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30000 damage on a 4 second cooldown with 45% stealth uptime

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WHY IS SOULBEAST STILL IN THIS STATE?

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  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:
    Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

    Warriors do. (Way to much actually)
    Guardians do.
    Rangers do.
    Mesmers do.
    Necromancers dont.
    Engineers do.
    Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)
    Rev's do.
    Elementalist do.

    Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

    Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

    As I said (Evasion up the wazzoo). Whirling defense against a ranger, they wont be able to hit.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019

    Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Ahh so for thief your advice is.

    Blow your elite and survive or die. and
    Dodge..

    Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

    Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

    its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Ahh so for thief your advice is.

    Blow your elite and survive or die. and
    Dodge..

    Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

    Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

    its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

    And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

  • Eurantien.4632Eurantien.4632 Member ✭✭✭

    Can i get some math on those numbers?

  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Ahh so for thief your advice is.

    Blow your elite and survive or die. and
    Dodge..

    Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

    Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

    its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

    And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

    A thief has evades. When you see them use sic em, steal for the daze because you already know they are blowing there lb2. Youl know when they go soulbeast so get ready to use DS. Still have 2 evades leff and already have been doing damage at this point. They have blown their 2 big burst rotations. You have the advantage.

    Thing about soulbeast is that its predictable.

  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    @yusayu.3629 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:
    Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

    Warriors do. (Way to much actually)
    Guardians do.
    Rangers do.
    Mesmers do.
    Necromancers dont.
    Engineers do.
    Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)
    Rev's do.
    Elementalist do.

    Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

    Wait, then why did they nerf good old confusion Mirage into the ground if you can just dodge the shatter, cleanse the confusion or become invulnerable?!

    Oh, right, because if it's Mirage that performs above average everybody instantly loses their minds.

    Probably because the class was over performing while also being tough to kill while pushing out an excess amount of condition pressure that many classes couldn't cleanse through. Not many people like fighting condition builds.

  • @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Multicolorhipster.9751 said:
    Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

    I'll show you a quality meme.

    Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

    Pffft. Alright, you win. B-tier.

    Remove Ranked DuoQ pls&ty

  • Woof.8246Woof.8246 Member ✭✭
    edited May 19, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:
    Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

    Warriors do. (Way to much actually)
    Guardians do.
    Rangers do.
    Mesmers do.
    Necromancers dont.
    Engineers do.
    Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)
    Rev's do.
    Elementalist do.

    Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

    Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

    Condition can be removed by Escapist's Fortitude + Superior Rune of Lyssa , while you cast Bay Blade...i mean Dagger Storm.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Ahh so for thief your advice is.

    Blow your elite and survive or die. and
    Dodge..

    Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

    Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

    its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

    And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

    Thief has build in evades attacks , with the weapons

    Could you either :
    a) to try to defend your class (create more powercreep) or

    b) choose to make threads asking the Devs to fix their game (less powercreep)
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/76805/fix-balance-disparity-between-classes-please

    Its the same disparity of view we had in 7 years ago from the thief population

    (Now that Gaile is gone , canwe attack each other ?
    They will defend => whine for powercreep -> move to other games in 2 years period ...
    7 years its the same ''movie''
    in 2 years , they frustate 200 players , and they simply ''move on '' like they didnt do anything wrong...)

    low budget comedian

  • Woof.8246Woof.8246 Member ✭✭
    edited May 19, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Woof.8246 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:
    Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

    Warriors do. (Way to much actually)
    Guardians do.
    Rangers do.
    Mesmers do.
    Necromancers dont.
    Engineers do.
    Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)
    Rev's do.
    Elementalist do.

    Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

    Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

    Condition can be removed by Escapist's Fortitude + Superior Rune of Lyssa , while you cast Bay Blade...i mean Dagger Storm.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Ahh so for thief your advice is.

    Blow your elite and survive or die. and
    Dodge..

    Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

    Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

    its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

    And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

    Thief has build in evades attacks , with the weapons

    Could you either :
    a) to try to defend your class (create more powercreep) or

    b) choose to make threads asking the Devs to fix their game (less powercreep)
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/76805/fix-balance-disparity-between-classes-please

    Its the same disparity of view we had in 7 years ago from the thief population

    (Now that Gaile is gone , canwe attack each other ?
    They will defend => whine for powercreep -> move to other games in 2 years period ...
    7 years its the same ''movie''
    in 2 years , they frustate 200 players , and they simply ''move on '' like they didnt do anything wrong...)

    Lmao so because a noody makes a build and names the vid new meta build u uptake it as a new meta build? Seriously u xant be serious. Vallun has some builds up to where he does the usual +1 ing,nothing's changed. Even the streamer u use as a example comments in vallun stream how last patch killed d/p lmao. If u think thief is a viable brawler spec especially these days against the powercrept classes that are out now u are a very bad player losing to thief in 1v1 lol sry dont mean any disrespect but is true. Thief hasn't been close to OP or even viable as a brawler or 1v1 for a lot of years now. Theres a reason it's used to decap and +1 right? U can delude urself into thinking otherwise to make u feel better about playing ur powercrept class and yet still losing to a weak class like thief :)

    This is the mentality , that defend , whines and they bails out.
    And then i am the bad guy that gets reports .

    Because of videos like these , new playstyles are created , while the rest of the thief commity w8s like a sheep(you) .
    True... casual ppl (like you) cant do that tricks , so avoid using termonology , that thiefs is underpower whike you cry .
    The only thief different from the video is that his steal get reduced from 1200 range to half , but NOW he gets 450 hp ON EACH EVADE
    20 evade x 450 hp = 9.000 healing

    1400 posts , and thinking that Thief , have 2 dodges like the rest of the class . You make me laugh :)

    Edit: Either defend or whine about creep ...dont be Cynz

    low budget comedian

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Woof.8246 said:
    Because of videos like these , new playstyles are created , while the rest of the thief commity w8s like a sheep(you) .
    True... casual ppl (like you) cant do that tricks , so avoid using termonology , that thiefs is underpower whike you cry .
    The only thief different from the video is that his steal get reduced from 1200 range to half , but NOW he gets 450 hp ON EACH EVADE
    20 evade x 450 hp = 9.000 healing

    the trait still has 1s cooldown for the heal and it was previously a minor trait, so not a heal he didnt have before. he just now has the option not to have that heal.

  • Woof.8246Woof.8246 Member ✭✭

    Or merging both , allow you to choose something else for a change

    low budget comedian

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Woof.8246 said:
    Or merging both , allow you to choose something else for a change

    U clearly don't play thief. Do it for 2 or 3 days and ull understand what is everybody talking about

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • ChartFish.1308ChartFish.1308 Member ✭✭✭

    sips tea 30k on a 4sec CD huh. Those must be some powerful shrooms you're on

  • Highlie.7641Highlie.7641 Member ✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Woof.8246 said:
    Because of videos like these , new playstyles are created , while the rest of the thief commity w8s like a sheep(you) .
    True... casual ppl (like you) cant do that tricks , so avoid using termonology , that thiefs is underpower whike you cry .
    The only thief different from the video is that his steal get reduced from 1200 range to half , but NOW he gets 450 hp ON EACH EVADE
    20 evade x 450 hp = 9.000 healing

    the trait still has 1s cooldown for the heal and it was previously a minor trait, so not a heal he didnt have before. he just now has the option not to have that heal.

    Not only that but that particular healing spec will only work in WvW with large numbers, It's an old build after all. At that time you also had access to regin. and Back in those day's tanky professions couldn't one shot you.

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Multicolorhipster.9751 said:
    Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

    I'll show you a quality meme.

    Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

    Priceless knowledge! :D

  • Vithzerai.3291Vithzerai.3291 Member ✭✭
    edited May 20, 2019

    @Zenix.6198 said:
    "Just LoS" is my new favorite meme.
    Especially in node-holding gamemode.
    Finally all that dungeon farming experience pays off.

    Well I mean, if you already have the node capped (And I'm working on the basis this is a 1v1, because that's the implication I'm getting from the comment. Sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), you don't have to stand on the node and let him fire at you. The initiative is on him to decap the node, meaning he has to walk on the bloody thing.
    And if it's not your node, while it's easier said than done, get on the cap in-between his bursts?

    Seems to be a common misconception that because it's a node-oriented game mode, you have to stand on the cap at all costs in all scenarios.

  • Engal.6359Engal.6359 Member ✭✭

    Anyone who tells you SLB is "too op" does not have a clue. The sic 'em + WWP zerker build is a meme that seen no real play outside unranked or silver 1. EVERY class has a dumb AF cheese build, this one is no exception.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @coro.3176 said:
    I think, really, the best thing you could do is find when/if the balance devs play, and try and get in PvP or WvW against them and just run around focusing them with a glass soulbeast.

    After they've taken 20k unblockable damage from 1800 range away before latency + human reaction time gives them a chance to react, they might start to get it.

    I have seen few on FFA but they were melted by 10 people who were not satisfied with PvP state...

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    Please list tEh build that can do 30k damage bursts every 4 seconds with 45% stealth uptime. I'd like to play it. Thanks, that's all, continue the salt now.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @Zenix.6198 said:
    "Just LoS" is my new favorite meme.
    Especially in node-holding gamemode.
    Finally all that dungeon farming experience pays off.

    All I'm saying is, if "Just LoS", while sound advice, justifies heavy unblockable damage from 1500 range, I want Deaths Judgement back to where it was.

    https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:
    Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

    Warriors do. (Way to much actually)
    Guardians do.
    Rangers do.
    Mesmers do.
    Necromancers dont.
    Engineers do.
    Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)
    Rev's do.
    Elementalist do.

    Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

    Only helps, if you know the SB is near you.
    Also, if a skill 100 to 0 you, even passive traits that make you invulnerable won't proc

    Also, what do you do as such a SB, if you see the enemy using their invuln. Blow everything in there? I guess not

  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:
    Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

    Warriors do. (Way to much actually)
    Guardians do.
    Rangers do.
    Mesmers do.
    Necromancers dont.
    Engineers do.
    Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)
    Rev's do.
    Elementalist do.

    Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

    Only helps, if you know the SB is near you.
    Also, if a skill 100 to 0 you, even passive traits that make you invulnerable won't proc

    Also, what do you do as such a SB, if you see the enemy using their invuln. Blow everything in there? I guess not

    If its over 4 seconds im pretty sure there is a tell that signifies the start of the combo. Being revealed is a huge tell to either dodge or pop a invuln.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭

    The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

    I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

  • ZeteCommander.4937ZeteCommander.4937 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Please list tEh build that can do 30k damage bursts every 4 seconds with 45% stealth uptime. I'd like to play it. Thanks, that's all, continue the salt now.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/73516/soulbeast-is-most-broken/p1

  • @Solori.6025 said:
    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @Zenix.6198 said:
    "Just LoS" is my new favorite meme.
    Especially in node-holding gamemode.
    Finally all that dungeon farming experience pays off.

    All I'm saying is, if "Just LoS", while sound advice, justifies heavy unblockable damage from 1500 range, I want Deaths Judgement back to where it was.

    https://youtu.be/BVeZnsuY7Vc

    lmao, worth a shot

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • @FyzE.3472 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Multicolorhipster.9751 said:
    Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

    I'll show you a quality meme.

    Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

    Priceless knowledge! :D

    So if you're not hiding behind LOS every millisecond of every match that's completely on you and you deserve to die!

  • Deax.1572Deax.1572 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2019

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

    I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

    Whispers Shhh! This is not the place for reason, this is the land of emotionally fueled absurdity, blend in. Clears throat Ah yes! SB so OP, too much everything, perma stealth, 3 weapon sets, can swap in beast mode and out of beast mode with 4 pets to utilize every invuln/stealth, 30k auto attacks, Shroud even 360 no scoped a warrior through endure pain! The mad lad! Pliz nerf. /sarcasm

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Deax.1572 said:

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

    I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

    Whispers Shhh! This is not the place for reason, this is the land of emotionally fueled absurdity, blend in. Clears throat Ah yes! SB so OP, too much everything, perma stealth, 3 weapon sets, can swap in beast mode and out of beast mode with 4 pets to utilize every invuln/stealth, 30k auto attacks, Shroud even 360 no scoped a warrior through endure pain! The mad lad! Pliz nerf. /sarcasm

    Right?! Why should SLB be the first and only spec ever to get targeted by a lot of the community and "balanced" accordingly? :wink:

    It's funny when the popular classes are the OP offenders lol oh how the people change.

  • Deax.1572Deax.1572 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Deax.1572 said:

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    The soulbeast hate is amazing. This can't be from spvp. I have no issue fighting them with reaper or scoruge. Play warrior and you eat them for lunch. The maps have plenty of spots to los and they don't have good defense at all. I die way more to builds that can teleport burst like rev. That is much more dangerous if done well than pew pew. Watch Rom's stream. He isn't laying waste to people with it

    I'd much rather have glass cannon builds in the game than sustain builds. The bunker meta killed GW2 pvp.

    Whispers Shhh! This is not the place for reason, this is the land of emotionally fueled absurdity, blend in. Clears throat Ah yes! SB so OP, too much everything, perma stealth, 3 weapon sets, can swap in beast mode and out of beast mode with 4 pets to utilize every invuln/stealth, 30k auto attacks, Shroud even 360 no scoped a warrior through endure pain! The mad lad! Pliz nerf. /sarcasm

    Right?! Why should SLB be the first and only spec ever to get targeted by a lot of the community and "balanced" accordingly? :wink:

    It's funny when the popular classes are the OP offenders lol oh how the people change.

    And by balance it's:
    "Nerf it to the point where it doesn't have a single viable build so i can play what i like to play with less or nothing countering me/being an annoyance. If you do decide to 1v1 me than be prepared to get annihilated coz of mah superior skillz, but if you beat me than it's obvious to anyone that the class/buils is OP and there is nothing under the sun that can defeat it."
    Basically summarizes the whole ordeal with crying in the "pvp community" by low silver - mid gold tier players for years. This isn't new by any means, practically every class has faced this at some point and because of this emotionally filled absurdity i'm sort of glad Anet doesn't take these opinions into consideration for patches.
    In any case it was a nice chuckle, i'll get my back-piece done and for all i care this game mode can die. WvW is superior anyways. :wink: Ta ta!

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @FyzE.3472 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Multicolorhipster.9751 said:
    Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

    I'll show you a quality meme.

    Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

    Priceless knowledge! :D

    So if you're not hiding behind LOS every millisecond of every match that's completely on you and you deserve to die!

    So if you exaggerate every single statement how is it possible to talk to you? Hope you see what I mean.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭

    Soulbeast gets unlockable for a short time after they merge. If you are stuck in the open and you see a soulbeast merge Dodge. Otherwise block if you have it. Also porting behind them breaks the channel.

    the zerker version is easy to kill with a meta build.

  • @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @FyzE.3472 said:
    So if you exaggerate every single statement how is it possible to talk to you? Hope you see what I mean.

    To be fair, people are laying out precisely what they think is OP about soulbeast, and being met with LoS memes and "just dodge", so it's understandable that it would break down to absurdity very quickly. Tempest in particular was level headed regarding this pretty often, and at this point she is being sarcastic.

    At the risk of parroting, so far, comments boil down to:

    Soulbeast opening on you with longbow in the current state of the game feels unfair because of how much access they have to unblockable. This is aggravated by the fact that projectile hate that would reflect or destroy any incoming projectiles now counts as a block, which reduces counterplay to the opener.

    Also there's the fact that Longbow says it hits targets at 1500 range but it actually hits for much farther than that, so things like deadeye cannot trade with it.

    Oneshot maul feels unfair because its telegraph can be hidden by several means, including forage and leaping through a smokescale field, which you cannot rightly interrupt because standing in the field counts as an evade (If I am incorrect about that field, let me know.).

    Everything seems to stem from either a combination or a subset of those issues. If just LoSing or just dodging, while sound advice, was the correct counterplay, we would not have suffered nerfs to Deadeye and Berserker after their respective reworks, since both of those classes followed less intense versions of those mechanics. (namely, high damage from 1500 range, but there is a telegraph and it was nerfed to be blockable, and high damage up close, but there is a telegraph and the damage was nerfed by 25%.) Especially not Deadeye, since by nature of its build it cannot contest points.

    Apologies if I am misunderstanding you, but I don't think its fair to take someone's quote and say they exaggerate in every context when it is clear they do not have that tendency very frequently. Not to mention voicing that things might be overtuned seems to be met by similar exaggeration...

    @Deax.1572 said:
    And by balance it's:
    "Nerf it to the point where it doesn't have a single viable build so i can play what i like to play with less or nothing countering me/being an annoyance. If you do decide to 1v1 me than be prepared to get annihilated coz of mah superior skillz, but if you beat me than it's obvious to anyone that the class/buils is OP and there is nothing under the sun that can defeat it."
    Basically summarizes the whole ordeal with crying in the "pvp community" by low silver - mid gold tier players for years. This isn't new by any means, practically every class has faced this at some point and because of this emotionally filled absurdity i'm sort of glad Anet doesn't take these opinions into consideration for patches.
    In any case it was a nice chuckle, i'll get my back-piece done and for all i care this game mode can die. WvW is superior anyways. :wink: Ta ta!

    Spot on. And way better said than I would have. :smile:

    "JuSt dOdgE" and "JuSt LoS" are memes for a reason people. Imagine if condi-mirage were still a thing and everyone who felt it was busted was met with "JuSt cLeaNse".

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