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7700k vs 8700k specific to single thread and specific to this game.

Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

In 1920 x1080 respectively - which would be best or are they pretty much neck and neck for our game??

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  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 4

    Assuming running them at the same clockspeeds they will probably perform about equal, since GW2 is not using more cores well. A 8700k is just a 7700k with 2 more cores and 4mb more cache. The cache might give a very small fps boost in some situations.
    If you plan to play other games in future, the 8700k will be the better bet.

    First person to reach 35,000 and 36,000 AP.

  • dzeka.5317dzeka.5317 Member ✭✭

    lol what a waste of money, this game have low req. im pyaing it withh 4770 and gtx 770 2 gb one 16gb ddr3 1600mhz, evrything maxed 1920 x1080.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭

    @dzeka.5317 said:
    lol what a waste of money, this game have low req. im pyaing it withh 4770 and gtx 770 2 gb one 16gb ddr3 1600mhz, evrything maxed 1920 x1080.

    Not a waste of money, the game is very much CPU bound. Especially when playing in zergs every little bit of single core performance helps

    First person to reach 35,000 and 36,000 AP.

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    @dzeka.5317 said:
    lol what a waste of money, this game have low req. im pyaing it withh 4770 and gtx 770 2 gb one 16gb ddr3 1600mhz, evrything maxed 1920 x1080.

    I'll await your video showing us maxed settings + Lions Arch roaming in stated resolution. Please don't forget to also raise field of view. Thank you.

  • dzeka.5317dzeka.5317 Member ✭✭
    edited October 4

    i know u gonna say that i will post it , on single 24 inch monitor with passive resolution 1920 x1080 u dont need some imba gaming rig ,

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭
    edited October 4

    You have one shot. Thanks.
    The frames per second and your settings must be shown. In case you didn't know already.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭

    @dzeka.5317 said:
    i know u gonna say that i will post it , on single 24 inch monitor with passive resolution 1920 x1080 u dont need some imba gaming rig ,

    You realize that you need a stronger CPU if you play in lower resolutions? 144fps at 1080p will be more work (2.4x) for the CPU than 4k at 60 fps

    First person to reach 35,000 and 36,000 AP.

  • dzeka.5317dzeka.5317 Member ✭✭

    got clip just to upload it evrything maxed ull see no lagg at all

  • Fermi.2409Fermi.2409 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 4

    got clip just to upload it evrything maxed ull see no lagg at all

    Still waiting on that upload

    If you're dishing out the money for a 7700k you might as well wait a little bit until motherboards are cheaper and get an 8700k imo. Or just get an 8700k.

    In either case you're going to do about the same in GW2, but other games/applications might see some advantages from the 8700k

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  • DeWolfe.2174DeWolfe.2174 Member ✭✭

    Neither is needed and either will have more than enough FPS. You really should have the limiter set to 60 anyway.

  • Fermi.2409Fermi.2409 Member ✭✭✭

    @DeWolfe.2174 said:
    You really should have the limiter set to 60 anyway.

    That depends on the monitor you're running

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  • dzeka.5317dzeka.5317 Member ✭✭

    @Malediktus.9250 said:

    @dzeka.5317 said:
    i know u gonna say that i will post it , on single 24 inch monitor with passive resolution 1920 x1080 u dont need some imba gaming rig ,

    You realize that you need a stronger CPU if you play in lower resolutions? 144fps at 1080p will be more work (2.4x) for the CPU than 4k at 60 fps

    im not talking about 144fps i told u that i can run it on my pc maxed with old graphic card and got like 40 fps avg.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=GM0dqsdI4G8

    and beleve me cpu is not prior graphic card is no1 especialy vram

  • Fermi.2409Fermi.2409 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 4

    40FPS (aka laggy) while sitting motionless with a lowered FoV, sounds about right to me. Also nice zooming wayyy in and closing the framerate monitor when you run around

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  • dzeka.5317dzeka.5317 Member ✭✭

    laggy may kitten beleve or noti maxed evrything on settings , no need to lie especialy on this i just wanna tell that cpu ist that much prior as gpu it is important but its not no1. but i would like to see that 144k fps max set. on 24 inch full hd monitor plz

  • Neftex.7594Neftex.7594 Member ✭✭

    @dzeka.5317 said:
    laggy may kitten beleve or noti maxed evrything on settings , no need to lie especialy on this i just wanna tell that cpu ist that much prior as gpu it is important but its not no1. but i would like to see that 144k fps max set. on 24 inch full hd monitor plz

    if you want to convince anyone you should show hardware info tool to confirm what youre running
    max graphics settings (btw Effect LOD should be off), max camera field of view and distances
    fps meter must be always visible
    stay near players (dont run into empty parts of lions arch), or even better go into big wvw fight (50vs50)

    gl

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭

    @DeWolfe.2174 said:
    Neither is needed and either will have more than enough FPS. You really should have the limiter set to 60 anyway.

    Not really. The trend is going towards higher fps monitors. 100, 120, 144 are getting more common. There are even a couple of 240 hz monitors.

    First person to reach 35,000 and 36,000 AP.

  • A waste of money? Hm. Well, it's definitely faster than the 7700K, has a high frequency and has beaten the 1700X in workstation benchmarks. If I had it my way, I'd get the 8700K and pair it with 2 8GB 4133MHz memory. I'm only using a 6700 non K but going from 2133MHz to 3200MHz gave me 5 - 10 FPS astonishingly.

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    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827&cm_re=8700K--19-117-827--Product

  • onevstheworld.2419onevstheworld.2419 Member ✭✭✭

    From reading online, Coffee Lake gets it's performance boost by increased clock speed... IPC seems to be the same as Kaby Lake. So if you're willing to overclock, a 7700K will probably perform similarly on non-multicore-optimized games like GW2.

    https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/10/05/intel_coffee_lake_core_i58600k_vs_7600k_at_5ghz_review/5

    In any case, both chips run hot... so make sure you budget for a good cooler, maybe even a AIO water cooler, if you plan to get them running at those speeds.

  • @onevstheworld.2419 said:
    From reading online, Coffee Lake gets it's performance boost by increased clock speed... IPC seems to be the same as Kaby Lake. So if you're willing to overclock, a 7700K will probably perform similarly on non-multicore-optimized games like GW2.

    https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/10/05/intel_coffee_lake_core_i58600k_vs_7600k_at_5ghz_review/5

    In any case, both chips run hot... so make sure you budget for a good cooler, maybe even a AIO water cooler, if you plan to get them running at those speeds.

    Thats not true. The i7 8700k runs cooler then the i7 7700k. Test shows that the i7 8700k clocks to 5.0GHz witout any problems on all cores with veary litle voltage increas on air coolers for 24/7 use. Most i7 8700k runs 5.0GHz on all cores at 1.350V. If you do that on a i7 7700k you will need a aio or the veary best air coolers to run 24/7

  • Fermi.2409Fermi.2409 Member ✭✭✭

    so make sure you budget for a good cooler, maybe even a AIO water cooler

    I definitely agree with the "good cooler" plan but I'd recommend checking out benchmarks before buying stuff. A lot of AIOs aren't better then high end air coolers much if at all

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  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭
    edited October 6

    I picked up a 300 board and plan on using my Noctua NH cooler. It's cooled my HAWT i7 Ivy Bridge all this time so; we'll see.

  • Engelsstaub.4356Engelsstaub.4356 Member ✭✭

    No point going 8700K. Get an i5-8600K, it has the best single thread performance and 6 cores which is just the best for games.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭

    I agree, 8600k, should be good enough.

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    I'm thinking of even going i5 8400 for gaming. I wish I knew what I was doing!

  • Fermi.2409Fermi.2409 Member ✭✭✭

    I'd opt for an unlocked processor. It'll cost more money but you can get a pretty hefty performance boost with a reasonable overclock. It's pretty easy to hit high clockspeeds on Intel's new stuff.

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  • Its true. The 8600K is definitely good enough especially since its way cheaper and can beat a 7700K. That doesn't mean its better than an 8700 or 8700K just because it has the best single thread. The i3 kaby lake had that too, but it was still just an i3.

    All of this in the end comes down to how much you're willing to spend. Whatever's in your budget of not just money, but waiting and saving, is the right thing for you. Just be glad the 8700K isn't like 500+ $$$. You may as well wait around and save up for it. Getting any batch after the first shipment of CPUs helps avoid any issues they might fix later. Its more common than one might think to happen. So there's some peace of mind, for you.

  • Loli Ruri.8307Loli Ruri.8307 Member ✭✭

    You guys and your 1080p and 7700K and 8700K talk. I'm doing 4790K with gtx 1080 SLI, virtual reality stereoscopics. A situation where a lot of graphical horsepower and CPU power is needed.

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    @Loli Ruri.8307 said:
    You guys and your 1080p and 7700K and 8700K talk. I'm doing 4790K with gtx 1080 SLI, virtual reality stereoscopics. A situation where a lot of graphical horsepower and CPU power is needed.

    You best take the leap to the 8700k then for much neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeded horsey ride you require.

  • DeWolfe.2174DeWolfe.2174 Member ✭✭

    GW2 will use more than one thread, plan for it. Go for the 8700k if you can afford it. Still disagree with the desire to run above 60fps anyway. Rather have cool and consistent FPS then wildly varying ones. All the while taxing the system to run it. Save the system, run the limiter.

    Oh and the 8700k is still only 97watts. Most air coolers were designed for 135w cpu's. So it'll run cool with most good air coolers if you have good flow in the case.

  • Loli Ruri.8307Loli Ruri.8307 Member ✭✭

    @Maze.3825 said:

    @Loli Ruri.8307 said:
    You guys and your 1080p and 7700K and 8700K talk. I'm doing 4790K with gtx 1080 SLI, virtual reality stereoscopics. A situation where a lot of graphical horsepower and CPU power is needed.

    You best take the leap to the 8700k then for much neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeded horsey ride you require.

    The problem will be, replacing all that beautiful ram that I got with this system. To be honest, unless they increase the PCI Express lanes to allow 16 + 16, or there is a dramatic improvement of single core performance, I don't see much point in upgrading.

  • Trymex.7081Trymex.7081 Member

    Maybe some1 got 8th gen Intel pc, and can post some info how it performs in zergs?

  • Maze.3825Maze.3825 Member ✭✭

    The new chip , ram, motherboard are hugely more effective in this game for me vs. the i7 3770k i had.

  • One thing to remember, if you go 7th gen you need the 200 series, 8th gen must have the 300 series. They are NOT backwards/forwards compatible. IE: The 7700 cannot and will not run on the 370 and the 8700 cannot run on the 270.

    As for performance, from what I am seeing it is about a 10-15% single core increase, and multi core brings it up to par with some instances of being better than the Ryzen 1800X.

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  • @Zinchmwah.2067 said:
    A waste of money? Hm. Well, it's definitely faster than the 7700K, has a high frequency and has beaten the 1700X in workstation benchmarks. If I had it my way, I'd get the 8700K and pair it with 2 8GB 4133MHz memory. I'm only using a 6700 non K but going from 2133MHz to 3200MHz gave me 5 - 10 FPS...

    Well mate thats waste of money yoir 5 to 10 fps are ate 2800 or 3000 MHz. Everything higher wont bring you much performance for the money. There are many tests on youtube from professional PC Builder and Overclocker. 4133MHz gives you maybe 3 to 6 fps more than on 3200MHz but you have to pay a lot more money for it. With 3000MHz or even with 2666 MHz you are more than fine. grab a new cpu and you get way more fps for the same amount of money lile 4133 MHz rams

  • Kampfbaer.2680Kampfbaer.2680 Member
    edited December 7

    i7-8700k 6 Cores 12 threads 12MB vs
    i5-8600k 6 cores 6 threads 9MB
    To be honest if you have the money go for the i7. If you are replacing your CPU every 2 years go for the i5. If you have a 1080 you can go for the i5. If you have a 1080 ti you should go for the i7 because the i5 can bottleneck your 1080ti in some programms/games. The best for a long time solution (4+ generation until change) go for the i7. And dont ask me in which one os bottlenecking thats just from a database which is collecting datas from nearly every programm and game.
    The i7 will give you a performance boost in every game which is CPU related but it can be pretty small maybe not worth the money you spend.

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