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  • neven.3785neven.3785 Member ✭✭✭

    Prioritizes your spending more if you think this game is worth your free time. Whether it's cutting out a week of booze, getting regular coffee instead of lattes, or if you really are broke, it's a matter of putting a bit aside until you get enough to purchase. I've supported my family through some tough times and always found spending a little to buy an MMO saved a lot of money in entertainment costs. I even cut my cable once to buy a new game and support its subscription fees.

  • Kaiser.9873Kaiser.9873 Member ✭✭✭

    @charrboiledeggs.8164 said:

    @Ryan.3675 said:
    Just getting back into the game. I cannot afford any expansions, and I want to play WvW, which is one of my all time favorite game modes. I cannot keep up to my group without a mount. This game is now unplayable for me. This is a very disappointing feature that has been added. Please make it so that people without expansions can use or "rent" a mount only in WvW. It is a game killer.

    OH did you think gw2 wasn't p2w? Here's a shocker for you, buy expansions or get ran over in wvw and pvp by players with overpowered elite classes that can only be obtained via buying an expansion essentially making this game p2w.

    There are several core professions that are excellent in PvP and in WvW. I've been roaming around on a Radiant hammer guard lately, and having a blast.

  • The coms I follow don't use mounts. Why should they? With almost permanent swiftness? Mounts are only used by those who are running back - and since most classes have some speed boost option, you can do without a mount just fine.

    Warclaw is not a game changer. It is cute little addition.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    The coms I follow don't use mounts. Why should they? With almost permanent swiftness? Mounts are only used by those who are running back - and since most classes have some speed boost option, you can do without a mount just fine.

    Warclaw is not a game changer. It is cute little addition.

    Did we just agree on something... Is the world ending?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • @Cuks.8241 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    The coms I follow don't use mounts. Why should they? With almost permanent swiftness? Mounts are only used by those who are running back - and since most classes have some speed boost option, you can do without a mount just fine.

    Warclaw is not a game changer. It is cute little addition.

    Ah cmon. Warclaw is a huge game changer. Extra speed in home territories, extra evades, extra hp bar... Sorry but it changed almost all aspects of WvW. And very rarely I see commanders that don't run with it. I mean the response to what is happening on maps is just to slow these days.

    so rangers can't gank passing by lone zerglings while being out of range for any counter attack is a game changer? Rangers should be glad, because with warclaw there is slightly less pressure to nerf this profession into oblivion. For everybody else there is no real change.

  • @Kaiser.9873 said:

    @charrboiledeggs.8164 said:

    @Ryan.3675 said:
    Just getting back into the game. I cannot afford any expansions, and I want to play WvW, which is one of my all time favorite game modes. I cannot keep up to my group without a mount. This game is now unplayable for me. This is a very disappointing feature that has been added. Please make it so that people without expansions can use or "rent" a mount only in WvW. It is a game killer.

    OH did you think gw2 wasn't p2w? Here's a shocker for you, buy expansions or get ran over in wvw and pvp by players with overpowered elite classes that can only be obtained via buying an expansion essentially making this game p2w.

    There are several core professions that are excellent in PvP and in WvW. I've been roaming around on a Radiant hammer guard lately, and having a blast.

    That doesnt mean its not p2w

  • @neven.3785 said:
    Prioritizes your spending more if you think this game is worth your free time. Whether it's cutting out a week of booze, getting regular coffee instead of lattes, or if you really are broke, it's a matter of putting a bit aside until you get enough to purchase. I've supported my family through some tough times and always found spending a little to buy an MMO saved a lot of money in entertainment costs. I even cut my cable once to buy a new game and support its subscription fees.

    You're literally making excuses for the game being p2w

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭✭

    p2w would have to imply that you are paying to win something. what exactly are you winning in wvw?

    Spectre [VII] - Wood League Champion. Making "fight guilds" stack on higher tiers since 2013.
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  • grouchybhaal.4275grouchybhaal.4275 Member ✭✭✭

    While we are asking for things.... Can i get a free legendary because i dont wanna pay for it... Greatsword would be nice but a hammer would be ok aswell

  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    @shiri.4257 said:
    p2w would have to imply that you are paying to win something. what exactly are you winning in wvw?

    P2W implies paying for an advantage, not necessarily winning.

  • shiri.4257shiri.4257 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @shiri.4257 said:
    p2w would have to imply that you are paying to win something. what exactly are you winning in wvw?

    P2W implies paying for an advantage, not necessarily winning.

    implying $20 over 2 years requires some magnificent feat of skill.

    Spectre [VII] - Wood League Champion. Making "fight guilds" stack on higher tiers since 2013.
    Michelin rated WvW guild since 2015. The gold standard. Never transferred, never reformed, adapting and reloading with or without Anet.

  • Kaiser.9873Kaiser.9873 Member ✭✭✭

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @shiri.4257 said:
    p2w would have to imply that you are paying to win something. what exactly are you winning in wvw?

    P2W implies paying for an advantage, not necessarily winning.

    Don't really think most players feel like buying an expansion is P2W. Buying an expansion is all about keeping the game afloat. Remember Death Knights? The tankmage of WoW. Had to buy the expansion to be able to play them.

  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kaiser.9873 said:

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @shiri.4257 said:
    p2w would have to imply that you are paying to win something. what exactly are you winning in wvw?

    P2W implies paying for an advantage, not necessarily winning.

    Don't really think most players feel like buying an expansion is P2W. Buying an expansion is all about keeping the game afloat. Remember Death Knights? The tankmage of WoW. Had to buy the expansion to be able to play them.

    Yep, you did. But blizzard didnt screw the balance of other classes to make it so you had to buy DK. Plus level cap increase separated the pvp for those who didnt buy the expacs on release. This game does neither of those.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Legendary Defender.5631 said:

    @neven.3785 said:
    Prioritizes your spending more if you think this game is worth your free time. Whether it's cutting out a week of booze, getting regular coffee instead of lattes, or if you really are broke, it's a matter of putting a bit aside until you get enough to purchase. I've supported my family through some tough times and always found spending a little to buy an MMO saved a lot of money in entertainment costs. I even cut my cable once to buy a new game and support its subscription fees.

    You're literally making excuses for the game being p2w

    You seem to be confusing P2W (which GW2 is not) and B2P with a free trial (which GW2 is)

  • I agree with what others have said, warclaws should be available to all WvW players regardless of PoF ownership. They have enough problems with WvW retention, why create this barrier to interest more people.

    And honestly I think introducing mounts into WvW was a bad idea. A very minority opinion I'm sure, but I don't like the fact you can basically be anywhere on the map in a matter of seconds. Might as well have put incontestable waypoints everywhere.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2019

    Even if this game is P2W, it's irrelevant. If you need to pay to compete at the same level as everyone else who has paid, then so be it. Pay up. If you don't, don't claim you are unfairly treated because you don't get the same advantages as a non-paying customer. That's just ridiculous. > @Bishop.2690 said:

    I agree with what others have said, warclaws should be available to all WvW players regardless of PoF ownership. They have enough problems with WvW retention, why create this barrier to interest more people.

    Sure ... but the problem is that these people who didn't want to buy PoF are probably less likely to pay for mount access in WvW, so it's not really a solution (Less assume that there must be some sort of payment for this access). Basically, they just want what others have paid for ... free. And that's unreasonable and ridiculous.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • hunkamania.7561hunkamania.7561 Member ✭✭✭✭

    they put mounts in there to get some quick bucks and left it high and dry lol No PoF? hahaha good luck keeping up with the blob where everything gets one shot with power creep engaging enemies with 15 seconds of stealth. By the time you catch up on foot everything is dead.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    buy expansion

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So you can afford an internet service provider and a pc, but not 30 euros on xpac? Sounds pure greed to me.

  • @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    So you can afford an internet service provider and a pc, but not 30 euros on xpac? Sounds pure greed to me.

    I bought the game in 2012. Then played the beta expansions and my Pc couldnt move that sheet. Im not gonna pay 30euros to play at 2fps.

  • I didn't like the way Anet implemented Gliders and Mounts in WvW.
    I would have preferred 1 or 2 dedicated maps in which to use them, keeping out the f2p profiles. I did not pay for the expansions to get benefits on WvW players.

    I like the idea of a rental or something that puts everyone on the same level. The difference must be only in the equipment and specializations.

  • @iKeostuKen.2738 said:
    Yep, you did. But blizzard didnt screw the balance of other classes to make it so you had to buy DK. Plus level cap increase separated the pvp for those who didnt buy the expacs on release. This game does neither of those.

    That's not true, because the release of the DK completely destroyed the Lv.60 twink meta.

    60 twinks were still extremely popular during this time and upon release, but the DK could basically start at level 60 and be an absolute powerhouse in battlegrounds compared to people who put hundreds of hours into their 60 twinks of another class. AV turned into nothing but 50% DKs just spamming death grip and within weeks the 60 twink population completely crashed and never revived.

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2020

    In many other situations I tend to be for upholding the models that involve paying and subscribing.

    When it comes to the WvW mount that is a notable exception for two very important reasons:

    1. ArenaNet have shared as part of their vision for GW2 that old content should not be invalidated. The mount in a competetive mode does just that. It invalidates prior purchases (vanilla, HoT, being competetive).

    2. I may not be a friend of F2P options in general (I tend to find the negatives outweighing the positives) but since they went ahead and introduced them: The mount disqualifies the entire reason for having F2P options. It makes it so we only reap the negatives of F2P (alts, spies, pinsnipers, tacters, hackers, trolls etc., people with no investment in their accounts) without reaping the benefits (introducing new real players to the mode who want to sample before purchase). The mount drives those players away.

    So, while I personally do not want the developers to waste any more time on the mount fiasco (and just leave it to rot which they have done with far more important things in WvW), they recently announced that the Q1 '20 work on WvW is yet again all about the mount. Then, any changes that does not include rental or freebie options to put all players on equal footing in this competetive mode is another failure of monumental proportions since it rocks the very foundation of this mode and makes the mode worse for everyone, not just the people without PoF.

    In fact, I would just have made the mount baseline for WvW by now to not waste more time on building a rental system. Why would you even spend time on that? That is just stupid greed. Maybe they could sell a few skins off a free mount to the PoF-less instead. It may seem like splitting hairs but it is a pretty big difference between introducing a convenience item and an inconvenience item. One is a service the other is disgusting P2W practises even if it targets the low end rather than the high end.

  • Slick.7164Slick.7164 Member ✭✭✭

    You not have to pay. Switch your ftp accounts that you use for spying with your main account that is hiding on a server that is trying to manipulate. Or quit being cheap and buy the game on your ftp accounts. Shake those razor blades and fish hooks out of your pockets.

  • miguelsil.6324miguelsil.6324 Member ✭✭✭

    @iKeostuKen.2738 said:

    @Balthazzarr.1349 said:
    I almost hate to say this but seriously, the rest of us paid and paid again and did all the grinding. Sorry but it’s part of keeping the game makers in business, as well as being fair to the thousands that paid the price.

    Lets be honest, No one bought this expac for a mount in WvW. This is the worst reasoning for why it shouldnt be for everyone.

    I Did, could not care less for the elites ( that are terrible) nor the pve parts. I agree with the OP Wvw is different from other game modes and mount is too much of a change to be limited to the expac. ( mounts in wvw have much more use so should be bind to expac)