Dear Anet before you listen to all the haters about the ranger please read. I will keep it short. — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Dear Anet before you listen to all the haters about the ranger please read. I will keep it short.

The ranger class is in a sad state already. No matter what current spec or gear you bring. NON ask or wants you in WvW squads. The ranger dont need a nerf it needs rework or a new spec.

The ranger class are not vaild in wvw. We are put in "shame groups" (no buffs or as little as possible). Non is ever looking for a ranger in a squad for any WvW play. They laugh at you and say play a real class. Think hard before you kill or change any ability of the ranger. You will kill the ranger, that in its current state a very DEAD, HATED and very USELESS class for Wvw fights. I think its a big shame what some of these haters are saying. Just wanted you to hear from a ranger perspective.

Please Buff the class make some use full changes so we are asked to join the fun in WvW SQUAD play. I am so tired of these haters. If you change the class so it makes even less dmg? What use will it be then? Its a horror show already in its current state.

To the other players in here please dont flame, or be mean. We can all start to point out what advantages other classes have, I haven't done that. I am trying to keep my arguments clean from hate. Any other class is more wanted in WvW squad play.

Ps, I been playing Gw2 for soon 7 years. Before there was ranks in WvW. And mostly on ranger class.

Thank you for your time,
A bullied ranger danger class ( sad face) that's how some say and laugh at you.

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  • GUFF.5692GUFF.5692 Member ✭✭

    I have found limited success using the new glyph of the stars on my druid. Lack of stability makes it very hard to channel. But if you can do it, it is such a strong skill. On a full minstrel druid I was averaging 5-6k tics on downed players which is a quick rez in most situations. I believe this elite skill was Anet's attempt at bringing ranger into the fold for zerg play. However, as I said before you really need stab to pull it off (yes even from range) and right now every commander I know will not put you in a party with a stab bot so the end result is the same as before. If commanders start to actually see this and change one squad within in their zerg to try this things may start to change.

    I don't see major changes coming to the class as a whole to provide zerg build options until we get a new spec and even then it's not for sure.

  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    Not every class is supposed to be usable for all parts of WvW. If you aren't accepted in Zergs, go roam abuse what's op about the class.

    You are wrong and your statement is false. All classes should have a build which allows them to contribute to squads. That’s the motto of this game “play what you want” I did not come here to play the disgusting trinity present in other games.

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    Everyone has a right to play, if the squad don't want you in it they can't stop you following them around and benefitting from the captures and kills.

    Oh yes they can, apparently you don’t play with ranger or wvw. The commander just need to lead the enemy Zerg over you and without their boon support you are done.
    Or you are so far from the combat which you are a simply watching instead playing.

    All this disgruntled here coming to bash the class... I still think In every profile should be visible the amount of hours each players has on each class.

    I agree ranger in general needs some buffs or at least a better design.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @anduriell.6280 said:

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    Everyone has a right to play, if the squad don't want you in it they can't stop you following them around and benefitting from the captures and kills.

    Oh yes they can, apparently you don’t play with ranger or wvw. The commander just need to lead the enemy Zerg over you and without their boon support you are done.
    Or you are so far from the combat which you are a simply watching instead playing.

    All this disgruntled here coming to bash the class... I still think In every profile should be visible the amount of hours each players has on each class.

    I agree ranger in general needs some buffs or at least a better design.

    I play exclusively Ranger in WvW albiet I don't play WvW often, more so since the Warclaw but still rarely.
    I've never had a problem following a zerg, getting tons of kills or being involved in the captures.

    Never has a commander ever risked their own squad to remove me from following them, there's absolutely no point in them doing so and they're far more focused on the enemy.
    An extra player whether in the squad or not is another damage source, if their sniping the downed they're giving others loot, preventing enemy rez as well as potentially rallying squad members who fall so they're contributing in their own way.
    LB Rangers are great for destroying Arrow Carts and Catapaults up on high ground that most other classes lack the Range to reach, 2 LB Rangers can quickly burst an Arrowcart down but a single one can solo them if need be, as well as pressure enemies to stay off them unless they are really tanky.
    I always prioratize seige when we raid a keep, and if I die doing it im not in the squad so no big loss for them right :)
    We can also obliterate Warclaws, usually before they have a chance to turn tail and run.

    Profile time thing sounds like a fun feature though, I like that.
    I have 2,616 hours logged on Ranger in total.
    And 2,036 hours logged on Necromancer.
    Warrior is probably somwhere around the 1,000 hour mark as well but I didn't check that.

    The best solution for all class and balance problems is one that's been given since the game came out imo.
    Split the skills and balance each class for each mode specifically thus no more PvE changes breaking WvW or PvP changes killing PvE builds etc.

  • Sandzibar.5134Sandzibar.5134 Member ✭✭✭

    Nerf sic em dmg, but change it to strip boons instead. Cos f* boonspaming tanks more than sic em ganks B)

    Then of course you have issues with Ranger raid dmg, as sic em is a large part of their viablity there.

  • Skotlex.7580Skotlex.7580 Member ✭✭✭

    With the state of ranger currently, I believe what the class needs is not a buff nor a debuff, but a massive overhaul.

    Frankly, the pet did so much more damage than the ranger did for most of the game's life, until soulbeast managed to reap those juicy damage boosts for themselves, and that's how we got to the current situation.

    A rework would aim and reducing the massive damage boosts the pet gets down to level with the rest of traits from other classes, and also boost ranger weapon skill coefficients to compensate.

    or at least, that's how I would approach balancing of the class.

  • yusayu.3629yusayu.3629 Member ✭✭✭

    @anduriell.6280 said:

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    Not every class is supposed to be usable for all parts of WvW. If you aren't accepted in Zergs, go roam abuse what's op about the class.

    You are wrong and your statement is false. All classes should have a build which allows them to contribute to squads. That’s the motto of this game “play what you want” I did not come here to play the disgusting trinity present in other games.

    Nobody is stopping you from playing in squads, still. But SLB is a class designed around small-scale fights, and they'd have to change the class drastically to make it zerg-viable.

    The "play-what-you-want"-mentality is for casual play. Nobody is preventing you to play the class casually, in a pub zerg. I've never seen a comm kick people for not playing a zerg class.

    No, SLB and Ranger in general do not need buffs. SLB is the most broken class in competitive currently in the game.

  • Lazze.9870Lazze.9870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    No, SLB and Ranger in general do not need buffs. SLB is the most broken class in competitive currently in the game.

    Except it isn't.
    And if you actually think there aren't parts of core ranger that needs improvement, you're way more clueless about the class than you seemed at first glance.

  • yusayu.3629yusayu.3629 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lazze.9870 said:

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    No, SLB and Ranger in general do not need buffs. SLB is the most broken class in competitive currently in the game.

    Except it isn't.

    If you only play WvW in zergs, maybe not for you. But SLB has been terrorizing sPvP and roaming WvW for weeks.

  • Lazze.9870Lazze.9870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @yusayu.3629 said:

    @Lazze.9870 said:

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    No, SLB and Ranger in general do not need buffs. SLB is the most broken class in competitive currently in the game.

    Except it isn't.

    If you only play WvW in zergs, maybe not for you. But SLB has been terrorizing sPvP and roaming WvW for weeks.

    I play everything, and more importantly I play ranger doing everything. It's not terrorizing jack kitten, that's you being awful. I haven't lost to a single roaming boonbeast. Ever.

    And to repeat myself; if you actually think there aren't parts of core ranger that needs improvement, you're way more clueless about the class than you seemed at first glance.

  • Gabrya.6297Gabrya.6297 Member ✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @yusayu.3629 said:

    Nobody is stopping you from playing in squads, still. But SLB is a class designed around small-scale fights, and they'd have to change the class drastically to make it zerg-viable.

    The "play-what-you-want"-mentality is for casual play. Nobody is preventing you to play the class casually, in a pub zerg. I've never seen a comm kick people for not playing a zerg class.

    No, SLB and Ranger in general do not need buffs. SLB is the most broken class in competitive currently in the game.

    Maybe he does not need buff but he does need tweaks for sure. ( Core need some improvement )

    If you nerf soulbeast damage too much actually its gonna be braindead useless and it was never OP like a Holo can be...

    Come on even in SPvP and WvW. The boonbeast isn't even an impossible encounter in 1v1 , it can be really easily killed and the animation are like a "noob friendly tutorial" to learn to dodge...

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    what if they nerfed the blob classes instead?

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • kappa.2036kappa.2036 Member ✭✭✭

    @silentsiren.4879 said:
    The ranger class is in a sad state already. No matter what current spec or gear you bring. NON ask or wants you in WvW squads. The ranger dont need a nerf it needs rework or a new spec.

    The ranger class are not vaild in wvw. We are put in "shame groups" (no buffs or as little as possible). Non is ever looking for a ranger in a squad for any WvW play. They laugh at you and say play a real class. Think hard before you kill or change any ability of the ranger. You will kill the ranger, that in its current state a very DEAD, HATED and very USELESS class for Wvw fights. I think its a big shame what some of these haters are saying. Just wanted you to hear from a ranger perspective.

    Please Buff the class make some use full changes so we are asked to join the fun in WvW SQUAD play. I am so tired of these haters. If you change the class so it makes even less dmg? What use will it be then? Its a horror show already in its current state.

    To the other players in here please dont flame, or be mean. We can all start to point out what advantages other classes have, I haven't done that. I am trying to keep my arguments clean from hate. Any other class is more wanted in WvW squad play.

    Ps, I been playing Gw2 for soon 7 years. Before there was ranks in WvW. And mostly on ranger class.

    Thank you for your time,
    A bullied ranger danger class ( sad face) that's how some say and laugh at you.

    100% Agree, and i can also say this can be applied for pvp aswell. Everyone in the pvp forum is complaining about Sic em + unstoppable union, but people don't understand that unblockables and damage modifiers are the only things rangers can bring to the table right now. Anet nerfed heals, nerfed ress potential, nerfed boons, nerfed sustain, nerfed EVERYTHING to the point that druid/core are barely PLAYABLE. Cut off unblockables and damage, and what are we supposed to play then? Firebrands, scourges, holos and revs? C'mon.
    I'm not saying Sic Em and unstoppable union are ok, sure they need some adjustements. But RIGHT NOW these are the only things left to rangers, and they will 100% nerfed in the next balance patch, you will see. Be prepared to reroll another class.

  • People need to understand that not every class is made to do amazing in zergs. Asking for ranger rework to make it a zerg viable class is like asking for a heal thief. I play ranger alot and its a perfect roaming class and I honestly dont need sic em in WvW and PvP. Its true that Sic em probably needs a 50% nerf to the damage modifier in WvW and PvP but it can stay the same in PvE. Like the OP stated, no squad wants a ranger in a zerg but asking for a rework just so that it can be played in a zerg is pretty dumb. Does any squad ask for a thief in zergs ? or do they ask for a mesmer in zergs ? So, its pointless to whine for something thats actually not required since ranger already shines in PvP as a boonbeast, WvW as a roamer and in PvE as a dps.

    "All the talent in this world won't take you anywhere without your Teammates
    Trust them, Res them, Support them
    "

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ranger mains keep highlighting the class with threads like this and you know how Anet balances...

    Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • @Largo Cifer.3495 said:
    People need to understand that not every class is made to do amazing in zergs. Asking for ranger rework to make it a zerg viable class is like asking for a heal thief. I play ranger alot and its a perfect roaming class and I honestly dont need sic em in WvW and PvP. Its true that Sic em probably needs a 50% nerf to the damage modifier in WvW and PvP but it can stay the same in PvE. Like the OP stated, no squad wants a ranger in a zerg but asking for a rework just so that it can be played in a zerg is pretty dumb. Does any squad ask for a thief in zergs ? or do they ask for a mesmer in zergs ? So, its pointless to whine for something thats actually not required since ranger already shines in PvP as a boonbeast, WvW as a roamer and in PvE as a dps.

    Do you know what a portal bomb is in wvw? Mesmer are WANTED!!

  • @silentsiren.4879 said:

    @Largo Cifer.3495 said:
    People need to understand that not every class is made to do amazing in zergs. Asking for ranger rework to make it a zerg viable class is like asking for a heal thief. I play ranger alot and its a perfect roaming class and I honestly dont need sic em in WvW and PvP. Its true that Sic em probably needs a 50% nerf to the damage modifier in WvW and PvP but it can stay the same in PvE. Like the OP stated, no squad wants a ranger in a zerg but asking for a rework just so that it can be played in a zerg is pretty dumb. Does any squad ask for a thief in zergs ? or do they ask for a mesmer in zergs ? So, its pointless to whine for something thats actually not required since ranger already shines in PvP as a boonbeast, WvW as a roamer and in PvE as a dps.

    Do you know what a portal bomb is in wvw? Mesmer are WANTED!!

    ahh whoops, yes portals. I actually missed that. But then again, i was talking about the current meta and dont see many zergs portal bombing with mesmers now, unlike the good old days when portals used to be a THING.

    "All the talent in this world won't take you anywhere without your Teammates
    Trust them, Res them, Support them
    "

  • Dragonzhunter.8506Dragonzhunter.8506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @Largo Cifer.3495 said:

    @silentsiren.4879 said:

    @Largo Cifer.3495 said:
    People need to understand that not every class is made to do amazing in zergs. Asking for ranger rework to make it a zerg viable class is like asking for a heal thief. I play ranger alot and its a perfect roaming class and I honestly dont need sic em in WvW and PvP. Its true that Sic em probably needs a 50% nerf to the damage modifier in WvW and PvP but it can stay the same in PvE. Like the OP stated, no squad wants a ranger in a zerg but asking for a rework just so that it can be played in a zerg is pretty dumb. Does any squad ask for a thief in zergs ? or do they ask for a mesmer in zergs ? So, its pointless to whine for something thats actually not required since ranger already shines in PvP as a boonbeast, WvW as a roamer and in PvE as a dps.

    Do you know what a portal bomb is in wvw? Mesmer are WANTED!!

    ahh whoops, yes portals. I actually missed that. But then again, i was talking about the current meta and don't see many zergs portal bombing with mesmers now, unlike the good old days when portals used to be a THING.

    I am glad that you realized that Mesmer still has his spot in a zerk (GvG too). But! Mesmer also shines in PvP, roamer in WvW and also in PvE (even usual we talk here about sPVP and WvW).
    Atm, we can agree that ranger (maybe thief too) is the only class without any role in WvW zerk or GvG. I don't complain, because I like roaming, and as someone said, I can go side by side with a zerk and do my assassin job. Usually, I am roaming with other 2-3 friends, so we can support each other when it needs.

    I think they must bring it back the Druid Healer/Support build in that way that they could compete with Guardian and Elementalist.
    I don't see atm how could they fix Soulbeast to fit it into a zerk raid.

  • yusayu.3629yusayu.3629 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2019

    @Lazze.9870 said:

    @yusayu.3629 said:

    @Lazze.9870 said:

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    No, SLB and Ranger in general do not need buffs. SLB is the most broken class in competitive currently in the game.

    Except it isn't.

    If you only play WvW in zergs, maybe not for you. But SLB has been terrorizing sPvP and roaming WvW for weeks.

    I play everything, and more importantly I play ranger doing everything. It's not terrorizing jack kitten, that's you being awful. I haven't lost to a single roaming boonbeast. Ever.

    And to repeat myself; if you actually think there aren't parts of core ranger that needs improvement, you're way more clueless about the class than you seemed at first glance.

    There are parts of all core classes that need improvement. Why play condi/shatter Mesmer without Mirage Dodge? Why play Engi without Holoforge? Why play Elementalist without Overload or Dual attacks? And imo, core builds aren't supposed to be used anymore. Many of them are outdated.

    Also, Boonbeast is one of the most played class in sPvP now, especially in high Plat/Legend. Now, granted, I'm only at about 1650, so I don't have much experience with the absolut top of the leaderboard, but I can see people who are much better than me in my sPvP guild complaining about the class all day.

  • Substance E.4852Substance E.4852 Member ✭✭✭

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    but I can see people who are much better than me in my sPvP guild complaining about the class all day.

    lol welcome to online gaming where everything but whatever player X plays is OP as kitten and needs to be nerfed ASAP

  • Sarision.6347Sarision.6347 Member ✭✭

    Ranger in roaming: NERF IT.

    Ranger in zergs: Move on; nothing to see here.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭
    • Core ranger needs a rework/buff true. Core is and has been in a sad state and if you don't want to heal/loose your companion the only option you have is to run base ranger who mind you is not trash; But is far from being strong in any real way.
    • Soul-beast is overtuned and needs a nerf, it's to problem not the core class itself.
    • Yes we could use another spec, but I fear what they might do when it comes.

    All'n'all the core class like revenant needs some love, the specs from the expansions are strong additions but they are not the core class itself. Thus their Identity is their own and while you might see herald/Soul-beast as op The core class might be the one getting hit with the nerf bat and thus the problem is not resolved. It has happened before and Id rather see full reworks to the core classes to make them competitive with their elite specs than see them outright gutted into oblivion.

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    Ranger will become the new elementalist. Roaming will be bad.. zergs 100% useless.. pvp will be mediocre.. lol

  • Dragonzhunter.8506Dragonzhunter.8506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bigo.9037 said:
    Ranger will become the new elementalist. Roaming will be bad.. zergs 100% useless.. pvp will be mediocre.. lol

    Actually, the Elementalist now is very good on roaming, sPVP and in zerg raid. I can say that he is one of the most balanced class atm in all playing modes.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    Toxicity has poisonined Rangers. In other words: Rangers are no longer an examptions to the Toxicity that has spread among the other professors who are Toxic.

    Yes, Toxicity has also infected the Ranger profession by Toxic Balancing and Toxic design

    (Rangers must be severely dealt with, with the others, with no exception)

  • Honestly, I believe that if they just made druid viable in terms of PvP (sPvP and WvW) most of these problems would be solved... Give the ranger profession as a whole some variation instead of "forcing" the roaming spec upon us - nobody wants any type of roaming build in their zerg group, but neither does all ranger want to herd dolyaks or decap points all day. Win-win.

    Druid has next to zero usefulness outside of acting as a spirit herder in raids or fail-safe net in fracts... There are sooo many good suggestions regarding druids in these forums that I do not even know where to begin - but seeing as they just recently nerfed the druids potential for anything else but their current roles (pet stat reduction and stationary Elite skill)... Yeah, it does not look very bright :(

  • Lan Deathrider.5910Lan Deathrider.5910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dezember.1295 said:
    Honestly, I believe that if they just made druid viable in terms of PvP (sPvP and WvW) most of these problems would be solved... Give the ranger profession as a whole some variation instead of "forcing" the roaming spec upon us - nobody wants any type of roaming build in their zerg group, but neither does all ranger want to herd dolyaks or decap points all day. Win-win.

    Druid has next to zero usefulness outside of acting as a spirit herder in raids or fail-safe net in fracts... There are sooo many good suggestions regarding druids in these forums that I do not even know where to begin - but seeing as they just recently nerfed the druids potential for anything else but their current roles (pet stat reduction and stationary Elite skill)... Yeah, it does not look very bright :(

    I've actually encountered some very strong Druids in WvW lately. Granted, they were just great players who may have won regardless of spec, but to say Druid isn't viable isn't reflective of the one's I've fought post 'update.'

  • @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    I've actually encountered some very strong Druids in WvW lately. Granted, they were just great players who may have won regardless of spec, but to say Druid isn't viable isn't reflective of the one's I've fought post 'update.'

    That is interesting. I have not encountered many druids in zergs at all. Druid and thieves are the only professions in this game that does not have any viable zerg build AT ALL when you look for WvW zerg builds.

    And as for roaming, in my personal experience- the few times I do see a druid they're dead within seconds. I am pretty confident to say that druid is not viable when it comes to WvW considering there isn't a single recommended build for druids in WvW anywhere. Not for roaming, not for zergs. That's not saying that they are a complete heap of garbage no matter what - excellent players can make pretty much anything work... But that's really a mute point since it doesn't prove anything at all - bringing a druid to a zerg when you could have been LITERALLY any other support profession is still considered a waste of squad boons... Ask any commander about that.

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dezember.1295 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    I've actually encountered some very strong Druids in WvW lately. Granted, they were just great players who may have won regardless of spec, but to say Druid isn't viable isn't reflective of the one's I've fought post 'update.'

    That is interesting. I have not encountered many druids in zergs at all. Druid and thieves are the only professions in this game that does not have any viable zerg build AT ALL when you look for WvW zerg builds.

    And as for roaming, in my personal experience- the few times I do see a druid they're dead within seconds. I am pretty confident to say that druid is not viable when it comes to WvW considering there isn't a single recommended build for druids in WvW anywhere. Not for roaming, not for zergs. That's not saying that they are a complete heap of garbage no matter what - excellent players can make pretty much anything work... But that's really a mute point since it doesn't prove anything at all - bringing a druid to a zerg when you could have been LITERALLY any other support profession is still considered a waste of squad boons... Ask any commander about that.

    I barely ever see druids anywhere. When I do they are usually just struggling to stay alive let alone provide support/damage. I just have a feeling Soulbeast will soon be stuffed to the bottom of the barrel with Druid due to all the outcry lately. Before long ranger is going to end up like thief, one viable core build.

    No longer playing the game due to PvP being abandon.

  • Lan Deathrider.5910Lan Deathrider.5910 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Dezember.1295 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    I've actually encountered some very strong Druids in WvW lately. Granted, they were just great players who may have won regardless of spec, but to say Druid isn't viable isn't reflective of the one's I've fought post 'update.'

    That is interesting. I have not encountered many druids in zergs at all. Druid and thieves are the only professions in this game that does not have any viable zerg build AT ALL when you look for WvW zerg builds.

    And as for roaming, in my personal experience- the few times I do see a druid they're dead within seconds. I am pretty confident to say that druid is not viable when it comes to WvW considering there isn't a single recommended build for druids in WvW anywhere. Not for roaming, not for zergs. That's not saying that they are a complete heap of garbage no matter what - excellent players can make pretty much anything work... But that's really a mute point since it doesn't prove anything at all - bringing a druid to a zerg when you could have been LITERALLY any other support profession is still considered a waste of squad boons... Ask any commander about that.

    The ones I found were while roaming. Oddly prior to the update I killed them no problem, but the current batch I've been seeing have been VERY good at the keep away game. Been seeing them running LB, SB, or Staff with the Entangle elite. Combinations of knockbacks, leaps, evades, and stealth to maximize distance between their targets while getting pot shots off in between gap openers, they use Entangle only once they're confident they've blown through your condi cleanse. Honestly its how a ranger should be played but not many do play them like that.

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Dezember.1295 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    I've actually encountered some very strong Druids in WvW lately. Granted, they were just great players who may have won regardless of spec, but to say Druid isn't viable isn't reflective of the one's I've fought post 'update.'

    That is interesting. I have not encountered many druids in zergs at all. Druid and thieves are the only professions in this game that does not have any viable zerg build AT ALL when you look for WvW zerg builds.

    And as for roaming, in my personal experience- the few times I do see a druid they're dead within seconds. I am pretty confident to say that druid is not viable when it comes to WvW considering there isn't a single recommended build for druids in WvW anywhere. Not for roaming, not for zergs. That's not saying that they are a complete heap of garbage no matter what - excellent players can make pretty much anything work... But that's really a mute point since it doesn't prove anything at all - bringing a druid to a zerg when you could have been LITERALLY any other support profession is still considered a waste of squad boons... Ask any commander about that.

    I barely ever see druids anywhere. When I do they are usually just struggling to stay alive let alone provide support/damage. I just have a feeling Soulbeast will soon be stuffed to the bottom of the barrel with Druid due to all the outcry lately. Before long ranger is going to end up like thief, one viable core build.

    Most of the one's I've seen have been on Yak's Bend. Where as Soulbeast is a rushed sniper the Druids I've been encountering lately have been more 'patient' in their tactics, more like hit and run to wear you down.

  • alain.1659alain.1659 Member ✭✭✭

    I have tried soulbeast for some time after I have experienced pew pew first hand. I was a ranger player before PoF so I knew the class a little. I can say that sic em needs to be adjusted but that is all. Other skills do not need any nerfs but buffs (staff, dagger, shortbow) in some cases. It is easy to kite your opponent if your opponent is bad. That is all. I have killed soulbeasts without much problem with DH, Holo and Warrior (they were not the best players, true but we are not talking about the best) and had quite hard time with my thief (I really suck at thief).

    There are buggy skills and builds that need to be fixed, but apart from that ranger is "meh". Druid needs more love, staff needs to be an aoe weapon. Stance sharing sucks compared to other supportive skills and traits. All in all, if you are not faced vs a really skilled ranger player, it is not a problem. That is my opinion and experience ofc. And I am not a really good duelist.

  • Eliren.4985Eliren.4985 Member ✭✭

    play a real class

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    No longer playing the game due to PvP being abandon.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    No longer playing the game due to PvP being abandon.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    I just remember when you said thief's so strong because of no weapon cd and steal being basically warrior's burst... But now it's lacking, hmm...
    Found it a little ironic, but let's move on. :D


    A bit more on topic: I disagree with OP and find this response to be pretty reasonable:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    ^^

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    I just remember when you said thief's so strong because of no weapon cd and steal being basically warrior's burst... But now it's lacking, hmm...
    Found it a little ironic, but move on. :D

    Oh no, am big triggered now. Much very.

    No longer playing the game due to PvP being abandon.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    I just remember when you said thief's so strong because of no weapon cd and steal being basically warrior's burst... But now it's lacking, hmm...
    Found it a little ironic, but move on. :D

    Oh no, am big triggered now. Much very.

    I mean there's not much more you could say here, so no surprises, I enjoyed the hypocrisy though :lol:

  • Eliren.4985Eliren.4985 Member ✭✭

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    Someone had to do it! ;)

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    I just remember when you said thief's so strong because of no weapon cd and steal being basically warrior's burst... But now it's lacking, hmm...
    Found it a little ironic, but move on. :D

    Oh no, am big triggered now. Much very.

    I mean there's not much more you could say here, so no surprises, I enjoyed the hypocrisy though :lol:

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why're you bringing up unrelated topics in a thread nothing about that. I still stand by what I said nonetheless. I find it lacking in build variety, not in power.

    No longer playing the game due to PvP being abandon.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    I just remember when you said thief's so strong because of no weapon cd and steal being basically warrior's burst... But now it's lacking, hmm...
    Found it a little ironic, but move on. :D

    Oh no, am big triggered now. Much very.

    I mean there's not much more you could say here, so no surprises, I enjoyed the hypocrisy though :lol:

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why're you bringing up unrelated topics in a thread nothing about that. I still stand by what I said nonetheless. I find it lacking in build variety, not in power.

    Yeah, sure you do, that's why you moved to soulbeast :lol:

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    I just remember when you said thief's so strong because of no weapon cd and steal being basically warrior's burst... But now it's lacking, hmm...
    Found it a little ironic, but move on. :D

    Oh no, am big triggered now. Much very.

    I mean there's not much more you could say here, so no surprises, I enjoyed the hypocrisy though :lol:

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why're you bringing up unrelated topics in a thread nothing about that. I still stand by what I said nonetheless. I find it lacking in build variety, not in power.

    Yeah, sure you do, that's why you moved to soulbeast :lol:

    Where did I say I play soulbeast? I play melee core ranger when I do play ranger, thank you very much. I like how you're just watching and waiting for me to post to try to call me out all like
    ヽ༼ ಠ益ಠ ༽ノ

    This is just getting further and further off topic for no reason dude, just chill yo jets. We're here to talk about ranger.

    No longer playing the game due to PvP being abandon.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @Eliren.4985 said:
    play a real class

    Am very triggered

    oof, already dropped thief? :astonished:

    Eh, it's on the back burner. It's fun, I just find it lacking.

    I just remember when you said thief's so strong because of no weapon cd and steal being basically warrior's burst... But now it's lacking, hmm...
    Found it a little ironic, but move on. :D

    Oh no, am big triggered now. Much very.

    I mean there's not much more you could say here, so no surprises, I enjoyed the hypocrisy though :lol:

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why're you bringing up unrelated topics in a thread nothing about that. I still stand by what I said nonetheless. I find it lacking in build variety, not in power.

    Yeah, sure you do, that's why you moved to soulbeast :lol:

    Where did I say I play soulbeast? I play melee core ranger when I do play ranger, thank you very much. I like how you're just watching and waiting for me to post to try to call me out all like

    Sure, that's what I'm doing :lol: At least your imagination keeps going strong.

    This is just getting further and further off topic for no reason dude, just chill yo jets. We're here to talk about ranger.

    Pretty chilled over here, just responding when you tag me o/

  • Lan Deathrider.5910Lan Deathrider.5910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @alain.1659 said:
    I have tried soulbeast for some time after I have experienced pew pew first hand. I was a ranger player before PoF so I knew the class a little. I can say that sic em needs to be adjusted but that is all. Other skills do not need any nerfs but buffs (staff, dagger, shortbow) in some cases. It is easy to kite your opponent if your opponent is bad. That is all. I have killed soulbeasts without much problem with DH, Holo and Warrior (they were not the best players, true but we are not talking about the best) and had quite hard time with my thief (I really suck at thief).

    There are buggy skills and builds that need to be fixed, but apart from that ranger is "meh". Druid needs more love, staff needs to be an aoe weapon. Stance sharing sucks compared to other supportive skills and traits. All in all, if you are not faced vs a really skilled ranger player, it is not a problem. That is my opinion and experience ofc. And I am not a really good duelist.

    Yeah daggers and shortbow need some love for sure. I wish they'd take the flanking riders off of shortbow and its related trait and just let it do that amount of condi by default. The issues with Soulbeast really center around Attack of Opportunity and Sic'em, and even then primarily Sic'em. Others whine about boonbeast, as if sigils of absorption don't exist to counter boons on any class.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    I think the root of the toxic view the playerbase has on the ranger is because its incredibly unfun to be +1 by a random 1800 longbow pewpew and downed in a second in WvW. Similar feeling like prenerfed Deadeyes 1shots etc.

    Its possible that the history of longbow pewpews has clouded the judgement of soulbeasts/rangers other... less memebuilds?

    I do think that soulbeasts benefits a bit too much with all damage amplifiers cough sick e'm cough, but could use some more evenly "spread out" amplifiers instead of all oompf in 1-2 buttons.

  • Atticus.7194Atticus.7194 Member ✭✭✭

    @silentsiren.4879 said:
    The ranger class is in a sad state already. No matter what current spec or gear you bring. NON ask or wants you in WvW squads. The ranger dont need a nerf it needs rework or a new spec.

    The ranger class are not vaild in wvw. We are put in "shame groups" (no buffs or as little as possible). Non is ever looking for a ranger in a squad for any WvW play. They laugh at you and say play a real class. Think hard before you kill or change any ability of the ranger. You will kill the ranger, that in its current state a very DEAD, HATED and very USELESS class for Wvw fights. I think its a big shame what some of these haters are saying. Just wanted you to hear from a ranger perspective.

    Please Buff the class make some use full changes so we are asked to join the fun in WvW SQUAD play. I am so tired of these haters. If you change the class so it makes even less dmg? What use will it be then? Its a horror show already in its current state.

    To the other players in here please dont flame, or be mean. We can all start to point out what advantages other classes have, I haven't done that. I am trying to keep my arguments clean from hate. Any other class is more wanted in WvW squad play.

    Ps, I been playing Gw2 for soon 7 years. Before there was ranks in WvW. And mostly on ranger class.

    Thank you for your time,
    A bullied ranger danger class ( sad face) that's how some say and laugh at you.

    What are you even talking about? I played around soulbeast with no Sic Em last night instead going for a balanced survival no gimmick build and I was not lacking for damage. The only thing you're afraid of is your 3 button autowin from 1800 yards away gimmick build being removed so you actually have to try.

    Plenty of other viable soulbeast builds that you can play outside of the 2 popular ones.

  • I am a Ranger and I play WvW, I even play in a zerg. But my commander uses me in a different capacity as most. We have Rangers that are scouts and roamers. I am used at the garrison, where I am in charge of supply shipments, shrine taking and overall look out for the northern end of the map. and guess what it works great. I am not the best player but my Commander has worked around that by using my strentgh's to an advantage. I use the same build in Wvw that I do in open world. Yes I am a little squishy but I do not mind. It would be nice if the dev's would redo the long bow stats. A ranger witht he right stats, ruins and equipment could be one hell of a sniper

  • DeceiverX.8361DeceiverX.8361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2019

    @anduriell.6280 said:

    @yusayu.3629 said:
    Not every class is supposed to be usable for all parts of WvW. If you aren't accepted in Zergs, go roam abuse what's op about the class.

    You are wrong and your statement is false. All classes should have a build which allows them to contribute to squads. That’s the motto of this game “play what you want” I did not come here to play the disgusting trinity present in other games.

    Sure, but please tell me how the ranger is in any way suffering due to an imbalance.

    People get kicked on ranger in blobs because they play selfish builds and do not play with skill which results in killing their own allies with reflects.

    When your class can absolutely nuke the hell out of your own front line by playing badly, and is by far the easiest class in the game to play attracting a lot of subpar players to the format, the stigma ends up being about risk management and not about the class being weak or bad.

    Only before the ranger CDI was the class laughed out of content. It's been competitive since. It's arguably been rejected because it's too strong of a stat-stick that gets your own group killed.

    As someone who's co-commanded in T1 on a glass thief per request by the server leader for being a monster at engage/blob fights on said thief, even back when it was populated, here's some advice: Pug up with a group, and prove your worth. If you win fights and make some disgustingly good plays, you WILL be noticed. I've done so on thief and ranger and reaper when it was "bad" and almost everything obsure I've played, and if you're really good at the class, you'll be left alone/encouraged to tag along when people see you deep in the enemy backline shredding through its damage dealers and pulling frontline aggression. With the people I've run with, it's known and understood I bring way more value to any group playing thief, reaper, or soulbeast than anything meta for blobs, because the level of play there is high enough where it's a net gain, and I also bring and utilize support where applicable.

    If you stand back and spam 1 and 2 camping longbow and don't pay attention to reflects, push calls, low HP allies, or offer any kind of group support, it's got nothing to do with your class. You're just not a good team player, and playing a ranger at a low level makes this easier to do, which a lot of people get trapped in doing, because the class is so easy to play.

    You sure that Sniper idea is as good as you thought it was gonna be?
    Because I think my original idea is better.
    Quit/Inactive. No, you can't have my stuff.

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