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  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Daishi.6027 said:
    but I'm skeptical of A-net to do this properly given, the amount of bias and double standards there is against mesmer from both devs and players alike. Let's say that's all in the past and devs have an even handed perspective: Even if they are going to do it reasonably well, and honestly I'm totally on board with bringing everything down a bit; but I have my doubts a-net will do this in a timely manner. If it's going to take them till the end of August or September to bring those specs down, then they should have left mesmer par and reduced everything together.

    Fair points. and I've heard that viewpoint before. I would be inclined to agree, except I am almost positive that the more things Anet tries to "fix" at once without taking a barometric reading, the easier it is for things to go horribly, horribly wrong.

    Increments are fine, as long as they are timely. If they're not I can work on something else until things get finished up.

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  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    None of this helps.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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  • Jack.8124Jack.8124 Member ✭✭

    !We really need big buff in mesmers right now!
    None of top players are using it in AT, or monthly Tournaments.. That's sooooooo sad.
    Please, we need HELP

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:
    Just wanted to say...

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    Condi mesmer doesn't do damage anymore

    Huh??? Condi mesmers probably the second most used condi build after Scourge

    ^This is like saying "boats are probably the second most used means of overseas travel after planes."

    Something being a distant second in a situation with only two options really isn't saying much about the second's efficacy.

    People criticize engineer's rifle all the time. Even though it's only 1 of 2 Core Engi MH weapons, and the other is trash.

    But yeah... condi as a whole needs a revamp.

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  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @Jack.8124 said:
    !We really need big buff in mesmers right now!
    None of top players are using it in AT, or monthly Tournaments.. That's sooooooo sad.
    Please, we need HELP

    no we don't there are 9 core classes plus 18 elite specs, yet there are only 5 spots, other less played classes and elite specs need to shine, mesmers have been in the core line up for way too long

    looking at your profile, this is your one and only post thread and the only one you commented on
    if you only come on the forum just to complain mesmer got nerfed from being super over-powered to slightly over powered, it shows that you are a single class pony, time to pick another class and start training

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  • As long mesmer can 1-shot nearly anyone out of stealth it should not be in meta. And it still can.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    What changed was that Arenanet power crept the hell out of Physical Skills and the Strength traitline.

    exactly, not just that, it's pretty much everything, they've been just kept on throwing more dmg and more def into everything pretty much everything; Anet need to mass nerf all builds and rethink how to tweak balancing

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  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    Spellbreaker: tons of cc and defence
    Herald: great engage and ridic unblockable burst (also brings boons)
    Scourge: AoE denial and corrupt (also brings barriers)
    FB: heal/boonbot (booons)
    Thief: Unrivaled Mobility

    Thats probably the most common/successful lineup atm...

    I think mesmer is falling off in pvp because of less teamutility (not enough fancy boons), less mobility than teef and less bulk and cc than warrior.

    If the meta stopped farting out boons with every move a mesmer would probably be more welcome, because they DO got great burst potential, they ARE slipperly, they ARE quite mobile and they ARE disruptive.

    Problems with flat out buffing mesmer is that they are still topdogs in:
    WvW Roaming + always got room for 1-3 in Zergs.
    PvE (power/condi/utility)
    PvP in lower brackets

    Back in the days it was said that a thief was the bane of a mesmers existance, and i dont think Anet is too fond of giving mesmers more "mobility/utility" so they can replace thieves in that department. (thieves already have a hardtime outside of playing a racing car between uncontested nodes)

    They already took a dump on Mesmers in the boongame (not specifically PvP but still), so i dont think thats coming back anytime soon...

    Lastly i dont think they want to bulk up a mesmers defence, cc or burst because less reactive players might die of low self-esteem.. .

  • Tbh, anyone who complains about any type of Mesmer being too strong in 2019 sounds incredibly out of touch.

  • Zawn.9647Zawn.9647 Member ✭✭✭

    are you kidding right? buff on mesmer? LOL

  • Yoci.2481Yoci.2481 Member ✭✭

    And in WvW.

  • Jables.4659Jables.4659 Member ✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

  • @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2019

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    Indeed Solori had scourge avatar to jebait ppl with it, still working xD.
    Thread is pretty old but its getting way closer to truth than before. Power mesmer is trash since forever,F for chrono(worse than druid now), condi mirage is still there but pretty weakened compared to how it used to be

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • kraai.7265kraai.7265 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 10, 2019

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

    @Daishi.6027 said:
    If mesmer was carried by build before, does that mean Rangers, Engies, and Wars are getting carried by their builds now?
    Having builds that have equal or more defensive options, and either high burst or more reliable damage?

    Yes. The above classes need to be looked at and need changes made to them as well. Heralds might also need tuning, though I am willing to kind of hold the conclusion on that due to how allergic they are to conditions. No classes should be able to attain a build or rotation that walls any counterplay out. That's the only way the meta is going to become autonomous.

    Does that mean thief, has been carried for years? Because until PoF dropped, and excluding S1 Chronobunk (which was gutted immediately) Mes was pretty much easily replaced in slot by thief if not Portal since pre HoT, and later double moa?

    No. And portal nerf needs to be reverted anyway.

    I'm usually the first one to come to the forums running my mouth about mesmer, but there are several nerfs that were done before the previous round that need to be addressed at least in part, IMO.

    That being said.

    I want to see where this goes. If they are slowly taking all of the overperforming specs down a peg, I want to see what the game looks like after Spellbreaker, Soulbeast, Scrapper and Holosmith get touched before I start yammering about unneeded nerfs outside of Portal. The past few patches have been heavy tone downs of toxic mechanics. I want to see if that pattern continues.

    If they pretend to give chrono treatment to every other overperforming spec then this game is freaking doomed, chrono feels so clunky and out of place in this "action" mmorpg, if they make every other class so clunky and stupid it's the end of gw2

    If everything gets bumped down a peg, then dead traits and the like can be discussed. I am totally fine with every class having to manage their resources as hard as, say, thief. Every class has dead traits, some have had dead traits for years. Mesmer being late to that party is not a travesty to me.

    [ quietly chuckles in evasive mirror not having 100% uptime anymore on dodge, the audacity of that trait pre-nerf. ]

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Bruh, are you still lurking in... in dis dead gaem?:D

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Bruh, are you still lurking in... in dis dead gaem?:D

    I check the forums every now and then hoping that something changes for the better (and my fiance and I do story stuff when it is released).
    I'm usually disappointed or amused. In this case I was more amused :D

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Bruh, are you still lurking in... in dis dead gaem?:D

    I check the forums every now and then hoping that something changes for the better (and my fiance and I do story stuff when it is released).
    I'm usually disappointed or amused. In this case I was more amused :D

    I'm playing another game for now, watching forum to laugh at people and their bias towards aids like condi thief, holo etc. No regrets for leaving this clownfiesta

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Bruh, are you still lurking in... in dis dead gaem?:D

    I check the forums every now and then hoping that something changes for the better (and my fiance and I do story stuff when it is released).
    I'm usually disappointed or amused. In this case I was more amused :D

    I'm playing another game for now, watching forum to laugh at people and their bias towards aids like condi thief, holo etc. No regrets for leaving this clownfiesta

    hey, its fun to use bad overnerfed build and kill people on overpowered specs, and have them rage spam mesmer op. Then i ping them vial of salt <3

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Bruh, are you still lurking in... in dis dead gaem?:D

    I check the forums every now and then hoping that something changes for the better (and my fiance and I do story stuff when it is released).
    I'm usually disappointed or amused. In this case I was more amused :D

    I'm playing another game for now, watching forum to laugh at people and their bias towards aids like condi thief, holo etc. No regrets for leaving this clownfiesta

    hey, its fun to use bad overnerfed build and kill people on overpowered specs, and have them rage spam mesmer op. Then i ping them vial of salt <3

    Dead game,dead class, clowns took over the game they dont even know and that the result, gg bb

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Bruh, are you still lurking in... in dis dead gaem?:D

    I check the forums every now and then hoping that something changes for the better (and my fiance and I do story stuff when it is released).
    I'm usually disappointed or amused. In this case I was more amused :D

    I'm playing another game for now, watching forum to laugh at people and their bias towards aids like condi thief, holo etc. No regrets for leaving this clownfiesta

    I've been pleasantly surprised with how fast paced and better balanced Destiny 2 PvP is.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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  • Flandre.2870Flandre.2870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2019

    Big issue with mesmer is that thief absolutely farms you after the evade uptime nerf.
    Another one is that your damage is static projectiles so you have effectively ZERO kill potential.
    Also mesmer has lost all the unique utility that made it worthy a pick.
    There's absolutely no reason for anyone to ever play mesmer because you are a node bot that gets farmed the moment a thief appears, and why would u want a mesmer as node bot when staff thief/ele are a thing.
    Your damage in teamfights is laughable beacuse firebrand negates it. Menawhile warrior has insane teamfight presence.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2019

    @Flandre.2870 said:
    Big issue with mesmer is that thief absolutely farms you after the evade uptime nerf.
    Another one is that your damage is static projectiles so you have effectively ZERO kill potential.
    Also mesmer has lost all the unique utility that made it worthy a pick.
    There's absolutely no reason for anyone to ever play mesmer because you are a node bot that gets farmed the moment a thief appears, and why would u want a mesmer as node bot when staff thief/ele are a thing.
    Your damage in teamfights is laughable beacuse firebrand negates it. Menawhile warrior has insane teamfight presence.

    yep, preety much this.
    but I did find some success with hybrid axe/pistal + staff.
    signet of illusion resets f4, f4 cleanses. wizard ammy, runes of traveler.
    it wont suddenly win against the thiefs but it doesnt suddenly topple over and dies like all other builds do.
    problem with thief against mesmer is mostly that not only does thief win 1v1 but its also more mobile, so you cant even escape.
    to anyone that struggles on cmirage give this axe/staff build a shot, take getting used to but its worth a try.

    arcane thievery can be switched for mantra of pain, for extra burst at the cost of removing boons/cleanse.

    edit forgot to add link, ehre it is:
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAcqZlRwwYKsLmJWuP1vPA-zZxsMisCyMFkfA

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2019

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:

    @Jables.4659 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Honestly OP, people would rather not have to think when they pvp. If it cant be button mashed to death then it is too good.
    Like as soon as a profession makes you have to think, it's immediately OP and needs to be gutted. It's why in 2019 we still have people complaining about clones.

    This is kind of hilarious coming from someone with a scourge avatar.

    And this is why conclusions should not be made based on avatars. Solori isn't a Scourge "main". He was meming.

    I'm just happy people are still falling for it :D. Says a lot about people that do

    Bruh, are you still lurking in... in dis dead gaem?:D

    I check the forums every now and then hoping that something changes for the better (and my fiance and I do story stuff when it is released).
    I'm usually disappointed or amused. In this case I was more amused :D

    I'm playing another game for now, watching forum to laugh at people and their bias towards aids like condi thief, holo etc. No regrets for leaving this clownfiesta

    I've been pleasantly surprised with how fast paced and better balanced Destiny 2 PvP is.

    Thats what I'm playing for now o_O
    Wouldnt call its super balanced but its uber unfriendly for newcomers (especially because weapons matters and long time players have proper gear and perks and u are not)

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