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Why do i face someone at 1750+ rating when i am gold

Is this games pvp so dead the matchmaking is nonexistent?

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  • Vague Memory.2817Vague Memory.2817 Member ✭✭✭

    Correct. There aren't enough people to match like to like skill levels. That's why there are a lot more 500/200 final scores, and under 100/500 with one team just giving up after getting destroyed in the first few mins and getting penned up at the respawn point.

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭

    That sounds about right. I very rarely have close matches, the kind that get the adrenaline going. We are usually either crushing or get getting crushed.

    No longer playing the game due to PvP being abandon.

  • DoomNexus.5324DoomNexus.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    It heavily depends on the daytime and day.. monday - saturday queues between like ~5pm and 11pm are usually relatively decent, a couple hours before and after are sometimes also okay.. During night and until early afternoon queues are usually broken. On Sundays I usually have generally pretty bad queues no matter when.

    But yes, unfortunately population is pretty low. To get some practice with your class and build I'd suggest doing unranked during off-times. Matchmaking is literally non-existent there so playing against much higher or much lower/mixed teams is pretty common (even more so than in ranked) and you can't really judge anything by any means there since almost everybody is just playing off-class or probably tries some weird stuff but you still get a better feeling for your class at least. So don't be salty when you get crushed, it really doesn't matter so just move on afterwards :)

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2019

    Lol 1750 i wish........i get games against the top 1st and 2nd person in this game 1800+ rating.....when im 1430 im 350+ points away from them......why am i playing against these people.
    Hey devs what the point of the match maker and limitations on rating between different players when this "error" happens? Plz tell me.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lol, I had that happen to me twice when climbings to plat. One game I had a game with Vans in it , while the other I had kitten bluri.

    Seriously, what the kitten is even the point of climbing when the top 30 people are gonna hammer you back down into gold when trying to get to plat 1-2.

  • I never commented in sPvP topics as I can see barely anything will change but I have to agree here and kindly ask how we get grouped against top ranks? I am low gold and faced in last match Naru and Xtrverz and we got badly owned as expected and to be honest I knew the minute we started and seen the names. I don't want to blame solely the low population but that was beyond laughable.

  • @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

  • Ryan.9387Ryan.9387 Member ✭✭✭

    @phalaris.5134 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

    Interesting way to say wintrading.

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ryan.9387 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

    Interesting way to say wintrading.

    Ah so queuing early to get matched up against lower tiers = wintrading?

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  • Menyus.4610Menyus.4610 Member ✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ryan.9387 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

    Interesting way to say wintrading.

    Ah so queuing early to get matched up against lower tiers = wintrading?

    encouring players to afk if they face against you is wintrading?

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vague Memory.2817 said:
    Correct. There aren't enough people to match like to like skill levels. That's why there are a lot more 500/200 final scores, and under 100/500 with one team just giving up after getting destroyed in the first few mins and getting penned up at the respawn point.

    That's being generous. I had a 500-0 match last night.

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  • Zephyra.4709Zephyra.4709 Member ✭✭✭

    Me being gold 3 at one point and seeing "Best of the Best" & "God of PvP" on the other team .......... guess I'll just die.

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  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ryan.9387 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ryan.9387 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

    Interesting way to say wintrading.

    Ah so queuing early to get matched up against lower tiers = wintrading?

    Did someone leave out a chak egg sac?

    But to stay remotely on topic. "Certain" players who have been actioned multiple times for wintrading / account sharing / selling monthly wins are once again at the top of the LB. These certain players most definitely played on another player's account last season who transferred to NA from EU. This player went from a 90%+ win rate to generic plat 2 player just one season later even with no balance patch in the meantime.

    These same players consistently have remarkably convenient DCs and throws when they start to lose. Strangely, the same classes played by the same players on alts do remarkably worse.

    You ignored my question. Queuing early to get matched with lower tiers = wintrade?

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  • James.1065James.1065 Member ✭✭✭

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ryan.9387 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

    Interesting way to say wintrading.

    Ah so queuing early to get matched up against lower tiers = wintrading?

    It does sound like a loop hole to manipulate who you fight against

  • Miyu.8137Miyu.8137 Member ✭✭
    edited June 25, 2019

    Queuing with 2nd acc playing random build or a class I suck on could be considered wintrading? While queuing my main as a duo with legendary tier players only. Are there actually still ppl who think the leaderboard reflects players skill? LoL

  • James.1065James.1065 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2019

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @James.1065 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ryan.9387 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

    Interesting way to say wintrading.

    Ah so queuing early to get matched up against lower tiers = wintrading?

    It does sound like a loop hole to manipulate who you fight against

    Ok so if i decide to queue early = wintrade? Now we limit times when people can q as well? Good to know, when am I allowed to start queuing in the morning to avoid lower tier matches? :)

    Well I wouldn't call it win-trading, but if you honest to yourself and others reading this, it seems you fully aware of what you are doing and that you make a conscious decision to que at these time to intently beat the match making system and face lower ranked players where you have a higher probability of winning rather then face players on your same level and only have 50/50 win chance. That does sound a lot like match manipulation to me, however if the population is so low what can you do right?

    Anyways in a bit of time when even more people leave because of higher ranked guys consistently poping up in lower ranked games as the population declines, I think this will just speed up the process of the game failing completely and will probably shut down. So there's no point in calling you out, the game is past the point of return so why bother

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miyu.8137 said:
    Queuing with 2nd acc playing random build or a class I suck on could be considered wintrading? While queuing my main as a duo with legendary tier players only. Are there actually still ppl who think the leaderboard reflects players skill? LoL

    lol no the term for that is "smurfing"

    playing on a lower rated account as a higher rated player is a pretty common occurrence when people want to mess around/test builds casually while not risking their main account's mmr/elo

    if someone plays poorly on a build/class on an alt account they won't end up in higher tier matches anyways, so wintrading wouldn't even be possible in this scenario

  • Miyu.8137Miyu.8137 Member ✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    lol no the term for that is "smurfing"

    playing on a lower rated account as a higher rated player is a pretty common occurrence when people want to mess around/test builds casually while not risking their main account's mmr/elo

    if someone plays poorly on a build/class on an alt account they won't end up in higher tier matches anyways, so wintrading wouldn't even be possible in this scenario

    Unless they keeping the 2nd acc in plat by playing meta build time to time. Nobody should play/test build they are unfamilar with in ranked games. Ppl should always give it the best as it's the end game. Go test your builds in unranked. Call it smurfing or wintrading, it's the same in fact.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miyu.8137 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    lol no the term for that is "smurfing"

    playing on a lower rated account as a higher rated player is a pretty common occurrence when people want to mess around/test builds casually while not risking their main account's mmr/elo

    if someone plays poorly on a build/class on an alt account they won't end up in higher tier matches anyways, so wintrading wouldn't even be possible in this scenario

    Unless they keeping the 2nd acc in plat by playing meta build time to time. Nobody should play/test build they are unfamilar with in ranked games. Ppl should always give it the best as it's the end game. Go test your builds in unranked. Call it smurfing or wintrading, it's the same in fact.

    having an alt account in plat isn't considered wintrading either

    neither is playing a build you're unfamiliar with in ranked

    unless you're going out of your way to throw games, it's not wintrading

  • Gamble.4580Gamble.4580 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2019

    Gw2 forums be like we need safe spaces!!
    It’s come down to them drilling at people now for times they play?? Hahaha
    U guys are getting desperate now lmao.
    people can play at what ever time they like and I think people forget it might be Na but worlds bIg with many different time zones.
    And if it’s for more easy games and leaderboard reasons then let them do them if that’s the pvp they like to play. Love how everyone likes to judge others now and get involved. Acting like gw2 is life boys..
    Gw2 is bae not life.

  • Ryan.9387Ryan.9387 Member ✭✭✭

    @James.1065 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:

    @Ryan.9387 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:
    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    I can see that but it's somewhat interesting to see that they get high ranks (obviously earned with skills) but maintain them with low rank games and huge blow outs. It's cleverly chosen to play off peak and somehow get into low tiers.

    Interesting way to say wintrading.

    Ah so queuing early to get matched up against lower tiers = wintrading?

    It does sound like a loop hole to manipulate who you fight against

    You don't have to act dense, everyone knows you understand what is going on perfectly well. Some could even say you've had a front row seat.

  • Les.4872Les.4872 Member ✭✭✭

    Maybe it's because you're just that good. At least the game thinks so.

    Merciless Idiot

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    In off peak times these matches happen, yes. I can imagine it's even more frequent on NA, where the PvP population is even lower on EU. The effect is also self-reinforcing, because it's common wisdom among higher ranked players that you will get mostly bad matches (= matches where low rated people are combined with high rated people, making MM the decisive factor) outside of afternoon/evening Qs, so many of these players avoid qing at night or early in the day, making it even worse for the few who still do.

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  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Abisha.9028 said:
    ah that explains why i keep drooping rating i am current at bronze level and still dropping to 700 or something.
    it would be lot more fair if i face people with the same rating so i can learn how to play not fight elitists.

    I guess that most casuals and lower-ranked players have been scared away from PvP already, making it near-impossible for casuals to get a fair match at their skill level.

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  • yanniell.1236yanniell.1236 Member ✭✭✭

    @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:
    I never commented in sPvP topics as I can see barely anything will change but I have to agree here and kindly ask how we get grouped against top ranks? I am low gold and faced in last match Naru and Xtrverz and we got badly owned as expected and to be honest I knew the minute we started and seen the names. I don't want to blame solely the low population but that was beyond laughable.

    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    Without the duoQ, Naru wouldnt even be trying. If he cannot abuse the system by duo + playing off hours, he won't even try.

  • Gamble.4580Gamble.4580 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2019

    @yanniell.1236 said:

    @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @phalaris.5134 said:
    I never commented in sPvP topics as I can see barely anything will change but I have to agree here and kindly ask how we get grouped against top ranks? I am low gold and faced in last match Naru and Xtrverz and we got badly owned as expected and to be honest I knew the minute we started and seen the names. I don't want to blame solely the low population but that was beyond laughable.

    If there wasn't the duoQ system, you would have 1 in your team and the other in the enemy team. More balanced.
    The duoQ makes things even worst.

    Without the duoQ, Naru wouldnt even be trying. If he cannot abuse the system by duo + playing off hours, he won't even try.

    That’s abit salty. The guys playing with the chips delt. If you want that title this is how you play... u duo and u find the best time. Although I see Naru in games ranked and Unranked and his defo top S player so maybe getting rank one fits?

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 26, 2019

    @TalleFjanten.7159 said:
    Is this games pvp so dead the matchmaking is nonexistent?

    few week ago i saw Unyielding Legend in a silver match @ Temple, completely trashed the other team by himself

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  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 26, 2019

    @Vagrant.7206 said:

    @Vague Memory.2817 said:
    Correct. There aren't enough people to match like to like skill levels. That's why there are a lot more 500/200 final scores, and under 100/500 with one team just giving up after getting destroyed in the first few mins and getting penned up at the respawn point.

    That's being generous. I had a 500-0 match last night.

    you broke the best record i've seen:lol: the most i've seen was 500-8

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  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 26, 2019

    Guildmate had a game today, his team was basically gold 3 at best, full PvE titles, nobody talks, they wander around the map, never look at the minimap, don't know buff timers on Temple, you know the drill.

    Enemy team, multiple people in top 100, everyone with Ruthless/Relentless legend titles. Oh and they were 2 duos vs 5 solo. I don't mind duos but why tf are high rated duos being put against low rated solos? Used to be the other way around. Enemy team had a DC since the beginning and they still roflstomped the my guildie's team, 4v5.

    From what I hear matchmaking has never been worse and I honestly don't even care enough to try playing PvP anymore. I'm just here to act bitter on the forums now.

  • The lack of a larger playbase is the main reason why. ANets ranked system only works with a large number of players, but given that PvP has been in an increasing decline since season 5 theres only so much that can be done; especially to try and keep que times low. During prime hours on the weekend, matchmaking is a little better, but during the week, bona fortuna.

  • TAIKA.1903TAIKA.1903 Member ✭✭

    @witcher.3197 said:
    Guildmate had a game today, his team was basically gold 3 at best, full PvE titles, nobody talks, they wander around the map, never look at the minimap, don't know buff timers on Temple, you know the drill.

    Enemy team, multiple people in top 100, everyone with Ruthless/Relentless legend titles. Oh and they were 2 duos vs 5 solo. I don't mind duos but why tf are high rated duos being put against low rated solos? Used to be the other way around. Enemy team had a DC since the beginning and they still roflstomped the my guildie's team, 4v5.

    From what I hear matchmaking has never been worse and I honestly don't even care enough to try playing PvP anymore. I'm just here to act bitter on the forums now.

    I can tell you my experience.

    My firends and I are plat2 and have ralentless legend tittle. We had a match with "bronze" player.

    Why do we know he is a bronze player?

    Because we carried that match really hardly.

    After we won that match, we only got 6~7 rating, and that bronze player said "I finially get into silver because I get 35 rating!!!!"

  • James.1065James.1065 Member ✭✭✭

    @TAIKA.1903 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:
    Guildmate had a game today, his team was basically gold 3 at best, full PvE titles, nobody talks, they wander around the map, never look at the minimap, don't know buff timers on Temple, you know the drill.

    Enemy team, multiple people in top 100, everyone with Ruthless/Relentless legend titles. Oh and they were 2 duos vs 5 solo. I don't mind duos but why tf are high rated duos being put against low rated solos? Used to be the other way around. Enemy team had a DC since the beginning and they still roflstomped the my guildie's team, 4v5.

    From what I hear matchmaking has never been worse and I honestly don't even care enough to try playing PvP anymore. I'm just here to act bitter on the forums now.

    I can tell you my experience.

    My firends and I are plat2 and have ralentless legend tittle. We had a match with "bronze" player.

    Why do we know he is a bronze player?

    Because we carried that match really hardly.

    After we won that match, we only got 6~7 rating, and that bronze player said "I finially get into silver because I get 35 rating!!!!"

    I must be carrying pretty hard then cause I am gold level 2, I only solo Q, and I average on getting about 9 points per win vs 18 points per loss :/

    How are you expected to progress when you need a 66% win ratio to just stand still!

  • bluri.2653bluri.2653 Member ✭✭✭

    @TAIKA.1903 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:
    Guildmate had a game today, his team was basically gold 3 at best, full PvE titles, nobody talks, they wander around the map, never look at the minimap, don't know buff timers on Temple, you know the drill.

    Enemy team, multiple people in top 100, everyone with Ruthless/Relentless legend titles. Oh and they were 2 duos vs 5 solo. I don't mind duos but why tf are high rated duos being put against low rated solos? Used to be the other way around. Enemy team had a DC since the beginning and they still roflstomped the my guildie's team, 4v5.

    From what I hear matchmaking has never been worse and I honestly don't even care enough to try playing PvP anymore. I'm just here to act bitter on the forums now.

    I can tell you my experience.

    My firends and I are plat2 and have ralentless legend tittle. We had a match with "bronze" player.

    Why do we know he is a bronze player?

    Because we carried that match really hardly.

    After we won that match, we only got 6~7 rating, and that bronze player said "I finially get into silver because I get 35 rating!!!!"

    He could have trolled you being sarcastic and could have had decay

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  • Gamble.4580Gamble.4580 Member ✭✭✭

    I am normally plat some times t1mostly t3 leg 3 times plat 3 but dropped to p2. I started this season silver. Lost 7/10 in placements but still got placed in games that where plat. So it’s possible to have a silver as I was and took a week to climb back into plat 1 was p2 yesterday then 10 loss back to top end of gold. With this in hand I thought if silver I would face people at a close rank but without the pop being in question I think game kinda knows your skill level with allot more factors that badge.

  • Crius.5487Crius.5487 Member ✭✭✭

    The other day I saw gold 3 players in the top 250. If you go back two years ago you weren't making it in the top 250 unless you were at least plat 2. Population is dwindling because very little is being introduced into the game mode to keep people playing.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    We are all legends in spirit.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    The toxicity is strong. You got people who have been playing this game for 7 years getting paired with people who have been this game for 1 year. Then the 7 year guys flame the 1 year guys for not playing as well as them.

  • Chilli.2976Chilli.2976 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TalleFjanten.7159 said:
    Is this games pvp so dead the matchmaking is nonexistent?

    Take it as a compliment, you are a GOD!

  • rwolf.9571rwolf.9571 Member ✭✭✭

    Basically if you are anywhere near gold three, or even sneeze into gold 3, your are top 10 material in terms of Anets matchmaking eyes.

  • rng.1024rng.1024 Member ✭✭✭✭

    To git gud obviously

  • Kamskill.9457Kamskill.9457 Member ✭✭

    @Crius.5487 said:
    The other day I saw gold 3 players in the top 250. If you go back two years ago you weren't making it in the top 250 unless you were at least plat 2. Population is dwindling because very little is being introduced into the game mode to keep people playing.

    Not in Europe

    That's my alt account btw

  • ZhouX.8742ZhouX.8742 Member ✭✭✭

    5 man queue could help reinvigorate no?

  • Bazooka.3590Bazooka.3590 Member ✭✭✭

    MM was always a piece of kitten but anet denies it. They don't want to know about pvp they just want to sweep the whole thing under the carpet.

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