Why I will never be able to get a Skyscale. — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Why I will never be able to get a Skyscale.

I have been playing GW2 for over 6 years now and I love the game. GW 2 is one of the very few games I can play being disabled. I have a broken neck and have lost the use of my hands, so I play GW2 with special gloves and a stick in each glove. Because I type with sticks I cannot feel where the keys are and I have to look at the keyboard when I play which means I take my eyes off the screen all the time.

I have spent many days doing the skycale achievements and spent +- 90 gold on Extra-Pungent Skyscale Treat so I did not have to do the jumping puzzles for the Skyscale Lost achievement. I have gone through all of this only to be defeated by a ball because I'm not fast enough to catch it during the Skyscale Reflexes achievement. Catching a ball has nothing to do with flying a skyscale! Arenanet, please change it or make a way for me to bypass it - I want my skyscale!

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  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That is pretty impressive you got this far.!! I hope someone else can do it for you, or where do you fail, at the easy or the harder one? I think I did it with my rev because of the speed of the char.

  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That's a bummer. I'm hearing similar stories from guildmates who have a slower connection or have dexterity issues. Does a trusted family member or friend play GW2? If so you could give them temp access to your account and let them do the task. Or if they could physically come over and do it, that would be awesome.

    And I hear you. I cannot do the Sanctum Scramble requirement for an elite spec weapon, so I'll never get it. I even asked Customer Support for help, to no avail. Good luck!

  • zeldara.4127zeldara.4127 Member ✭✭

    I wish I could do it for you. But I definitely would not recommend giving account info to a stranger, even if they seem well meaning. So maybe a friend, family member. It won;t take them long and you don't need to know the game at all or have skill with the game skills for it. Just the one thing that is difficult for you due to your disability, fast nimble reflexes and movement. And also kudos for getting this far. I hope that you have tons of fun in the game now and in the future.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Quad.8625 said:
    I have been playing GW2 for over 6 years now and I love the game. GW 2 is one of the very few games I can play being disabled. I have a broken neck and have lost the use of my hands, so I play GW2 with special gloves and a stick in each glove. Because I type with sticks I cannot feel where the keys are and I have to look at the keyboard when I play which means I take my eyes off the screen all the time.

    I have spent many days doing the skycale achievements and spent +- 90 gold on Extra-Pungent Skyscale Treat so I did not have to do the jumping puzzles for the Skyscale Lost achievement. I have gone through all of this only to be defeated by a ball because I'm not fast enough to catch it during the Skyscale Reflexes achievement. Catching a ball has nothing to do with flying a skyscale! Arenanet, please change it or make a way for me to bypass it - I want my skyscale!

    Not sure it's allowed but I'd be willing to do the ball part for you; I understand your reasoning but im always down to help people out. Shoot me a message if you want and Ill do it when im online; So no need to fret mate we got you.

  • Zeefa.3915Zeefa.3915 Member ✭✭✭

    Personally I enjoyed playing games with the skyscale, although I have no real issues it still took a few tries on the last fetch game. I definitely see your problem, admittedly I would have never thought of it, if you hadn't brought it up.

    I definitely feel like there should be some sort of solution somehow, its such a small part of the skyscale collection/achievements, when you look at the overall thing, that it really is kinda depressing that some people can't continue from that. If ANet wont do anything, I do hope you find another solution.

  • octagon.6504octagon.6504 Member ✭✭

    OP, you're better than me. I saw the list of requirements and decided the work wasn't worth the reward. Hang in there you've come so far already I'm sure you're complete the tasks set before you.

  • alphafert.6730alphafert.6730 Member ✭✭✭

    I have yet to get this far but what about portals? How many movements & is it a repeated pattern?

  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    It’s ok. You don’t need it anyways. It’s not a good mount.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @alphafert.6730 said:
    I have yet to get this far but what about portals? How many movements & is it a repeated pattern?

    If you mean the sky rifts, those are just a matter of steering the skyscale to hover at the start, then follow the little sky trail from mote to mote until you get to the end rift (can be a little tense if you have to ascend fast enough to hit the next mote before you start sinking). If you only get volatile magics with no trail, nom a few and go back to hover and restart the little minigame.

    OP, I hope you have someone you can have play that one bit for you. Preferably with you signing in so they don't know your password, of course. It's fantastic you've gotten this far as it is, in a game designed for mouse and keyboard input.

    One thing you might try, which might not work if you really can't see the screen and work the controls at the same time, is to set your camera to a far out zoom, pan up, and point down at the ground, then rotate a bit to spot the next white circle. The direction you are facing doesn't matter for the catch, you will automatically toss it back to the skyscale even if you are facing the wall. So all you have to do is get into the circle asap then ready yourself to find the next one. The suggestion another made above about thief crossbow might help, if you are able to swiftly ground target and press 5. Here's hoping!

  • what's your hometown btw? would be lucky but....

  • daydreamer.3092daydreamer.3092 Member ✭✭
    edited June 3, 2019

    @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:
    Hi,

    The development team heard your feedback and are looking into it. We'll let you know as soon as we've been able to determine if anything can be done!

    Thank you.

    nice :)

  • bird.5920bird.5920 Member ✭✭

    I just posted this in another thread but I'll put it here as well for this OP:

    @bird.5920 said:
    I had this exact same problem, except it was due to satellite internet latency. I had to lug my heavy desktop computer to a friend's house just to complete the hard difficulty catch game. I used every conceivable tip from others but it was actually impossible until I physically moved across town to a house with cable internet. Even with teleports on the lowest graphic settings with a glyph of speed, the speed boost mushrooms, and run speed booster, the latency itself made it so no matter what I tried, being in the circle wouldn't count. It's good to see ANet taking a look into the issue for players in similar situations; I was lucky it was just the connection and not my actual computer stopping me from getting the achievement! Best of luck to OP, by the way.

  • Here's a thought: can you bring other people into your instance with you and have them participate in the game of catch, therefore giving you some extra bodies on the field to work with?

  • Lady Celtaine.3760Lady Celtaine.3760 Member ✭✭✭

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @The Quad.8625 said:
    I have been playing GW2 for over 6 years now and I love the game. GW 2 is one of the very few games I can play being disabled. I have a broken neck and have lost the use of my hands, so I play GW2 with special gloves and a stick in each glove. Because I type with sticks I cannot feel where the keys are and I have to look at the keyboard when I play which means I take my eyes off the screen all the time.

    I have spent many days doing the skycale achievements and spent +- 90 gold on Extra-Pungent Skyscale Treat so I did not have to do the jumping puzzles for the Skyscale Lost achievement. I have gone through all of this only to be defeated by a ball because I'm not fast enough to catch it during the Skyscale Reflexes achievement. Catching a ball has nothing to do with flying a skyscale! Arenanet, please change it or make a way for me to bypass it - I want my skyscale!

    Thanks, I was thinking about making a thread how this was ability gated but feared it would be merged with another issue.

    My issue is epilepsy. There are at least 2 things you have to do to complete it with flashing lights which can trigger photosensitive seizures. I was not even able to get that far as my brain had a strong feeling of vertigo trying to fly up the wing, which I know from experience can set off a seizure as well. To the people who are laughing at this: yes, brains do not always make sense, why do you think 'rides' at amusement parks that barely move warn of motion sickness?

    I would strongly urge they have someone on their playtesting or dev teams with a disability. They would point out these gotchas, even if the person might not be personally impacted by them.

    ET over here. (Essential tremors, not the alien.) I managed it but only just. I don't have it as bad as others in the family but when the tremors came on I really had to slam on the keys to make sure I hit them. I would appreciate someone with a motor skill impairment to be part of future beta tests for new content too.

  • Healix.5819Healix.5819 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    They should have had these things like hearts. Rather than completing easy/medium/hard, it should have simply been a point system based on catching the balls, weighted by the difficulty, plus a bonus for completing the round. If that's still too difficult, pet it daily for a 15% completion. Similarly, the feeding gate shouldn't have been reduced, there should have been alternatives to speed it up, such as feeding it the later pungent treats or a unique treat from a random world boss or meta.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    So sorry. I should not respond in the middle of night, half asleep. My deepest apology.

  • Chichimec.9364Chichimec.9364 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:
    Hi,

    The development team heard your feedback and are looking into it. We'll let you know as soon as we've been able to determine if anything can be done!

    Thank you.

    I hope you can do something for the op. As someone who has physical issues of their own, I also hope the development team will keep in mind that by gating things behind jumping puzzles and fast reflex achievements, they are locking out those of us who are physically incapable of doing such things. Offering an alternative to the Skyscale jps is good. Hopefully Anet will offer more options like that.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    I feel ashamed and can't apologize enough. ANet should simply send you an unlock item for this collection step. Also, there should be assistance for impaired people in several departments regarding difficult content that requires fast movement. Even ego shooters have it to some extent.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's refreshing to see the posters in this thread who are willing to play the game to receive their rewards after seeing so many unwilling players facing lesser challenges. I hope it is possible for anet to meet them halfway . . .

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Feohtan.4039 said:
    Have put a ticket in and hope something will happen

    Don't worry, I am certain the support team will figure something out, especially now that the devs are aware of the issue. GW2 has the best support after all.

  • Wahlao.1069Wahlao.1069 Member ✭✭

    I also faced problems at the hard level.
    I had to switch to my herald, and turned on swiftness facet.
    What helped also was to toggle action camera (c button), I kept the white dot in the direction of the skyscale, and managed to complete the 12 catches.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NanoEliteSixSixSix.8935 said:
    Here's a thought: can you bring other people into your instance with you and have them participate in the game of catch, therefore giving you some extra bodies on the field to work with?

    If it's not already possible I think that should definitely be changed. Not even necessarily as a solution to the OP's problem, just because I think it would make sense in a multiplayer game to be able to do this with friends. In real life games like this are more fun with more people, I think it would be in the same in GW2.

    (Maybe everyone who is working on the achievement could have their skyscales appearing and then you toss the ball between whichever of the humans is in the circle and all the skyscales. But that might require more additional work than just enabling multiple people to play with 1 skyscale.

    Danielle Aurorel - Desolation EU. Mini Collector.

    "In this town, we call home, everyone hail to the pumpkin song! In this town, don't we love it now? Everyone's waiting for the next surprise!"

  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:
    Hi,

    The development team heard your feedback and are looking into it. We'll let you know as soon as we've been able to determine if anything can be done!

    Thank you.

    I know the devs want people to complete the story and collection chain but how about some kind of work around for helping people get skyscales that involve a community effort to contribute towards them being easier to get somewhat like that recent mystic forge event. A group unlock for players who have PoF and LWS4. I got my skyscale probably a day after those who started on the day of the patch release however I wouldn't mind being helpful to others as part of a large group event. Maybe a large skyscale breeding effort to save the species. A group event called "Save the Skyscales!" that would go to building a safe rookery for them. The players would contribute materials such as wood and mithril also the players have to give up their skyscale for 24 hours towards the breeding effort.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:

    @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:
    Hi,

    The development team heard your feedback and are looking into it. We'll let you know as soon as we've been able to determine if anything can be done!

    Thank you.

    I know the devs want people to complete the story and collection chain but how about some kind of work around for helping people get skyscales that involve a community effort to contribute towards them being easier to get somewhat like that recent mystic forge event. A group unlock for players who have PoF and LWS4. I got my skyscale probably a day after those who started on the day of the patch release however I wouldn't mind being helpful to others as part of a large group event. Maybe a large skyscale breeding effort to save the species. A group event called "Save the Skyscales!" that would go to building a safe rookery for them. The players would contribute materials such as wood and mithril also the players have to give up their skyscale for 24 hours towards the breeding effort.

    While this would certainly help those unable (for personal or technical reasons) to get past that collection step, it would at the same time take that step away from everybody else that hasn't gotten that far yet and make them unable to experience it.

    Instead of invalidating a part of the process for everyone that didn't rush it I'd rather see an individual solution like several mentioned in this thread. Allow the minigame to be played by a party rather than an individual. That way you'd be able to get past it with the help of others just like you can in most story instances in this game. And/or add a special, craftable, tradeable ball (like the treats for the jp part of the collection) as an alternative. I'm sure ANet will figure out a creative solution for this. The fact that they implemented something similar with the jp part of the collection makes me think that they are in fact considering disabilities and technical problems when designing their content.

  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Tekoneiric.6817 said:
    I know the devs want people to complete the story and collection chain but how about some kind of work around for helping people get skyscales that involve a community effort to contribute towards them being easier to get somewhat like that recent mystic forge event. A group unlock for players who have PoF and LWS4. I got my skyscale probably a day after those who started on the day of the patch release however I wouldn't mind being helpful to others as part of a large group event. Maybe a large skyscale breeding effort to save the species. A group event called "Save the Skyscales!" that would go to building a safe rookery for them. The players would contribute materials such as wood and mithril also the players have to give up their skyscale for 24 hours towards the breeding effort.

    While this would certainly help those unable (for personal or technical reasons) to get past that collection step, it would at the same time take that step away from everybody else that hasn't gotten that far yet and make them unable to experience it.

    Instead of invalidating a part of the process for everyone that didn't rush it I'd rather see an individual solution like several mentioned in this thread. Allow the minigame to be played by a party rather than an individual. That way you'd be able to get past it with the help of others just like you can in most story instances in this game. And/or add a special, craftable, tradeable ball (like the treats for the jp part of the collection) as an alternative. I'm sure ANet will figure out a creative solution for this. The fact that they implemented something similar with the jp part of the collection makes me think that they are in fact considering disabilities and technical problems when designing their content.

    It doesn't have to be totally free; just community effort to get them most of the way. If they want to take the hard path they still could. Add a title on the current hard path. Something like Skyscale Wrangler.

    Any method to get skyscales quicker means that more players will have them to purchase skins quicker.

  • Not to be rude or sound offencive but this thread makes me cringe.

    Specifically the eternal issues that game developers have to deal with: Accessibility vs gameplay
    At the end of the day you cant cater to all people and you have to make choices. GW2 tends to cater to alot of people with has its own merits but it sacrifices for this mainly in the difficulty department.
    Take the ball catching I personally enjoyed it it was a novel albeit not too challenging mini-game. Now to make this more "accessable" would be to "reduce" its difficulty so the OP could perform it easily. Though this would likely deprive players of enjoyment.

    At the end of the day you have to make sure core assumptions about players when making your game. Like heres a few obvious ones speaking X language. The ability to perform basic reasoning etc.

    All I can say for OP is well that sucks. Maybe Anet like so many times before can provide a intersting solution that keep most parties happy but well GL with that like the hardcore community in this game your the minority so I wouldnt expect too much.

  • Lady Celtaine.3760Lady Celtaine.3760 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    I feel ashamed and can't apologize enough. ANet should simply send you an unlock item for this collection step. Also, there should be assistance for impaired people in several departments regarding difficult content that requires fast movement. Even ego shooters have it to some extent.

    It's OK, sleepy brain posts happen. I was going to reply to you last night that it wasn't about character speed in game but player reflexes being hindered but then decided against posting and just went to sleep. Glad I did, rather than have it escalate over a misunderstanding.

    I'm inclined to agree with some other posters about being able to do the ball catch as a party (just like in personal story where a friend's kill count counted as your own as the instance owner) as a viable solution and leaving the difficulty as is for those that want to solo for more of a challenge.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @The Quad.8625 said:
    I have been playing GW2 for over 6 years now and I love the game. GW 2 is one of the very few games I can play being disabled. I have a broken neck and have lost the use of my hands, so I play GW2 with special gloves and a stick in each glove. Because I type with sticks I cannot feel where the keys are and I have to look at the keyboard when I play which means I take my eyes off the screen all the time.

    I have spent many days doing the skycale achievements and spent +- 90 gold on Extra-Pungent Skyscale Treat so I did not have to do the jumping puzzles for the Skyscale Lost achievement. I have gone through all of this only to be defeated by a ball because I'm not fast enough to catch it during the Skyscale Reflexes achievement. Catching a ball has nothing to do with flying a skyscale! Arenanet, please change it or make a way for me to bypass it - I want my skyscale!

    I wish I could help you... While for me it was just super easy, for some it may be a big struggle.

    If not for fun you will be having doing those collections, I would make a petition for Anet to give you Skyscale instantly.

    I am with you and your story touched me very deep!

    The wound is the place where the Light enters you ~Stephane Lo Presti

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @sorudo.9054 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @The Quad.8625 said:
    I have been playing GW2 for over 6 years now and I love the game. GW 2 is one of the very few games I can play being disabled. I have a broken neck and have lost the use of my hands, so I play GW2 with special gloves and a stick in each glove. Because I type with sticks I cannot feel where the keys are and I have to look at the keyboard when I play which means I take my eyes off the screen all the time.

    I have spent many days doing the skycale achievements and spent +- 90 gold on Extra-Pungent Skyscale Treat so I did not have to do the jumping puzzles for the Skyscale Lost achievement. I have gone through all of this only to be defeated by a ball because I'm not fast enough to catch it during the Skyscale Reflexes achievement. Catching a ball has nothing to do with flying a skyscale! Arenanet, please change it or make a way for me to bypass it - I want my skyscale!

    Thanks, I was thinking about making a thread how this was ability gated but feared it would be merged with another issue.

    My issue is epilepsy. There are at least 2 things you have to do to complete it with flashing lights which can trigger photosensitive seizures. I was not even able to get that far as my brain had a strong feeling of vertigo trying to fly up the wing, which I know from experience can set off a seizure as well. To the people who are laughing at this: yes, brains do not always make sense, why do you think 'rides' at amusement parks that barely move warn of motion sickness?

    I would strongly urge they have someone on their playtesting or dev teams with a disability. They would point out these gotchas, even if the person might not be personally impacted by them.

    i have bin asking for so long that they stop with the flashy icons that pretty much forces me to click on them, in my case my ADHD can make a simple blinking icon get my stress level go from 0 to 12 in seconds.
    but till now ppl constantly laugh it off and Anet ignores stuff like this, that's the policy we have to deal with.....

    Well recently on the patch notes, they wrote that one of cinematics for Vision contains flashing lights - Aurene's vision cinematic from A star to guide us.

    I created a post about it, and thankfully they appear to have listened to us in this matter. ( https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/60924/urgent-updates-required#latest )

    The wound is the place where the Light enters you ~Stephane Lo Presti

  • @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:
    Hi,

    The development team heard your feedback and are looking into it. We'll let you know as soon as we've been able to determine if anything can be done!

    Thank you.

    Thank you from me too. I am uncoordinated due to brain damage. This game is good therapy for my hand-eye coordination, but, alas, there are some things I cannot do..dumb jumping puzzles :)

  • @The Quad.8625 said:
    I have been playing GW2 for over 6 years now and I love the game. GW 2 is one of the very few games I can play being disabled. I have a broken neck and have lost the use of my hands, so I play GW2 with special gloves and a stick in each glove. Because I type with sticks I cannot feel where the keys are and I have to look at the keyboard when I play which means I take my eyes off the screen all the time.

    I have spent many days doing the Skyscale achievements and spent +- 90 gold on Extra-Pungent Skyscale Treat so I did not have to do the jumping puzzles for the Skyscale Lost achievement. I have gone through all of this only to be defeated by a ball because I'm not fast enough to catch it during the Skyscale Reflexes achievement. Catching a ball has nothing to do with flying a skyscale! Arenanet, please change it or make a way for me to bypass it - I want my skyscale!

    Have a nice, warm, Texas Size hug from me.

    As others have said, I too support the Devs giving you a Skyscale...to me though, it would not be giving..you earned it!

    Lisa-Nodding her head firmly.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arden.7480 said:

    @sorudo.9054 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @The Quad.8625 said:
    I have been playing GW2 for over 6 years now and I love the game. GW 2 is one of the very few games I can play being disabled. I have a broken neck and have lost the use of my hands, so I play GW2 with special gloves and a stick in each glove. Because I type with sticks I cannot feel where the keys are and I have to look at the keyboard when I play which means I take my eyes off the screen all the time.

    I have spent many days doing the skycale achievements and spent +- 90 gold on Extra-Pungent Skyscale Treat so I did not have to do the jumping puzzles for the Skyscale Lost achievement. I have gone through all of this only to be defeated by a ball because I'm not fast enough to catch it during the Skyscale Reflexes achievement. Catching a ball has nothing to do with flying a skyscale! Arenanet, please change it or make a way for me to bypass it - I want my skyscale!

    Thanks, I was thinking about making a thread how this was ability gated but feared it would be merged with another issue.

    My issue is epilepsy. There are at least 2 things you have to do to complete it with flashing lights which can trigger photosensitive seizures. I was not even able to get that far as my brain had a strong feeling of vertigo trying to fly up the wing, which I know from experience can set off a seizure as well. To the people who are laughing at this: yes, brains do not always make sense, why do you think 'rides' at amusement parks that barely move warn of motion sickness?

    I would strongly urge they have someone on their playtesting or dev teams with a disability. They would point out these gotchas, even if the person might not be personally impacted by them.

    i have bin asking for so long that they stop with the flashy icons that pretty much forces me to click on them, in my case my ADHD can make a simple blinking icon get my stress level go from 0 to 12 in seconds.
    but till now ppl constantly laugh it off and Anet ignores stuff like this, that's the policy we have to deal with.....

    Well recently on the patch notes, they wrote that one of cinematics for Vision contains flashing lights - Aurene's vision cinematic from A star to guide us.

    I created a post about it, and thankfully they appear to have listened to us in this matter. ( https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/60924/urgent-updates-required#latest )

    that might be true for the cinematic part but the in-game part is still a problem, hearts and level up icons still blink to no end and after so many years they simply ignore this part.
    they could at least lose the blinking and allow us to do the leveling up in one go when a scroll or something similar is used. (no seriously, do they like to make my knuckles hurt?)

  • I have to agree with The Quad.8625 .
    I find no reason to pursue the skyscale mount in the pursuits current implementation. It's overly "make work" and pointless.
    And to be honest I also fail to see the point of the skayscale.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ShadowGryphon.6257 said:
    I have to agree with The Quad.8625 .
    I find no reason to pursue the skyscale mount in the pursuits current implementation. It's overly "make work" and pointless.
    And to be honest I also fail to see the point of the skayscale.

    Thats not what the OP said at all mate read again

  • a tip wont go into the disability issue but as have severe issues but a way that you only move left or right 2/3 inches, on the little hill that runs down from gorik go midway then do the easy one 1 ball and notice were the skyscale throws it back it always in same place to you will only move right or left repeat with ball 2 its not that much faster then ball 3 so your movement is only going left or right hope this helps

  • Liston.9708Liston.9708 Member ✭✭✭

    party solution seems the easiest, but another option is 3 rounds as it is OR 5 failed attempts at each round also counts...….

  • Lady Celtaine.3760Lady Celtaine.3760 Member ✭✭✭

    @Liston.9708 said:
    party solution seems the easiest, but another option is 3 rounds as it is OR 5 failed attempts at each round also counts...….

    This is not a bad idea actually, considering if you fail it X times you still put the time into it, just have to make sure people still put the effort into it even if they fail by not let them complete it by letting it fail it for 5 rounds by just standing afk. Some movement of keys still required.

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