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Possibly an unpopular Opinion...

Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited June 14, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

But one I think is right, which is why it's my opinion -

I don't really see the point of refusing to have low-level horse/camel style mounts. I really think these should exist just to add immersion to the world. They don't really need any special properties. Just a basic mount with some different skins available.

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  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DeanBB.4268 said:
    That would be the Warclaw.

    Not by design, but if you don't want to boost to 80 or spoil the story by starting the 1st mission, the Warclaw is your only alternative, as you are boosted to LV 80 while in WvW. Takes longer to get than a Raptor, but the choice is there.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Be careful what you wish for. PoF is needed for mounts and is all level 80 content. I don't imagine that the skyscale will be the last mount, since the game is basically mount skin fashion wars. And, like a lot of things in game that used to be available for all levels, that got changed to "level 80 only" or "must be x level to use", I imagine at some point they will do the same thing with mounts to maintain that some of the population still uses each mount type.

    Must be level 15 to ride a raptor
    must be level 30 for a springer
    level 45 for a skimmer and rollerbeetle
    level 60 for a jackal and warclaw
    level 75 for a griffon
    level 80 for skyscale and newer mounts

    I imagine this is what they will get around to eventually, other wise some of the old mounts become redundant and never used. Newer mounts nearly always being better. It's safe to say we will get a water mount, maybe a couple different ones, because they can just reskin land mounts, and make them work underwater = gem store sales.
    They could actually do this and just make the skyscale actually fly, but I don't imagine that will happen, yet.

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  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Seera.5916 said:

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    Be careful what you wish for. PoF is needed for mounts and is all level 80 content. I don't imagine that the skyscale will be the last mount, since the game is basically mount skin fashion wars. And, like a lot of things in game that used to be available for all levels, that got changed to "level 80 only" or "must be x level to use", I imagine at some point they will do the same thing with mounts to maintain that some of the population still uses each mount type.

    Must be level 15 to ride a raptor
    must be level 30 for a springer
    level 45 for a skimmer and rollerbeetle
    level 60 for a jackal and warclaw
    level 75 for a griffon
    level 80 for skyscale and newer mounts

    I imagine this is what they will get around to eventually, other wise some of the old mounts become redundant and never used. Newer mounts nearly always being better. It's safe to say we will get a water mount, maybe a couple different ones, because they can just reskin land mounts, and make them work underwater = gem store sales.
    They could actually do this and just make the skyscale actually fly, but I don't imagine that will happen, yet.

    Don't see why limiting mounts on low level characters is needed. Level 80's on those zones will be able to use them there so why not existing players who unlocked mounts on their main but are leveling an alt?

    Don't know if they would do that or not, but they keep making items and then adding level 80 restrictions to them, like the living world teleport scrolls or the griffon refuge one. People using them to get low level toons to those maps, than they change it to level 80 only. I imagine as they continue to add mounts, mounts will get more redundant, meaning, no need to ever use the low level mount because the newer mount does everything better (skyscale is pretty close to that already). So, I can see them adding a level restriction at some point to force at least some players to interact with the map content on lower maps, instead of everyone just using skyscale to bypass everything. I also imagine they will start adding mobs to the newer maps that will work like the anti-air bolt in wvw. Dismount players as they fly by. Kind of like the mobs did knocking us off our gliders in living season 3.

    Lost in the Maguuma (TC)
    For the geographically challenged, yes, Tarnished Coast is located IN the Maguuma Jungle.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Give 3-4 points in core Tyria where people can get a free temporary Raptor mount (similar to the Skyscale and PoF mounts in respective content) so core accounts can see how mounts function to encourage PoF purchases.

    No, to a baseline useless fluff mount. That's just redundant or covered by the Warclaw.

    I mean fair enough, but does anyone really need to test a mount to figure out if that's something they would want? When I started GW2 I decided not to use a boost to 80 and unlock raptor as many suggested, but instead played my Ranger w/Signet of the Hunt until LV 80, and then unlocked the Raptor + Springer before starting HoT content.

    But through all that time I saw people zipping past on their Raptors or leaping past me to the POI/Vistas on their Springers. I didn't need a test drive to decide "yeah, I want that".

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  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    All you have to do is purchase PoF and have a Lv80 rando help you unlock the mount you want. Raptor, Springer, Skimmer and Jackal are easily gotten with a little help, even for a low level.

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:
    I do really think there should be a basic mount at this point that can be obtained prior to PoF/level 80.

    Yes, my suggestion exactly. Something without special skills other than being faster than traveling on foot. A horse is what comes to mind. :)

    ANet could add another tier to the core Tyrian Mastery Track.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Be careful what you wish for...

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rukario.1695 said:
    All you have to do is purchase PoF and have a Lv80 rando help you unlock the mount you want. Raptor, Springer, Skimmer and Jackal are easily gotten with a little help, even for a low level.

    That is clearly not the point, as I very explicitly said in my original post.

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭

    I think they should have rent a mounts for people that dont have pof , and f2p. They dont need anything fancy just put a vendor in that you can rent a no frills mount from for a certain amount of silver or gold. These wouldnt be permanent but would last an hour. I think that would go a long way to attracting new players and showing them that if they get pof they get even better mounts that do more. Longevity is the name of the game, you need new players or the game will start to stall, or go completely cash shop in order to maintain the game. New players attracted then buying expansions makes for more revenue

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:
    But one I think is right, which is why it's my opinion -

    I don't really see the point of refusing to have low-level horse/camel style mounts. I really think these should exist just to add immersion to the world. They don't really need any special properties. Just a basic mount with some different skins available.

    Since access to mounts require purchase of PoF. And all you need to do is access first mission in PoF and raptor will be available to all your characters at any level.

    Not sure who this will service? People who are playing GW2 for the first time and purchased PoF? That is an extremely small group.

  • DeanBB.4268DeanBB.4268 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tiviana.2650 said:
    I think they should have rent a mounts for people that dont have pof , and f2p. They dont need anything fancy just put a vendor in that you can rent a no frills mount from for a certain amount of silver or gold. These wouldnt be permanent but would last an hour. I think that would go a long way to attracting new players and showing them that if they get pof they get even better mounts that do more. Longevity is the name of the game, you need new players or the game will start to stall, or go completely cash shop in order to maintain the game. New players attracted then buying expansions makes for more revenue

    Rent-a-mounts are not necessary. Only my main account has the expansions, so when I'm playing on one of the alt accounts, people are zooming past or over me all the time. Or simply hopping up to a vista. The appeal of mounts is obvious, Anet need do nothing to promote them.

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  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    horses doesnt exist in tyria. Their closest animal cousin is the Dolyak. And no, you need to buy the expansion before you should be allowed to have mounts. With a little bit of creativity, lowbies can soon have their own mounts.

  • Cameryn.5310Cameryn.5310 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    I imagine at some point they will do the same thing with mounts to maintain that some of the population still uses each mount type.

    Must be level 15 to ride a raptor
    must be level 30 for a springer
    level 45 for a skimmer and rollerbeetle
    level 60 for a jackal and warclaw
    level 75 for a griffon
    level 80 for skyscale and newer mounts

    I imagine this is what they will get around to eventually

    Absolutely not. Let's remember that it's almost certain the VAST majority of leveling characters nowadays are alts, not new players. By vast, I mean upwards of 80%. With the convenience we've all gotten used to since PoF came out, do you honestly think most players would level new alts if we DIDN'T have access to our mounts in core Tyria? I think that basically kills the idea of putting restrictions on them. I'd never level another character again if I had to go back to running around without mounts or gliders.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Give 3-4 points in core Tyria where people can get a free temporary Raptor mount (similar to the Skyscale and PoF mounts in respective content) so core accounts can see how mounts function to encourage PoF purchases.

    No, to a baseline useless fluff mount. That's just redundant or covered by the Warclaw.

    I mean fair enough, but does anyone really need to test a mount to figure out if that's something they would want? When I started GW2 I decided not to use a boost to 80 and unlock raptor as many suggested, but instead played my Ranger w/Signet of the Hunt until LV 80, and then unlocked the Raptor + Springer before starting HoT content.

    But through all that time I saw people zipping past on their Raptors or leaping past me to the POI/Vistas on their Springers. I didn't need a test drive to decide "yeah, I want that".

    Oh I fully agree.

    I was just sticking to the spirit of the thread in what type of baseline mount might be acceptable.

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't forsee them adding a basic non-PoF mount at least until they add another expansion. Right now PoF is the latest expansion with mounts as one of the number one selling points for it. They are not going to give that out for free because they want people to buy PoF. Maybe, but only maybe, they will consider something like this after they have moved past PoF and into a new expansion.

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  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:
    I do really think there should be a basic mount at this point that can be obtained prior to PoF/level 80.

    Yes, my suggestion exactly. Something without special skills other than being faster than traveling on foot. A horse is what comes to mind. :)

    ANet could add another tier to the core Tyrian Mastery Track.

    There are NO LIVING horses in Tyria...so the answer to this is no, it's not necessary for Core Tyria to have a mount.

    @Ubi.4136 said:

    @Seera.5916 said:

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    Be careful what you wish for. PoF is needed for mounts and is all level 80 content. I don't imagine that the skyscale will be the last mount, since the game is basically mount skin fashion wars. And, like a lot of things in game that used to be available for all levels, that got changed to "level 80 only" or "must be x level to use", I imagine at some point they will do the same thing with mounts to maintain that some of the population still uses each mount type.

    Must be level 15 to ride a raptor
    must be level 30 for a springer
    level 45 for a skimmer and rollerbeetle
    level 60 for a jackal and warclaw
    level 75 for a griffon
    level 80 for skyscale and newer mounts

    I imagine this is what they will get around to eventually, other wise some of the old mounts become redundant and never used. Newer mounts nearly always being better. It's safe to say we will get a water mount, maybe a couple different ones, because they can just reskin land mounts, and make them work underwater = gem store sales.
    They could actually do this and just make the skyscale actually fly, but I don't imagine that will happen, yet.

    Don't see why limiting mounts on low level characters is needed. Level 80's on those zones will be able to use them there so why not existing players who unlocked mounts on their main but are leveling an alt?

    Don't know if they would do that or not, but they keep making items and then adding level 80 restrictions to them, like the living world teleport scrolls or the griffon refuge one. People using them to get low level toons to those maps, than they change it to level 80 only. I imagine as they continue to add mounts, mounts will get more redundant, meaning, no need to ever use the low level mount because the newer mount does everything better (skyscale is pretty close to that already). So, I can see them adding a level restriction at some point to force at least some players to interact with the map content on lower maps, instead of everyone just using skyscale to bypass everything. I also imagine they will start adding mobs to the newer maps that will work like the anti-air bolt in wvw. Dismount players as they fly by. Kind of like the mobs did knocking us off our gliders in living season 3.

    Take a moment and think about what you said regarding ArenaNet restricting items to use by level 80's only. Why would an item that takes a player to a Level 80 zone be allowed to be used by a lower leveled player? It was probably an oversight at original release for that item to be used by a lower level character.

    As for additional mounts...we may or may not see more, I think if we do it will be an underwater mount and that's it, there really is no reason for ArenaNet to add more mounts other than that with the introduction of the Skyscale(and each one is not better than the other, they all have their own niches and excel in one particular area).
    Remember though these are all just opinions and no one but ArenaNet themselves knows the future(in regards to GW2 that is).

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  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:
    But one I think is right, which is why it's my opinion -

    I don't really see the point of refusing to have low-level horse/camel style mounts. I really think these should exist just to add immersion to the world. They don't really need any special properties. Just a basic mount with some different skins available.

    I would enjoy a horse mount...

    ..but how would this add immersion?

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cameryn.5310 said:

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    I imagine at some point they will do the same thing with mounts to maintain that some of the population still uses each mount type.

    Must be level 15 to ride a raptor
    must be level 30 for a springer
    level 45 for a skimmer and rollerbeetle
    level 60 for a jackal and warclaw
    level 75 for a griffon
    level 80 for skyscale and newer mounts

    I imagine this is what they will get around to eventually

    Absolutely not. Let's remember that it's almost certain the VAST majority of leveling characters nowadays are alts, not new players. By vast, I mean upwards of 80%. With the convenience we've all gotten used to since PoF came out, do you honestly think most players would level new alts if we DIDN'T have access to our mounts in core Tyria? I think that basically kills the idea of putting restrictions on them. I'd never level another character again if I had to go back to running around without mounts or gliders.

    I would bet that almost all of these alts are people getting their weekly free keys for story line. Anet has already put a dent in earning rewards pre-level 80 in a lot of places. I am not saying they are gonna do this, cause I honestly wouldn't know, but I can see them doing this eventually. There is little chance they are going to abandon the "make new mounts to sell skins" concept, so mounts are starting to get redundant. There is certainly precedent for them deciding we weren't playing the game the way they intended, and forcing a change on the playerbase. When people start to choose one mount only, and use it to bypass most content, I can see this happening.

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  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @DeanBB.4268 said:
    That would be the Warclaw.

    Not by design, but if you don't want to boost to 80 or spoil the story by starting the 1st mission, the Warclaw is your only alternative, as you are boosted to LV 80 while in WvW. Takes longer to get than a Raptor, but the choice is there.

    An experienced player could take you to get your mount at any level if you own PoF. I've taken many new players to get their mount even at level 14 or 15.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ubi.4136 said:

    @Cameryn.5310 said:

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    I imagine at some point they will do the same thing with mounts to maintain that some of the population still uses each mount type.

    Must be level 15 to ride a raptor
    must be level 30 for a springer
    level 45 for a skimmer and rollerbeetle
    level 60 for a jackal and warclaw
    level 75 for a griffon
    level 80 for skyscale and newer mounts

    I imagine this is what they will get around to eventually

    Absolutely not. Let's remember that it's almost certain the VAST majority of leveling characters nowadays are alts, not new players. By vast, I mean upwards of 80%. With the convenience we've all gotten used to since PoF came out, do you honestly think most players would level new alts if we DIDN'T have access to our mounts in core Tyria? I think that basically kills the idea of putting restrictions on them. I'd never level another character again if I had to go back to running around without mounts or gliders.

    I would bet that almost all of these alts are people getting their weekly free keys for story line. Anet has already put a dent in earning rewards pre-level 80 in a lot of places. I am not saying they are gonna do this, cause I honestly wouldn't know, but I can see them doing this eventually. There is little chance they are going to abandon the "make new mounts to sell skins" concept, so mounts are starting to get redundant. There is certainly precedent for them deciding we weren't playing the game the way they intended, and forcing a change on the playerbase. When people start to choose one mount only, and use it to bypass most content, I can see this happening.

    @Ubi.4136 said:

    @Cameryn.5310 said:

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    I imagine at some point they will do the same thing with mounts to maintain that some of the population still uses each mount type.

    Must be level 15 to ride a raptor
    must be level 30 for a springer
    level 45 for a skimmer and rollerbeetle
    level 60 for a jackal and warclaw
    level 75 for a griffon
    level 80 for skyscale and newer mounts

    I imagine this is what they will get around to eventually

    Absolutely not. Let's remember that it's almost certain the VAST majority of leveling characters nowadays are alts, not new players. By vast, I mean upwards of 80%. With the convenience we've all gotten used to since PoF came out, do you honestly think most players would level new alts if we DIDN'T have access to our mounts in core Tyria? I think that basically kills the idea of putting restrictions on them. I'd never level another character again if I had to go back to running around without mounts or gliders.

    I would bet that almost all of these alts are people getting their weekly free keys for story line. Anet has already put a dent in earning rewards pre-level 80 in a lot of places. I am not saying they are gonna do this, cause I honestly wouldn't know, but I can see them doing this eventually. There is little chance they are going to abandon the "make new mounts to sell skins" concept, so mounts are starting to get redundant. There is certainly precedent for them deciding we weren't playing the game the way they intended, and forcing a change on the playerbase. When people start to choose one mount only, and use it to bypass most content, I can see this happening.

    I'd be willing to wager this isn't the case. That is, I don't think the majority of the population key farms, and since each player who does can only do it once a week, it's unlikely that this is the case. Plenty of new and returning players all the time. I don't key farm but I have 43 alts.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Nonsense. See screenshot below. The reason we don't SEE any is that the designers knew that, had they implemented them as ambient creatures, players would not have stopped begging for the abiliity to ride them. And, as you know, mounts were only introduced to the game 5 years after release. That would have been 5 years of constant annoying begging for mounts.

    Except few wanted mounts. We didnt care. Why? Because you still literally run faster than a centaur on comparably small maps. A mount was never seen as something needed and ambient horses wouldnt have changed anything anything more than the presence of centaurs or dollys did.

    Besides, now that we have mounts people seem intent on constantly and annoyingly beg for horses.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Except few wanted mounts. We didnt care.

    Exactly. That would have been differently had there been visible horses on maps.

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Besides, now that we have mounts people seem intent on constantly and annoyingly beg for horses.

    There is no mount more majestic than a horse.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    Besides, now that we have mounts people seem intent on constantly and annoyingly beg for horses.

    It seems to me that it isn't begging for horses as much as it is begging for a free mount without having to buy the necessary expansion. To me, that's an entitlement mentality.

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  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Nonsense. See screenshot below.

    Knowing what horses are and them being real are two different things. We all know what a Charr or a Dragon is, don't we?

    The reason we don't SEE any is that the designers knew that, had they implemented them as ambient creatures, players would not have stopped begging for the abiliity to ride them. And, as you know, mounts were only introduced to the game 5 years after release. That would have been 5 years of constant annoying begging for mounts.

    Yeah, wonder what that's like... *looks at old threads doing exactly that for the entire history of the forums...

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @DeanBB.4268 said:
    That would be the Warclaw.

    Not by design, but if you don't want to boost to 80 or spoil the story by starting the 1st mission, the Warclaw is your only alternative, as you are boosted to LV 80 while in WvW. Takes longer to get than a Raptor, but the choice is there.

    An experienced player could take you to get your mount at any level if you own PoF. I've taken many new players to get their mount even at level 14 or 15.

    Dident they remake it so only level 80s could start the pof story?

  • Steve The Cynic.3217Steve The Cynic.3217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    Give 3-4 points in core Tyria where people can get a free temporary Raptor mount (similar to the Skyscale and PoF mounts in respective content) so core accounts can see how mounts function to encourage PoF purchases.

    No, to a baseline useless fluff mount. That's just redundant or covered by the Warclaw.

    There are already rental mounts in core Tyria, at the Roller Beetle Racing points.

    @Biff.5312 said:
    Exercise your whimsy.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    ANet could add another tier to the core Tyrian Mastery Track.

    You do realize that Core Tyria mastery is locked behind playing the first story chapter of either expansion, right?

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:
    Horses may not be visible in game but they are there and the NPCs know what they are. They are well known enough for Caithe, Logan Thackeray and Rytlock Brimstone to recognize them on sight.

    [Horse]

    The earliest records of horses show that they existed on Cantha during the reign of Emperor Kaineng Tah. According to Loremaster Ermenred, the emperor was renowned for his horseback riding but died under mysterious circumstances while hunting in 464 BE with reports claiming that his horse had gone wild and killed him.

    As humanity expanded from Cantha to Orr and Kryta, they used horses for various tasks in their new colonies as well, though it is unclear whether they brought horses with them or if horses were native in other lands. Both Orrians and Krytans were known to have horses for riding as well, both in military and leisure use in the case of the latter. Mad King Thorn is known to have had many horsemen under his command in life and undeath. It is unclear whether Ascalonians or Elonians ever had horses in their nations; however, they have made occasional references to them so it is clear they knew of horses at the very least. Similarly, Elonians have in the past enslaved centaurs to work them in the same manner as they worked horses.

    In 1319 AE, Caithe, Logan Thackeray and Rytlock Brimstone used an old asura gate to flee from Destroyers in dwarven ruins. While calibrating the gate to take them to a safe location, they saw glimpses of other Tyrian regions, including a grassy plain with what they identified as wild horses. As recently as 1325 AE, Krytans used equines to pull carts and carriages in Queensdale.

    My opinion is that gw2 didn’t have visible horses as part of a running joke. The horses are in game but always just out of sight, just around the corner and only seen by NPCs. Nothing deeper than that and since they now can be monetized they can be visibly added to the game if ANet wants without breaking lore.

    Thank you! <3 I hate it when people insist that horses are neither known nor exist in Tyria. :angry:

  • DonArkanio.6419DonArkanio.6419 Member ✭✭✭

    Well, in my opinion GW2 loses its immersion (especially on CORE) because of mounts.
    While I understand someone would want more mounts, I am against this.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:
    But one I think is right, which is why it's my opinion -

    I don't really see the point of refusing to have low-level horse/camel style mounts. I really think these should exist just to add immersion to the world. They don't really need any special properties. Just a basic mount with some different skins available.

    Two reasons really
    1. No matter how simple the idea they cost dev time and production
    2. Alternatives to your idea could exist, but the exact idea not, as horses are only depicted (even in game) only in folklore and legend. The horse in gw2 is quite the equivalent of our unicorn

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  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    horses are only depicted (even in game) only in folklore and legend. The horse in gw2 is quite the equivalent of our unicorn

    What about all of the examples given demonstrating that this is inaccurate?

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    horses are only depicted (even in game) only in folklore and legend. The horse in gw2 is quite the equivalent of our unicorn

    What about all of the examples given demonstrating that this is inaccurate?

    I only see examples of people arguing horses either don't exist, or have gone extinct prior to gw1.
    So, which example are you referring to?

    But the in-existence of horses is something that has been established a looong time ago, so its not even up to debate really.
    That said, there are great alternatives, like the sand gazelles, dolyaks, and lord Faren

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  • Tarlonniel.6534Tarlonniel.6534 Member ✭✭✭

    Suppresses urge to request a rideable Faren.

  • Kodokuna Akuma.9570Kodokuna Akuma.9570 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:
    But one I think is right, which is why it's my opinion -

    I don't really see the point of refusing to have low-level horse/camel style mounts. I really think these should exist just to add immersion to the world. They don't really need any special properties. Just a basic mount with some different skins available.

    The short answer no.

    The longer answer is that mounts change how a player traverses a map and consumes content. The core game was firstly not designed with these in mind so using them tends to trivilize content to an extent though in this aspect it could be considered fine as players who are using them in theory should have played through the core game during the leveling process. This also brings the point of experiencing the game without the mounts, a player who has not experience the game without mounts does not get the same appriciation from them as a player who has. On the marketing aspect that has been brought up in this thread that is also not relavent as players will see the usefulness and the "cool factor" of all these mounts that "everyone" around them has but they do not and be drawn to looking into getting PoF. So in that sense it sells itself.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    horses are only depicted (even in game) only in folklore and legend. The horse in gw2 is quite the equivalent of our unicorn

    What about all of the examples given demonstrating that this is inaccurate?

    I only see examples of people arguing horses either don't exist, or have gone extinct prior to gw1.
    So, which example are you referring to?

    But the in-existence of horses is something that has been established a looong time ago, so its not even up to debate really.
    That said, there are great alternatives, like the sand gazelles, dolyaks, and lord Faren

    You said only in folklore or legend. Sightings, or historical references are neither of those.

    And I would pay for the ability to use existing NPCs, such as Faren, as mounts.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This is why they should add a Central Tyria mount and unlock masteries immediately, rather than being spoiled from having to go into an expansion.

  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Horses really aren't a GW2 thing. I do think that new players who want to start the game from the personal story rather than jumping into PoF should be giving a basic mount. Given the restrictions and no major PvE lore attached to it; the warclaw would make a good mount for that if it were unlocked for all players.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 15, 2019

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @DeanBB.4268 said:
    That would be the Warclaw.

    Not by design, but if you don't want to boost to 80 or spoil the story by starting the 1st mission, the Warclaw is your only alternative, as you are boosted to LV 80 while in WvW. Takes longer to get than a Raptor, but the choice is there.

    An experienced player could take you to get your mount at any level if you own PoF. I've taken many new players to get their mount even at level 14 or 15.

    Dident they remake it so only level 80s could start the pof story?

    Yes, that's why I take people through it. Anyone can participate as long as a level 80 starts it. I've done it within the last few weeks.

  • runeblade.7514runeblade.7514 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 16, 2019

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:
    But one I think is right, which is why it's my opinion -

    I don't really see the point of refusing to have low-level horse/camel style mounts. I really think these should exist just to add immersion to the world. They don't really need any special properties. Just a basic mount with some different skins available.

    I would like this mount to be officially a Asura Hologram Mount. The purpose of this mount is to have as low animation requirement and have as much skin potential as possible. This way, we can have a car, horse, moa, ridable charr-slave, or whatever. By making it a hologram, it is loreful that anything can be a mount. Extinct horses can come back because its a hologram of a horse.

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  • runeblade.7514runeblade.7514 Member ✭✭✭

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    This is why they should add a Central Tyria mount and unlock masteries immediately, rather than being spoiled from having to go into an expansion.

    I agree with this. Not because of players being spoiled or whatever, but because then ANet can normalize map design for future expansions. Right now, PoF and LS4 maps are huge and full of empty spaces. It becomes even larger when you don't use mounts. However, Core, HoT, LS2, LS3 maps are tiny with mounts. By giving everyone a basic mount, ANet would just need to balance map design over mounts instead of both. This way, both PoF players and non-PoF players can enjoy future expansions.

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