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  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 9, 2019

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    When doing the casino coin event the skyscale is perfect for it. Also for HoT maps the skyscale shines compared to anything else.

    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

  • @Sobx.1758 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    When doing the casino coin event the skyscale is perfect for it. Also for HoT maps the skyscale shines compared to anything else.

    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    Remember that one hero point in Verdant Brink, where you go down, down, down, looking for this one little hole in the wall/tree to scoot through, and if your griffon misses it, you have to find a place to land before you hit the bottom of the chasm, then WP back to the top to start over? Just sayin'.

    In some other thread I mentioned that Dragon's Stand HP where you have to jump and land on that needle-like tower top in the middle of a pit.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    When doing the casino coin event the skyscale is perfect for it. Also for HoT maps the skyscale shines compared to anything else.

    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    Remember that one hero point in Verdant Brink, where you go down, down, down, looking for this one little hole in the wall/tree to scoot through, and if your griffon misses it, you have to find a place to land before you hit the bottom of the chasm, then WP back to the top to start over? Just sayin'.

    In some other thread I mentioned that Dragon's Stand HP where you have to jump and land on that needle-like tower top in the middle of a pit.

    And that one in verdant in the tower. Easy JP skip with the skyscale :)

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    When doing the casino coin event the skyscale is perfect for it. Also for HoT maps the skyscale shines compared to anything else.

    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    Remember that one hero point in Verdant Brink, where you go down, down, down, looking for this one little hole in the wall/tree to scoot through, and if your griffon misses it, you have to find a place to land before you hit the bottom of the chasm, then WP back to the top to start over? Just sayin'.

    In some other thread I mentioned that Dragon's Stand HP where you have to jump and land on that needle-like tower top in the middle of a pit.

    The only time I had to even look for that VB HP was on my first playthrough when HoT came out. When I went back there after PoF mounts I had no issues knowing where that point is, so I can't really agree.
    That DS HP might be a better one :p

    @aspirine.6852 said:

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    When doing the casino coin event the skyscale is perfect for it. Also for HoT maps the skyscale shines compared to anything else.

    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    Remember that one hero point in Verdant Brink, where you go down, down, down, looking for this one little hole in the wall/tree to scoot through, and if your griffon misses it, you have to find a place to land before you hit the bottom of the chasm, then WP back to the top to start over? Just sayin'.

    In some other thread I mentioned that Dragon's Stand HP where you have to jump and land on that needle-like tower top in the middle of a pit.

    And that one in verdant in the tower. Easy JP skip with the skyscale :)

    emm... What tower? What JP for HP?

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭

    all good this stuff, but if u ask me mounts should be locked to HoT maps and PoF mounts to PoF maps only.
    why? cus rest of maps arent even designed to deal with these mounts..

    personally i couldnt careless if they do it or dont as i dont spend much time in pve but doing map completion nowadays is just kitten easy (always was but took time) now it takes like what? 2/3 days? if u play ~4/5 hours a day so 15 hours total. maybe still slow as kitten but i dont own a griffon neither skyscale nor i focus 4 or 5hours straight on game i just know i did it in 2 or 3 work days so i know i got more or less 4 or 5 hours to play..

  • Irreverent.3594Irreverent.3594 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    This is hilarious.

    Nothing beats Skyscale in ALL maps.

  • @Irreverent.3594 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    This is hilarious.

    Nothing beats Skyscale in ALL maps.

    Totally, I prefer my flying at a downward angle and frequent stops. Soaring blissfully free is too good for us.

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The skyscale is the more versatile mount in my opinion.

    @Echostorm.9143 said:

    @Irreverent.3594 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    This is hilarious.

    Nothing beats Skyscale in ALL maps.

    Totally, I prefer my flying at a downward angle and frequent stops. Soaring blissfully free is too good for us.

    You're comparing it with an imaginary mount, ofcoutse you're going to be disapointed

  • zeldara.4127zeldara.4127 Member ✭✭

    Love the skyscale. More then i thought i would. It quickly became my nr 1 mount now it's all mastered up. I like to casually explore, don't usually need to be places asap. And skyscale is perfect for it. Been revisiting maps to knock out some achievements I hadn't done yet/could not reach/were to troublesome and the skyscale made it way easier. Also it gives a new perspective on a lot of maps, making me revisit maps and fly around having fun, just playing tourist. All maps are totally revitalized (for a while) by scyscale for me. So yeah I'd definitely;y say Skyscale is a pleasure to fly. And safe the bit over the top 250 currency for each map (had about 1/3th), I didn't mind the collections and such. Took me a little over 3 weeks total.

  • It was a trial, but unlocking the Skyscale was very much worth it. Once all masteries were unlocked, it's rare that I ever switch to another mount unless I have a very specific reason (super speed/wall breaks on the beetle, Jackal sand portals, or sweeping up multiple targets with Raptor for example.) All the mounts, where compared apples to apples with specific tasks will be better than the Skyscale, but if you don't mind that little bit of niche loss, this dragon shines in practically all aspects of mount travel. Yes, it's a PITA to get, but it's doable by anyone with a time investment. Keep picking at it, and you'll eventually get there. You're not 'missing' anything from it, if you don't have it, and there are so many now, that the 'shiny' is losing it's luster. The worst part of the grind was the currency for the saddle, but again, if you just give yourself x amount of time per session to minimize burnout, the currencies will add up in no time, and soon you'll be dragocoptering, too. :D

  • Sir Vincent III.1286Sir Vincent III.1286 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2019

    @Welcometotheden.8547 said:
    It was a trial, but unlocking the Skyscale was very much worth it. Once all masteries were unlocked, it's rare that I ever switch to another mount unless I have a very specific reason (super speed/wall breaks on the beetle, Jackal sand portals, or sweeping up multiple targets with Raptor for example.) All the mounts, where compared apples to apples with specific tasks will be better than the Skyscale, but if you don't mind that little bit of niche loss, this dragon shines in practically all aspects of mount travel. Yes, it's a PITA to get, but it's doable by anyone with a time investment. Keep picking at it, and you'll eventually get there. You're not 'missing' anything from it, if you don't have it, and there are so many now, that the 'shiny' is losing it's luster. The worst part of the grind was the currency for the saddle, but again, if you just give yourself x amount of time per session to minimize burnout, the currencies will add up in no time, and soon you'll be dragocoptering, too. :D

    It's really not about how PITA the unlocking process is. It's about getting something for all the kittens you have to put up with. The griffon was worth all the kittens, while I do not see that same value with the Skyscale. Too much work for a lackluster mount. Mounts are suppose to ease traveling, not make it more frustrating.

    Sure you can hover and reach high places with the Skyscale, but there is no need for hovering or reaching those high places. If my bunny cannot reach a height, it's probably a waste of time to get up there anyway.

    I rather have a Spider mount that can climb walls and cliffs, any day for this kind of PITA unlocking process.

    Thief F1 must remain an instacast Steal skill. DE will simply apply DE Mark on target on Steal.
    Malice build-up independently from DE Mark. Mark only speed up the build-up, not be the pre-requisite.
    http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning...there was Tarnished Coast...

  • @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:
    It's really not about how PITA the unlocking process is. It's about getting something for all the kittens you have to put up with. The griffon was worth all the kittens, while I do not see that same value with the Skyscale. Too much work for a lackluster mount. Mounts are suppose to ease traveling, not make it more frustrating.

    Sure you can hover and reach high places with the Skyscale, but there is no need for hovering or reaching those high places. If my bunny cannot reach a height, it's probably a waste of time to get up there anyway.

    I rather have a Spider mount that can climb walls and cliffs, any day for this kind of PITA unlocking process.

    I'm not finding it lackluster at all. I'm not solely using it because of the effort taken to get it, more than I'm using it because it facilitates the actions of most of the other mounts to my needs. And there is still room for those other mounts, based on the needs, as I mentioned. If you have the gryphon, and love the gryphon, is the Skyscale better? Arguably. Yet, I also loved my Gryphon, and loved the dive bomb ability of it. I still prefer the Skyscale, and I don't even use the gryphon any more (or at least, until that need comes up.)

    This isn't to you directly, but more in general for anyone -
    Do you need it? No. Do you want it? If not, don't worry about it. You're not going to miss too much without it (for now, I guess?) I don't picture anyone lesser for not having one. I mean, is it really elite anymore? Anyone can get it, but how much time/effort it's going to take depends on them individually. I 100% agree on the unlock PITA. It was very much a PITA. And I feel rather unnecessary . However, it is what it is, and community feedback will change it for the better going forward. By all means, anyone who wants it, but rather wait to see how Anet changes the criteria...wait. It's ok to wait. But don't let it stop you from slowly picking away at it because perhaps you're fighting the bias of the criteria needed for it, rather than the end result.

    Was it worth it for me to spend several days in a row, hard grinding to get everything needed? Not really. I could have easily waited, and took my time. Am I happy I have it now? Yes. Yes, I am. Would I do it again? Well, of course. But I may or may not put as much effort into it as I did. That's all I'm advocating now. I personally think it's a great mount, and worth an effort to obtain it. Just like the gryphon.

  • Grim West.3194Grim West.3194 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2019

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/78676/skyscale-is-a-pleasure-to-fly#latest"Sir Vincent III.1286" said:

    @Welcometotheden.8547 said:
    It was a trial, but unlocking the Skyscale was very much worth it. Once all masteries were unlocked, it's rare that I ever switch to another mount unless I have a very specific reason (super speed/wall breaks on the beetle, Jackal sand portals, or sweeping up multiple targets with Raptor for example.) All the mounts, where compared apples to apples with specific tasks will be better than the Skyscale, but if you don't mind that little bit of niche loss, this dragon shines in practically all aspects of mount travel. Yes, it's a PITA to get, but it's doable by anyone with a time investment. Keep picking at it, and you'll eventually get there. You're not 'missing' anything from it, if you don't have it, and there are so many now, that the 'shiny' is losing it's luster. The worst part of the grind was the currency for the saddle, but again, if you just give yourself x amount of time per session to minimize burnout, the currencies will add up in no time, and soon you'll be dragocoptering, too. :D

    It's really not about how PITA the unlocking process is. It's about getting something for all the kittens you have to put up with. The griffon was worth all the kittens, while I do not see that same value with the Skyscale. Too much work for a lackluster mount. Mounts are suppose to ease traveling, not make it more frustrating.

    Sure you can hover and reach high places with the Skyscale, but there is no need for hovering or reaching those high places. If my bunny cannot reach a height, it's probably a waste of time to get up there anyway.

    I rather have a Spider mount that can climb walls and cliffs, any day for this kind of PITA unlocking process.

    Spider mount would be really cool. Almost as cool as a Charr Submarine.

    But the Skybrick is just a funless afk mount for people who have nothing better to do. A total waste of time and effort.

  • Sir Vincent III.1286Sir Vincent III.1286 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2019

    @Welcometotheden.8547 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:
    It's really not about how PITA the unlocking process is. It's about getting something for all the kittens you have to put up with. The griffon was worth all the kittens, while I do not see that same value with the Skyscale. Too much work for a lackluster mount. Mounts are suppose to ease traveling, not make it more frustrating.

    Sure you can hover and reach high places with the Skyscale, but there is no need for hovering or reaching those high places. If my bunny cannot reach a height, it's probably a waste of time to get up there anyway.

    I rather have a Spider mount that can climb walls and cliffs, any day for this kind of PITA unlocking process.

    I'm not finding it lackluster at all. I'm not solely using it because of the effort taken to get it, more than I'm using it because it facilitates the actions of most of the other mounts to my needs. And there is still room for those other mounts, based on the needs, as I mentioned. If you have the gryphon, and love the gryphon, is the Skyscale better? Arguably. Yet, I also loved my Gryphon, and loved the dive bomb ability of it. I still prefer the Skyscale, and I don't even use the gryphon any more (or at least, until that need comes up.)

    This isn't to you directly, but more in general for anyone -
    Do you need it? No. Do you want it? If not, don't worry about it. You're not going to miss too much without it (for now, I guess?) I don't picture anyone lesser for not having one. I mean, is it really elite anymore? Anyone can get it, but how much time/effort it's going to take depends on them individually. I 100% agree on the unlock PITA. It was very much a PITA. And I feel rather unnecessary . However, it is what it is, and community feedback will change it for the better going forward. By all means, anyone who wants it, but rather wait to see how Anet changes the criteria...wait. It's ok to wait. But don't let it stop you from slowly picking away at it because perhaps you're fighting the bias of the criteria needed for it, rather than the end result.

    Was it worth it for me to spend several days in a row, hard grinding to get everything needed? Not really. I could have easily waited, and took my time. Am I happy I have it now? Yes. Yes, I am. Would I do it again? Well, of course. But I may or may not put as much effort into it as I did. That's all I'm advocating now. I personally think it's a great mount, and worth an effort to obtain it. Just like the gryphon.

    As I said, I don't mind jumping hoops, rolling in mud, eating kitten, if the mount is worth all that kitten.

    For instance, unlocking the griffon is also a PITA, but is it worth it? HECK YEAH!!!

    Is Skyscale worth it? What Skyscale?

    EDIT: The Skyscale should be able to climb cliffs and walls, even if it's just a few feet.

    Thief F1 must remain an instacast Steal skill. DE will simply apply DE Mark on target on Steal.
    Malice build-up independently from DE Mark. Mark only speed up the build-up, not be the pre-requisite.
    http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning...there was Tarnished Coast...

  • Welcometotheden.8547Welcometotheden.8547 Member ✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    As I said, I don't mind jumping hoops, rolling in mud, eating kitten, if the mount is worth all that kitten.

    For instance, unlocking the griffon is also a PITA, but is it worth it? HECK YEAH!!!

    Is Skyscale worth it? What Skyscale?

    EDIT: The Skyscale should be able to climb cliffs and walls, even if it's just a few feet.

    It...kinda does?

    Check here:

    4:25min mark.

    Though, I see what you're saying. I would really like to see energy refresh when it's wall mounted, so then that could be a little more like a wall climb, rather than a partial rest.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Irreverent.3594 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    This is hilarious.

    Nothing beats Skyscale in ALL maps.

    lmao, yeah... if you can't use griffon.

  • Drecien.4508Drecien.4508 Member ✭✭✭

    I stopped using the other mounts just for the precision you get with the skyscale. The Griffin is just too fast when you are going somewhere. You'll be able to enjoy thg the scenery as you travel and stop and assess the situation before landing and stay out of harm's way.

    New mount skins?! Anet take my money!

  • BlueJin.4127BlueJin.4127 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    While the Skyscale is effective, I personally find it sluggish and clunky to use. It’s annoying to go down. It clings to walls when I’m trying to fly over it. It’s also funny just sitting and watching other players’ Skyscales wiggle around, weirdly navigating up. It looks so unnatural and awkward just watching it, like it’s still unfinished.

    It could use some QoL changes.

    ^^

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:
    Is Skyscale worth it for me? What Skyscale?

    Fixed that for you.

    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @BlueJin.4127 said:
    Personally, I find the Skyscale way too clunky to use. I can’t descend down when I’m just a few feet above a Vista.

    Press the c button (or whatever button you have mount ability 2 bound to) to descend straight down.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The gold -> gem ratio was favorable yesterday, so made sure I stocked up in case they release the skins today. I thought buying the War Eternal prep pack for the Primeval Griff skin was going to be the last mount skin I would buy in this game. Didn't think I would be raiding my gold storage so soon after.... :cry:

  • Endless Soul.5178Endless Soul.5178 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm loving my skyscale. It really helps get me to wherever I want to go.

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  • Sir Vincent III.1286Sir Vincent III.1286 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:
    Is Skyscale worth it for me? What Skyscale?

    Fixed that for you.

    That was already a given, it's fairly obvious that we're talking about difference in personal opinion, but whatever.

    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

    I have to call that baloney. Flying speed is dominated by the Griffon, land speed is dominated by Rollerbeetle, and over the water speed is dominated by the Skimmer. All the other mounts are utility mounts. The Skyscale does nothing that other mounts can already do better. It's not a combination of all mounts into one. It's a mount that has no identity other than being a dragon.

    If the Skyscale can grab the wall, climb that wall a few feet in all direction, then launch from that new position, I can see a lot of uses for that ability. As it is now, it does nothing important.

    Thief F1 must remain an instacast Steal skill. DE will simply apply DE Mark on target on Steal.
    Malice build-up independently from DE Mark. Mark only speed up the build-up, not be the pre-requisite.
    http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning...there was Tarnished Coast...

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:
    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

    I have to call that baloney. Flying speed is dominated by the Griffon, land speed is dominated by Rollerbeetle, and over the water speed is dominated by the Skimmer. All the other mounts are utility mounts. The Skyscale does nothing that other mounts can already do better. It's not a combination of all mounts into one. It's a mount that has no identity other than being a dragon.

    Did you read the paragraph you quoted? If you are into speed that's good for you, but for me, skimmer and beetle are the biggest offenders when it comes to motion sickness, with the griffon joining their ranks if I ever dare to try and land on a specific spot. I don't care about speed, I much prefer to play without having to lie down in a dark room with a splitting headache and ready to vomit after 10 minutes of gametime. And once you take speed out of the equation (why would I care about speed anyway? I'm here to enjoy myself, there's more than enough hustle and bustle in my life outside of gametime) everything I said stands.

  • Sir Vincent III.1286Sir Vincent III.1286 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:
    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

    I have to call that baloney. Flying speed is dominated by the Griffon, land speed is dominated by Rollerbeetle, and over the water speed is dominated by the Skimmer. All the other mounts are utility mounts. The Skyscale does nothing that other mounts can already do better. It's not a combination of all mounts into one. It's a mount that has no identity other than being a dragon.

    Did you read the paragraph you quoted? If you are into speed that's good for you, but for me, skimmer and beetle are the biggest offenders when it comes to motion sickness, with the griffon joining their ranks if I ever dare to try and land on a specific spot. I don't care about speed, I much prefer to play without having to lie down in a dark room with a splitting headache and ready to vomit after 10 minutes of gametime. And once you take speed out of the equation (why would I care about speed anyway? I'm here to enjoy myself, there's more than enough hustle and bustle in my life outside of gametime) everything I said stands.

    I was not arguing against your other points. I specifically highlighted what is factually untrue.

    Thief F1 must remain an instacast Steal skill. DE will simply apply DE Mark on target on Steal.
    Malice build-up independently from DE Mark. Mark only speed up the build-up, not be the pre-requisite.
    http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning...there was Tarnished Coast...

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:
    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

    I have to call that baloney. Flying speed is dominated by the Griffon, land speed is dominated by Rollerbeetle, and over the water speed is dominated by the Skimmer. All the other mounts are utility mounts. The Skyscale does nothing that other mounts can already do better. It's not a combination of all mounts into one. It's a mount that has no identity other than being a dragon.

    Did you read the paragraph you quoted? If you are into speed that's good for you, but for me, skimmer and beetle are the biggest offenders when it comes to motion sickness, with the griffon joining their ranks if I ever dare to try and land on a specific spot. I don't care about speed, I much prefer to play without having to lie down in a dark room with a splitting headache and ready to vomit after 10 minutes of gametime. And once you take speed out of the equation (why would I care about speed anyway? I'm here to enjoy myself, there's more than enough hustle and bustle in my life outside of gametime) everything I said stands.

    I was not arguing against your other points. I specifically highlighted what is factually untrue.

    Sorry, but you have a very weird definition of the phrase "movement ability" then. It can go up like the springer, across gaps like the raptor, can glide like a griffon ... why is speed suddenly the defining factor of "movement ability"? To me it's all about getting somewhere, and often a very precise somewhere, and the skyscale gets me places more comfortably and precisely than all of the other mounts combined and without the hassle of having to switch mounts on the go (and possibly in hostile territory). That's a fact.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Skyscale is much better with the improvements of today. No longer plummeting with air rescue. And it feels a bit faster, and dash covers more ground. And you dont cling if you descend with ability2

  • Sir Vincent III.1286Sir Vincent III.1286 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:
    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

    I have to call that baloney. Flying speed is dominated by the Griffon, land speed is dominated by Rollerbeetle, and over the water speed is dominated by the Skimmer. All the other mounts are utility mounts. The Skyscale does nothing that other mounts can already do better. It's not a combination of all mounts into one. It's a mount that has no identity other than being a dragon.

    Did you read the paragraph you quoted? If you are into speed that's good for you, but for me, skimmer and beetle are the biggest offenders when it comes to motion sickness, with the griffon joining their ranks if I ever dare to try and land on a specific spot. I don't care about speed, I much prefer to play without having to lie down in a dark room with a splitting headache and ready to vomit after 10 minutes of gametime. And once you take speed out of the equation (why would I care about speed anyway? I'm here to enjoy myself, there's more than enough hustle and bustle in my life outside of gametime) everything I said stands.

    I was not arguing against your other points. I specifically highlighted what is factually untrue.

    Sorry, but you have a very weird definition of the phrase "movement ability" then. It can go up like the springer, across gaps like the raptor, can glide like a griffon ... why is speed suddenly the defining factor of "movement ability"? To me it's all about getting somewhere, and often a very precise somewhere, and the skyscale gets me places more comfortably and precisely than all of the other mounts combined and without the hassle of having to switch mounts on the go (and possibly in hostile territory). That's a fact.

    The movement ability of the griffon, for example, is the dive and boosted speed, not gliding. The movement ability of Springer is the super jump. And no, Skyscale cannot go up like the Springer, nor fly like the Griffon, nor accelerate over water like the Skimmer, nor boost land speed like the Rollerbettle. The movement ability of Skyscale is hovering and that's not even close to a combination of all mounts like you claim it to be. Your claim is, plain and simple, false.

    For the record, I do not want the Skyscale to replace any of the other mount, nor to have an ability similar to the other mounts, nor a combination of the other mounts. Its unique movement ability should be grabbing and climbing walls in addition to hovering.

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  • Ygdrasill.9135Ygdrasill.9135 Member ✭✭✭

    Many kittens were uttered in the pursuit of the Skyscale, buit those were quicly forgotten after actually getting the Skyscale. I like exploring the map and sometimes I need to check the map to figure out where I'm going. there isn't a better mount for that. There are some things it makes trivial that maybe weren't initially meant to be. Need to cap out your volatile magic orb gathering? It's trivial and fast on the skyscale. I know the griffon is faster, but I like the feel of soaring (as long as I stay within the altitude range). It's actually messed me up with the control of the griffon a bit. I keep wanting to fly that the same way and it just doesn't.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:
    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

    I have to call that baloney. Flying speed is dominated by the Griffon, land speed is dominated by Rollerbeetle, and over the water speed is dominated by the Skimmer. All the other mounts are utility mounts. The Skyscale does nothing that other mounts can already do better. It's not a combination of all mounts into one. It's a mount that has no identity other than being a dragon.

    Did you read the paragraph you quoted? If you are into speed that's good for you, but for me, skimmer and beetle are the biggest offenders when it comes to motion sickness, with the griffon joining their ranks if I ever dare to try and land on a specific spot. I don't care about speed, I much prefer to play without having to lie down in a dark room with a splitting headache and ready to vomit after 10 minutes of gametime. And once you take speed out of the equation (why would I care about speed anyway? I'm here to enjoy myself, there's more than enough hustle and bustle in my life outside of gametime) everything I said stands.

    I was not arguing against your other points. I specifically highlighted what is factually untrue.

    Sorry, but you have a very weird definition of the phrase "movement ability" then. It can go up like the springer, across gaps like the raptor, can glide like a griffon ... why is speed suddenly the defining factor of "movement ability"? To me it's all about getting somewhere, and often a very precise somewhere, and the skyscale gets me places more comfortably and precisely than all of the other mounts combined and without the hassle of having to switch mounts on the go (and possibly in hostile territory). That's a fact.

    The movement ability of the griffon, for example, is the dive and boosted speed, not gliding. The movement ability of Springer is the super jump. And no, Skyscale cannot go up like the Springer, nor fly like the Griffon, nor accelerate over water like the Skimmer, nor boost land speed like the Rollerbettle. The movement ability of Skyscale is hovering and that's not even close to a combination of all mounts like you claim it to be. Your claim is, plain and simple, false.

    If its all about speed for you that's fine. It's all about getting places for me, and I have yet to find a place (outside of jackal portals and beetle doors and possibly skimmer on longer journeys, since I simply can't use it without getting sick) I want to go that the Skyscale doesn't get me more comfortable and with less micromanagement than the other mounts. That's not false, that's the plain and simple truth.

  • Sir Vincent III.1286Sir Vincent III.1286 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

    @Rasimir.6239 said:
    For me, on the other hand, the Skyscale is worth it so much more than I expected. It is like a quality of life overhaul combining the movement abilites of all of the other mounts (minus jackal sand portals and beetle walls or course) rolled into one mount. It goes up and down and across precisely where I want it to go, without having to calculate for turn or break speed, or having to switch mounts on the fly. No more getting stuck in combat in front of a cliff because I didn't get to switch from raptor to springer before some critter caught up with me. No more missing a small target platform because of the griffon's huge turn angle and break path. And most of all no more motion sickness from weird skimmer or beetle movements, springers sliding down cliffs, or even raptors getting stuck on tiny bushes along their path.

    I have to call that baloney. Flying speed is dominated by the Griffon, land speed is dominated by Rollerbeetle, and over the water speed is dominated by the Skimmer. All the other mounts are utility mounts. The Skyscale does nothing that other mounts can already do better. It's not a combination of all mounts into one. It's a mount that has no identity other than being a dragon.

    Did you read the paragraph you quoted? If you are into speed that's good for you, but for me, skimmer and beetle are the biggest offenders when it comes to motion sickness, with the griffon joining their ranks if I ever dare to try and land on a specific spot. I don't care about speed, I much prefer to play without having to lie down in a dark room with a splitting headache and ready to vomit after 10 minutes of gametime. And once you take speed out of the equation (why would I care about speed anyway? I'm here to enjoy myself, there's more than enough hustle and bustle in my life outside of gametime) everything I said stands.

    I was not arguing against your other points. I specifically highlighted what is factually untrue.

    Sorry, but you have a very weird definition of the phrase "movement ability" then. It can go up like the springer, across gaps like the raptor, can glide like a griffon ... why is speed suddenly the defining factor of "movement ability"? To me it's all about getting somewhere, and often a very precise somewhere, and the skyscale gets me places more comfortably and precisely than all of the other mounts combined and without the hassle of having to switch mounts on the go (and possibly in hostile territory). That's a fact.

    The movement ability of the griffon, for example, is the dive and boosted speed, not gliding. The movement ability of Springer is the super jump. And no, Skyscale cannot go up like the Springer, nor fly like the Griffon, nor accelerate over water like the Skimmer, nor boost land speed like the Rollerbettle. The movement ability of Skyscale is hovering and that's not even close to a combination of all mounts like you claim it to be. Your claim is, plain and simple, false.

    If its all about speed for you that's fine. It's all about getting places for me, and I have yet to find a place (outside of jackal portals and beetle doors and possibly skimmer on longer journeys, since I simply can't use it without getting sick) I want to go that the Skyscale doesn't get me more comfortable and with less micromanagement than the other mounts. That's not false, that's the plain and simple truth.

    That's not the false statement that you made. In fact I do agree with you on that point. High-speed mount is not for everyone. Mounts are used to get from point A to point B the most efficient way possible in a short amount of time. And the way to make the Skyscale more efficient is if it can crawl up the walls.

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  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:
    If the Skyscale can regen stamina while grabbing on a ledge, sure it's better than the Griffin.
    If the Skyscale can crawl up the ledge to gain more height, then sure it's better than the Grifffin.
    Unfortunately, it can do neither.

    Skyscale is a helicopter compared to a jet plane, the Griffin.

    A helicopter is the superior aircraft in many circumstances. Is that your point about the Skyscale? That it is often superior to the other mounts?

  • Vincenzo.3145Vincenzo.3145 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    It's great compared to what it was before, but I feel like it still needs work.

    • Mounting in mid-air: You no longer accumulate red-bar and drop like a rock after gaining altitude via movement based masteries such as updrafts and whatnot prior to your first skyscale mounting after leaving the ground. But it still depletes your blue bar. If you haven't mounted your skyscale yet, the game should treat it as though you never mounted in the first place. It doesn't make sense for it to be tired out when you haven't even used it yet. This effectively makes bond of vigor into a band-aid for a inherent design problem skyscale has. Assuming it is on cooldown, you might as well still use your griffon which you can gain infinite height with rendering Skyscale obsolete once again. The Skyscale is great assuming you're only just mounting while on the ground. Mounting it in mid-air after gaining altitude by some other means renders it obsolete. In essence, you are forced to choose between using another mount or mastery or the skyscale. Other mounts and masteries can combo together. Skyscale cannot. If I use an oakheart's essence to traverse up a cliff, I should be able to use my skyscale to scale my way up the rest of the cliff WITHOUT having to rely on a 60 second cooldown just to use the mount initially. Again, the jet here does what the helicopter fails to do. Sounds silly, but the Griffon is already doing what the Skyscale can. Going up. As it stands, a skyscale mounted mid-air above starting elevation is still just a glorified glider with a dash.
    • Another thing that could be improved upon is the wall-jumping. The TOTAL amount of flightbar and height you get from BOTH endurance bars TOGETHER is fine. But I feel like they need to just limit the Skyscale to just one endurance bar, and then double the effective strength of a jump and the flight stamina you get from it and make it behave like a springer jump where you can decide how much to use instead of just doing tiny little jumps up the side of a cliff. Right now, wall-climbing on skyscale while useful, takes too much time and is too cumbersome. Imagine if the roller beetle had two endurance bars, but a single boost was only half as powerful. That's basically what skyscale is now. You also have to hold down jump to use your endurance and if you don't hold it down long enough, your endurance is wasted. You shouldn't have to build it up like that unless it behaves like the springer which is does not. You should just be able to push a button and keyword; "Wall Launch" your way up.

    In most maps, these aren't an issue as they don't have much verticality to them. But in Verdant Brink, I really found myself wanting for that blue bar after taking an updraft and having no blue bar or nothing to wall launch off of just to reach something mere inches above me.

  • Sir Vincent III.1286Sir Vincent III.1286 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:
    If the Skyscale can regen stamina while grabbing on a ledge, sure it's better than the Griffin.
    If the Skyscale can crawl up the ledge to gain more height, then sure it's better than the Grifffin.
    Unfortunately, it can do neither.

    Skyscale is a helicopter compared to a jet plane, the Griffin.

    A helicopter is the superior aircraft in many circumstances. Is that your point about the Skyscale? That it is often superior to the other mounts?

    Yes and no. I was replying to a post stating that the Sktscale is better than the Griffin. Which is an obvious "no".

    However, the Griffin is not better than the Skyscale either.

    The last sentence in my post basically says, "you're comparing apple to a tomato".

    Thief F1 must remain an instacast Steal skill. DE will simply apply DE Mark on target on Steal.
    Malice build-up independently from DE Mark. Mark only speed up the build-up, not be the pre-requisite.
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  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    Only two issues with it. The cling is extremely oversensitive. And the air rescue needs work. If you are too high, you plummet with red bar. Elsewise its a joy to use.

    Those are the two issues that truly need an overhaul, and soon. Everything else (ascending/descending speed and range) would just be a nice bonus.

    The cling is like velcro. Don't fly through trees or in close proximity of an object. The decent I've gotten used to and once my bar is empty, I head to the nearest flat spot to regenerate.

    The only other issue I have with it is the straight up vertical climb rate. It could use some tweaking. Otherwise you have to move forward to climb faster.

    Playing the PvE scene because WvW is just "BAD"...

  • bluberblasen.9684bluberblasen.9684 Member ✭✭✭

    @zeldara.4127 said:
    Love the skyscale. More then i thought i would. It quickly became my nr 1 mount now it's all mastered up. I like to casually explore, don't usually need to be places asap. And skyscale is perfect for it. Been revisiting maps to knock out some achievements I hadn't done yet/could not reach/were to troublesome and the skyscale made it way easier. Also it gives a new perspective on a lot of maps, making me revisit maps and fly around having fun, just playing tourist. All maps are totally revitalized (for a while) by scyscale for me. So yeah I'd definitely;y say Skyscale is a pleasure to fly. And safe the bit over the top 250 currency for each map (had about 1/3th), I didn't mind the collections and such. Took me a little over 3 weeks total.

    could not describe it better :)
    +1 i never liked pve that much ... only done it for the legendary " needed " map reward..
    now i ENJOY pve !

  • jinxykat.6519jinxykat.6519 Member ✭✭✭

    I finally got mine and while it's taking some practice (i had no idea what i was doing even after using rentals) i'm getting better. I like the precision, as with my damaged nerves in my hands it's rather easy for to me to overshoot the mark on my griffon, with skyscale i find it much easier to land exactly where i want to land. A bit slower but that's fine by me. Still working on its masteries but love it so far.

    The beatings will continue until moral improves!!

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    When doing the casino coin event the skyscale is perfect for it. Also for HoT maps the skyscale shines compared to anything else.

    Nothing beats griffon in HoT maps.

    Remember that one hero point in Verdant Brink, where you go down, down, down, looking for this one little hole in the wall/tree to scoot through, and if your griffon misses it, you have to find a place to land before you hit the bottom of the chasm, then WP back to the top to start over? Just sayin'.

    In some other thread I mentioned that Dragon's Stand HP where you have to jump and land on that needle-like tower top in the middle of a pit.

    In my days we used gliders and never missed it. The only use for skyscale in HoT maps is that one MP in VB with horrible jumping puzzle squeezed in the wrecks of airships.
    yet we got it too with no mount.

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  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @pinguadoido.6581 said:
    Best mount ever!!

    A word of advice: those mini raptor kitten from HoT maps WILL tear you apart if you fly low enough. How low you ask? Higher than you would think. Apparently those suckers jump up to 6 meters high.

    Be careful out there. They are coming.

    Yeah, their attack is a ranged attack.

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  • @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    I find the negative comments on this thread puzzling. Exactly what is the goal in posting them? Players are here posting about how they enjoy the skyscale. What value, exactly, do you think is delivered by posting about how you think the mount is useless and unnecessary? Do you think those comments will force other players to suddenly stop enjoying using the skyscale?

    So you don't like the skyscale. Cool. Don't use it. You might be surprised to find that nobody cares whether you do or don't, you're free to play GW2 as you wish.

    Well you know what they say...

    "Every party needs a pooper..."

    Sing along, everyone!

  • Taygus.4571Taygus.4571 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Echostorm.9143 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    I find the negative comments on this thread puzzling. Exactly what is the goal in posting them? Players are here posting about how they enjoy the skyscale. What value, exactly, do you think is delivered by posting about how you think the mount is useless and unnecessary? Do you think those comments will force other players to suddenly stop enjoying using the skyscale?

    So you don't like the skyscale. Cool. Don't use it. You might be surprised to find that nobody cares whether you do or don't, you're free to play GW2 as you wish.

    The white knights of GW will not tolerate dissent! Praise the skyscale or get out! Everything in GW is perfect!

    It takes some ego to think that negative comments about the game are aimed at you. The actual thinking is that the developers read these threads and if they just see page after page of fan bois worshiping the skyscales as they are they'll leave them like that instead of making them better.

    I'm more surprised that these suck up threads get made and that people like you get so upset about any criticism of the game you had nothing to do with making unless you're an undercover anet employee.

    There also have been loads of threads about ways to improve the skyscale. Comments regarding its flaws would be more fitting to those threads.

    After unlocking every thing on the skyscale. I don't find it flawed at all.

  • Kaliwenda.3428Kaliwenda.3428 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ygdrasill.9135 said:
    Many kittens were uttered in the pursuit of the Skyscale, buit those were quicly forgotten after actually getting the Skyscale. I like exploring the map and sometimes I need to check the map to figure out where I'm going. there isn't a better mount for that. There are some things it makes trivial that maybe weren't initially meant to be. Need to cap out your volatile magic orb gathering? It's trivial and fast on the skyscale. I know the griffon is faster, but I like the feel of soaring (as long as I stay within the altitude range). It's actually messed me up with the control of the griffon a bit. I keep wanting to fly that the same way and it just doesn't.

    I just unlocked the Skyscale this morning, and I agree with you that it made all my grumbling be quickly forgotten too. :)

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