those builds:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    Sic Em and One Wolf Pack are both completely garbage gimmick utilities. You guys are dying to a meme build.

    They aren't fun to fight against, aren't viable in competitive, and require very little skill to play. Remove them both from the game for all I care, the builds that use them are trash anyways.

    The only time a Sic Em + OWP longbow build should ever be used is if you want to gank people that don't know how to defend themselves properly.

    This is where you and @bOTEB.1573 might disagree, I think:

    @bOTEB.1573 said:
    Everyone knows that using "Sic 'Em!" is essential to most rangers.
    Because of that, its CD should be reduced to 20, maximum 25 sec. so rangers can use it more often.
    Rangers can't simply pray doing mediocre damage only once every 35 sec.
    We, rangers, deserve more consistent damage buff but 20-25 sec. is kinda acceptable.

  • @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @mortrialus.3062
    @praqtos.9035

    I've learned not to engage in longer discussions with people I can't reason/have a constructive conversation with. So, I didn't read your last posts.

    Please don't quarrel guys. I've learned a lot from all of you. :heart:

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zoopop.5630 said:
    yikes, to many gold players debating about class balance.

    it's where the balancing happens. they really don't balance around the few.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @Twilight Tempest.7584

    I apologize. I'm usually met with a lot of backlash every time I respond to these types of threads.

    So, I'll explain a little bit about how the pets work and why Mirage in particular can shut them down for the majority of a fight.

    1. When you order your pet to attack, the pet runs to your target.
    2. When this target stealths or target breaks, the pet runs back to you.
    3. When the target blinks up/down terrain, the pet has to path around any obstacles in order to reach the target.

    This means that using a combination of skills like axe 3, blink, jaunts, sword 3, staff 2, torch 4, illusionary ambush, and signet of midnight cause our pets to spend the majority of the fight running back and forth between the player and the mesmer. Unlike clones, the pets don't automatically retarget, meaning there is a lot of downtime where the pet is simply unable to reach the mesmer to deal damage.

    Against longbow, all a mesmer has to do is blink/jaunt behind LoS if there aren't any that are close enough to run behind. This is effectively an instant, complete invulnerability to our ranged damage. If you are revealed by Sic Em, using a target break such as Illusionary Ambush also cancels our Rapid Fire. Furthermore, the ranger having good timing with Point Blank Shot or Hilt Bash is rendered meaningless because the Mirage can simply dodge while cc'd. Also, they have more than enough stunbreaks/distorts to nullify any potential follow-up we have.

    Now, I've just touched lightly on the subject. However, the conclusion here is that there is simply nothing a ranger can do to kill a well-played Mirage. It is our hardest counter. Neither the pet nor the player is able to do meaningful damage to a Mirage that knows how to react accordingly and abuse the amount of mobility/utility they have access to. In fact, especially against players like Zeromis, the only way I can actually kill him is if he doesn't pay attention to my Gazelle f2s and the charge attack. All of my mauls get evaded and any ccs I land on him don't amount to anything because he can either evade the next attack(s) or daze me during it and land a shatter combo. He abuses LoS so my longbow doesn't deal damage and when I try to cast any skill like Rapid Fire if he's out in the open, I end up getting interrupted, my projectiles get nullified, the arrows get bodyblocked by a clone, or I'm forced to evade ccs/skills like gs4. If I try to LoS his greatsword attacks, he can blink past the terrain and still burst me or use skills like sword 3 to continue applying pressure.

    Also, while I believe condi Mirage is oppressive, I am more scared of a well-played power mesmer simply because the burst can 100-0 me if I don't play perfectly.

  • @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @Twilight Tempest.7584

    I apologize. I'm usually met with a lot of backlash every time I respond to these types of threads.

    So, I'll explain a little bit about how the pets work and why Mirage in particular can shut them down for the majority of a fight.

    1. When you order your pet to attack, the pet runs to your target.
    2. When this target stealths or target breaks, the pet runs back to you.
    3. When the target blinks up/down terrain, the pet has to path around any obstacles in order to reach the target.

    This means that using a combination of skills like axe 3, blink, jaunts, sword 3, staff 2, torch 4, illusionary ambush, and signet of midnight cause our pets spend the majority of the fight running back and forth between the player and the mesmer. Unlike clones, the pets don't automatically retarget, meaning there is a lot of downtime where the pet is simply unable to reach the mesmer to deal damage.

    Against longbow, all a mesmer has to do is blink/jaunt behind LoS if there aren't any that are close enough to run behind. This is effectively an instant, complete invulnerability to our ranged damage. If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire. If you are revealed by Sic Em, using a target break such as Illusionary Ambush also cancels our Rapid Fire. Furthermore, the ranger having good timing with Point Blank Shot or Hilt Bash is rendered meaningless because the Mirage can simply dodge while cc'd. Also, they have more than enough stunbreaks/distorts to nullify any potential follow-up we have.

    Now, I've just touched lightly on the subject. However, the conclusion here is that there is simply nothing a ranger can do to kill a well-played Mirage. It is our hardest counter. Neither the pet nor the player is able to do meaningful damage to a Mirage that knows how to react accordingly and abuse the amount of mobility/utility they have access to. In fact, even against players like Zeromis, the only way I can actually kill him is if he doesn't pay attention to my Gazelle f2s and the charge attack. All of my mauls get evaded and any ccs I land on him don't amount to anything because he can either evade the next attack(s) or daze me during it and land a shatter combo. He abuses LoS so my longbow doesn't deal damage and when I try to cast any skill like Rapid Fire if he's out in the open, I end up getting interrupted, my projectiles get nullified, the arrows get bodyblocked by a clone, or I'm forced to evade ccs/skills like gs4. If I try to LoS his greatsword attacks, he can blink past it and still burst me or use skills like sword 3 to continue applying pressure.

    Also, while I believe condi Mirage is oppressive, I am more scared of a well-played power mesmer simply because the burst can 100-0 me if I don't play perfectly.

    Really good tips that I'll try to keep in mind. For me, part of the problem with the gimmick SLBs is they aren't common so I don't get much practice with them. And then when they do show up, it sucks. But I'm sure these tips apply to all Rangers.

  • Kovu.7560Kovu.7560 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    I don't know why you guys are still complaining.
    They did nerf Sic 'Em the other day -- now you can't use it with Rune of the Soldier/Trooper to cleanse a condition. ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

    ~ Kovu

    Ranger main before it was viable.
    Fort Aspenwood.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This means that using a combination of skills like axe 3, blink, jaunts, sword 3, staff 2, torch 4, illusionary ambush, and signet of midnight cause our pets to spend the majority of the fight running back and forth between the player and the mesmer.

    Beastmastery builsd all has 25% movespeed bonus so they dont majority of time trying to reach mesmer unless player use JP, then they have to run around, like clones and phantasms. Oh smokescale have easiest time chasing players/mesmer and autostun seems like at important moments for you,its range is 240 and always reaching you,so you cant just run away from it.

    Unlike clones, the pets don't automatically retarget, meaning there is a lot of downtime where the pet is simply unable to reach the mesmer to deal damage.

    Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Also, while I believe condi Mirage is oppressive, I am more scared of a well-played power mesmer simply because the burst can 100-0 me if I don't play perfectly.

    If you got 100-0 by a mesmer, he did play perfectly and full zerk to make it happen

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    This means that using a combination of skills like axe 3, blink, jaunts, sword 3, staff 2, torch 4, illusionary ambush, and signet of midnight cause our pets to spend the majority of the fight running back and forth between the player and the mesmer.

    1. Beastmastery builsd all has 25% movespeed bonus so they dont majority of time trying to reach mesmer unless player use JP, then they have to run around, like clones and phantasms. Oh smokescale have easiest time chasing players/mesmer and autostun seems like at important moments for you,its range is 240 and always reaching you,so you cant just run away from it.

    Unlike clones, the pets don't automatically retarget, meaning there is a lot of downtime where the pet is simply unable to reach the mesmer to deal damage.

    2. Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    3. L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Also, while I believe condi Mirage is oppressive, I am more scared of a well-played power mesmer simply because the burst can 100-0 me if I don't play perfectly.

    4. If you got 100-0 by a mesmer, he did play perfectly and full zerk to make it happen

    1. K
    2. You're wrong. If the pet attacks you after coming out of stealth, it means the player targetted you and ordered it to attack.
    3. Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.
    4. You're wrong. 100-0 burst by mesmers require absolutely 0 skill whatsoever. Clip 1 and 2
  • @praqtos.9035 said:

    This means that using a combination of skills like axe 3, blink, jaunts, sword 3, staff 2, torch 4, illusionary ambush, and signet of midnight cause our pets to spend the majority of the fight running back and forth between the player and the mesmer.

    Beastmastery builsd all has 25% movespeed bonus so they dont majority of time trying to reach mesmer unless player use JP, then they have to run around, like clones and phantasms. Oh smokescale have easiest time chasing players/mesmer and autostun seems like at important moments for you,its range is 240 and always reaching you,so you cant just run away from it.

    I do feel like pets can be annoyingly hard to shake sometimes. Chasing and being little ankle biters, and CCing here and there.

    Unlike clones, the pets don't automatically retarget, meaning there is a lot of downtime where the pet is simply unable to reach the mesmer to deal damage.

    Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    Yes! I've always suspected this. Like as soon as stealth wears off they're coming right back. Like stop blowing my cover you little brat! :D Defeats the purpose of the target break.

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Yeah I've seen people say RF tracks targets into stealth, but wasn't sure.

  • @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.

    Np, we all make mistakes. So stealth is still good for SA, but won't cancel other channels?

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.

    Np, we all make mistakes. So stealth is still good for SA, but won't cancel other channels?
    I do feel like pets can be annoyingly hard to shake sometimes. Chasing and being little ankle biters, and CCing here and there.
    Yes! I've always suspected this. Like as soon as stealth wears off they're coming right back. Like stop blowing my cover you little brat! :D Defeats the purpose of the target break.

    Yeah channeled skills like p/p 3 on thief, rapid fire, rifle 3 on warriors, pistol 4 on mesmers, etc. etc. don't get cancelled by stealth. Tracking skills like rev sword 3 get cancelled by stealth.

    Running forward/strafing with swiftness makes it very hard for the pet to hit you. Also, if you teleport up and down terrain the pet will have to run the long way around to get to you.

    He's wrong. If the pet attacks you after stealthing, it means the ranger targetted you and ordered it to attack again. Unlike mesmer clones, pets do not track after stealth.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.

    They most likely use it with sic em to oneboop you or emergency evade like OFK button. More over...for some reason thats de-target that ranger has... another stolen mesmer mechanic :wink:
    You didnt forgot to inform someone when they use smoke assault they have infinite follow range?;)

    1. Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    It is true. I highly doubt every ranger is instasighted me among all clones and gave it an order to attack me,especially when I'm behind a pillar

    You're wrong. 100-0 burst by mesmers require absolutely 0 skill whatsoever. Clip 1 and 2

    0 Skill? What takes 0 skill is LB ranger :joy:
    Berserk chrono with 2 mantras oneshotting potato zerk ranger taht didnt bother to use neither elite to revive/signet? I dont feel sympathy for that girl, sorry :joy: (even tho she could secure stomp on the necro lol).
    kitten how mesmer team is losing ?! 0 skill oneshot must be free winning,dem,such unfortunate

  • @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.

    Np, we all make mistakes. So stealth is still good for SA, but won't cancel other channels?
    I do feel like pets can be annoyingly hard to shake sometimes. Chasing and being little ankle biters, and CCing here and there.
    Yes! I've always suspected this. Like as soon as stealth wears off they're coming right back. Like stop blowing my cover you little brat! :D Defeats the purpose of the target break.

    Yeah channeled skills like p/p 3 on thief, rapid fire, rifle 3 on warriors, pistol 4 on mesmers, etc. etc. don't get cancelled by stealth. Tracking skills like rev sword 3 get cancelled by stealth.

    Running forward/strafing with swiftness makes it very hard for the pet to hit you. Also, if you teleport up and down terrain the pet will have to run the long way around to get to you.

    He's wrong. If the pet attacks you after stealthing, it means the ranger targetted you and ordered it to attack again. Unlike mesmer clones, pets do not track after stealth.

    Got it. Thanks!

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.

    They most likely use it with sic em to oneboop you or emergency evade like OFK button. More over...for some reason thats de-target that ranger has... another stolen mesmer mechanic :wink:
    You didnt forgot to inform someone when they use smoke assault they have infinite follow range?;)

    Yeah I learned that SA followed me through Blink allowing the SLB to oneboop me at the end of the port. Stealth is best for SA.

    1. Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    It is true. I highly doubt every ranger is instasighted me among all clones and gave it an order to attack me,especially behind I'm behind a pillar

    Maybe something that can be tested?

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    1. Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    It is true. I highly doubt every ranger is instasighted me among all clones and gave it an order to attack me,especially behind I'm behind a pillar

    Maybe something that can be tested?

    Found random theif, ordered pet to attack him, he goes stealth,pet attack random ppl, thief lose stealth, pet goes to attack thief without me doing anything. The same happened with a memser: he spawned 3 clones,I told pet to attack mesmer,after he lost stealth pet rushed to attack real one. Is this dude really play ranger as main ? I noticed this behaviour loooooooooooooooooooooong ago

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.

    They most likely use it with sic em to oneboop you or emergency evade like OFK button. More over...for some reason thats de-target that ranger has... another stolen mesmer mechanic :wink:
    You didnt forgot to inform someone when they use smoke assault they have infinite follow range?;)

    1. Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    It is true. I highly doubt every ranger is instasighted me among all clones and gave it an order to attack me,especially behind I'm behind a pillar
    ?You're wrong. 100-0 burst by mesmers require absolutely 0 skill whatsoever. Clip 1 and 2
    0 Skill? What takes 0 skill is LB ranger :joy:
    Berserk chrono with 2 mantras oneshotting potato zerk ranger taht didnt bother to use neither elite to revive/signet? I dont feel sympathy for that girl, sorry :joy: (even tho she could secure stomp on the necro lol).
    kitten how mesmer team is losing ?!

    1. Ranger doesn't have any de-target abilities aside from stealth.
    2. Rev sword 3 tracks through ports. However, since teleports are instant cast, it means that any player using SA must use it preemptively. If you blink while they are casting it, don't be surprised when they're still next to you afterwards.
    3. K
  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    If you aren't revealed by Sic Em, using a stealth cancels any channeled skills like Rapid Fire.

    L O L. I wont even read further... Since when stealth interrupt channelled skills,becase you want it ? After so many years...

    Oops I was thinking of Smoke Assault.

    They most likely use it with sic em to oneboop you or emergency evade like OFK button. More over...for some reason thats de-target that ranger has... another stolen mesmer mechanic :wink:
    You didnt forgot to inform someone when they use smoke assault they have infinite follow range?;)

    1. Not true. Pet automatically retarget on real mesmer as soon you he lose stealth and ignore clones, pet always know who is real mesmer.

    It is true. I highly doubt every ranger is instasighted me among all clones and gave it an order to attack me,especially behind I'm behind a pillar
    ?You're wrong. 100-0 burst by mesmers require absolutely 0 skill whatsoever. Clip 1 and 2
    0 Skill? What takes 0 skill is LB ranger :joy:
    Berserk chrono with 2 mantras oneshotting potato zerk ranger taht didnt bother to use neither elite to revive/signet? I dont feel sympathy for that girl, sorry :joy: (even tho she could secure stomp on the necro lol).
    kitten how mesmer team is losing ?!

    1. Ranger doesn't have any de-target abilities aside from stealth.
    2. Rev sword 3 tracks through ports. However, since teleports are instant cast, it means that any player using SA must use it preemptively. If you blink while they are casting it, don't be surprised when they're still next to you afterwards.
    3. K

    You are wrong,yet again,what a surpise.... Ranger merged smoke assault is a detarget ability
    I know it, hence why I said you should tell that to this not so experienced mesmer to not burn blinks while this kitten is casted on you.

  • Poo, I was trying to keep things friendly, but failed. :disappointed:

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