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With Alliances reducing the number servers overall in WvW how about making EoTM into an Alt EBG

Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

With Alliances reducing the number servers overall in WvW we can expect more queues and stuff, which would lead to us having plenty of people for another map. Thats were EOTM come in. It was originally meant for this role, but I propose a new EOTM that mixes a bit of the current design with Boarderland map design and have it as a forth map, to also be some what of an alternative to EBG which would reward pip just like any other WvW map.

the old EoTM map can be used for something else in the future. But I believe this would be a great addition to Alliances going forward.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    With Alliances reducing the number servers overall in WvW we can expect more queues and stuff, which would lead to us having plenty of people for another map. Thats were EOTM come in. It was originally meant for this role, but I propose a new EOTM that mixes a bit of the current design with Boarderland map design and have it as a forth map, to also be some what of an alternative to EBG which would reward pip just like any other WvW map.

    the old EoTM map can be used for something else in the future. But I believe this would be a great addition to Alliances going forward.

    i approve

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's been new information posted about alliances increasing the number of players per generated world and lowering the tier count? Cool. Where's the source?

    Because otherwise this topic is bunk. Worlds can have the same average population as they have now, on exactly as many tiers, with the same queues. Or more. Or less. It would all depend on their target population numbers when generating the worlds.

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  • EotM is just a garbage of a map so iterating it into something decent would likely take more time than building something from scratch, but they could make new maps. It's not like it's hard or that the winning formula isn't already there.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You can play EOTM. Nothing is stopping people from playing it.

    Go have at it.

    The only reason people won’t play it is the rewards? Hmmm... that’s interesting as for the first few years, WvW cost more to play then you received. People played it because they enjoyed it.

    EoTM is not an enjoyable map. If it takes rewards to draw you there, then it needs nothing more done to it.

  • Grim West.3194Grim West.3194 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2019

    At this point anything to mix it up would be good. Even using EOTM as an occasional EGB.

    The game mode is stale and losing players. Alliances (2099?) will help but WvW needs more than that to survive. And new WvW maps take a ton of resources that ANET isn't willing to use. EOTM has already been created, make use of it. Keep doing the events, keep coming up with ways to change the game mode temporarily. DO SOMETHING.

    I know a lot of veterans hate change. But look at what's happened with no change. Yeah that's right. It sucks.

  • Why do you even want alliances? Players abuse this mode now with frequent transfers stacking then abandoning creating temp powerhouses then empty graveyard servers. What do you think will happen when you give players even more control? That 1st alliance will be so effin stacked with guilds and have perfect timezone coverage. The next couple will be decent then any other alliance after that will just be kitten. Yeah looking forward to that mess and that mess is probably years away.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    we just need server wipeouts as seasons instead of relinking. i.e. back to 0.

    diablo 3 has a lot of seasons now. it should be an option for wvw players too.

    want to join season? yey, server wipe in the sense that new tiers will be made and ppl can choose to stack each servers. and players who dont normally play anyway will not be clogging the population.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    we just need server wipeouts as seasons instead of relinking. i.e. back to 0.

    That is effectively what alliances will do. Please read up.

    diablo 3 has a lot of seasons now. it should be an option for wvw players too.

    There are lots of games that aren’t GW2. And??

    want to join season? yey, server wipe in the sense that new tiers will be made and ppl can choose to stack each servers.

    Alliances.... again, read what is there.

    and players who dont normally play anyway will not be clogging the population.

    They don’t now.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    we just need server wipeouts as seasons instead of relinking. i.e. back to 0.

    That is effectively what alliances will do. Please read up.

    diablo 3 has a lot of seasons now. it should be an option for wvw players too.

    There are lots of games that aren’t GW2. And??

    want to join season? yey, server wipe in the sense that new tiers will be made and ppl can choose to stack each servers.

    Alliances.... again, read what is there.

    and players who dont normally play anyway will not be clogging the population.

    They don’t now.

    1. speculation.

    2. and they work

    3. speculation

    4. still requires decloging

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

    Because the progression system is not in EoTM. I play content for fun and progression. When it was rewarding to run EoTM was way more populated.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

    who says i dont? i play it with 2 or 3 ppl.

    no of play hours per toon, the more you play, the more blocks you occupy, which i hope they put a limit.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

    Because the progression system is not in EoTM. I play content for fun and progression. When it was rewarding to run EoTM was way more populated.

    no pips. :/

    yes.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:
    EotM is just a garbage of a map so iterating it into something decent would likely take more time than building something from scratch, but they could make new maps. It's not like it's hard or that the winning formula isn't already there.

    We all know what's going to happen when we ask for new maps coughdblcough..

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Of course with ‘more rewards’ it’s more Populated.

    It was a circular COORDINATED ktrain. There were guilds formed to run on multiple servers and all three colors to coordinate avoiding contact with each other.

    It was a complete and utter bastardization of WvW.

    Sure it was rewarding. Just like the Obsidean sanctum jump puzzle rewarded people with kill trading for UD.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2019

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

    who says i dont? i play it with 2 or 3 ppl.

    no of play hours per toon, the more you play, the more blocks you occupy, which i hope they put a limit.

    It’s play hours... period. If you are playing 300 hours, good for you. That would allow 300 players to play one hour.

    There is no clogging. Please stop spreading misinformation.

    For further clarification this is a link to the forum archives where @McKenna Berdrow.2759 posted the specifics.

    https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Yaks-Bend/first#post6513382

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2019

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

    who says i dont? i play it with 2 or 3 ppl.

    no of play hours per toon, the more you play, the more blocks you occupy, which i hope they put a limit.

    It’s play hours... period. If you are playing 300 hours, good for you. That would allow 300 players to play one hour.

    There is no clogging. Please stop spreading misinformation.

    For further clarification this is a link to the forum archives where @McKenna Berdrow.2759 posted the specifics.

    https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Yaks-Bend/first#post6513382

    and yet there's a lot of full servers :/ need to stop these clogging of servers and reset the wvw tiers. anet can do it and call it seasons. sure servers would stack again but that's how it is. i'd rather see players stack and play and fight than - be outnumbered all the the time.

    also, is it me or the forum when you post a link - sends you to a page not found? i had to copy what you posted and paste instead of this clicking thing.


    what you linked is similar to what i posted, whats the misinformation?

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2019

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    With Alliances reducing the number servers overall in WvW we can expect more queues and stuff, which would lead to us having plenty of people for another map. Thats were EOTM come in. It was originally meant for this role, but I propose a new EOTM that mixes a bit of the current design with Boarderland map design and have it as a forth map, to also be some what of an alternative to EBG which would reward pip just like any other WvW map.

    the old EoTM map can be used for something else in the future. But I believe this would be a great addition to Alliances going forward.

    There won’t be servers when alliances launches...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26547/world-restructuring

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2019

    But how many alliances there will be then??

    I imagine they are just rebranding servers to alliances and the way one can apply to that alliance wich has X builds registered on its.

    Players not in that alliance guilds will be on the randoms pool.

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    But how many alliances there will be then??

    No one knows, and neither does the OP. What a waste to have a conversation on someone's speculation.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Chaba.5410 said:

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    But how many alliances there will be then??

    No one knows, and neither does the OP. What a waste to have a conversation on someone's speculation.

    Guess we really have to wait until some clue is given.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    But how many alliances there will be then??

    I imagine they are just rebranding servers to alliances and the way one can apply to that alliance wich has X builds registered on its.

    Players not in that alliance guilds will be on the randoms pool.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26877/world-restructuring-faq

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    With Alliances reducing the number servers overall in WvW we can expect more queues and stuff, which would lead to us having plenty of people for another map. Thats were EOTM come in. It was originally meant for this role, but I propose a new EOTM that mixes a bit of the current design with Boarderland map design and have it as a forth map, to also be some what of an alternative to EBG which would reward pip just like any other WvW map.

    the old EoTM map can be used for something else in the future. But I believe this would be a great addition to Alliances going forward.

    Also...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/26877/world-restructuring-faq

    "EotM will remain the same as it does now."

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

    who says i dont? i play it with 2 or 3 ppl.

    no of play hours per toon, the more you play, the more blocks you occupy, which i hope they put a limit.

    It’s play hours... period. If you are playing 300 hours, good for you. That would allow 300 players to play one hour.

    There is no clogging. Please stop spreading misinformation.

    For further clarification this is a link to the forum archives where @McKenna Berdrow.2759 posted the specifics.

    https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Yaks-Bend/first#post6513382

    and yet there's a lot of full servers :/ need to stop these clogging of servers and reset the wvw tiers. anet can do it and call it seasons. sure servers would stack again but that's how it is. i'd rather see players stack and play and fight than - be outnumbered all the the time.

    also, is it me or the forum when you post a link - sends you to a page not found? i had to copy what you posted and paste instead of this clicking thing.


    what you linked is similar to what i posted, whats the misinformation?

    ‘Full’ servers are a level that triggers the server to close. It has nothing to do queues or numbers of players.

    It has everything to do with total play hours.

    For example: BG, considered to be the most ‘full’ server in NA, never mind it’s link. Rarely is there a queue outside of reset. But, because of play hours, across all time zones it remains full (and should)

    That isn’t ‘clogging’, it’s trying to keep things competitive.

    The link system has some redeeming qualities, but like most things, players found a way to game it.

    As it is written, (though I have no doubt it can be games) alliances offers some hope for more balanced matchups. But no system will be perfect.

    And as far as the links in posts? I think for the most part it’s how your computer/device handles links. I’ve never had a problem clicking on links both on my phone, or my computer.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    With Alliances reducing the number servers overall in WvW we can expect more queues and stuff, which would lead to us having plenty of people for another map. Thats were EOTM come in. It was originally meant for this role, but I propose a new EOTM that mixes a bit of the current design with Boarderland map design and have it as a forth map, to also be some what of an alternative to EBG which would reward pip just like any other WvW map.

    the old EoTM map can be used for something else in the future. But I believe this would be a great addition to Alliances going forward.

    This is an interesting idea. If they do, I plan on making the tankiest build I can, and equipping every knockback/launch I can make room for.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aeolus.3615 said:
    But how many alliances there will be then??

    I imagine they are just rebranding servers to alliances and the way one can apply to that alliance wich has X builds registered on its.

    Players not in that alliance guilds will be on the randoms pool.

    ‘Servers’ will be called ‘Worlds’. Each world will consist of likely two (maybe more) alliances, non allied guilds and non affiliated individual players to make up the total population.

    I tend to think of ‘Worlds’ like a wall. The alliances are like large bricks, with non affiliated guilds being the smaller bricks and the individual players not in an alliance or WvW guild being the mortar.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    @Knighthonor.4061 So tell me again why you don’t play EoTM?

    @Sovereign.1093 And tell me what your thoughts are as to how population status is figured?

    who says i dont? i play it with 2 or 3 ppl.

    no of play hours per toon, the more you play, the more blocks you occupy, which i hope they put a limit.

    It’s play hours... period. If you are playing 300 hours, good for you. That would allow 300 players to play one hour.

    There is no clogging. Please stop spreading misinformation.

    For further clarification this is a link to the forum archives where @McKenna Berdrow.2759 posted the specifics.

    https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Yaks-Bend/first#post6513382

    and yet there's a lot of full servers :/ need to stop these clogging of servers and reset the wvw tiers. anet can do it and call it seasons. sure servers would stack again but that's how it is. i'd rather see players stack and play and fight than - be outnumbered all the the time.

    also, is it me or the forum when you post a link - sends you to a page not found? i had to copy what you posted and paste instead of this clicking thing.


    what you linked is similar to what i posted, whats the misinformation?

    ‘Full’ servers are a level that triggers the server to close. It has nothing to do queues or numbers of players.

    It has everything to do with total play hours.

    For example: BG, considered to be the most ‘full’ server in NA, never mind it’s link. Rarely is there a queue outside of reset. But, because of play hours, across all time zones it remains full (and should)

    That isn’t ‘clogging’, it’s trying to keep things competitive.

    The link system has some redeeming qualities, but like most things, players found a way to game it.

    As it is written, (though I have no doubt it can be games) alliances offers some hope for more balanced matchups. But no system will be perfect.

    And as far as the links in posts? I think for the most part it’s how your computer/device handles links. I’ve never had a problem clicking on links both on my phone, or my computer.

    we'll see if alliance delivers when its out. until then, its a shrodingers cat scenario.

    mmm... page error it shows for me. :/

    and as i read the link, it really does not refute but supports what i earlier said.

    no. of hours played acts as your block. some players has a value of probably 2 to 5 versus others with less. but i do a player who plays 6 to 8 hours will not be an equivalent to more than 3 to 5 players. :/

    makes sense now why many make alts so they can stack it somewhere and that blob place with all novice titles can be equivalent of the best players without wvw skills used.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    What do you think will happen when you give players even more control? That 1st alliance will be so effin stacked with guilds and have perfect timezone coverage. The next couple will be decent then any other alliance after that will just be kitten. Yeah looking forward to that mess and that mess is probably years away.

    After 2 weeks in EU T1 one can see that even high populations can mean absolutely nothing. Lots of ppl are just exhausted after 6 years and now are simply not interested in playing the game anymore. Instead they create their own game modes, and then rage because other ppl don't play the „right“ way. Its like „playing“ football and saying: „I'm tired of running, scoring and winning.“

    Lots of ppl are simply not interested in playing the game and playing together. And I don't mean the usual „PPK-com wants meta-only, PPT-casuals unable or unwilling to deliver“. Even the dedicated fight elite doesn't want to play together. 2-3 fight guilds on the map (+roamers, +spawn-afk'lers) doesn't even leave enough space for an additional zerg. Even when there are no enemy fight guilds on the map for GvG, they still don't group up to defend the lord room vs. the enemy zerg. Instead:

    • guild 1 pushes in and instantly dies
    • guild 2 just standing beside and watching the massacre (and then suiciding as well)
    • guild 3 takes a break afk at spawn

    (there are exceptions ofc)

    The other day a server is dead for hours. Then a full zone pops up and just karma snipes every map. After that server dead again for hours.

    Long story short: I totally agree with you. At the beginning there will be some elite alliances, and maybe even a bit of competition. But after a couple of months the usual stuff will most likely kick in again:

    • Alliance A doesn't want to play with Alliance B
    • guild 1 from Alliance A doesn't want to play with guild 2 from Alliance A anymore
    • Alliance C loses on purpose to get „high quailty fights“ one tier down
    • Alliance D disbands because they couldn't find a consensus if the next community meeting will be at 6 or 7 pm :#

    Imo Alliances won't make it easier to find ppl with the same attitude and game goals to play with, its gonna be the straight opposite, more separating than with the current big servers.

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