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  • How old of machines are you guys using?

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Built in jan..
    Asus prime z390-a
    i5-9600k
    16gigs

    This type of wide spread lag started like a month ago, just seems to get worse every week. Yesterday dc'd a couple times, during reset a portion of nsp and yb were kicked after a keep fight in ebg. Some zerg fights no matter where now gets laggy, before it use to just be in smc.

    I mean you can try and blame peoples machines but there's a lot of people experiencing it now on both sides of the ocean.

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  • @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Built in jan..
    Asus prime z390-a
    i5-9600k
    16gigs

    This type of wide spread lag started like a month ago, just seems to get worse every week. Yesterday dc'd a couple times, during reset a portion of nsp and yb were kicked after a keep fight in ebg. Some zerg fights no matter where now gets laggy, before it use to just be in smc.

    I mean you can try and blame peoples machines but there's a lot of people experiencing it now on both sides of the ocean.

    Weird... Unless im just used to the pathetic performance from eso and the average ms of 500+. So gw2 feels lile a godsend.. Cant say i get major lag at all

    I5
    1060gtx 6 gb
    16gb ram
    500 gb ssd

    So nothing special machine wise

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:
    I click on some fast cast aoe few times and nothing happens for like 10 seconds then i get killed for not activating my heals/barriers in time cuz it has a delay.
    long story short: UNPLAYABLE.
    do something about it.

    Skill lags are the server. And there is an easy fix: reduce player capacity per map, should be an easy thing now that no one has enough people to fill all maps anyway.
    Would even help to distribute them better.

    But to often player confuse skill-lags with internet-lags. And there ANet cannot do anything, just you can change things: get a better inet provider.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2019

    Skill lag is still so bad, even with a cloud of players from the third server.
    It's also Server Side lag, not FPS performance Drops.

  • Most likely it's your internet isn't fast enough or PC isn't powerful enough for Gw2. People in my guild complain about lag. While It is working great for me. So again, It's probably something in between you and Anet. And not Anet. This might not be a popular post . But most likely the case. IMHO. If your internet is less than 100 mb Down and 30+ up. It's probably one of the reasons. Also, I played on a regular 1TB hard drive. With Lag. After going to a SSD. No Lag! Everything else the same. Game was smooth in Wvw with 2 full zergs going at it. But it's easier and cheaper to blame Anet :) Like I said... ....Not popular. But probably true!

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Gw2 doesn't actually use much data up or down. The latency from the routing would be one factor, but you can easily play gw2 on a 10mbps connection, even lower.

  • Vieux P.1238Vieux P.1238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Why pay high speed internet if your game is going to behave like it's hook up on a dial up... ?
    Great game anet..can't wait till next year where you'l have up to 3 frames a sec. :D

    Winter Nerf is coming!

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vieux P.1238 said:
    Why pay high speed internet if your game is going to behave like it's hook up on a dial up... ?
    Great game anet..can't wait till next year where you'l have up to 3 frames a sec. :D

    That doesn't make sense ... the fact that other people don't have massive lag issues would tend towards the lag problem NOT being Anet server.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Acheron.4731Acheron.4731 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Vieux P.1238 said:
    Why pay high speed internet if your game is going to behave like it's hook up on a dial up... ?
    Great game anet..can't wait till next year where you'l have up to 3 frames a sec. :D

    That doesn't make sense ... the fact that other people don't have massive lag issues would tend towards the lag problem NOT being Anet server.

    It may be a little of both. ANET admitted their load balancer was not right for their upgraded server...worked toward fixing that, but then noticed the issue persisted during reset. They haven't updated since then.

    Dilly Dilly

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    Most likely it's your internet isn't fast enough or PC isn't powerful enough for Gw2. People in my guild complain about lag. While It is working great for me. So again, It's probably something in between you and Anet. And not Anet. This might not be a popular post . But most likely the case. IMHO. If your internet is less than 100 mb Down and 30+ up. It's probably one of the reasons. Also, I played on a regular 1TB hard drive. With Lag. After going to a SSD. No Lag! Everything else the same. Game was smooth in Wvw with 2 full zergs going at it. But it's easier and cheaper to blame Anet :) Like I said... ....Not popular. But probably true!

    Its not true when people on 9900K/RTX2080ti/NVMe raid0 ssds/1gbps internet will still lag.

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  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2019

    @Acheron.4731 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Vieux P.1238 said:
    Why pay high speed internet if your game is going to behave like it's hook up on a dial up... ?
    Great game anet..can't wait till next year where you'l have up to 3 frames a sec. :D

    That doesn't make sense ... the fact that other people don't have massive lag issues would tend towards the lag problem NOT being Anet server.

    It may be a little of both. ANET admitted their load balancer was not right for their upgraded server...worked toward fixing that, but then noticed the issue persisted during reset. They haven't updated since then.

    Sure, but overall, it's alot more not Anet than it is. Not saying that Anet has no effect on this but it's certainly not the majority their issue because there are players where this isn't a problem for them.

    The fact is that there are lots of connections over the internet that impact how a player experiences the game, so singling out Anet because they develop the game as THE problem is nonsense.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2019

    @DemonSeed.3528 said:
    Gw2 doesn't actually use much data up or down. The latency from the routing would be one factor, but you can easily play gw2 on a 10mbps connection, even lower.

    @DemonSeed.3528 is totally correct. The problem of Internet connection is not your up/download rate, but the ping (time of a round-trip) of your route from your computer to ANets game-server in the amazon cloud. In fact, each package with bad ping may cause you a lag (with rubber-banding) as the client (and server) need to process packages in the correct order (and the rubber-banding happen as the client estimate where you and the others are and then get corrected by a late package).

    If your internet provider puts your packages into a queue somewhere because it's cables are sometimes somewhere overloaded or it prefers other peoples packages first (Network neutrality violation) you have a lag. and that is true for all Online Games. (In games like Counter Strike you can even use that: If you move, you can shoot before your opponent sees you, if you stay you got shoot before you see your opponent. That's why CSS-several server simply kick/ban people with bad ping.)

    (Video) streaming and downloads are NOT so much affected by that, as they cache packets instead of processing them real-time. Only if the cache is exhausted you see your video hang.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @starlinvf.1358 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Acheron.4731 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Vieux P.1238 said:
    Why pay high speed internet if your game is going to behave like it's hook up on a dial up... ?
    Great game anet..can't wait till next year where you'l have up to 3 frames a sec. :D

    That doesn't make sense ... the fact that other people don't have massive lag issues would tend towards the lag problem NOT being Anet server.

    It may be a little of both. ANET admitted their load balancer was not right for their upgraded server...worked toward fixing that, but then noticed the issue persisted during reset. They haven't updated since then.

    Sure, but overall, it's alot more not Anet than it is. Not saying that Anet has no effect on this but it's certainly not the majority their issue because there are players where this isn't a problem for them.

    The fact is that there are lots of connections over the internet that impact how a player experiences the game, so singling out Anet because they develop the game as THE problem is nonsense.

    But you also can't discount that they're engineering level decisions have a major impact.

    Well, I didn't so ... we should all be good with the understanding that whenever people have lag issues, they should stop assuming it's because of 'the game' just because they are not happy with something about the game.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @grouchybhaal.4275 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Built in jan..
    Asus prime z390-a
    i5-9600k
    16gigs

    This type of wide spread lag started like a month ago, just seems to get worse every week. Yesterday dc'd a couple times, during reset a portion of nsp and yb were kicked after a keep fight in ebg. Some zerg fights no matter where now gets laggy, before it use to just be in smc.

    I mean you can try and blame peoples machines but there's a lot of people experiencing it now on both sides of the ocean.

    Weird... Unless im just used to the pathetic performance from eso and the average ms of 500+. So gw2 feels lile a godsend.. Cant say i get major lag at all

    I5
    1060gtx 6 gb
    16gb ram
    500 gb ssd

    So nothing special machine wise

    Budget Friendly:
    Gigabyte ab-350 Gaming
    Ryzen 3 2200g
    RX570 (4GB)
    16GB RAM
    1TB HDD

    Runs GW2 WvW just fine...and this is a budget build

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  • @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @grouchybhaal.4275 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Built in jan..
    Asus prime z390-a
    i5-9600k
    16gigs

    This type of wide spread lag started like a month ago, just seems to get worse every week. Yesterday dc'd a couple times, during reset a portion of nsp and yb were kicked after a keep fight in ebg. Some zerg fights no matter where now gets laggy, before it use to just be in smc.

    I mean you can try and blame peoples machines but there's a lot of people experiencing it now on both sides of the ocean.

    Weird... Unless im just used to the pathetic performance from eso and the average ms of 500+. So gw2 feels lile a godsend.. Cant say i get major lag at all

    I5
    1060gtx 6 gb
    16gb ram
    500 gb ssd

    So nothing special machine wise

    Budget Friendly:
    Gigabyte ab-350 Gaming
    Ryzen 3 2200g
    RX570 (4GB)
    16GB RAM
    1TB HDD

    Runs GW2 WvW just fine...and this is a budget build

    Thats it... Like mines a budget build and runs just fine also has one of the worlds worst internet.. And no major or game breaking lag.

    Unless everyone is running on a 7 year old machine or a toaster, dont know how they are getting the lag?

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @grouchybhaal.4275 said:

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @grouchybhaal.4275 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Built in jan..
    Asus prime z390-a
    i5-9600k
    16gigs

    This type of wide spread lag started like a month ago, just seems to get worse every week. Yesterday dc'd a couple times, during reset a portion of nsp and yb were kicked after a keep fight in ebg. Some zerg fights no matter where now gets laggy, before it use to just be in smc.

    I mean you can try and blame peoples machines but there's a lot of people experiencing it now on both sides of the ocean.

    Weird... Unless im just used to the pathetic performance from eso and the average ms of 500+. So gw2 feels lile a godsend.. Cant say i get major lag at all

    I5
    1060gtx 6 gb
    16gb ram
    500 gb ssd

    So nothing special machine wise

    Budget Friendly:
    Gigabyte ab-350 Gaming
    Ryzen 3 2200g
    RX570 (4GB)
    16GB RAM
    1TB HDD

    Runs GW2 WvW just fine...and this is a budget build

    Thats it... Like mines a budget build and runs just fine also has one of the worlds worst internet.. And no major or game breaking lag.

    Unless everyone is running on a 7 year old machine or a toaster, dont know how they are getting the lag?

    I only get some sort of lag/stuttering when I stream (and its the stream that stutters, not my actual gameplay)

    Red = Dead...or someone runs away. Either way it's gone.
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  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @grouchybhaal.4275 said:
    Unless everyone is running on a 7 year old machine or a toaster, dont know how they are getting the lag?

    You don't need a potato PC to experience lag. Your experience is different, but that doesn't discount the experience that others are having. Having not experienced it yourself will of course make you have a different view on it.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2019

    You don't even need that good internet to play games online, it's only if you also stream, use a P2P client and/or live in a household; which has to share bandwidth.

    It's a far cry from the days we had 56k modems with 150-200 pings, but even this Skill lag and rubberbanding as of late, feels much worse than my nostalgia about those days.

  • Warrior Xsr.1672Warrior Xsr.1672 Member ✭✭
    edited August 29, 2019

    @TinkTinkPOOF.9201 said:

    Also, sorry to break it to you, but the SSD only helps loading times, not FPS,

    You are dead wrong. It affects the lag associated with Zerg lag. I have seen it's huge impact when I went from SSD to HDD and back to SSD. 20 fps drop using SSD and down to 4 fps using a HDD. So unless you have switched and used both SSD and HDD? Your opinion means squat! Smh! Try it! Then get back to me. pfft

  • @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:

    @TinkTinkPOOF.9201 said:

    Also, sorry to break it to you, but the SSD only helps loading times, not FPS,

    You are dead wrong. It affects the lag associated with Zerg lag. I have seen it's huge impact when I went from SSD to HDD and back to SSD. 20 fps drop using SSD and down to 4 fps using a HDD. So unless you have switched and used both SSD and HDD? Your opinion means squat! Smh! Try it! Then get back to me. pfft

    I am not wrong, to suggest otherwise you are saying that the basic function of the computers subsystems and games operations don't exist or follow specific rules. You are also saying every single computer hardware review site is wrong. Again, the only time you are going to run into this is on systems that are thrashing, which is an issue with system memory and not because of the SSD.

    And last, but not least, I have had the game in the current system on an older 600GB velociraptor, then on a normal SATA SSD and now on a NVMe SSD.

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  • Warrior Xsr.1672Warrior Xsr.1672 Member ✭✭
    edited August 29, 2019

    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 30, 2019

    ssd does not help in cases of server lag. :/

    thats the only time my team really has it hard since we dont run pvt melandru tanky builds. just minstrel and zerks. we need the skills

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  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    Don't have any lag on wvw. Check yours settings, and internet connections.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:
    Don't have any lag on wvw. Check yours settings, and internet connections.

    entire 3 servers lag with each other, "check your internet connections" you have no idea what you're talking about.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:

    @TinkTinkPOOF.9201 said:

    Also, sorry to break it to you, but the SSD only helps loading times, not FPS,

    You are dead wrong. It affects the lag associated with Zerg lag. I have seen it's huge impact when I went from SSD to HDD and back to SSD. 20 fps drop using SSD and down to 4 fps using a HDD. So unless you have switched and used both SSD and HDD? Your opinion means squat! Smh! Try it! Then get back to me. pfft

    played the game on hdd and ssd, no difference at all except map loading.

  • Jugglemonkey.8741Jugglemonkey.8741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

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  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.
    fps is via gpu but in gw2 case it's majority on cpu cuz reasons. so stronger cpu more fps but in general games stronger gpu more fps.
    ssd means to load the map. the map is loaded, when it comes to fighting it's not using ssd anymore. it uses gpu+cpu for the graphics and data and online people that send skills and you send skills is about internet connection and the servers.

  • @Draco.9480 said:

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.
    fps is via gpu but in gw2 case it's majority on cpu cuz reasons. so stronger cpu more fps but in general games stronger gpu more fps.
    ssd means to load the map. the map is loaded, when it comes to fighting it's not using ssd anymore. it uses gpu+cpu for the graphics and data and online people that send skills and you send skills is about internet connection and the servers.

    It can be because of someones internet connection. Each person needs to test and make sure where the problem is happening, just assuming it's one thing because it is common does not mean it is the issue and it is always best to test to be sure in case it can be fixed on the users end. Even if the likely issue is the same as others here.

    GW2 also doesn't use more CPU, people seem to think it's very demanding on the CPU when it's not. It is CPU bound however, but that is not due to how demanding it is, rather it is because of how the rendering pipeline is designed, it is single threaded and will only use a single core of the CPU, resulting in a bottleneck, most quad core CPUs wont even be 50-60% loaded while playing the game, but 1 core will be maxed out. This is why a high clocked quad core Intel CPU will do better than a 12 core AMD CPU in GW2 even though the AMD CPU has far more total processing power

    The problem comes from the anet servers not being able to keep up with the combat and calculations being done, be that from not enough processing power, or limits on if the work load can be parallelized in how it's coded, or both. However, once that bottleneck happens, it will no longer respond to new requests from clients due to how it is queuing skills and processing and whatever priority hierarchy they have designed, however even then, once the cache fills up, all those new requests coming into the server are going to time out due to not getting a response and you end up with skills never being processed and never going off.

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  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Speaking of which, I was kind of sad that the new "low latency mode" on latest nvidia drivers were more helpful for gpu intensive games rather than cpu intensive ones. That said, should prolly test it anyway to see if there is any difference.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 31, 2019

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.

    Right ... and that's NOT only about Anet and how they serve the game. So when you tell Anet to 'do something about it", what do you think that should be? They just buy the whole internet or something? Move where you live to their server room and hook you up direct?

    We get it, you got lag. But that's NOT only Anet fault and it's probably reasonable to say that it's most NOT their fault. So maybe tone it down a smidge and have some self-restraint.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:
    entire 3 servers lag with each other

    so why I not feel any lag ?

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 1, 2019

    You probably haven't been in the types of fights that start the rubberband effect, or enough players wipe before the lag starts to get bad enough.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:
    entire 3 servers lag with each other

    so why I not feel any lag ?

    Because you're special.

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  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.

    Right ... and that's NOT only about Anet and how they serve the game. So when you tell Anet to 'do something about it", what do you think that should be? They just buy the whole internet or something? Move where you live to their server room and hook you up direct?

    We get it, you got lag. But that's NOT only Anet fault and it's probably reasonable to say that it's most NOT their fault. So maybe tone it down a smidge and have some self-restraint.

    you should tone down cuz you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't experience 3 blobs of 50 people at the same time. all 3 servers lagged at those days and you tell me to tone down and might be my internet's connection? my internet is perfect for any online game. it works good without any lag everywhere, only in gw2 in wvw with blobs it happens in majority of the days. you weren't in those servers nor was in my situations. entire squad were lagging and we wiped cuz of late skills or not working at all.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @TinkTinkPOOF.9201 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.
    fps is via gpu but in gw2 case it's majority on cpu cuz reasons. so stronger cpu more fps but in general games stronger gpu more fps.
    ssd means to load the map. the map is loaded, when it comes to fighting it's not using ssd anymore. it uses gpu+cpu for the graphics and data and online people that send skills and you send skills is about internet connection and the servers.

    It can be because of someones internet connection. Each person needs to test and make sure where the problem is happening, just assuming it's one thing because it is common does not mean it is the issue and it is always best to test to be sure in case it can be fixed on the users end. Even if the likely issue is the same as others here.

    GW2 also doesn't use more CPU, people seem to think it's very demanding on the CPU when it's not. It is CPU bound however, but that is not due to how demanding it is, rather it is because of how the rendering pipeline is designed, it is single threaded and will only use a single core of the CPU, resulting in a bottleneck, most quad core CPUs wont even be 50-60% loaded while playing the game, but 1 core will be maxed out. This is why a high clocked quad core Intel CPU will do better than a 12 core AMD CPU in GW2 even though the AMD CPU has far more total processing power

    The problem comes from the anet servers not being able to keep up with the combat and calculations being done, be that from not enough processing power, or limits on if the work load can be parallelized in how it's coded, or both. However, once that bottleneck happens, it will no longer respond to new requests from clients due to how it is queuing skills and processing and whatever priority hierarchy they have designed, however even then, once the cache fills up, all those new requests coming into the server are going to time out due to not getting a response and you end up with skills never being processed and never going off.

    my internet connection is fine and lagless in all online games, it only happens in big servers in wvw with big blobs. gw2 demands cpu more than gpu. game of 2012 runs lower fps than games of 2015+. the engine is bad and so is the coding. and not talking about fps. we're talking about ping and rubberbanding.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 1, 2019

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.

    Right ... and that's NOT only about Anet and how they serve the game. So when you tell Anet to 'do something about it", what do you think that should be? They just buy the whole internet or something? Move where you live to their server room and hook you up direct?

    We get it, you got lag. But that's NOT only Anet fault and it's probably reasonable to say that it's most NOT their fault. So maybe tone it down a smidge and have some self-restraint.

    you should tone down cuz you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't experience 3 blobs of 50 people at the same time. all 3 servers lagged at those days and you tell me to tone down and might be my internet's connection? my internet is perfect for any online game. it works good without any lag everywhere, only in gw2 in wvw with blobs it happens in majority of the days. you weren't in those servers nor was in my situations. entire squad were lagging and we wiped cuz of late skills or not working at all.

    Actually I got a good idea of what I'm talking about because this isn't the first game I've ever played that has lag or zerg battles. yes of course you're connection is perfect when you aren't in large scale fights. That doesn't mean that any lag you experience is all about Anet's side.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.

    Right ... and that's NOT only about Anet and how they serve the game. So when you tell Anet to 'do something about it", what do you think that should be? They just buy the whole internet or something? Move where you live to their server room and hook you up direct?

    We get it, you got lag. But that's NOT only Anet fault and it's probably reasonable to say that it's most NOT their fault. So maybe tone it down a smidge and have some self-restraint.

    you should tone down cuz you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't experience 3 blobs of 50 people at the same time. all 3 servers lagged at those days and you tell me to tone down and might be my internet's connection? my internet is perfect for any online game. it works good without any lag everywhere, only in gw2 in wvw with blobs it happens in majority of the days. you weren't in those servers nor was in my situations. entire squad were lagging and we wiped cuz of late skills or not working at all.

    Actually I got a good idea of what I'm talking about because this isn't the first game I've ever played that has lag or zerg battles. yes of course you're connection is perfect when you aren't in large scale fights. That doesn't mean that any lag you experience is all about Anet's side.

    An anet dev posted on reddit the servers were experiencing severe problems and never posted again.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @c space cowboy.2764 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Warrior Xsr.1672 said:
    If it makes you feel better. You are right. Smh..... Everyone else having that Zerg lag. Please try a SSD. :)

    ssd has nothing to do with connection to the server. ssd is only to load maps, games, software, windows faster.

    It's like saying that a restaurant has stock delivery problems, so it's going to fix that by replacing poor staff with better staff. Doesn't matter how fast your staff are at making a burger if the buns are still en route from the factory.

    it has nothing to do with internet connection. ping is linked to internet trying to connect other servers, sends data and receives it back.

    Right ... and that's NOT only about Anet and how they serve the game. So when you tell Anet to 'do something about it", what do you think that should be? They just buy the whole internet or something? Move where you live to their server room and hook you up direct?

    We get it, you got lag. But that's NOT only Anet fault and it's probably reasonable to say that it's most NOT their fault. So maybe tone it down a smidge and have some self-restraint.

    you should tone down cuz you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't experience 3 blobs of 50 people at the same time. all 3 servers lagged at those days and you tell me to tone down and might be my internet's connection? my internet is perfect for any online game. it works good without any lag everywhere, only in gw2 in wvw with blobs it happens in majority of the days. you weren't in those servers nor was in my situations. entire squad were lagging and we wiped cuz of late skills or not working at all.

    Actually I got a good idea of what I'm talking about because this isn't the first game I've ever played that has lag or zerg battles. yes of course you're connection is perfect when you aren't in large scale fights. That doesn't mean that any lag you experience is all about Anet's side.

    An anet dev posted on reddit the servers were experiencing severe problems and never posted again.

    so that means whenever there is lag, it's JUST Anet's problem? I think we put that myth to bed already. No reason to rehash it. Yup, they had some problems. They aren't the only part of that equation.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • No, whenever there is skill lag or rubber banding it is solely anets problem. It's the only lag I get in wvw. Frame lag is pc related. Skill lag and rubberbanding is connection.

  • knite.1542knite.1542 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 2, 2019

    I think in the wvw blob fight case, the server side cpu performance is a pretty big problem. Either way, hopefully improvements are made.

    so you are still salty about that.

  • The problem with lag is because of the constant boonspam and data transfer between players involved.

    Long story short,if a guild that is composed by boonspam specs rolls into wvw it ruins the mode for everyone regardless if it's a friend or foe.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2019

    @grave of hearts.7830 said:
    The problem with lag is because of the constant boonspam and data transfer between players involved.

    Long story short,if a guild that is composed by boonspam specs rolls into wvw it ruins the mode for everyone regardless if it's a friend or foe.

    Expect more aoe spam of everything even on passives on next elite specs.

    They need to look better then PoF specs.... for players feel the need of playing new gimmicks.

  • Wait.. i thought 5 second skill lag was part of the gamemode.

  • Is the lag being caused by all the shiny mounts maybe ?

  • c space cowboy.2764c space cowboy.2764 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2019

    I've posted this before and I'll post it again.

    An anet dev came onto reddit and explained that the recent bout of horrible skill lag was caused by them misconfiguring the server setup cause they put more hardware to wvw.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/cuikws/this_is_the_sort_of_thing_the_wvw_community_has/exvuufi/?context=1000

    -edit-

    [Edit 2019 08 26: I went into Blackgate and watched the CPU and some fights; pretty sure this is a problem with too much CPU requirements and it only happens in big battles with lots of skills flying. Sometimes players, who are clever and amazing, figure out a new way to use a skill that is expensive so we'll be evaluating skill performance.]

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