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Chaotic Interruption Temporarily Disabled in PvP

shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

@Irenio CalmonHuang.2048 said:

Good day, all,

We've been listening to your feedback following the previous balance update, and we heard about issues around the mirage's Chaotic Interruption (CI) playstyle in PvP—in particular its lack of counterplay and present dominance. We agree that this is an issue, and that it's creating degenerate play and negatively affecting PvP.

We've been discussing changes to it, and this is not something that can be addressed well via a hotfix or as part of our short-term release. Changes are going to take some time before they are ready because they involve multiple traits and affect different game modes. Our current estimation is that the complete changes will be ready for the next balance update.

We don't want to leave the situation in PvP as it is, so we've made the decision to disable the CI trait only in PvP until the fix is ready.

Thanks for your understanding and patience as we prepare the changes. Again, they will take a bit of time, and we wanted to communicate our reasoning clearly.

Sincerely,
The GW2 Systems Team

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Comments

  • DigiQWill.6378DigiQWill.6378 Member ✭✭✭

    To be honest to you @sephiroth.4217 , CI was always a problematic trait. Disabling it isn't "bad" in itself. It was a trait that was too good for its tradeoffs - no real loss on boons while basically stunning your foe (daze + immobilization basically acting like a stun).

    What ANet is saying here, and I think a lot of people missed it, is that they are REWORKING Mesmer's traitlines, and even if I am not overly hyped ( because I mean... ANet and balance never rhymes ) I am happy to see changes to Mesmer overall, one of the most stagnant classes overall ( always keeping Duelling, for example).

  • Tycura.1982Tycura.1982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    I think if they just took the immobilize off it should be fine. A daze with immobilize is a stun with less counterplay.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Condi Mirage will find a way. It always finds a way.

    Thief will be there, in the way.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    So when does this disabling of CI take effect? Is it already in place?

    EDIT - what's the next broken build to play? I need that brokenness to feel alive. Enlighten me. Dazzle me with brilliance!

  • bravan.3876bravan.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @DigiQWill.6378 said:
    To be honest to you @sephiroth.4217 , CI was always a problematic trait. Disabling it isn't "bad" in itself. It was a trait that was too good for its tradeoffs - no real loss on boons while basically stunning your foe (daze + immobilization basically acting like a stun).

    What ANet is saying here, and I think a lot of people missed it, is that they are REWORKING Mesmer's traitlines, and even if I am not overly hyped ( because I mean... ANet and balance never rhymes ) I am happy to see changes to Mesmer overall, one of the most stagnant classes overall ( always keeping Duelling, for example).

    I just adapted... dropped a damage utility for a stab or condi removal.. maybe changed a few traits and CI at best was laughable.

    This is a handout to everyone who refused to adapt in my eyes.

    Isn't IH the reason why the trait is "overperforming"?

    No the trait is overperforming because it turns Mantra of Distraction into an instant lock down what should not exist in general. But because Mantra needs to be instant to not be completely useless as an interrupt tool (and is not op when only dazes) you have to balance interrupt traits around the interrupt tool, means you need to make sure that Mantra cannot be combined with hard cc like stun, knockback etc. and immob. IH has nothing to do with CI. IH is not even the problem why Condimirage as a build is overperforming, the condi clone autoattacks and clone ambush attacks (scepter, staff, axe) are overperforming not IH or DE.

    Still this is a bad way again, is it too hard to just remove the immob until it get fully reworked, that a Mesmer still gets the other trait-rewards for interrupting? And not just delete the whole trait what a lot of ppl maybe don't even know when not reading forums?

    "playing revenant is borderline exploiting" - up condimirage 2k18

  • Crius.5487Crius.5487 Member ✭✭✭

    Just add a 10 second internal cooldown to the trait for PvP, no need to disable the entire thing.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @sephiroth.4217

    Stability gets ripped by Arcane Thievery or Sigil of Annulment on weapon swap. These two abilities can be used roughly every 20 seconds, much lower than the cooldowns for most stability skills. In other words, every time you pop stab, the mesmer can strip it.

    Assuming the mesmer is refusing to switch weapons and specifically waits for a stab to rip... of which you can reapply anyway.

    Like I said, its a handout in my eyes to those who don't like changing thier builds to adapt. Just my opinion.

    Anyway... most people are about to find out theres something much more annoying and stronger than CI there.

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  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @sephiroth.4217

    Stability gets ripped by Arcane Thievery or Sigil of Annulment on weapon swap. These two abilities can be used roughly every 20 seconds, much lower than the cooldowns for most stability skills. In other words, every time you pop stab, the mesmer can strip it.

    Assuming the mesmer is refusing to switch weapons and specifically waits for a stab to rip... of which you can reapply anyway.

    Like I said, its a handout in my eyes to those who don't like changing thier builds to adapt. Just my opinion.

    Anyway... most people are about to find out theres something much more annoying and stronger than CI there.

    All classes get nerfs. And now the shoe is on the other foot.
    Is it hypocritical for mesmer mains to chant for nerfs for other classes? Especially when those other classes don't have something 'more annoying' and 'stronger' than CI to replace it with? I don't know and I'm not saying it is. But I do wonder.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • iKeostuKen.2738iKeostuKen.2738 Member ✭✭✭

    Hasnt this trait been ingame for years?

    I used to main daze mesmer and CI didnt seem to do much of anything since everything had access to Stability... which is even worse now these days.

  • Less Mirage, less Plasma ... oh no 😭

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @sephiroth.4217

    Stability gets ripped by Arcane Thievery or Sigil of Annulment on weapon swap. These two abilities can be used roughly every 20 seconds, much lower than the cooldowns for most stability skills. In other words, every time you pop stab, the mesmer can strip it.

    Assuming the mesmer is refusing to switch weapons and specifically waits for a stab to rip... of which you can reapply anyway.

    Like I said, its a handout in my eyes to those who don't like changing thier builds to adapt. Just my opinion.

    Anyway... most people are about to find out theres something much more annoying and stronger than CI there.

    All classes get nerfs. And now the shoe is on the other foot.
    Is it hypocritical for mesmer mains to chant for nerfs for other classes? Especially when those other classes don't have something 'more annoying' and 'stronger' than CI to replace it with? I don't know and I'm not saying it is. But I do wonder.

    I main DD Tempest. I think im being unbias about it but I could be wrong.

    But what evs... my DD tempest after a trait change was handling it ok so my opinion won't change.

    So now im laughing because a DD temp has bested all of you. Never woulda thought Id see the day again but hey, here we are.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
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  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    leave CI as it is and disable infinite horizons, and you actually fix the whole mirage problem

  • EnderzShadow.2506EnderzShadow.2506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @sephiroth.4217

    Stability gets ripped by Arcane Thievery or Sigil of Annulment on weapon swap. These two abilities can be used roughly every 20 seconds, much lower than the cooldowns for most stability skills. In other words, every time you pop stab, the mesmer can strip it.

    Assuming the mesmer is refusing to switch weapons and specifically waits for a stab to rip... of which you can reapply anyway.

    Like I said, its a handout in my eyes to those who don't like changing thier builds to adapt. Just my opinion.

    Anyway... most people are about to find out theres something much more annoying and stronger than CI there.

    All classes get nerfs. And now the shoe is on the other foot.
    Is it hypocritical for mesmer mains to chant for nerfs for other classes? Especially when those other classes don't have something 'more annoying' and 'stronger' than CI to replace it with? I don't know and I'm not saying it is. But I do wonder.

    I main DD Tempest. I think im being unbias about it but I could be wrong.

    But what evs... my DD tempest after a trait change was handling it ok so my opinion still doesn't change.

    So now im laughing because a DD temp has bested all of you. Never woulda thought Id see the day but hey here we are.

    I didn't say biased, I said hypocritical. It wasn't aimed at you directly, but rather at the very vocal minority that rarely plays.

    Your point would hold up if only DD eles and mesmers were the only two playable classes in PvP.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @XECOR.2814 said:
    All plebs assembled in this thread to protecc their lame build. No matter if its on core or mirage, it is unfun. Good riddance.

    we dont assemble becouse we think CI was fine, we assemble becouse we sure as hell know they wont stop complainingm. CI is gone gr8 now they will try to get something
    else removed, and on and on it goes, CI was unfun, now play against 2 condi thiefs, 3 holols and ocasional warrior. have fun getting hit for 8k from stealth with aoe stun on immortal class. have fun dealing with rampaging warriors hitting for 6k+ with literarly everything.

  • XECOR.2814XECOR.2814 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @XECOR.2814 said:
    All plebs assembled in this thread to protecc their lame build. No matter if its on core or mirage, it is unfun. Good riddance.

    we dont assemble becouse we think CI was fine, we assemble becouse we sure as hell know they wont stop complainingm. CI is gone gr8 now they will try to get something
    else removed, and on and on it goes, CI was unfun, now play against 2 condi thiefs, 3 holols and ocasional warrior. have fun getting hit for 8k from stealth with aoe stun on immortal class. have fun dealing with rampaging warriors hitting for 6k+ with literarly everything.

    Good, things are getting fixed one at a time. Better than never getting fixed. Btw ci mesmers were the most obnoxious thing in current meta. More so than rampage or condi thief. Now that its gone, other things can get addressed. Also warrior damage is ok for its kit, only rampage needs nerf. Aside from rampage, holo sustain and slightly annoying condi thief pvp seems balanced rn.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @XECOR.2814 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @XECOR.2814 said:
    All plebs assembled in this thread to protecc their lame build. No matter if its on core or mirage, it is unfun. Good riddance.

    we dont assemble becouse we think CI was fine, we assemble becouse we sure as hell know they wont stop complainingm. CI is gone gr8 now they will try to get something
    else removed, and on and on it goes, CI was unfun, now play against 2 condi thiefs, 3 holols and ocasional warrior. have fun getting hit for 8k from stealth with aoe stun on immortal class. have fun dealing with rampaging warriors hitting for 6k+ with literarly everything.

    Good, things are getting fixed one at a time. Better than never getting fixed. Btw ci mesmers were the most obnoxious thing in current meta. More so than rampage or condi thief. Now that its gone, other things can get addressed. Also warrior damage is ok for its kit, only rampage needs nerf. Aside from rampage, holo sustain and slightly annoying condi thief pvp seems balanced rn.

    nothing got fixed, instead of fixing CI they removed it from the game. you said rampage needs nerf, kitten it lets remove it from the game. not its fixed.
    as if putting 8s internal CD as a hotfix was a such a problem, now you will have CI mirages that just play for fun and dont read forums run around with trait that doesnt work for months, not to mention its one of the only grandmaster apart from IH that actually made a difference in how you play.

  • @Lincolnbeard.1735 said:
    We did it boys! One more mesmer traitline is useless now.
    Mirage - 1 good trait (smack the forums with IH complains now)
    Chrono - dead lul
    Chaos - PU (useless in pvp anyway)
    Dueling - 1 good trait (after IH we will come for deceptive evasion)
    Illusion - 1 good trait
    Inspi - meme traitline
    Dom - 2 or 3 good traits (power mesmer is awful so no worries)

    We're getting there!

    thats good.
    and next please " kill " holos and spellbreakers so we can play what we want :-D

  • Dreddo.9865Dreddo.9865 Member ✭✭✭

    It was so obvious for months but they chose that (late) moment to 'correct it' - I mean how many more seasons with meme mirage tricks can this community stand? If there's still any playing cause I am sure new people trying to get into PvP and getting trolled by 'such mechanics' are quitting the mode and never look back.

    Devs have to understand gw2 shouldn't be counter-strike - we don't need a game with ...headshots. The power-creep was a mistake and has to go. Balance still needs some hard work (holo , Soulbeast) and above all there should be direct counters to any class. Plus the gap between most core professions to PoF ones must close.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Isn't the real issue just the daze on sword ambush skill? Replace the daze by a flood of vulnerability (you know something that sword does) and CI automatically become balanced again without change on it. Why would you answer mirage balance issue by nerfing core? Ambush skills are the source of powercreep, why would you ever change everything around to balance them knowing that they are the issue? It's just gonna make core weaker while still keeping the mirage powercreep... Stop the balancing insanity, just nerf the "newly introduced" powercreep and leave the old balanced stuff alone.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    Isn't the real issue just the daze on sword ambush skill? Replace the daze by a flood of vulnerability (you know something that sword does) and CI automatically become balanced again without change on it. Why would you answer mirage balance issue by nerfing core? Ambush skills are the source of powercreep, why would you ever change everything around to balance them knowing that they are the issue? It's just gonna make core weaker while still keeping the mirage powercreep... Stop the balancing insanity, just nerf the "newly introduced" powercreep and leave the old balanced stuff alone.

    sword ambush is fine, its ment as a mobility tool, it has freaking 1/4s daze, if you make it do butload of vuln suddenly " omg 1shot mirage nerf"
    what instead should have happened, chaos storm shouldnt randomly daze is 1 CI should have internal cooldown is 2.
    in fact, nerfing ambush sword would nerf power mirage, thats kinda in a kitten spot already, they wouldnt be able to apply power block due to missing it :/
    then again its avoiding the problem and instead of nerfing random things untill community stops whining ( they wont ) they should nerf mirage and buff core.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @EnderzShadow.2506 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    @sephiroth.4217

    Stability gets ripped by Arcane Thievery or Sigil of Annulment on weapon swap. These two abilities can be used roughly every 20 seconds, much lower than the cooldowns for most stability skills. In other words, every time you pop stab, the mesmer can strip it.

    Assuming the mesmer is refusing to switch weapons and specifically waits for a stab to rip... of which you can reapply anyway.

    Like I said, its a handout in my eyes to those who don't like changing thier builds to adapt. Just my opinion.

    Anyway... most people are about to find out theres something much more annoying and stronger than CI there.

    All classes get nerfs. And now the shoe is on the other foot.
    Is it hypocritical for mesmer mains to chant for nerfs for other classes? Especially when those other classes don't have something 'more annoying' and 'stronger' than CI to replace it with? I don't know and I'm not saying it is. But I do wonder.

    I main DD Tempest. I think im being unbias about it but I could be wrong.

    But what evs... my DD tempest after a trait change was handling it ok so my opinion still doesn't change.

    So now im laughing because a DD temp has bested all of you. Never woulda thought Id see the day but hey here we are.

    I didn't say biased, I said hypocritical. It wasn't aimed at you directly, but rather at the very vocal minority that rarely plays.

    Your point would hold up if only DD eles and mesmers were the only two playable classes in PvP.

    Ah your use of words had me believing you thought I was Mes main.

    The point about DD Temp is that its largely considered useless. CI has little effect on DD Temp with the right build and all it took was a sigil and trait change.

    I may be wrong... but I predict core mes will be complained about next.

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  • lovemghool.7613lovemghool.7613 Member ✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    and now we can play power mirage spellbreaker holosmith and necro in peace

    ahh this will be even without CI a cc circus

    it doesnt matter if its mirage or chrono and core mesmer, the amount of cc is available to the core class itself is too much with little cooldown oh and its duration is too long

    Mirage isnt dead as long as infinite horizon deceptive evasion and mirage clock and ambush skills are interacting as they do now. power or condi the golden combination is still there. this kitten is manageable in wvw where you dont have to sit like a wood log and take it in the face from all the clones and the mesmer like in pvp capture nodes

    well welcome back power block with sword clones all leaping on your behind. enjoy your cooldowns unless you are a thief

    E v e r y t h i n g I n P v P I s B r o k e n

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    Isn't the real issue just the daze on sword ambush skill? Replace the daze by a flood of vulnerability (you know something that sword does) and CI automatically become balanced again without change on it. Why would you answer mirage balance issue by nerfing core? Ambush skills are the source of powercreep, why would you ever change everything around to balance them knowing that they are the issue? It's just gonna make core weaker while still keeping the mirage powercreep... Stop the balancing insanity, just nerf the "newly introduced" powercreep and leave the old balanced stuff alone.

    The build in question didn't even use sword

    So globally people cry about something that was long in the game and feel OP all of a sudden, it's a lot like the epidemic nerf. That said, not using sword ambush with this trait feel like a waste. Maybe players just aren't as good as they think they are and they should work a bit on their build like sephiroth suggested with reason.

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Condi Mirage will find a way. It always finds a way.

    Thief will be there, in the way.

    Getting rofl stomped.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭

    MoD + CI is a combo from 2015 lol

  • We've been listening to your feedback following the previous balance update, and we heard about issues around the mirage's Chaotic Interruption (CI) playstyle in PvP—in particular its lack of counterplay and present dominance. We agree that this is an issue, and that it's creating degenerate play and negatively affecting PvP.

    No counter play ? You allow snipers to kill anybody while never being visible or findable. You also allow no counter play finishers. Counter play, lmao as they say.
    That said, the trait is obviously a bit weird. A "random" idea for this trait : immobilization + boon corrupt or boon steal (2nd is random, this is chaos after all)

  • Bazooka.3590Bazooka.3590 Member ✭✭✭

    @Irenio CalmonHuang.2048
    Thank you for communicate your reasoning. We appreciate it but next time could you use something else than disabling skills and traits?
    I don't know maybe hire a pvp balance team/game designers and run beta servers to test out changes etc... just some ideas. no offense.

  • Fashion Mage.3712Fashion Mage.3712 Member ✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:
    CI may have been available for years but that doesn't mean it wasn't broken. Personally, didn't touch it; won't miss it. Just glad this FOTM didn't linger as long as others. Can people leave Mes alone now?

    Yes hopefully people just won't touch the class anymore, while they're at it I think they should just disable the whole class to essentially delete it. That'll teach those mesmer players. /s

  • toxic.3648toxic.3648 Member ✭✭✭

    @sephiroth.4217 said:
    I main DD Tempest. I think im being unbias about it but I could be wrong.

    But what evs... my DD tempest after a trait change was handling it ok so my opinion won't change.

    So now im laughing because a DD temp has bested all of you. Never woulda thought Id see the day again but hey, here we are.

    well tempest is one of the few classes that can completely ignore CI mirage since diamond skin is a thing+ cleanse on aura's.
    i do agree tho that the mesmer CI build wasnt rly that big of a deal, looking from a holo perspective (dont know how much that say since holo is overperforming more than mesmer imo)

    Toxicity Pengu to the rescue /o/

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:
    CI may have been available for years but that doesn't mean it wasn't broken. Personally, didn't touch it; won't miss it. Just glad this FOTM didn't linger as long as others. Can people leave Mes alone now?

    no, now they wanna nerf Infinite Horizon,
    https://imgur.com/a/eTMqrlA

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭

    They should have waited till the end of the season so i me and the rest of the casual noobs could have gotten another pvp title that we don't deserve :angry:

    Cater to the plebs.

  • I mean, lol

    Cheeekyla

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2019

    @toxic.3648 said:

    @sephiroth.4217 said:
    I main DD Tempest. I think im being unbias about it but I could be wrong.

    But what evs... my DD tempest after a trait change was handling it ok so my opinion won't change.

    So now im laughing because a DD temp has bested all of you. Never woulda thought Id see the day again but hey, here we are.

    well tempest is one of the few classes that can completely ignore CI mirage since diamond skin is a thing+ cleanse on aura's.
    i do agree tho that the mesmer CI build wasnt rly that big of a deal, looking from a holo perspective (dont know how much that say since holo is overperforming more than mesmer imo)

    And because of that, Tempest had finally become a bit more useful, auras became a little more unique.

    Shame really, there could have been a complete meta shift.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
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  • flog.3485flog.3485 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    Isn't the real issue just the daze on sword ambush skill? Replace the daze by a flood of vulnerability (you know something that sword does) and CI automatically become balanced again without change on it. Why would you answer mirage balance issue by nerfing core? Ambush skills are the source of powercreep, why would you ever change everything around to balance them knowing that they are the issue? It's just gonna make core weaker while still keeping the mirage powercreep... Stop the balancing insanity, just nerf the "newly introduced" powercreep and leave the old balanced stuff alone.

    The build in question didn't even use sword

    So globally people cry about something that was long in the game and feel OP all of a sudden, it's a lot like the epidemic nerf. That said, not using sword ambush with this trait feel like a waste. Maybe players just aren't as good as they think they are and they should work a bit on their build like sephiroth suggested with reason.

    Let’s be real for a second here. The only reason people never took chaotic interruption before is because bountiful disillusionment was way better. And it became really worthwhile to take it only once IP became baseline.

    Other than that the only reason CI suddenly became strong and really valuable is because mirage makes it possible to cast the mantras and evade at the same time.

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