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  • Daddicus.6128Daddicus.6128 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    ... DPS is not the end all be all. ...

    This. This is THE most important fact about fractals, and there are a very high percentage of players who simply can't understand that. I avoid any group whose advertisement says "DPS" in it unless there are no other options.

  • Daddicus.6128Daddicus.6128 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mysticjedi.6053 said:
    DPS meters are good for groups who want to clear content fast because they either;
    A. Think speed equals skill
    B. Have a limited okay window and want to go through materials they have already done for the joy of it, without teaching it

    Typically I look for semi exp groups when I have plenty of time and don't care as I do not expect them to use DPS meters. I like for exp. groups when I am in a rush and expect my DOS to be monitored.

    If you are concerned about not hitting benchmarks play Druid, Healbrand, or Chrono. Their dogs sucks, but that isn't why they brought. Just keep everyone else alive and boon'd up and life is good.

    Or my favorite, a condi minion reaper who specializes in breakbar-breaking, boon-stripping, and being alive long enough to rally (or even revive) other teammates. He has miserable DPS (except in end-case situations where he switches to greatsword.) But, interrupting Ensolyss in his big windup is SUCH a great feeling that I really don't care what others think about my DPS. Or, my all-time favorite: killing Firestorm while downed and all of the other four players are defeated. But, that only happened once. Interrupting Ensolyss happens more frequently.

  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @neven.3785 said:
    In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

    There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?

    of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?

    and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..

    i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."

    right?

    I'm not quite sure what your point here is.
    Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

    Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.
    If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

    The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.
    If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

    Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.
    So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.
    Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

    Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

    k.

    assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

    4 attributes gets to +100..

    ok

    compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

    now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

    and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

    and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

    Right?

    so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

    and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

    You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

    4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

    If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

    In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.
    Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

    "As you know, those who you once called friends have become enemies." ~Glint

  • DeadlySynz.3471DeadlySynz.3471 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've said this many times, as have others; either ban dps meters or remove raids altogether. Since we know raids aren't going anywhere, next logical step is to ban dps meters, but moreso be lightning quick to enforce it.

    If Anet simply just.. deleted someone's account on the very first infraction of criticizing someone else, the problem would fix itself over night. Hell, even make a video of the screenshotted comment, the taking control of the person's account, and deleting all their characters, then post it on the forums as an example. Yes, the problem would fix itself overnight.

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    I've said this many times, as have others; either ban dps meters or remove raids altogether. Since we know raids aren't going anywhere, next logical step is to ban dps meters, but moreso be lightning quick to enforce it.

    If Anet simply just.. deleted someone's account on the very first infraction of criticizing someone else, the problem would fix itself over night. Hell, even make a video of the screenshotted comment, the taking control of the person's account, and deleting all their characters, then post it on the forums as an example. Yes, the problem would fix itself overnight.

    The same issues (toxicity) appeared in dungeons even before dps meters where a thing

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    I've said this many times, as have others; either ban dps meters or remove raids altogether. Since we know raids aren't going anywhere, next logical step is to ban dps meters, but moreso be lightning quick to enforce it.

    If Anet simply just.. deleted someone's account on the very first infraction of criticizing someone else, the problem would fix itself over night. Hell, even make a video of the screenshotted comment, the taking control of the person's account, and deleting all their characters, then post it on the forums as an example. Yes, the problem would fix itself overnight.

    Somebody can be a furry or a bronny and be an expert raider. Theirs really no reason to call them out seperatly

  • A "furry or bronny" thats actually good at the game should have enough brain to realize the post wasnt directed at him for those players actually care about their performance and laugh it off

    unless were still in THAT generation who thinks using PC wording is above everything else, well maybe get used to real life then cause its not always peanuts and butterflies

    dude, the "sh" word is being censored... well no problem, i see why but its being replaced with KITTEN ok? where are we? in the kindergarden or sth? just put **** on it jesus
    this stuff literally confirms some of my points about this community

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 29, 2019

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    One of the tools that did was banned, yes. The other one stopped distributing a version that had the same TOS breaking features publicly and was then greenlighted by the developers.

    ArcDPS was greenlit once it wan't breaking the TOS anymore
    edit: was Arc breaking the TOS?

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 29, 2019

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    If Anet simply just.. deleted someone's account on the very first infraction of criticizing someone else, the problem would fix itself over night. Hell, even make a video of the screenshotted comment, the taking control of the person's account, and deleting all their characters, then post it on the forums as an example. Yes, the problem would fix itself overnight.

    If Anet simply deleted someone's account on their first LFG abuse, joining a group asking for something while not providing what the team is asking for, then DPS meters would no longer be used to kick others as there would be no need to do so.

    So the meters will be used only to better teams. But this cannot happen as we all know those guys joining groups they don't belong to will never take responsibility and instead come on the forums and kitten about it.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 29, 2019

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @neven.3785 said:
    In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

    There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?

    of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?

    and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..

    i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."

    right?

    I'm not quite sure what your point here is.
    Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

    Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.
    If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

    The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.
    If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

    Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.
    So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.
    Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

    Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

    k.

    assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

    4 attributes gets to +100..

    ok

    compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

    now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

    and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

    and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

    Right?

    so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

    and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

    No, actually 4 attributes are pushed by 4,000 total. Banners go on 10 people. Now let's be generous and assume only damage dealers, still makes banners give 400 stats to 6 people in a raid (still 2,400 total stats), and 3 people in fractals (1,200 total stats). The math has been done and even for fractals, banners win out damage wise.

    Then you factor in how damage is calculated and how more damage stats on the top end increase your damage significantly.

    Then you factor in that Strength banner gives power AND condition damage and discipline gives crit and critical damage (and is often accounted for in builds to reach 100% thus making people not use assassins but berserker gear) so your entire condition damage assumption goes out the window.

    That's why it was mentioned that banners are:

    Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.

    By your same logic druids should not give boons but play soulbeast for damage, chronos should always be dps instead of support and Firebrands would not exist since guardians should be running Dragonhunter for maximum power dps.

  • Schimmi.6872Schimmi.6872 Member ✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    One of the tools that did was banned, yes. The other one stopped distributing a version that had the same TOS breaking features publicly and was then greenlighted by the developers.

    ArcDPS was greenlit once it wan't breaking the TOS anymore
    edit: was Arc breaking the TOS?

    I can't remeber much about it, as I haven't used it back then, but at least the hp numbers for the enemies had to be removed. I think it was also possible to see the dps of people outside of the squad/group, which was removed too.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i would point back "and my skill measuring sayign ur skill sucks" that why u need top DPS rushers to play with u, game is carrying u hard baby.

    than i would block it.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 29, 2019

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @neven.3785 said:
    In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

    There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?

    of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?

    and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..

    i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."

    right?

    I'm not quite sure what your point here is.
    Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

    Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.
    If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

    The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.
    If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

    Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.
    So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.
    Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

    Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

    k.

    assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

    4 attributes gets to +100..

    ok

    compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

    now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

    and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

    and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

    Right?

    so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

    and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

    You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

    4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

    If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

    In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.
    Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

    k.

    you're talking about raids.

    im talking about fractals/dungeons.

    big difference.

    and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

    and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..

    while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

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  • Walhalla.5473Walhalla.5473 Member ✭✭✭

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    I've said this many times, as have others; either ban dps meters or remove raids altogether. Since we know raids aren't going anywhere, next logical step is to ban dps meters, but moreso be lightning quick to enforce it.

    If Anet simply just.. deleted someone's account on the very first infraction of criticizing someone else, the problem would fix itself over night. Hell, even make a video of the screenshotted comment, the taking control of the person's account, and deleting all their characters, then post it on the forums as an example. Yes, the problem would fix itself overnight.

    So you want a more restrictive and toxic community and also kitten off a good amount of players and then kill the game.... Nice.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    k.
    you're talking about raids.
    im talking about fractals/dungeons.
    big difference.
    and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.
    and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..
    while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

    It also matters for fractals, see the reply of Cyninja. In dungeons you won't even bring a warrior nowadays if you attempt to fast clear it if I'm not mistaken. And for pug dungeons it doesn't matter what you play anyways because unless it's not a very restricted lfg groups often are inexperienced how to run the dungeon the fastest or in an efficient way. It is not needed because the power creep is so big you can just go trial and error and most likely succeed.
    The thing is most GW2 players don't even know how fast you can be if you min/max to the end. Take a look at Arah, some groups are in there for an hour or endlessly wipe at Lupi even today while good groups breeze through within a couple of minutes.
    Anyways if you join a group that asks for a banner slave then bring the banners. They are looking for this specific build. There are enough others you can join and both sides will be happy.

  • Compleo.3182Compleo.3182 Member ✭✭

    Argument about doing mechanics and having low dps is just pure garbage. For example, you can do greens on dhuum as bs and get 10k++ final dps while most of bs players are like 6k. And then they say 'oh wait, I was doing greens'. No, they are just weak players. If you join as dps, you do dps, you can be top dps even of you press f a few times, because, guess what, those dead players also lose dps. Ofc, if you do cannons on Sab, you cant beat top dps, but I've never seen a call out cuz of this. So general tip is to get good.

  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @neven.3785 said:
    In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

    There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?

    of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?

    and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..

    i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."

    right?

    I'm not quite sure what your point here is.
    Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

    Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.
    If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

    The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.
    If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

    Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.
    So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.
    Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

    Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

    k.

    assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

    4 attributes gets to +100..

    ok

    compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

    now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

    and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

    and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

    Right?

    so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

    and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

    You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

    4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

    If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

    In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.
    Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

    k.

    you're talking about raids.

    im talking about fractals/dungeons.

    big difference.

    I don't think you know what you are talking about.
    In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.
    You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.
    For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

    The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..

    while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

    It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.
    If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

    "As you know, those who you once called friends have become enemies." ~Glint

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mordayn.6198 said:
    I've seen particular players, not naming names, not even playing dps but at the end of an engagement will call out people for DPS that's not even that low at the end of a fight and in some cases even kick based on that. These players don't take into account dps lost doing mechanics, dps lost reviving people etc. They just look at the overall dps readout at the end of the fight and use numbers to chastise other players.

    Hi OP, certainly no one should verbally harass anyone in this game, dps meter or not. I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware that actually arcdps records a staggering amount of information. You can watch a video I made to help my guild progress on qadim 1.0 back when we were learning it. You will see that I am able to see position, whos dodged big attacks, what skills people used, total damage taken, boon uptime, and so much more.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @thrag.9740 said:

    @Mordayn.6198 said:
    I've seen particular players, not naming names, not even playing dps but at the end of an engagement will call out people for DPS that's not even that low at the end of a fight and in some cases even kick based on that. These players don't take into account dps lost doing mechanics, dps lost reviving people etc. They just look at the overall dps readout at the end of the fight and use numbers to chastise other players.

    Hi OP, certainly no one should verbally harass anyone in this game, dps meter or not. I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware that actually arcdps records a staggering amount of information. You can watch a video I made to help my guild progress on qadim 1.0 back when we were learning it. You will see that I am able to see position, whos dodged big attacks, what skills people used, total damage taken, boon uptime, and so much more.

    I like it. Nice approach of helping people understand how the fight went.

    It's a shame so few people actually care about looking past the first page on the damage logs. Most often boon uptime, missed mechanics, damage taken, rotation, cleanses, etc. (and even reviewing the entire fight) are way more interesting and useful in understanding what transpired and what needs improvement (and also way more important in locating which players might have issues, why and potentionally how to help them/the raid or the composition).

    Dps is almost always the least important stat since for experienced groups it's all about who did best and for inexperienced groups, as mentioned, the other factors dealing with mechanics and support are way more important.

  • ZeftheWicked.3076ZeftheWicked.3076 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Did my fair share of T4 on crusader reaper with blood magic specced for healing and resses. Had quite a few cases where full berserker build on my repaer meant party wipe, while crusader resser/healer kept party on it's legs and cleared the fractal. So kitten dps meters.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @neven.3785 said:
    In the past it was possible with one of the common DPS meters used. Also range check that told.you how many enemies are nearby. I left a guild I was a long time member of because they started interrogating members over specific slotted gear pieces or a minor trait choice. I wasn't the target but I'm of firm opinion that it was not how to run a guild especially since it violated terms of service. Other ways to git gud without such tools.

    There is a reason those tools where banned and Arc was not. Not sure how that's relevant now.

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    so does arcdps dictate your "Rotation"?

    of course you don't just 1111111 the Violet Boss Right? assuming that you've played a single class for how many, 7 years, you don't just 111111 right? there are 9 other skills, right?

    and you can even not copy a build using a website and discover by yourselves that there are higher damage build customizations other than the meta builds in the website..

    i can just bring a warrior without banners and still damage is still high... its called "traits for weapon/skill cooldown reduction.."

    right?

    I'm not quite sure what your point here is.
    Arc doesn't dictate rotations, it simply let's you check if you or others are performing them up to standard and assists in the creation of them by providing feedback.

    Plenty of skills reduce DPS due to cast times or aftercasts. It's not just not pressing 1. Additionally a lot of DPS builds utilize combos/burst windows, aka creating damage modifiers and then using as many of the highest damage skills available as possible in them.
    If you don't know the rotation, there is plenty you can do wrong.

    The builds and rotations that are on those sites are there because they are the highest DPS achievable to current knowledge.
    If you came up with something higher, feel free to let the rest of us know.

    Bringing Banners is a DPS sacrifice Warriors make to increase Squad DPS, which is all that matters.
    So yes, not taking Banners should not only result in "still" high personal DPS, but higher.
    Personal DPS isn't strictly what you take a Banner Warrior for though.

    Again, not sure what the point is you are trying to make.

    k.

    assuming that you bring the Strength and Discipline banners

    4 attributes gets to +100..

    ok

    compare that to berserker stance, which when used will make your adren full (try to know if how many times) and balanced stance (coz if you got CCed by the boss equals no damage). and traits that lengthen the stances (so more fast adrenaline recharge). Berserker Stance will make any conditions on you useless too. (Blind, Weakness, anything that can kitten or prevent damage)

    now go to the weapons = reduced recharge means weapon skill is almost being used everytime, yes? make your main weapons (GS/whatever) have reduced recharge

    and tactics - 3 - 3 -3

    and since your weapon is GS and you slotted the GS cooldown reduction, you have access to Might Makes Right?

    Right?

    so now compare Berserker Stance + Balanced Stance (on a stance duration increase) versus Str and Disc Banners

    and yeah, if the boss is condi heavy inflicting damage gimping/prevention, +400 on the attributes, even when it's shared, is almost incomparable/useless coz your constant uninterrupted damage became 0 with the Bosses condis..

    You genuinely have no idea what the role of the Banner Warrior is.

    4000 Squad wide Attributes with Banners + 500 from EA, in part needed to crit cap all your DPS's, as well as the CC from Mace/Mace is the main reason to bring pBS to Raids.

    If you get constantly CC'ed or are afflicted with Weakness for a substantial amount of time, I a) am not sure what boss that is supposed to be and b) your supports suck.

    In terms of Squad DPS and Utility, yes, your suggested build pales in comparison.
    Making a build that has higher personal DPS as a Banner Warrior is a no brainer, since Banner Warrior isn't strictly a DPS...

    k.

    you're talking about raids.

    im talking about fractals/dungeons.

    big difference.

    I don't think you know what you are talking about.
    In Fractals your group even more so relies on you as Warrior to play Mace/Mace as primary CC together with the Renegade, with Axe/Axe being superior for DPS.
    You won't use that GS unless you know there won't be any Breakbars in the upcoming encounters.
    For Stab and condi cleanse, again, run a supFB. Together with the Rev being able to swap to Jalis, you will have more Stab than you'll ever need, freeing you to take Banners, which still are a valuable stat increase in 5 man content.

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    and pugging/joining on the fly in raids is fake news. raid guilds sell them.

    The fact that there are some raid sellers doesn't mean people aren't pugging Raids, what's your point?

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    and if raid guilds say you must bring banner, you have no choice..

    while banner on 5 people is almost negligible.. if all of you have skills that do not kitten your damage, IN ANY WAY...

    It's less negligible than everything else you could bring.
    If you are neither bringing Banners nor Mace/Mace, then there is little reason to bring a pWarrior.

    the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

    so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

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  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @ZeftheWicked.3076 said:
    Did my fair share of T4 on crusader reaper with blood magic specced for healing and resses. Had quite a few cases where full berserker build on my repaer meant party wipe, while crusader resser/healer kept party on it's legs and cleared the fractal. So kitten dps meters.

    Bad players need to show off, how big they have it.

    Game should force players to play hsa team, what happens is game is so dull that players want to get greedy and play high DPS only, gameplay mchanics generates this kind of behaviour.

  • Carcharoth Lucian.1378Carcharoth Lucian.1378 Member ✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

    so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

    And? What's your point compared to what others said about opti party and support role?

    Cuz we are talking about fractal/raid party, not you alone against one champion.

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  • HnRkLnXqZ.1870HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Member ✭✭✭

    As far as I understood the dps meters functionality, it collects data of players which are already accessible. Can we have a privacy checkbox in our options?

    Something like
    O Allow other players to read out your combat log. (or what ever the meter uses)

    The meter will not be touched, but the players can decide if they want to participate in the madness or not. And if you are monitoring your groups dps and do not get data of a single participant, you can ask them politely to check the box.

  • Carcharoth Lucian.1378Carcharoth Lucian.1378 Member ✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said:
    As far as I understood the dps meters functionality, it collects data of players which are already accessible. Can we have a privacy checkbox in our options?

    Something like
    O Allow other players to read out your combat log. (or what ever the meter uses)

    The meter will not be touched, but the players can decide if they want to participate in the madness or not. And if you are monitoring your groups dps and do not get data of a single participant, you can ask them politely to check the box.

    Well information collected by arcdps is not private in the first place, so there is no point to hide it.

    But if you don't want ppl to look at your dps, don't join the more demanding parties in fractals and raids. Like others said there are plenty of chill parties in fractals for example.

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  • BRNBRITO.9624BRNBRITO.9624 Member ✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    Never seen toxicity towards low dps on raids/fractals unless they were SEVERELY underperforming, and i mean consistently doing minstrel druid levels of dps while also having terrible positioning AND messing up mechanics, been in many runs with terrible boon uptime as well (like <50% quickness <20% alacrity) and almost never see supports get called out as well cause most of the time people just wanna get it done with.

    Every now and then someone will ask 'hey why are boon uptimes/your dps so low' and they'll just reply with 'i play however i want with my build, i've done this encounter many times so i know what im doing and im not downing so its not my fault etcetc...'.

    I still often see chronos who will wait 3 clones to do CS rotation, cast like 1 well per minute and still do 1k dps, like... how?

    Kill speed is not the only thing that dictates skill but it surely is one of the factors for me at least, high dps means you can skip A LOT of mechanics on pretty much all encounters, thus, reducing pressure on everybody.
    Thing is most people not only do low damage/bad support but also have really low awareness of what's going on and/or slow reaction time, or think they're contributing a lot with their own builds when actually they're not.
    If you're aware of your/other people mechanics, react fast to everything and adapt on the fly, and still keep top-tier dps under pressure/not optimal situations then i'm sure you must have at least some skill.

  • Mordayn.6198Mordayn.6198 Member ✭✭✭

    @HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said:
    As far as I understood the dps meters functionality, it collects data of players which are already accessible. Can we have a privacy checkbox in our options?

    Something like
    O Allow other players to read out your combat log. (or what ever the meter uses)

    The meter will not be touched, but the players can decide if they want to participate in the madness or not. And if you are monitoring your groups dps and do not get data of a single participant, you can ask them politely to check the box.

    Man, that's actually a great idea. I wonder how hard it would be for them to implement something like that. That would allow you to be able to still see your own dps but other players wouldn't if you choose not to have it visible, letting the tool exist for what it's meant for but being able to take the part that facilitates toxic behavior away if you chose to.

  • @Mordayn.6198 said:

    @HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said:
    As far as I understood the dps meters functionality, it collects data of players which are already accessible. Can we have a privacy checkbox in our options?

    Something like
    O Allow other players to read out your combat log. (or what ever the meter uses)

    The meter will not be touched, but the players can decide if they want to participate in the madness or not. And if you are monitoring your groups dps and do not get data of a single participant, you can ask them politely to check the box.

    Man, that's actually a great idea. I wonder how hard it would be for them to implement something like that. That would allow you to be able to still see your own dps but other players wouldn't if you choose not to have it visible, letting the tool exist for what it's meant for but being able to take the part that facilitates toxic behavior away if you chose to.

    To be fair, if you hide it in exp party, you would just kick almost instantly because it would mean that you have something to hide like a very bad dps as dps class... even if it's not the case.. so the toxic behavior would be worse than now.

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  • @BRNBRITO.9624 said:
    Never seen toxicity towards low dps on raids/fractals unless they were SEVERELY underperforming

    That's so true, most groups don't care if the content is actually clear.

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  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

    so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

    And? What's your point compared to what others said about opti party and support role?

    Cuz we are talking about fractal/raid party, not you alone against one champion.

    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

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  • @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

    so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

    And? What's your point compared to what others said about opti party and support role?

    Cuz we are talking about fractal/raid party, not you alone against one champion.

    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

    i think you just don't know how work party synergy.
    If you stack 5 warrior that play like you, your group will just much slower to clear the content than an opti group (like 1 heal + 1 boon dealer + 1 pbs + 2 pdps).

    And i hope i misunderstood but if you need 5 min to kill one champ, that's just sad.

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  • @zionophir.6845 said:
    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

    Please post your build that does 30k dps with 1 skill and also being self-sustaining with constant 25 might sharing , resistance, stab, vulnerability etc

  • @BRNBRITO.9624 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

    Please post your build that does 30k dps with 1 skill and also being self-sustaining with constant 25 might sharing , resistance, stab, vulnerability etc

    he didn't say he's doing 30k dps, he just doing 30k+ DAMAGE in x (?) seconds

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  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭

    @BRNBRITO.9624 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

    Please post your build that does 30k dps with 1 skill and also being self-sustaining with constant 25 might sharing , resistance, stab, vulnerability etc

    i pug. i trust what i see and what i saw..

    so if you pug, mostlikely it won't be repeated again.

    and if i pug, its usually BYOBuild.

    (it was in WvWvW killing a champion tower boss)

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  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    the max damage that i inflict to a Gold Champion boss with GS skill 2 alone, with all the skill boosters (no item booster) like might and vulnerability maxed is 30,000++

    so you now know why i am advocating traiting Weapon Cooldown Reduction..

    And? What's your point compared to what others said about opti party and support role?

    Cuz we are talking about fractal/raid party, not you alone against one champion.

    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

    i think you just don't know how work party synergy.
    If you stack 5 warrior that play like you, your group will just much slower to clear the content than an opti group (like 1 heal + 1 boon dealer + 1 pbs + 2 pdps).

    And i hope i misunderstood but if you need 5 min to kill one champ, that's just sad.

    i was being generous on that 5 minutes. or maybe i was referring to 20 man hitting a Champion Boss.

    and what's the reason why i told you that 5 persons @ their top dps will kill a Champion Boss in 5 minutes?

    (its either there are 2 bosses. or Legendary Boss)..

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  • Carcharoth Lucian.1378Carcharoth Lucian.1378 Member ✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    and what's the reason why i told you that 5 persons @ their top dps will kill a Champion Boss in 5 minutes?

    I'm not sure i'm understood your question...

    (it was in WvWvW killing a champion tower boss)

    What this has to do with fractals?

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  • HnRkLnXqZ.1870HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:
    Well information collected by arcdps is not private in the first place, so there is no point to hide it.

    But if you don't want ppl to look at your dps, don't join the more demanding parties in fractals and raids. Like others said there are plenty of chill parties in fractals for example.

    It is definitely not my data, you are correct about that, it is 100% property of ANet. The question is, was it really necessary to spread the data out, readable for everyone else?

    I avoid Raids, Fractals and sadly even Dungeons nowadays. I do not want to discuss my performance with other people in places where peak performance is not required. We had this topic on the boards plenty of times as well. I cannot force anyone to not use the tool, so I skip the content that attracts players who use the tool. I do guild-runs, when they ask for help. But no pug-runs.

  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭

    @Katary.7096 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

    So something like this would happen? (Yeah it's sub 4mins, that group probably cheated somewhere.)

    I don't know, looks like they are running meta builds. The warrior even has banners, just crazy.
    /s

    Have you actually played the raids in Guild Wars 2? It honestly sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about.

    yeah, you show a video of 5 players and seeing a warrior that has a banner and conclude that everyone does the same..

    what a comedian you are. go apply in a comedy bar..

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  • zionophir.6845zionophir.6845 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    @Carcharoth Lucian.1378 said:

    @BRNBRITO.9624 said:
    So basically "I did 30k damage with 1 skill so i'm doing good", facepalm

    yep, so 30k dmg with hundred blades in 6s and half (with Weapon Cooldown Reduction, 8s without). So around 5k dps...

    yeah of course if you do ultra high damage, your build must be good. you don't join a fractal/dungeon and kill bosses with some wuss damage.

    and also coz the arcdps guys will kick you out,

    am i brite?

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  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019

    this is easy !! if you dps/class/rotation or you try ress other people ? so this not ok - DONT GO RAIDS !
    I don't go raids and fell good wwihtout aby toxication. Want fo fractals and have low dps? use support class or don't go this at all.
    World bosses, wvw, spvp, wwrold meta, sw, and other content waiting you !

  • Mordayn.6198Mordayn.6198 Member ✭✭✭

    So i really liked @HnRkLnXqZ.1870 idea about being able to select your dps be hidden from Arc. I wonder if that's something that can be done on the Arcdps side or if it's something that anet would have to implement. Based on the Website info.

    how does it work
    arcdps hooks client network data before it is overwritten (among other helper functions), making it not user agreement friendly.
    however, in the feb 2017 ama, arenanet has granted 3rd party tools permission to collect and display combat stats via means previously not allowed.
    these are runtime modifications only, no changes are made to files on disk.

  • Walhalla.5473Walhalla.5473 Member ✭✭✭

    @Nephalem.8921 said:

    @BRNBRITO.9624 said:

    @zionophir.6845 said:
    in a fractals party, if you spec your character to do 30,000 damage just using 1 skill and self-sustaining, and the other 4 do the same, sharing might and constant @ 25, resistance, stab, inflicting vulnerability, etc.. what do you think will happen?

    i asked an oracle about this and she said, "Done in 5 minutes.." she speaks metaphors..

    anyway, this is different from rAIDS, where damage is scaled coz you're so many there..

    Please post your build that does 30k dps with 1 skill and also being self-sustaining with constant 25 might sharing , resistance, stab, vulnerability etc

    He doesn't use dmg meters so he doesn't even know how hard his builds underperorm. He saw a 30k 100blades and thinks it's a lot. The ps banner bs hits for more than double that amount but you can't know that if you don't run arc or watch guides.
    Axe hits way harder than that anyways and also stacks might because the gs trait works with other weapons aswell now. My reaper has almost 30k autoattacks.
    You will never notice how hard your own build sucks or which profession is strong wuithout comparing to others. I got even told in a t3 fractal rec that weaver is garbage in fractals during the old op staff days.
    Build inspections would be really funny in open world content. Would explain some of the difficulty complaints in the general forum like the souleater who got nerfed because still a lot of players have no clue what a breakbar is.

    Since I only disable ArcDPS after a big patch for a short amount of time, I see the dps numbers on open world fights ( when fighitng in squads ) and those numbers are quite interesting. You see how low the open world bosses are really tuned and how many people are just using some yolo builds or just AA which, since its open world, is fine. I sometimes do the same in Open Worlds just for fun, but sometimes I think those yolo stuff comes into group content where your build matters and I'd really like the builds from some people who were playing way less than optimal.

  • Katary.7096Katary.7096 Member ✭✭

    @zionophir.6845 said:

    yeah, you show a video of 5 players and seeing a warrior that has a banner and conclude that everyone does the same..

    what a comedian you are. go apply in a comedy bar..

    No, I do not. I am very well aware that countless people in Guild Wars 2 play their characters in a suboptimal way. However one thing I do believe is this: People throwing shade on meta builds while propping up their own creations with nothing but personal experience achieve a remarkable feat of preposterous logic. Even more impressive when they dismiss tools like arcdps because "with the max damage gear, skills and traits you know you are doing max damage". I venture to guess someone like that hasn't even been to the training golem, as the requirement to believing the above statement has to be the ignorance of one's own level of performance as well as the performance ceiling. They cannot come to a correct conclusion since they choose to ponder on a fraction of the relevant information. How can someone like that hope to objectively contribute to a discussion? Perhaps by stating the obvious? After all, a token gesture is better than no gesture at all.
    I have to congratulate you for your ingenuity. Anybody could have answered my question regarding their raid experience but you have gone ahead and made a judgement of my character instead. In that, I hope that I have entertained you as well as your first few posts in this thread have entertained me.

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