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[PvE] Power Mesmer DPS - Unlisted Benchmarks

Noodle Ant.1605Noodle Ant.1605 Member ✭✭✭
edited March 12, 2020 in Mesmer

Updated for the February 25 patch.

Context:

I've been closely following the different variations of power mes ever since the phantasm rework, initially playing an izerker army chrono build (now formally known as domi dps chrono). Whilst core mes and mirage variants have been left relatively the same since that update, chrono on the other hand has seen a range of different changes, some notable ones being the inclusion of illusions in Danger Time, the Csplit - SoE 'fix' and now, the chrono 'trade off' update. As the devs continue to change and mold the game in whatever way they see fit, I thought it would be appropriate to review and actually show some form of performance #s of power mes variants which are not benched, seeing that I can't find them anywhere.

Disclaimer: I am unable to do proper benchmarks myself, meaning that many of these numbers are made from a series of tests, calculations and projections (indicated by ~). My own actual benches are usually only ~75-85% of the numbers shown, mostly due to ping (300 ms) and/or not having the perfect rotation nailed down yet.

Current numbers (February 25, 2020):

  • DT domi dps pchrono: 40.8k (focus) / 38.8k (gs)
  • DT illu dps pchrono: ~35k
  • IA/IR domi dps pchrono: ~32k
  • IA/IR illu dps pchrono: ~28-29k
  • Core pmes: ~29k
  • pMirage: ~24-25k

Notes:
The introduction of Vicious Expression meant that most Domi builds saw a notable boost in dps. Additionally, even though Vicious Expression was nerfed from 25% to 15%, there was an unlisted restoration of an unlisted 15% bonus dmg for 2/3 clone Mind Wrack/Split Second (which can actually be seen on the tooltip now), meaning the nerf was less heavy-handed, and all power builds enjoyed an additional slight increase in dps.

Changes to GS means that it unfortunately now has a similar interaction where GS is to mesmer as LB is to ranger (a weaker, ranged option that shines better in competitive gamemodes). Also, since DT Illu was neglected in favor for the more dominant Domi build, it means that I now keep tabs on it as well.

FAQs:

What in the world is DT/IA/IR?!?!

DT refers to Danger Time, a trait which grants +10% dmg on crit and +15% crit chance on slowed opponents. Together, it is an overall 20% dmg increase. IA refers to Improved Alacrity whereas IR refers to Illusionary Reversion, which both increase dps by a similar amount (i.e. not much). IMO, it is important to list both DT and IA/IR variants as perma slow uptime is unrealistic anywhere outside optimised raids (which does not determine the entirety of PvE).

Is (power) mesmer viable for raids?

Yes, use the DT Domi variant, but you always need to ask beforehand if your squad can supply slow. If they cannot, you should consider taking another class.

Is (power) mesmer viable for fractals?

The 40k DT Domi pChrono does not work in fractals, because there is no perma-slow environment for DT to work in. The mesmer's dps thus falls back to ~32k, which is less than many of the other classes along with a slower burst, hence why people advise against taking mesmer in fractals. However, average T4 pug dps is so low that it is easy to outdps other DPS as long as the mesmer player knows how to play their class, especially when using specialised builds in certain conditions (IR Illu when boons are lacking). Skilled mesmers can extend their usefulness by employing skips/pulls where possible. Tl;dr: Mesmer is viable, just not optimal.

What build should I use (and when/where)?

To be answered, when I feel like it.

Historic benches:

October 1, 2019 + December 3, 2019:

  • DT domi dps pchrono: 37.6k (was not buffed, a slightly better rotation was found)
  • DT illu dps pchrono: 34.3k
  • IA domi dps pchrono: ~29-30k
  • IA/IR illu dps pchrono: ~28k
  • Core pmes: ~26k (actually slightly higher, discovered a 'freeshatter' rotation but didn't record it)
  • pMirage: ~23k

July 15, 2019:

  • DT domi dps pchrono: 36.4k
  • DT illu dps pchrono: 34.3k
  • IA domi dps pchrono: ~29-30k
  • IA/IR illu dps pchrono: ~28k
  • Core pmes: ~26k
  • pMirage: ~23k

April 23, 2019:

  • DT domi dps pchrono: 37.8k
  • DT illu dps pchrono: 35k
  • IA domi dps pchrono: ~32k
  • IA illu dps pchrono: ~30-31k
  • Core pmes: ~27k
  • pMirage: ~22k

P. S. I would appreciate it if someone could actually do proper benchmarks and confirm or debunk (hopefully positively!) these numbers.

pChrono (main), cWeaver and pReaper. An asura who likes snowflakes.

Comments

  • NICENIKESHOE.7128NICENIKESHOE.7128 Member ✭✭✭

    Raid chrono can still play roughly 37k, curious now with GS or mirror images given that 1 clone can barely get anything done now.
    ...
    Well...its always like that anyway so not much change
    Funny enough to see GS in raid really, I wonder how many times I'll get kick for using this rotation :P

    [RED] Crimson Sunspears...your small family guild since 2015.

  • Noodle Ant.1605Noodle Ant.1605 Member ✭✭✭

    @NICENIKESHOE.7128 said:
    Raid chrono can still play roughly 37k, curious now with GS or mirror images given that 1 clone can barely get anything done now.
    ...
    Well...its always like that anyway so not much change
    Funny enough to see GS in raid really, I wonder how many times I'll get kick for using this rotation :P

    I’m more than aware about how raid power chrono is still very much viable, and already listed similarly high predicted numbers for DT domi/illu dps chrono. These builds are done on ideal conditions - 100% slow uptime, only reliably maintainable in raids.

    You really don’t need to look much farther - outside of raids, when your group size is cut from 10 down to 5, your slow uptime becomes horribly unreliable, especially as 2 out of 4 of your remaining group members are likely gonna be fb + ren instead of chrono. You’re then relying on a condi rev to appear, which is already quite rare, and even then, the condi rev isn’t too focused on applying slow for you anyway (phases are great).

    This means power chronos NOT IN RAIDS have basically the same power or run the same builds as the weaker variants, which is obviously quite lower.

    Although I mostly play with IA stats (wayyyyy more assassins gear), I do try to abuse the bustedness of Danger Time whenever possible (like on open world bosses), but there have many instances where I’ve run DT and not seen a single second of slow (apart from my own from F3), technically making me even weaker then the IA/IR variants.

    I suppose what’s really irking me right now is Anet’s decision to nerf underperforming builds, while leaving the clearly higher ones mostly untouched (like, either nerf the higher one or nerf ‘em all :cry:).

    pChrono (main), cWeaver and pReaper. An asura who likes snowflakes.

  • Noodle Ant.1605Noodle Ant.1605 Member ✭✭✭

    Updated initial post for the October 1 2019 patch.

    pChrono (main), cWeaver and pReaper. An asura who likes snowflakes.

  • Noodle Ant.1605Noodle Ant.1605 Member ✭✭✭

    Updated initial post for the February 25 2020 patch.

    DT pChrono:
    With Vicious Expression, pChrono is now able to break 40k (again). Changes to GS means that running focus is now always more optimal, and Domi should pretty much always be taken over Illu.

    IA/IR pChrono (‘no-slow chrono’):
    The no-slow Domi build got a nice boost with the recent patch, but no-slow chrono in general still remains at the lower end of the dps spectrum.

    Core pMes:
    The change from Mental Anguish to Vicious Expression means that core mesmer got an increase to dps as well as reliability. However, the restoration of the 15% dmg bonus for 2/3 Mind Wrack means that core mesmer and mirage should not 'freeshatter' anymore, limiting the dps increase from this bonus.

    pMirage:
    I bench this as a joke.

    pChrono (main), cWeaver and pReaper. An asura who likes snowflakes.

  • Heika.5403Heika.5403 Member ✭✭

    So basically they converted Chrono in a boring raid specialization, useless in pvp/WvW, deleted the Mirage everywhere and with the core mesmer in the middle of nowhere. Nice picture of where we are now.