Joshewwah.2956 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Since the new seal area preparation can seal up to 20 targets, does that mean that thieves will be added in zergs now? Usually zergs like to stack together before they run at the enemy. Now if they afk even for a bit, standing still, it gives time for a thief to run up to them in stealth, place the trap, and then activate it, trapping the zerg in a small space for 8 seconds. 8 seconds is more than enough time for the other zerg to run up to them and destroy them.Perma stealth support thief now meta? Maybe even a deadeye that has the trait that can blind enemies after the marked enemy dies, to make the slaughter more easier?Edit:I found out another cheese idea. Thiefs can now camp outside blue spawn in EBG, trap an unsuspecting player and gank him, all the while they are trapped in the bubble. Most likely they won't have stability to run away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eramonster.2718 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Stealth thief with portal, why not :tongue:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 What r stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffle.3748 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 If stability didn't exist, then maybe.Since it does, you could just walk out of it with little issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshewwah.2956 Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 @Justine.6351 said:What r stability.@Waffle.3748 said:If stability didn't exist, then maybe.Since it does, you could just walk out of it with little issue.I guess you could place it somewhere strategically, and then when the spellbreaker and scourge has boonstripped you can activate it to deal the final blow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @Joshewwah.2956 said:@Justine.6351 said:What r stability.@Waffle.3748 said:If stability didn't exist, then maybe.Since it does, you could just walk out of it with little issue.I guess you could place it somewhere strategically, and then when the spellbreaker and scourge has boonstripped you can activate it to deal the final blowIt might be more useful to force stability cooldowns idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I don't think having stability will make mass zerg CC area denial useless. It might be on cooldown, or it might not be evenly spread through the zerg, or it might not be a well organized guild, or by forcing the zerg to use stability you open them up to successive CC. There's a lot of power behind Seal Area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @"Joshewwah.2956" said:Edit:I found out another cheese idea. Thiefs can now camp outside blue spawn in EBG, trap an unsuspecting player and gank him, all the while they are trapped in the bubble. Most likely they won't have stability to run away.This seems to imply you couldnt do this before using condi traps to completely immobilize people...Also we already had a similar "lockdown class" at 1200 range on class that can even support the zerg a little - dragonhunter. Zerg still dont want them even as backliners. IMO thief could be patched to literally replace firebrands as far superior frontline support while also having better AoE and barriers than a scourge and they still would be shunned by the zerg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 try it. =) be a nomads theif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 watch the zerg chase u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enkidu.5937 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @Dawdler.8521 said:IMO thief could be patched to literally replace firebrands as far superior frontline support while also having better AoE and barriers than a scourge and they still would be shunned by the zerg.Don't u dare, heretic!vaabi.org tells us theef . . . is . . . not . . . viable . . . in . . . zerg . . . exclamation mark :# @"Sovereign.1093" said: watch the zerg chase uImagine a thief now trapping all those ducks in a nasty shadow bubble :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steki.1478 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 If you need to walk up to enemies in stealth (which you grant to yourself) only to place an aoe CC (which doesn't require any buffs) then you can do those outside of the squad anyway.While ranger and thief got some kind of buffs this patch, they arent any more viable for squad spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @"steki.1478" said:While ranger and thief got some kind of buffs this patch, they arent any more viable for squad spot. Ranger buffs? wait what?It lost it's unblockable......(im not main ranger though)Although after a few fights today, i wonder why Rev "Phase Traversal" has 5secs of unblockable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @enkidu.5937 said:@Dawdler.8521 said:IMO thief could be patched to literally replace firebrands as far superior frontline support while also having better AoE and barriers than a scourge and they still would be shunned by the zerg.Don't u dare, heretic!vaabi.org tells us theef . . . is . . . not . . . viable . . . in . . . zerg . . . exclamation mark :# @"Sovereign.1093" said: watch the zerg chase uImagine a thief now trapping all those ducks in a nasty shadow bubble :3 haha it should be funny. ppl won't stab if they don't see it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steki.1478 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @Sleepwalker.1398 said:@"steki.1478" said:While ranger and thief got some kind of buffs this patch, they arent any more viable for squad spot. Ranger buffs? wait what?It lost it's unblockable......(im not main ranger though)Although after a few fights today, i wonder why Rev "Phase Traversal" has 5secs of unblockable.Barrage hits harder and has lower cooldown. They still have some unblockables, but it's a lot less common than it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectrito.8513 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Maybe if a thief ports with a stealthed spellbreaker casting WoD but it needs a really good coordination and with the current lag issues i dont see it happening on large fights, maybe on GvG's but im not sure. I think its just easier to pick a meta build and spam aoe buttons which works wonderfully even when lagging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klypto.1703 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Throw supply at the thief and your thief worries are all solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick.8967 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 As usual, thief given an OP skill. 20 targets? Most other skills in game are 5 or 10, or on a pulse so an entire zerg can run through and 3 people are hit. EIGHT seconds? That's crazy too, way too long. I guess we'll have to wait for the nerf bat in a few months time, until then it's get trapped in a bubble with stab on cooldown and watch all those condis be piled on you until you kiss the floor (a bit like now but without being able to escape at all..) after blowing all your condi cleanses and having all of them instantly re applied and ticking for 5k a tick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @steki.1478 said:@Sleepwalker.1398 said:@steki.1478 said:While ranger and thief got some kind of buffs this patch, they arent any more viable for squad spot. Ranger buffs? wait what?It lost it's unblockable......(im not main ranger though)Although after a few fights today, i wonder why Rev "Phase Traversal" has 5secs of unblockable.Barrage hits harder and has lower cooldown. They still have some unblockables, but it's a lot less common than it used to be.Barrage - Lower cooldown yes but i don't think enemy is going to sit in that barrage circle and take those all 12 hits.Well then again, this is wvw and weird things do happen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverence.6915 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 We tested this tonight. Not a great use of a class slot if you're zerg busting or fighting outnumbered tbh. It requires way too much setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoV.5139 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @Sleepwalker.1398 said:@steki.1478 said:@Sleepwalker.1398 said:@steki.1478 said:While ranger and thief got some kind of buffs this patch, they arent any more viable for squad spot. Ranger buffs? wait what?It lost it's unblockable......(im not main ranger though)Although after a few fights today, i wonder why Rev "Phase Traversal" has 5secs of unblockable.Barrage hits harder and has lower cooldown. They still have some unblockables, but it's a lot less common than it used to be.Barrage - Lower cooldown yes but i don't think enemy is going to sit in that barrage circle and take those all 12 hits.Well then again, this is wvw and weird things do happen here.Decent sustain comp (most zergs) will, and watch rangers keel over from retal/reflect damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @"Sleepwalker.1398" said:Although after a few fights today, i wonder why Rev "Phase Traversal" has 5secs of unblockable.Because Phase Traversal costs 30 energy to use. How much DPS potential did a Ranger lose by activating their unblockable?And then there is the whole "unblockable from 1500, 1800 units away (or even the neighbouring map, depending on who you ask) thing". Not quite apples to apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 @Sleepwalker.1398 said:@"steki.1478" said:While ranger and thief got some kind of buffs this patch, they arent any more viable for squad spot. Ranger buffs? wait what?It lost it's unblockable......(im not main ranger though)Although after a few fights today, i wonder why Rev "Phase Traversal" has 5secs of unblockable.Rev unblockables only last for a couple hits and then done. Welcome to balance soulbeasts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayowin.9217 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Every WoD Spellbreaker will come with a thief tied to their hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspirine.6852 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 You cannot interrupt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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