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  • Ragnar.4257Ragnar.4257 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @Crius.5487 said:

    @Ragnar.4257 said:
    Riiiight, Moon landings were fake, 9/11 was inside job, Queen Elizabeth is a 10,000 year old lizard and 2008 crash was Illuminati.

    Look, I'm not saying this stuff never happens, but the way people talk here you'd think this is going on in nearly every game, across all tiers. I hate to break it to you, but nobody is win-trading in Gold tier or Unranked. If your team throws a game there, it's because, they suck and threw the game. Not because Illuminati. Outside of the top 10 this is 100% pointless and irrelevant.

    Had an important phone call, was in an unranked game, so I answered it. Stopped moving for 30 seconds and got accused of match manipulation. Manipulating with whom? The person who called me who has never heard of the game?

    This guy is correct, match manipulation only occurs at the very top of the leader board. Match manipulation is when someone pays someone on the opposing team to throw the game. There's a hundred reasons why someone might stop responding during a match. Maybe someone other than a Jehovah witness was knocking on the door, maybe the neighborhood stray cat got ran over by a dump truck, maybe it was the Publishers Clearing House in which case they're probably already on a boat in the Bahama's so good luck. Most of the time it's a reason other than match manipulation--especially if you're in plat 2 or below or unranked.

    Look, this guy posted on the exact same day as bluri. Coincidence? Smurf busted.

    And look at the date of this post. June 17th. And what season are we in? Coincidence?

    Smurfinati confirmed.

    Things don't just happen at random. Its all part of a master-plan to prevent the return of Vingador and to crown Kidinkk emperor of the universe in the end-time known as Allisvainarok.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    I hardly doubt there's any wintrading below plat 2

    I've said this before, they're rather toxic than wintraders. Any miss step you do (in their conception) is a reason to afk. There's even with names like "go far equals afk", they just want to screw up everyone else game in order to prove their playstyle/decisions are wrong.

    "Ok, you went far and I told you not to do so, now I'm gonna afk for you to lose and prove I was right, you can even blame me, but remember, I told you not to do so, and you did, so it's all your fault."

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Crius.5487 said:

    @Ragnar.4257 said:
    Riiiight, Moon landings were fake, 9/11 was inside job, Queen Elizabeth is a 10,000 year old lizard and 2008 crash was Illuminati.

    Look, I'm not saying this stuff never happens, but the way people talk here you'd think this is going on in nearly every game, across all tiers. I hate to break it to you, but nobody is win-trading in Gold tier or Unranked. If your team throws a game there, it's because, they suck and threw the game. Not because Illuminati. Outside of the top 10 this is 100% pointless and irrelevant.

    Had an important phone call, was in an unranked game, so I answered it. Stopped moving for 30 seconds and got accused of match manipulation. Manipulating with whom? The person who called me who has never heard of the game?

    This guy is correct, match manipulation only occurs at the very top of the leader board. Match manipulation is when someone pays someone on the opposing team to throw the game. There's a hundred reasons why someone might stop responding during a match. Maybe someone other than a Jehovah witness was knocking on the door, maybe the neighborhood stray cat got ran over by a dump truck, maybe it was the Publishers Clearing House in which case they're probably already on a boat in the Bahama's so good luck. Most of the time it's a reason other than match manipulation--especially if you're in plat 2 or below or unranked.

    I guess I must be a top player then.

    @bluri.2653 Coincidentally enough, directly after our interaction today I had gone to do a few placement matches for season 17. I immediately was reminded why I told myself last season, that I wasn't going to play season 17. Check out what happened:

    Are your buttons on your mouse, or do you got king kong long kitten fingers?

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @PaRaPhReNiA.8763 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Crius.5487 said:

    @Ragnar.4257 said:
    Riiiight, Moon landings were fake, 9/11 was inside job, Queen Elizabeth is a 10,000 year old lizard and 2008 crash was Illuminati.

    Look, I'm not saying this stuff never happens, but the way people talk here you'd think this is going on in nearly every game, across all tiers. I hate to break it to you, but nobody is win-trading in Gold tier or Unranked. If your team throws a game there, it's because, they suck and threw the game. Not because Illuminati. Outside of the top 10 this is 100% pointless and irrelevant.

    Had an important phone call, was in an unranked game, so I answered it. Stopped moving for 30 seconds and got accused of match manipulation. Manipulating with whom? The person who called me who has never heard of the game?

    This guy is correct, match manipulation only occurs at the very top of the leader board. Match manipulation is when someone pays someone on the opposing team to throw the game. There's a hundred reasons why someone might stop responding during a match. Maybe someone other than a Jehovah witness was knocking on the door, maybe the neighborhood stray cat got ran over by a dump truck, maybe it was the Publishers Clearing House in which case they're probably already on a boat in the Bahama's so good luck. Most of the time it's a reason other than match manipulation--especially if you're in plat 2 or below or unranked.

    I guess I must be a top player then.

    @bluri.2653 Coincidentally enough, directly after our interaction today I had gone to do a few placement matches for season 17. I immediately was reminded why I told myself last season, that I wasn't going to play season 17. Check out what happened:

    And where is the wintrade? I'm sorry but whenever bad players (and judging by that gameplay you are one) lose like 3games in a row, they go to the forums and start posting threads about match manipulation or how bad the matchmaking is... Spoiler Alert guys: you are just too bad to carry, live with it or dont, but i'd say for most cases here its the truth :(

    Don't hit your head on the dome.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Ragnar.4257Ragnar.4257 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @Crius.5487 I mean absolutely no disrespect or harm in this following response, other than giving the situation a very proper analogy:

    Two people visit a zoo and they walk over to the fenced in area where the monkeys are at. Person (A) points at the ground and says: "Dude, there's monkey poop all over the ground." Person (B) says: "I don't know man, we can't prove it's monkey poop." Person (A) says: "But it looks like poop, it smells like poop, and it's in the monkey's enclosure." Person B says: "Yeah but we still can't prove that it's actually poop at all. We need more evidence."

    @PaRaPhReNiA.8763 You just tried to strawman everything I've posted thus far in this thread, and what is literally & visually said and shown in the video. You also encouraged the idea that I should be able to carry my matches 1v5. Aside from that fact, what more evidence do you want than this type of casual everyday affirmation that something is very wrong with ranked ques? Should we be expecting someone to run FBI/CIA level investigations on this matter? Do we need license & registration? Do we need genetic testing done? Do we need thumbprints? Should it be taken to the supreme court?

    Maybe we need to call in a world renowned scientist to prove that the poop is poop.

    It's more like "I know it looks like monkey-poop underneath all of those monkeys, but its actually fake poop they put there to distract tourists, because the government takes all the monkey-poop to fuel their brain-scanning satellite".

    Monkeys are known for pooping all over the floor. Players are well known for rage-quitting, afk'ing, trolling. Occam's Razor, plz.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2019

    A mega unpopular view: what if the incentive for winning was so low (or equal to losing), no one would rig anything? People are throwing just for rank as well? Hide all rank from all players, even themselves. Publish rank at the end of the season.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Badcat.7320Badcat.7320 Member ✭✭
    edited June 18, 2019

    seem like cheating to me

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ragnar.4257 said:
    Riiiight, Moon landings were fake, 9/11 was inside job, Queen Elizabeth is a 10,000 year old lizard and 2008 crash was Illuminati.

    Look, I'm not saying this stuff never happens, but the way people talk here you'd think this is going on in nearly every game, across all tiers. I hate to break it to you, but nobody is win-trading in Gold tier or Unranked. If your team throws a game there, it's because, they suck and threw the game. Not because Illuminati. Outside of the top 10 this is 100% pointless and irrelevant.

    I like Ostriches

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • pukish.5784pukish.5784 Member ✭✭

    Toxic players? No.
    This game itself is toxic or evil.
    Maybe Sauron makes this game.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    A mega unpopular view: what if the incentive for winning was so low (or equal to losing), no one would rig anything? People are throwing just for rank as well? Hide all rank from all players, even themselves. Publish rank at the end of the season.

    You already have a possibility to "hide" your rank, just play less than the minimum games required until the last week of the season or day/days and no one can track your rating.

    One thing I have said before is to post the ratings of enemy players+your own teammates at the end of the game. If I'm at legendary and get matched up with gold players at least I know why I lost in that scenario

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2019

    @bluri.2653

    The kinds of tactics you're attempting to use, to show that the poop isn't poop, isn't working anymore in 2019. If you did not notice, not a single thumbs up or helpful has been given to any of your comments in this thread despite being a notoriously well known streamer, and not a single person has agreed with you aside from the mysterious @Ragnar.4257

    And with that realization, I bid you adieu. There is no more need to explain the problem to anyone or example it, and it looks like their opinions won't be swayed much at this point either. At this point it is irrelevant what you or I say. At this point it's about Arenanet choosing to take action or not.

    Who are you trying to convince Sindrener? The community? Arenanet? Me? Maybe yourself? Was the way you made yourself appear to us, worth the time posting in this thread?

  • Meteor.3720Meteor.3720 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @bluri.2653

    The kinds of tactics you're attempting to use, to show that the poop isn't poop, isn't working anymore in 2019. If you did not notice, not a single thumbs up or helpful has been given to any of your comments in this thread despite being a notoriously well known streamer, and not a single person has agreed with you aside from the mysterious @Ragnar.4257

    And with that realization, I bid you adieu. There is no more need to explain the problem to anyone or example it, and it looks like their opinions won't be swayed much at this point either. At this point it is irrelevant what you or I say. At this point it's about Arenanet choosing to take action or not.

    Who are you trying to convince Sindrener? The community? Arenanet? Me? Maybe yourself? Was the way you made yourself appear to us, worth the time posting in this thread?

    Actually quite a few people have said that there isn't wintrading below Plat 2, and that the video you posted isn't wintrading.

    What your video shows is that your teammates realised (or at least thought) the game was lost after the teamfight. Therefore they afk to speed up the loss so that they can requeue and hope for a better game. I'm not saying that it's the best stance to take, and sure you might have had a slightly closer score if you all tried for a comeback. But to say it's wintrading is simply wrong.

    Wintrading is where people actively encourage members of the other team to help them win, or ask members of their own team to leave to prevent rating loss. What you showed was people giving up on their teammates. Very different things.

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    One thing I’ve never understood is when people always blame their team for sucking rather than the other team for having better players.

    I’m not saying people should give up (and I’ve proposed MMR system modifications to reward close games to incentivize fighting for every last point) but in general, sometimes your team is outskilled on the composition you are playing.

    I don’t stop fighting unless the entire team agrees in chat to stop fighting. It’s not the best outcome and it’s only happened to me once or twice overall. Most people like playing pvp and giving up a losing battle is giving up the chance to challenge yourself and get a little better.

    But I do want to point out that Trevor is right about a lack of trust in your team. You don’t know if one is playing badly that day. You don’t know if they don’t usually play that class. You don’t know how much they care about their rank. You can’t know whether they decided to stop trying because they know they can’t carry their team, who keep instantly dying to a holo/soulbeast/berserker/etc.

    The solution is give players an incentive to fight losing battles. Give them no reason to give up unless they are actually win trading.

    Northern Shiverpeaks (NSP)
    Deadeye (Thief)
    Commandant of P/D and Apex Predator

  • @saerni.2584 said:

    But I do want to point out that Trevor is right about a lack of trust in your team.

    Agreed-

    The solution is give players an incentive to fight losing battles. Give them no reason to give up unless they are actually win trading.

    And agreed. If there was some way to quantify as metrics how actively each player participated relative to their team and reward them based on that, we might be able to at the very least avoid ragequitting. That seems like a horrendously tall order to cram into an algorithm though.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    yeah...
    probably most of what people think is win trading are bad players giving up. what incentive for the match manipulator to buy players in unranked or below plat? some of you are going way overboard with all of the accusations and are ironically giving this game a bad rep. I've been in some games where my entire team goes afk. I've been in countless games where one of my team mates afk for either legitimate reasons or because they're 12 and can't handle the pressure. never once did I think they were throwing the game cuz someone on the opposing team bought them. why? cuz deductive reasoning that's why.

    so please stop accusing immature players of match manipulating, use your head when you think someone is throwing, and get on with it.

    you don't know till you know, ya know.

  • Ragnar.4257Ragnar.4257 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2019

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    and not a single person has agreed with you aside from the mysterious @Ragnar.4257

    I am very mysterious.

    I, Sindrener, thought I would get away with it when I set up this account in 2012, played it for 9000 hours, 20k AP, and led several WvW guilds. I thought I had done enough for my dasterdly plan of tricking the forums by planning 7 years in advance.

    https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/Ragnar-4257/showposts

    But you, you saw right through me.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Meteor.3720 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @bluri.2653

    The kinds of tactics you're attempting to use, to show that the poop isn't poop, isn't working anymore in 2019. If you did not notice, not a single thumbs up or helpful has been given to any of your comments in this thread despite being a notoriously well known streamer, and not a single person has agreed with you aside from the mysterious @Ragnar.4257

    And with that realization, I bid you adieu. There is no more need to explain the problem to anyone or example it, and it looks like their opinions won't be swayed much at this point either. At this point it is irrelevant what you or I say. At this point it's about Arenanet choosing to take action or not.

    Who are you trying to convince Sindrener? The community? Arenanet? Me? Maybe yourself? Was the way you made yourself appear to us, worth the time posting in this thread?

    Actually quite a few people have said that there isn't wintrading below Plat 2, and that the video you posted isn't wintrading.

    What your video shows is that your teammates realised (or at least thought) the game was lost after the teamfight. Therefore they afk to speed up the loss so that they can requeue and hope for a better game. I'm not saying that it's the best stance to take, and sure you might have had a slightly closer score if you all tried for a comeback. But to say it's wintrading is simply wrong.

    Wintrading is where people actively encourage members of the other team to help them win, or ask members of their own team to leave to prevent rating loss. What you showed was people giving up on their teammates. Very different things.

    If you say so.

    Here's a better description of organized win trading btw. What you detailed is more like general bribery.

    • One or Two players on their main accounts que up.
    • They are in a discord with some number of friends who are also playing, but these people are all on their ALT accounts, which they don't care about the rating.
    • They all synch que together. Since population is low, there are extremely high chances of these players landing in the same games together.
    • If the ALT players land on the team with the mains they are supporting, they try hard to win the match. If it looks like they are still going to lose, one of the ALTs will DC on purpose to block point lose for the mains. If any of the ALTs land on the team against the mains, they purposely play very poorly and throw the match. Sometimes, they just flat out AFK and sit in the base.
    • If any of the ALT players don't make it into the match with the mains, they go into the game they qued into, and look who is on each team. And then they either try hard to win or throw the game for their team, depending on who is in the match, who is the highest rated on the leaderboards, who needs their rating attacked, or sometimes who they hate the most. Sometimes if they just like someone, they'll play hard or throw so he can win, when he doesn't even know its happening.
  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Meteor.3720 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @bluri.2653

    The kinds of tactics you're attempting to use, to show that the poop isn't poop, isn't working anymore in 2019. If you did not notice, not a single thumbs up or helpful has been given to any of your comments in this thread despite being a notoriously well known streamer, and not a single person has agreed with you aside from the mysterious @Ragnar.4257

    And with that realization, I bid you adieu. There is no more need to explain the problem to anyone or example it, and it looks like their opinions won't be swayed much at this point either. At this point it is irrelevant what you or I say. At this point it's about Arenanet choosing to take action or not.

    Who are you trying to convince Sindrener? The community? Arenanet? Me? Maybe yourself? Was the way you made yourself appear to us, worth the time posting in this thread?

    Actually quite a few people have said that there isn't wintrading below Plat 2, and that the video you posted isn't wintrading.

    What your video shows is that your teammates realised (or at least thought) the game was lost after the teamfight. Therefore they afk to speed up the loss so that they can requeue and hope for a better game. I'm not saying that it's the best stance to take, and sure you might have had a slightly closer score if you all tried for a comeback. But to say it's wintrading is simply wrong.

    Wintrading is where people actively encourage members of the other team to help them win, or ask members of their own team to leave to prevent rating loss. What you showed was people giving up on their teammates. Very different things.

    If you say so.

    Here's a better description of organized win trading btw. What you detailed is more like general bribery.

    • One or Two players on their main accounts que up.
    • They are in a discord with some number of friends who are also playing, but these people are all on their ALT accounts, which they don't care about the rating.
    • They all synch que together. Since population is low, there are extremely high chances of these players landing in the same games together.
    • If the ALT players land on the team with the mains they are supporting, they try hard to win the match. If it looks like they are still going to lose, one of the ALTs will DC on purpose to block point lose for the mains. If any of the ALTs land on the team against the mains, they purposely play very poorly and throw the match. Sometimes, they just flat out AFK and sit in the base.
    • If any of the ALT players don't make it into the match with the mains, they go into the game they qued into, and look who is on each team. And then they either try hard to win or throw the game for their team, depending on who is in the match, who is the highest rated on the leaderboards, who needs their rating attacked, or sometimes who they hate the most. Sometimes if they just like someone, they'll play hard or throw so he can win, when he doesn't even know its happening.

    Nailed it

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    sounds like everyone's favorite heroes the "GodsofPvP" are still up to the same BS. LOL... Basement trolls on twitch. I watched a few of them out of morbid curiosity and just laughed and laughed. What a bunch of morons. Yet..... they are catered to and protected because they give ANeT free advertising. Not that it matters this game is cratering anyway.

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    Everyone at the top of the leaderboards that I've played with deserves to be there. They're light years ahead of everyone else in mechanical skill and playing spvp, so if they need to do some win trading to secure positions because of an inherently broken leaderboard system, that's fine by me.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Everyone at the top of the leaderboards that I've played with deserves to be there. They're Buzz Lightyear's ahead of everyone else in mechanical skill and playing spvp, so if they need to do some win trading to secure positions because of an inherently broken leaderboard system, that's fine by me.

    :trollface:

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2019

    @Crius.5487 said:
    I think that video is worthy of its own thread. Still wouldn't go as far to call it match manipulation

    Just wanted to point out something here, as it seems like many people who have posted responses here, are kind of confused on definitions.

    Notice that my video is titled: "What is this GW2 Throwing?" and that it is not titled: "What is this GW2 Win Trading?" Notice that all of my previous quoted text wall explanation is well defining and mostly discussing "Match Manipulation" in general, not win trading. Win trading is mentioned only when I specifically point out that probably only about 10% of match manipulations experienced, is actually win trading. That means that if we experience some kind of garbage like what is shown in the video, roughly 1/3 games qued, most of it is just general smurfing, or some guy getting mad when called out so he sits in spawn and stops trying as he flames the chat, ect.. ect.. These are forms of match manipulation, not win trading.

    In the video I point out things that are worthy of suspicion, and at the end I say: "This is either the worst match making I've ever seen, which is why everyone is standing and not trying, or it is win trading." And that is true, it's either one or the other. I certainly doubt it was an occurrence where 4 players simultaneously AFK'd to answer their front doors, to pay for a pizza, all at the same time. Actually they didn't AFK at all, they were having discussion throughout the entire time they sat in the spawn. Logically, when you assess what is happening in that video, it's one or the other. Neither are acceptable.

    Either way, what is shown in the video is match manipulation which happens on the 3rd game played in placement. Throwing a match for whatever reason, is match manipulation. Being an "Idle Player" is like when someone gets up to do something and doesn't come back. What is shown in the video are players sitting and doing nothing as they converse with each other. They aren't even AFK. That's match throwing which is match manipulation, not idle players. What the video doesn't show, is that we were ahead in points initially, and then they experienced a single bad wipe at mid and all stopped trying at the same time. The reason why the video cuts in at 300 to 50 or something, is because I didn't notice it was happening at first. I was at the far node holding and focused on not dying. Then I realize all my team mates were standing in the spawn. I continued to play until they wiped me at far, and at that point I closed GW2 briefly to turn on my screen record when I realized I should be capturing it. If I had recorded the full match, it would be more apparent as to why it is suspicious that 4 players would for some reason give up at like 100 to 50. But w/e, as I said, it was either ridiculously poor match quality or some kind of an organized throw, maybe win trading. How often do you realistically see 4 players give up and stand in a spawn in a ranked game, and not only are they not angry about it, but they're happy? I also went out of my way to NOT show the names of the players on the other team for obvious reasons. If I had, you'd all have seen a particular duo with a couple players of interest in it, that would vouch anyone's opinion towards even stronger suspicion. But the point of video was not to expose any particular players, it was to reinforce my initial statement that, "Match manipulations occur roughly 1/3 games played in ranked, now in 2019."

    I felt this was important to point out after rereading through the thread, as there were a couple of people arguing with me about win trading specifically, and I'm not so sure they quite understood that this discussion began with discussing match manipulation in general, which encompasses a great many deal of things, not just organized win trading.

    I stand by my statement. Roughly 1/3 games played in ranked pvp in 2019, is some form of a match manipulation nowadays. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes it works against you, but it is happening. This is why match outcomes are so highly volatile anymore. It isn't just low population, which is only about half of the problem in play.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Crius.5487 said:
    I think that video is worthy of its own thread. Still wouldn't go as far to call it match manipulation

    Just wanted to point out something here, as it seems like many people who have posted responses here, are kind of confused on definitions.

    Notice that my video is titled: "What is this GW2 Throwing?" and that it is not titled: "What is this GW2 Win Trading?" Notice that all of my previous quoted text wall explanation is well defining and mostly discussing "Match Manipulation" in general, not win trading. Win trading is mentioned only when I specifically point out that probably only about 10% of match manipulations experienced, is actually win trading. That means that if we experience some kind of garbage like what is shown in the video, roughly 1/3 games qued, most of it is just general smurfing, or some guy getting mad when called out so he sits in spawn and stops trying as he flames the chat, ect.. ect.. These are forms of match manipulation, not win trading.

    In the video I point out things that are worthy of suspicion, and at the end I say: "This is either the worst match making I've ever seen, which is why everyone is standing and not trying, or it is win trading." And that is true, it's either one or the other. I certainly doubt it was an occurrence where 4 players simultaneously AFK'd to answer their front doors, to pay for a pizza, all at the same time. Actually they didn't AFK at all, they were having discussion throughout the entire time they sat in the spawn. Logically, when you assess what is happening in that video, it's one or the other. Neither are acceptable.

    Either way, what is shown in the video is match manipulation which happens on the 3rd game played in placement. Throwing a match for whatever reason, is match manipulation. Being an "Idle Player" is like when someone gets up to do something and doesn't come back. What is shown in the video are players sitting and doing nothing as they converse with each other. They aren't even AFK. That's match throwing which is match manipulation, not idle players. What the video doesn't show, is that we were ahead in points initially, and then they experienced a single bad wipe at mid and all stopped trying at the same time. The reason why the video cuts in at 300 to 50 or something, is because I didn't notice it was happening at first. I was at the far node holding and focused on not dying. Then I realize all my team mates were standing in the spawn. I continued to play until they wiped me at far, and at that point I closed GW2 briefly to turn on my screen record when I realized I should be capturing it. If I had recorded the full match, it would be more apparent as to why it is suspicious that 4 players would for some reason give up at like 100 to 50. But w/e, as I said, it was either ridiculously poor match quality or some kind of an organized throw, maybe win trading. How often do you realistically see 4 players give up and stand in a spawn in a ranked game, and not only are they not angry about it, but they're happy? I also went out of my way to NOT show the names of the players on the other team for obvious reasons. If I had, you'd all have seen a particular duo with a couple players of interest in it, that would vouch anyone's opinion towards even stronger suspicion. But the point of video was not to expose any particular players, it was to reinforce my initial statement that, "Match manipulations occur roughly 1/3 games played in ranked, now in 2019."

    I felt this was important to point out after rereading through the thread, as there were a couple of people arguing with me about win trading specifically, and I'm not so sure they quite understood that this discussion began with discussing match manipulation in general, which encompasses a great many deal of things, not just organized win trading.

    I stand by my statement. Roughly 1/3 games played in ranked pvp in 2019, is some form of a match manipulation nowadays. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes it works against you, but it is happening. This is why match outcomes are so highly volatile anymore. It isn't just low population, which is only about half of the problem in play.

    I pity you thinking everything is a conspiracy in this game, you defo need to get out if you think 1/3 of your games are manipulated lmao.

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2019

    @bluri.2653 said:

    I pity you thinking everything is a conspiracy in this game, you defo need to get out if you think 1/3 of your games are manipulated lmao.

    Can't wait to see what you say about this one bud.

    I'd like to point out that it is the first game of the day that I qued, as you can see my dailies still present in the upper right hand corner. Also, the moment I mention "This is probably some kind of a throw", the game immediately turns 5v3 advantage for us, and then my team comes back from the grave and wins. Are you still going to claim a low frequency of this stuff?

    My more important question to you is, why is it so rare to ever see this kind of thing happen in Unranked and ATs? I mean I can't remember the last time I saw a double DC in an Unranked game, let alone a single DC. And I never see it happen at all in ATs. I don't think I've ever seen it happen once actually. What would make Ranked different? Why would this kind of activity happen so frequently in Ranked ques?

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2019

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    I pity you thinking everything is a conspiracy in this game, you defo need to get out if you think 1/3 of your games are manipulated lmao.

    Can't wait to see what you say about this one bud.

    I'd like to point out that it is the first game of the day that I qued, as you can see my dailies still present in the upper right hand corner. Also, the moment I mention "This is probably some kind of a throw", the game immediately turns 5v3 advantage for us, and then my team comes back from the grave and wins. Are you still going to claim a low frequency of this stuff?

    My more important question to you is, why is it so rare to ever see this kind of thing happen in Unranked and ATs? I mean I can't remember the last time I saw a double DC in an Unranked game, let alone a single DC. And I never see it happen at all in ATs. I don't think I've ever seen it happen once actually. What would make Ranked different? Why would this kind of activity happen so frequently in Ranked ques?

    add all of those players to your friendslist and check ratings of them if possible and if anyone is actually highranked I'll give you a +1.
    you are queuing 7 in the morning as lowtier gold you probably have bronze/silver players who dont give a fokk about the game

    you say 1/3 of your games are manipulated I can show you hours of recordings of me streaming and you show me where the match manipulations are (1/3) of the games according to you. I can assure you, you won't find one game in a 3h session stream

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/420191796?filter=archives&sort=time

    since 1/3 of the games you say it should be pretty easy and fast for you to find one game that was "MANIPULATED" as you say

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653

    Why would anyone perform any type of Match Manipulation or do anything against the TOS for that matter, when they know they are being recorded & streamed by Sindrener? You're the type of guy that these kinds of people que dodge for several reasons, and the above ^ is one of those reasons.

    When people know they're being streamed, people AFK rage quit less, they rage less in general, they focus and play harder, they want to look good in a live stream, not bad. They certainly wouldn't want to perform an obvious match manipulation against you, while a large portion of player base watches, and kitten off someone that Arenanet might actually listen to, while leaving behind a recorded trail of evidence to examine nonetheless. I've had this same exact conversation with Chaith on about 3 different occasions. Sometimes, the popular streamer types don't quite understand what the rest of us plebs are experiencing game to game, when we hold no real clout of media threat or ties with Arenanet.

    Seriously, test this on NA if you don't believe me. Make a f2p account, make your S/D Thief. Play an entire season without telling anyone who you are, not even your friends. Don't stream it, don't talk about it. And I guarantee you that regardless of your performance, people will point the finger and blame you for just about everything that goes wrong in a match, simply because you are a Thief, and a face they've never seen before. They'll say ridiculously nasty things to you with absolutely no regard for repercussion. You will see obvious match manipulations occur with no regard to even mask it, because they'll think you're super random. At least that's how it'll be for awhile, before some better players notice your level of play and begin trying to figure who is behind the obvious alt account.

    By the way, I normally play around 1600 rating on an average week, 1550 during those off weeks, and around 1650 during good weeks. There was one season that I should have taken a top 25 title, but I got greedy and figured I would aim at the top 10 because there was an opening for it. This landed me back down into the top 100. You can also view my GW2 Druid 2019 Yes video, where I am winning 1v1s against Gods Of PvP and Best Of Bestests. I am certainly not saying that I am one of the best players in the game but it is important to note, seeing as how you seem to think everything I post is gold & silver tier play.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2019

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @bluri.2653

    Why would anyone perform any type of Match Manipulation or do anything against the TOS for that matter, when they know they are being recorded & streamed by Sindrener? You're the type of guy that these kinds of people que dodge for several reasons, and the above ^ is one of those reasons.

    When people know they're being streamed, people AFK rage quit less, they rage less in general, they focus and play harder, they want to look good in a live stream, not bad. They certainly wouldn't want to perform an obvious match manipulation against you, while a large portion of player base watches, and kitten off someone that Arenanet might actually listen to, while leaving behind a recorded trail of evidence to examine nonetheless. I've had this same exact conversation with Chaith on about 3 different occasions. Sometimes, the popular streamer types don't quite understand what the rest of us plebs are experiencing game to game, when we hold no real clout of media threat or ties with Arenanet.

    Seriously, test this on NA if you don't believe me. Make a f2p account, make your S/D Thief. Play an entire season without telling anyone who you are, not even your friends. Don't stream it, don't talk about it. And I guarantee you that regardless of your performance, people will point the finger and blame you for just about everything that goes wrong in a match, simply because you are a Thief, and a face they've never seen before. They'll say ridiculously nasty things to you with absolutely no regard for repercussion. You will see obvious match manipulations occur with no regard to even mask it, because they'll think you're super random. At least that's how it'll be for awhile, before some better players notice your level of play and begin trying to figure who is behind the obvious alt account.

    By the way, I normally play around 1600 rating on an average week, 1550 during those off weeks, and around 1650 during good weeks. There was one season that I should have taken a top 25 title, but I got greedy and figured I would aim at the top 10 because there was an opening for it. This landed me back down into the top 100. You can also view my GW2 Druid 2019 Yes video, where I am winning 1v1s against Gods Of PvP and Best Of Bestests. I am certainly not saying that I am one of the best players in the game but it is important to note, seeing as how you seem to think everything I post is gold & silver tier play.

    I don't care what rating you have been or can be, I'm stating that since the population is already low which you probably have figured out by now and by queuing at 7 in the morning you will end up with a incredible big rating difference on both sides. Don't believe me? Add the players in your game to your friendslist and look at their rating and I'm sure you'll see what I mean.

    I can queue during primetime when an Automated tournament is currently up, get matched up with gold players thats a rating difference of 400 or more for me, imagine if i would have queued at 7 in the morning like you do... How far it would go to find a matchup.

    I'll post this for reference
    https://clips.twitch.tv/CulturedTenuousOrangeEagleEye

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653

    Actually, there is a large amount of plat3+ players who que early morning for obvious reasons, this includes their alts. Don't believe me? Talk to some other NA players about that one.

  • Asuran.5469Asuran.5469 Member ✭✭

    New titles and everyone wants them, probably why.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @bluri.2653

    Actually, there is a large amount of plat3+ players who que early morning for obvious reasons, this includes their alts. Don't believe me? Talk to some other NA players about that one.

    I told you add the players to your friendslist and watch their rating, easy. I guarantee you not one of them were plat

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • Rukario.1695Rukario.1695 Member ✭✭✭

    Can you guys just go argue about your kitten in personal messages? God kitten.

    More violence, less violets I say. I'm rich you know, because I watch the ledges.

  • Gamble.4580Gamble.4580 Member ✭✭✭

    @Rukario.1695 said:
    Can you guys just go argue about your kitten in personal messages? God kitten.

    No. *Eats popcorn

  • Match manipulation happens throughout the season. Due to this fact all ranks in pvp are meaningless people who should be in plat are in gold and those who should be in gold are in silver.

    I’ve been watching season fights carefully for 3 seasons so far. The match manipulation only got bad 2 seasons ago. The fact that anet isn’t banning match manipulation is one of the reasons why ranked isn’t really ranked anymore

  • dodgerrule.8739dodgerrule.8739 Member ✭✭
    edited June 20, 2019

    I’ve been in gold for past seasons and have made threads about match manipulation and how it is effecting the game.

    Check back on the forums there are match manipulators and they don’t care if you report them or not because they know arena net won’t do anything to stop them.

    It is a combination of this and lack of players which is why pvp is dying.

    When you queue up you don’t get placed with people all from your rank in leagues because of the lack of players. You can be matched up with platinums golds silver and bronze all in the same team.

  • ZhouX.8742ZhouX.8742 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2019

    Possible thoughts:

    1. Reduce rewards for losing , by a lot .. Try to force people to actually try and instead of casually farm rewards whether they lose or win
    2. team forfeit vote option halfway through the game to speed up and leave instead of just sitting there and waiting similar to League of Legends.
    3. Option to show least heal, least revives, least dmg, least stats in general to identify what went wrong and who went wrong... Not always an accurate case because roles exist so this option might not be a solid one but just throwing it out there
    4. Rank tier showing in lineup so you know who you're actually teamed up with
    5. 3-5 man queing again please
  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2019

    Watch the minimap.
    This happens in low gold and silver.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 @bluri.2653 @Khalisto.5780 @Meteor.3720 @Ragnar.4257 @PaRaPhReNiA.8763 @Crab Fear.1624 @praqtos.9035 @Stand The Wall.6987

    Its hard to enjoy the game when im forced to play with this.
    If Anet doesn't want to act on it due to what ever reason, the best solution would be to introduce team queue again so I am not forced to play with these people.

    Just wanna enjoy whats left of the game ya know? Cant queue with friends anymore and have to deal with randoms pulling this most matches. Its a major deterrent from even logging in.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    Watch the minimap.
    This happens in low gold and silver.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 @bluri.2653 @Khalisto.5780 @Meteor.3720 @Ragnar.4257 @PaRaPhReNiA.8763 @Crab Fear.1624 @praqtos.9035 @Stand The Wall.6987

    Its hard to enjoy the game when im forced to play with this.
    If Anet doesn't want to act on it due to what ever reason, the best solution would be to introduce team queue again so I am not forced to play with these people.

    Just wanna enjoy whats left of the game ya know? Cant queue with friends anymore and have to deal with randoms pulling this most matches. Its a major deterrent from even logging in.

    That looks like a bot with bad programming. And you say its match manipulation? Omegalul

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    Watch the minimap.
    This happens in low gold and silver.

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 @bluri.2653 @Khalisto.5780 @Meteor.3720 @Ragnar.4257 @PaRaPhReNiA.8763 @Crab Fear.1624 @praqtos.9035 @Stand The Wall.6987

    Its hard to enjoy the game when im forced to play with this.
    If Anet doesn't want to act on it due to what ever reason, the best solution would be to introduce team queue again so I am not forced to play with these people.

    Just wanna enjoy whats left of the game ya know? Cant queue with friends anymore and have to deal with randoms pulling this most matches. Its a major deterrent from even logging in.

    That looks like a bot with bad programming. And you say its match manipulation? Omegalul

    A bot with bad programming decided to start playing properly after being called out?
    And you "omegalul" your illogical comment?
    Now thats omegalul.

    Im starting to think youre a player who indulges in this behavior due to your constant defending of such behavior.

    It is what it is...

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:
    snips

    ok, the person in that vid looks suspicious. nice to see some proof, but i'm still gonna say that a lot of what people think is match manipulation is some newb or cry baby who can't handle the randomness of queuing.

    you don't know till you know, ya know.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2019

    Well, realistically what we have here is a classic case of the 5 B's of low ranked pvp.

    As an expert on the subject let me list them out for you:

    • Bots
    • Bichbabies
    • Bafoons
    • Bronze heroes
    • Bad Connections

    Sometimes, one may encounter several of these.

    The problem is compounded and noticeably more prevalent in a lower pvp population.

    The match maker gives up and pits players against foes they realistically have no chance against.

    I am doing pitifully this season, nothing unusual, but I got put in a match the other night with 2 top ten players on my team.

    Of course they carried the match. Easily wrecking most of their foes. At one point, the top 10 player was on a rev and easily trolling 4 of the doofs at their spawn.

    Maybe that also causes people to rage quit and just run in circles.

    They are pizzed about that match and here we go, they run in circles instead of gaining that dishonor.

    Easy and free rewards, no reason to try hard.

    Same stale mode.

    This was inevitable.

    The dingleberries at the top can carry on with whatever operation they want, and if bob the builder wants to take my low rated rating away, so be it.

    At this point, I have joined the masses and am just trying to farm as many shards as I can just in case they actually decide to make rewards harder to get, like winning.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2019

    After the experience I had, I decided to give the game a break and come back to it later.
    My first game of the day went as such.

    Watch the minimap... Nec got focused mid fight and sat in the base for the remainder of the match.
    Obviously no match manipulation was organised but still... Just as bad.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about concerning general manipulations. These people aren't idle AFK players. They are sitting there in front of their screen, with salty demeanor as they rage quit at 50 to 100 after getting killed once. There needs to be more serious punishment for such buffoonery, to encourage players to not do it in the first place. The biggest problem with this type of behavior is that nowadays, when one quits they all start quitting. One guy quits and someone else notices and says "Oh it's 4v5 now, GG" and then he also rage AFKs. <- This is match throwing. Now if it were like 300 to 60, I understand players throwing in the towel to more quickly end the lopsided match, but 100 to 50 type situations are no reason to rage AFK. Players with such poor sportsmanship should not be allowed into ranked ques.

    The frequency of this garbage nowadays is just amazing. At least it is in NA.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    New Scoreboard + no rewards for losing = problem solved

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @sephiroth.4217 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about concerning general manipulations. These people aren't idle AFK players. They are sitting there in front of their screen, with salty demeanor as they rage quit at 50 to 100 after getting killed once. There needs to be more serious punishment for such buffoonery, to encourage players to not do it in the first place. The biggest problem with this type of behavior is that nowadays, when one quits they all start quitting. One guy quits and someone else notices and says "Oh it's 4v5 now, GG" and then he also rage AFKs. <- This is match throwing. Now if it were like 300 to 60, I understand players throwing in the towel to more quickly end the lopsided match, but 100 to 50 type situations are no reason to rage AFK. Players with such poor sportsmanship should not be allowed into ranked ques.

    The frequency of this garbage nowadays is just amazing. At least it is in NA.

    its happening quite a bit.

    despite what people say, I can tell the difference between match manipulation and this example of throwing. The last video had gold involved and chat being used for throwing.. thats match manipulation.
    this video is just the general throw that happens if mid fight wasn't favourable.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @sephiroth.4217 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about concerning general manipulations. These people aren't idle AFK players. They are sitting there in front of their screen, with salty demeanor as they rage quit at 50 to 100 after getting killed once. There needs to be more serious punishment for such buffoonery, to encourage players to not do it in the first place. The biggest problem with this type of behavior is that nowadays, when one quits they all start quitting. One guy quits and someone else notices and says "Oh it's 4v5 now, GG" and then he also rage AFKs. <- This is match throwing. Now if it were like 300 to 60, I understand players throwing in the towel to more quickly end the lopsided match, but 100 to 50 type situations are no reason to rage AFK. Players with such poor sportsmanship should not be allowed into ranked ques.

    The frequency of this garbage nowadays is just amazing. At least it is in NA.

    its happening quite a bit.

    despite what people say, I can tell the difference between match manipulation and this example of throwing. The last video had gold involved and chat being used for throwing.. thats match manipulation.
    this video is just the general throw that happens if mid fight wasn't favourable.

    Ye look at my live wintrading and match manipulation live streamed right here

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=825 afk player gg match manipulation

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1457 4 dead mid instant gg throw on purpose

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1713 afk guard again... match manipulation gg

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2019

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @sephiroth.4217 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about concerning general manipulations. These people aren't idle AFK players. They are sitting there in front of their screen, with salty demeanor as they rage quit at 50 to 100 after getting killed once. There needs to be more serious punishment for such buffoonery, to encourage players to not do it in the first place. The biggest problem with this type of behavior is that nowadays, when one quits they all start quitting. One guy quits and someone else notices and says "Oh it's 4v5 now, GG" and then he also rage AFKs. <- This is match throwing. Now if it were like 300 to 60, I understand players throwing in the towel to more quickly end the lopsided match, but 100 to 50 type situations are no reason to rage AFK. Players with such poor sportsmanship should not be allowed into ranked ques.

    The frequency of this garbage nowadays is just amazing. At least it is in NA.

    its happening quite a bit.

    despite what people say, I can tell the difference between match manipulation and this example of throwing. The last video had gold involved and chat being used for throwing.. thats match manipulation.
    this video is just the general throw that happens if mid fight wasn't favourable.

    Ye look at my live wintrading and match manipulation live streamed right here

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=825 afk player gg match manipulation

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1457 4 dead mid instant gg throw on purpose

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1713 afk guard again... match manipulation gg

    are you ok there?
    you know this isnt about you right?

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @sephiroth.4217 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about concerning general manipulations. These people aren't idle AFK players. They are sitting there in front of their screen, with salty demeanor as they rage quit at 50 to 100 after getting killed once. There needs to be more serious punishment for such buffoonery, to encourage players to not do it in the first place. The biggest problem with this type of behavior is that nowadays, when one quits they all start quitting. One guy quits and someone else notices and says "Oh it's 4v5 now, GG" and then he also rage AFKs. <- This is match throwing. Now if it were like 300 to 60, I understand players throwing in the towel to more quickly end the lopsided match, but 100 to 50 type situations are no reason to rage AFK. Players with such poor sportsmanship should not be allowed into ranked ques.

    The frequency of this garbage nowadays is just amazing. At least it is in NA.

    its happening quite a bit.

    despite what people say, I can tell the difference between match manipulation and this example of throwing. The last video had gold involved and chat being used for throwing.. thats match manipulation.
    this video is just the general throw that happens if mid fight wasn't favourable.

    Ye look at my live wintrading and match manipulation live streamed right here

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=825 afk player gg match manipulation

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1457 4 dead mid instant gg throw on purpose

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1713 afk guard again... match manipulation gg

    only you would think this is about you.

    its for both you and trevor since he mentioned as soon as people afk or give up its wintrading

    www.twitch.tv/sindrener - Rank 55 Dragons/Orange Logo/Team Aggression

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2019

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @sephiroth.4217 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about concerning general manipulations. These people aren't idle AFK players. They are sitting there in front of their screen, with salty demeanor as they rage quit at 50 to 100 after getting killed once. There needs to be more serious punishment for such buffoonery, to encourage players to not do it in the first place. The biggest problem with this type of behavior is that nowadays, when one quits they all start quitting. One guy quits and someone else notices and says "Oh it's 4v5 now, GG" and then he also rage AFKs. <- This is match throwing. Now if it were like 300 to 60, I understand players throwing in the towel to more quickly end the lopsided match, but 100 to 50 type situations are no reason to rage AFK. Players with such poor sportsmanship should not be allowed into ranked ques.

    The frequency of this garbage nowadays is just amazing. At least it is in NA.

    its happening quite a bit.

    despite what people say, I can tell the difference between match manipulation and this example of throwing. The last video had gold involved and chat being used for throwing.. thats match manipulation.
    this video is just the general throw that happens if mid fight wasn't favourable.

    Ye look at my live wintrading and match manipulation live streamed right here

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=825 afk player gg match manipulation

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1457 4 dead mid instant gg throw on purpose

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1713 afk guard again... match manipulation gg

    only you would think this is about you.

    its for both you and trevor since he mentioned as soon as people afk in spawn its wintrading and ur agreeing with him, or your first post of 5 games = 5 manipulated :))

    i didnt agree with anyone. I said I know the difference despite what some say.

    first games I had involved chat being used for payments to win.. Player then got called out as being recorded then decided to change his behaviour.. that was match manipulation up until he was caught red handed.
    The matches before that one I wasnt able to record but the silly kitten on my team paid me 10g because we won. I told him to pay me 10g if he won and he did without realising I was on his team.

    the second video was someone having a throw because the poor necro was focused and mid wasn't favourable.

    you seem to have trouble understanding this for what ever reason despite the amount of times its been said. wether you're intentionally ignoring it or not I dont know or care.

    Both cases are just as bad which is why im going to thank you for posting more evidence on the current state of ranked.

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  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @sephiroth.4217 That's the kind of thing I'm talking about concerning general manipulations. These people aren't idle AFK players. They are sitting there in front of their screen, with salty demeanor as they rage quit at 50 to 100 after getting killed once. There needs to be more serious punishment for such buffoonery, to encourage players to not do it in the first place. The biggest problem with this type of behavior is that nowadays, when one quits they all start quitting. One guy quits and someone else notices and says "Oh it's 4v5 now, GG" and then he also rage AFKs. <- This is match throwing. Now if it were like 300 to 60, I understand players throwing in the towel to more quickly end the lopsided match, but 100 to 50 type situations are no reason to rage AFK. Players with such poor sportsmanship should not be allowed into ranked ques.

    The frequency of this garbage nowadays is just amazing. At least it is in NA.

    its happening quite a bit.

    despite what people say, I can tell the difference between match manipulation and this example of throwing. The last video had gold involved and chat being used for throwing.. thats match manipulation.
    this video is just the general throw that happens if mid fight wasn't favourable.

    Ye look at my live wintrading and match manipulation live streamed right here

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=825 afk player gg match manipulation

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1457 4 dead mid instant gg throw on purpose

    https://youtu.be/VPV0l5S8GVI?t=1713 afk guard again... match manipulation gg

    only you would think this is about you.

    its for both you and trevor since he mentioned as soon as people afk in spawn its wintrading and ur agreeing with him, or your first post of 5 games = 5 manipulated :))

    i didnt agree with anyone. I said I know the difference despite what some say.

    first games I had involved chat being used for payments to win.. that was match manipulation.
    the second video was someone having a throw because the poor necro was focused.

    you seem to have trouble understanding this for what ever reason.

    Both cases are just as bad which is why im going to thank you for posting more evidence on the current state of ranked.

    Evidence on the current state of ranked? These type of games have existed since the beginning of the game, I have had people afk when it was lost since pre HoT times and you think suddenly now its some conspiracy match manipulation? Do you feel its a purpose playing when its 400-100 and you have had 20 deaths on your team?

    If anything the match making has its issues due to the low population in gw2 there is no other conspiracy behind it as you two seem to constantly think where each and every game is wintrading, that is nothing but salty tears.

    I am telling you that if there is even a slight possibility while queuing and I can end up with a game that differs 400-500 rating with me as a player and my teammate there is something wrong dont you think? This is the reason why these games exists, and even if there was a limit to 100 rating difference these games will still exist because of comps/lack of players

    Perfect example being 5 ESL players being 1700 rated and accidentally gets into the same team vs 5 non ESL players and it becomes 500-0 - the game has no knowledge that these people once upon a time used to compete in this game right? It only takes the rating and tries to balance the game.

    Also theres no possibility to limit search of a match with rating difference since that would end up the top tier never getting q pop.

    https://imgur.com/a/tM1Qwza

    Here i was 1900 rated and we ended up playing players that had 47% winratio and around 1230 rating, thats a whooping 700 rating difference :)

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