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We need Emergency Nerfs

mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited July 12, 2019 in PVP

So the balance patch notes are out. And I like a lot of them. Most of them are necessary. Some of the buffs / reworks sound really cool and fun.

But

We seriously, seriously, seriously, NEED an emergency Chaotic Interruption nerf this coming balance patch. Please, at the very least reduce the Immobilization down to 1s baseline instead of 2s baseline. And just adding 5s to the cooldown of both Mantra of Distraction's ammo recharge and the cooldown on the full mantra. Just quick duration and cooldown changes, no functionality changes, to make the build a bit less oppressive while the balance team works on the next full length balance patch.

Otherwise ranked PvP is going to be Holosmiths vs. Mirages: The Game: The Movie: The Game until the next balance patch three months from now.

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  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Improvisation recharge Daggerstorm 24/7.
    Rampage that barely got a scratch(while being buffed?) still does 9-11k damage while demolisher.
    CI need immobilize removed just as much as this ones

  • At least they nerfed core guard

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2019

    Ele was nerfed was too, reaper was slightly nerfed as well?
    Chrono is stuck in 2012 and cant return anymore.

  • @praqtos.9035 said:
    Ele was nerfed was too, reaper was slightly nerfed as well?
    Chrono is stuck in 2012 and cant return anymore.

    Ele was buffed

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Ganathar.4956Ganathar.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    Ele was nerfed was too, reaper was slightly nerfed as well?
    Chrono is stuck in 2012 and cant return anymore.

    I don't see the ele nerf. Fire weaver got big buffs and support ele got some minor buffs. What got nerfed is staff ele and that is completely worthless in PvP anyway. Staff needs some serious work as a weapon. It was way too reliant on fire skills and fire damage modifiers.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2019

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    Ele was nerfed was too, reaper was slightly nerfed as well?
    Chrono is stuck in 2012 and cant return anymore.

    Ele was buffed

    It was looking like a buff to me as well but from what I have seen in balance thread eles demanded their class to be deleted xD

  • dronte.3416dronte.3416 Member ✭✭

    lol wut

    Chaotic interruption builds have been around for ages and they were never even buffed. After the subsequent nerfs it became a viable build (starting as a meme build)

    there are gonna be much worse builds coming up

  • ZeroTheCat.2684ZeroTheCat.2684 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah CI is not gonna be the problem this patch. Probably its gonna be needed to counter the new OP ele. I see no other class that might do that right now.

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭

    CI needs the nerf. I totally agree.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:
    Yeah CI is not gonna be the problem this patch. Probably its gonna be needed to counter the new OP ele. I see no other class that might do that right now.

    OP ele..... wut? Lolz. 20% CD reduction on fire but with 10%dps loss yeah crazy buff to ele with added strait nerf to ele fire staff.
    Their gonna be a huge problem lol

  • ZhouX.8742ZhouX.8742 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2019

    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

  • ZeroTheCat.2684ZeroTheCat.2684 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:
    Yeah CI is not gonna be the problem this patch. Probably its gonna be needed to counter the new OP ele. I see no other class that might do that right now.

    OP ele..... wut? Lolz. 20% CD reduction on fire but with 10%dps loss yeah crazy buff to ele with added strait nerf to ele fire staff.
    Their gonna be a huge problem lol

    Staff. In pvp? Ok dude.

  • ZeroTheCat.2684ZeroTheCat.2684 Member ✭✭✭

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    It’s called speculating. Which is all we can do at this point. I believe the new king of the hill side noder is going to be weaver. Do you honestly believe Anet looks at these forums to get inspiration for their balance patches?? LoL you are funny dude and truly the clueless one.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:
    Yeah CI is not gonna be the problem this patch. Probably its gonna be needed to counter the new OP ele. I see no other class that might do that right now.

    OP ele..... wut? Lolz. 20% CD reduction on fire but with 10%dps loss yeah crazy buff to ele with added strait nerf to ele fire staff.
    Their gonna be a huge problem lol

    Staff. In pvp? Ok dude.

    The balances effect more than just pvp...dude

  • ZeroTheCat.2684ZeroTheCat.2684 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:
    Yeah CI is not gonna be the problem this patch. Probably its gonna be needed to counter the new OP ele. I see no other class that might do that right now.

    OP ele..... wut? Lolz. 20% CD reduction on fire but with 10%dps loss yeah crazy buff to ele with added strait nerf to ele fire staff.
    Their gonna be a huge problem lol

    Staff. In pvp? Ok dude.

    The balances effect more than just pvp...dude

    This is the pvp part of the forum... dude. Pve-> that way.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2019

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:
    Yeah CI is not gonna be the problem this patch. Probably its gonna be needed to counter the new OP ele. I see no other class that might do that right now.

    OP ele..... wut? Lolz. 20% CD reduction on fire but with 10%dps loss yeah crazy buff to ele with added strait nerf to ele fire staff.
    Their gonna be a huge problem lol

    Staff. In pvp? Ok dude.

    The balances effect more than just pvp...dude

    This is the pvp part of the forum... dude. Pve-> that way.

    Ur making it seem like the ele's got some magical buff that's gonna make them unstoppable lmao,get a clue ... dude and was just using staff as an example that ele didnt just get strait buffs. We'll see how well ele's doin in pvp meta shall we lol. Mvm just saw the ele added balance post that was initially missing, they fidget a decent boost lol

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Bring condition clear. Whatever happened to building for counters?

  • @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    Considering fire Weaver wins most 1v1s before the patch and they got a HUGE buff up primordial stance. They will most likely be the next top dog on the side node.

    The biggest counter to fire weavers were continued power pressure. With revs (and to a lesser extent core guard) getting nerfs, they will be pushed even further into the meta.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2019

    Ele will still be less versatile than holo and spellbreaker. Either bunkery and kind of mobile or bunkery and damage, but slow. But that is a good choice, that's how choosing builds should function.

    Once the stab trait isn't bugged anymore, the Primordial Stance buff will really help too. Not the buffs anyone was asking for, but definitely buffs. The major change is the nerf to other builds though, I am curious about how it works out.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Burn weaver will be the first build that people complain about in a week or two, just wait for it.

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  • ZeroTheCat.2684ZeroTheCat.2684 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2019

    @steki.1478 said:
    Burn weaver will be the first build that people complain about in a week or two, just wait for it.

    Yeah since it probably will be OP I won’t blame them. I guess Anet makes a LOT of money when people re-roll to other classes.

  • steki.1478steki.1478 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:

    @steki.1478 said:
    Burn weaver will be the first build that people complain about in a week or two, just wait for it.

    Yeah since it probably will be OP I won’t blame them. I guess Anet makes a LOT of money when people te-roll to other classes.

    Tbh ele's been a dead class in pvp since mid HoT. They didnt even buff it much, just enough to make it somewhat competitive. Nerfs on other classes is what's making it even better.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2019

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    Considering fire Weaver wins most 1v1s before the patch and they got a HUGE buff up primordial stance. They will most likely be the next top dog on the side node.

    The biggest counter to fire weavers were continued power pressure. With revs (and to a lesser extent core guard) getting nerfs, they will be pushed even further into the meta.

    Good let ele have the lime light for awhile lol they deserve it, been low tiers for yrs. Be nice to see some different classes instead of same ol hand full of meta classes.

  • ZeroTheCat.2684ZeroTheCat.2684 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    Considering fire Weaver wins most 1v1s before the patch and they got a HUGE buff up primordial stance. They will most likely be the next top dog on the side node.

    The biggest counter to fire weavers were continued power pressure. With revs (and to a lesser extent core guard) getting nerfs, they will be pushed even further into the meta.

    Good let ele have the lime light for awhile lol they deserve it, been low tiers for yrs. Be nice to see some different classes instead of same ol hand full of meta classes.

    Or how about making a balanced game instead?

  • McPero.3287McPero.3287 Member ✭✭✭

    @ZeroTheCat.2684 said:

    @steki.1478 said:
    Burn weaver will be the first build that people complain about in a week or two, just wait for it.

    Yeah since it probably will be OP I won’t blame them. I guess Anet makes a LOT of money when people re-roll to other classes.

    Since rerolling costs money how? They are just clueless to what they are doing.

  • SoulSlavocracy.4902SoulSlavocracy.4902 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 13, 2019

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    Considering fire Weaver wins most 1v1s before the patch and they got a HUGE buff up primordial stance. They will most likely be the next top dog on the side node.

    The biggest counter to fire weavers were continued power pressure. With revs (and to a lesser extent core guard) getting nerfs, they will be pushed even further into the meta.

    This. @ZhouX.8742 Kinda ironic to say other people are clueless about PvP when you've obviously never got rekt by a good fire weaver before.

    And it actually doesn't look like staff weaver was even nerfed, upon further inspection. I thought it was at first, too. But a few people did some calculations that seem about right and it looks like if anything staff weaver was very slightly buffed, assuming they maintain 10 might stacks for the +300 power from the fire master trait.

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  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Honestly, I very much doubt fire weaver will make it into the meta. It is too immobile, depends too much on those short fire bursts. Some classes completely shut it down, like FB and an enemy (water) weaver and remain very very vulnerable to +1s because it cannot kite awayproperly. It is like a slow, but tanky burn guard with a little more utility in terms of CC and projectile hate. And yes, a little more cover conditions, but I am very unsure it will be enough.

    It might become situationally great, but sometimes completely useless too. We will see how it works out.

    (Sidenote: I'd like to see the burst of the glyph increased or the CD lowered and not let it recharge while you have those five charges up! That's like mesmer mantras used to be for a time, allowing short intense bursts.)

    Concerning mesmer: Yeah, It's like to see this changed too. The random stun spam is real, but it double painful for eles currently due to the stability trait bug.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SoulSlavocracy.4902 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    Considering fire Weaver wins most 1v1s before the patch and they got a HUGE buff up primordial stance. They will most likely be the next top dog on the side node.

    The biggest counter to fire weavers were continued power pressure. With revs (and to a lesser extent core guard) getting nerfs, they will be pushed even further into the meta.

    This. @ZhouX.8742 Kinda ironic to say other people are clueless about PvP when you've obviously never got rekt by a good fire weaver before.

    And it actually doesn't look like staff weaver was even nerfed, upon further inspection. I thought it was at first, too. But a few people did some calculations that seem about right and it looks like if anything staff weaver was very slightly buffed, assuming they maintain 10 might stacks for the +300 power from the fire master trait.

    Assuming those rekt by the fire weaver ..are good players to start with which as it stands , given ample evidence , are clearly not

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Ganathar.4956Ganathar.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @SoulSlavocracy.4902 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    Considering fire Weaver wins most 1v1s before the patch and they got a HUGE buff up primordial stance. They will most likely be the next top dog on the side node.

    The biggest counter to fire weavers were continued power pressure. With revs (and to a lesser extent core guard) getting nerfs, they will be pushed even further into the meta.

    This. @ZhouX.8742 Kinda ironic to say other people are clueless about PvP when you've obviously never got rekt by a good fire weaver before.

    And it actually doesn't look like staff weaver was even nerfed, upon further inspection. I thought it was at first, too. But a few people did some calculations that seem about right and it looks like if anything staff weaver was very slightly buffed, assuming they maintain 10 might stacks for the +300 power from the fire master trait.

    We were all assuming that staff was nerfed based on how the changes looked in the first day of the preview. Nobody knew power overwhelming would be reworked to give power if you have 10 stacks of might, until the devs posted that they forgot to add that to the notes.

  • Stallic.2397Stallic.2397 Member ✭✭✭

    @ZhouX.8742 said:

    @SoulSlavocracy.4902 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    OP Ele? i can't lol

    This forum is so clueless about actual PvP it's no wonder the balance patches are so horrible

    Please anet, start taking advice only from top players and hire an actual balance team , although it's likely too late at this point.

    Considering fire Weaver wins most 1v1s before the patch and they got a HUGE buff up primordial stance. They will most likely be the next top dog on the side node.

    The biggest counter to fire weavers were continued power pressure. With revs (and to a lesser extent core guard) getting nerfs, they will be pushed even further into the meta.

    This. @ZhouX.8742 Kinda ironic to say other people are clueless about PvP when you've obviously never got rekt by a good fire weaver before.

    And it actually doesn't look like staff weaver was even nerfed, upon further inspection. I thought it was at first, too. But a few people did some calculations that seem about right and it looks like if anything staff weaver was very slightly buffed, assuming they maintain 10 might stacks for the +300 power from the fire master trait.

    Sage weavers are meta basically , you can do FA Weaver but it's for fun essentially... I know plenty of good eles, but that doesn't make the class OP.

    There's a difference between a class performing well for a role and then it being OP in which you literally would never bring anything but Ele because it outperforms everything else - that is OP for it's role... Ele is not in this OP position, Spellbreaker exists and Ele is not even considered the top duelist spec. Is it good? When played right it is very good, but I'd rather have every class be very good when played right than have what we have right now.

    Stop trying to nerf every single little thing because it may perform well for it's role and misusing the word OP and just throwing it around half hazardly.

    This! Let's try not to nerf weaver before the patch comes out.

  • Ah, look at what people are starting to see. My thread about weavers I made a month ago. Let's see what happens the weeks following Tuesday.

  • Razor.6392Razor.6392 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have no idea why primordial stance needed a buff and not unravel or stone stance.

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  • Koen.1327Koen.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    you can just use the new auspicious anguish on mesmer and facetank any CI mirage
    that is if the trait matches the description given on the preview

    the kitten they're doing with mesmer i dunno
    mirage let you dodge while being stunned, now also converts 2 dmg condis if you get stunned
    its almost better to get hit by cc than to dodge it

  • Brother.1504Brother.1504 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    Ele was nerfed was too, reaper was slightly nerfed as well?
    Chrono is stuck in 2012 and cant return anymore.

    Chrono just needs to build up the 1.21 Jigawatts to get back to the future.

  • Bazooka.3590Bazooka.3590 Member ✭✭✭

    Emergency nerf holo and sb plz

  • Mirage is still the most annoying class to fight by far. Its not just the ridiculous CI trait and cc spam, its also having 5 clones/phantasms out at all time. Scepter block makes 2, staff phantasm makes 2 as well. All other weapons make 1?

  • Xstein.2187Xstein.2187 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gundam Style.8495 said:
    Ah, look at what people are starting to see. My thread about weavers I made a month ago. Let's see what happens the weeks following Tuesday.

    Wow, sorry for getting off topic, but sweet name!

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