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NA WvW is in freefall

Caysadia.7405Caysadia.7405 Member ✭✭✭

Every week another group, another commander quits gw2 for the forseeable future. At this rate any sort of competitive wvw scene in NA will be gone by september. With no higher end players to drive the scene and provide content in whatever form, players entering the mode will have nothing to do but hit doors all day, eventually leading to the cold hard death of freeform zergvszerg gamertime, we had a good run boys, but it eventually all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.

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  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @Caysadia.7405 said:
    any sort of competitive wvw scene

    is this thread from 2014? ;)

  • Wvw is dead, Pvp is dead, PvE is dead and gw2 is dead ;)

  • BadMed.3846BadMed.3846 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Natural attrition. Those commanders are just handful on individuals but have a following so their exit impacts the game. But more will rise.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Caysadia.7405 said:
    Every week another group, another commander quits gw2 for the forseeable future. At this rate any sort of competitive wvw scene in NA will be gone by september. With no higher end players to drive the scene and provide content in whatever form, players entering the mode will have nothing to do but hit doors all day, eventually leading to the cold hard death of freeform zergvszerg gamertime, we had a good run boys, but it eventually all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.

    how do you plan to save ww?

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I too finally got a new game I am interested to play! It is not released yet, soon!!

    Founder & Retired Leader of Equinox Solstice [TIME], a Singapore-Based International PvX Guild
    Henge of Denravi
    https://discord.gg/P5dj7fd

  • Caysadia.7405Caysadia.7405 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Caysadia.7405 said:
    Every week another group, another commander quits gw2 for the forseeable future. At this rate any sort of competitive wvw scene in NA will be gone by september. With no higher end players to drive the scene and provide content in whatever form, players entering the mode will have nothing to do but hit doors all day, eventually leading to the cold hard death of freeform zergvszerg gamertime, we had a good run boys, but it eventually all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.

    how do you plan to save ww?

    Everything can be linked to the rise and fall of shattered aegis, the driving karmic force of wvw.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Caysadia.7405 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Caysadia.7405 said:
    Every week another group, another commander quits gw2 for the forseeable future. At this rate any sort of competitive wvw scene in NA will be gone by september. With no higher end players to drive the scene and provide content in whatever form, players entering the mode will have nothing to do but hit doors all day, eventually leading to the cold hard death of freeform zergvszerg gamertime, we had a good run boys, but it eventually all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.

    how do you plan to save ww?

    Everything can be linked to the rise and fall of shattered aegis, the driving karmic force of wvw.

    how so? ;3

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    At this rate any sort of competitive wvw scene in NA will be gone by september.

    September which year, 2014?

  • Fish.2769Fish.2769 Member ✭✭✭

    Learn to lead yourself or do something other than zerg in WvW, it's not difficult...

  • Sleepwalker.1398Sleepwalker.1398 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Caysadia.7405 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Caysadia.7405 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Caysadia.7405 said:
    Every week another group, another commander quits gw2 for the forseeable future. At this rate any sort of competitive wvw scene in NA will be gone by september. With no higher end players to drive the scene and provide content in whatever form, players entering the mode will have nothing to do but hit doors all day, eventually leading to the cold hard death of freeform zergvszerg gamertime, we had a good run boys, but it eventually all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.

    how do you plan to save ww?

    Everything can be linked to the rise and fall of shattered aegis, the driving karmic force of wvw.

    how so? ;3

    PoF comes out, firebrand launches, shattered aegis is powerful due to copious amounts of aegis uptime firebrand gives, life is good. But then arenanet removes aegis on courage 1, and the cracks start to shine through pof. People start chaining bubbles, mega alliances start to form destabilizing servers. Fasf forward to christmas 2018 and arenanet decides to gut shattered aegis. Shortly after we get layoffs, warclaw, and antitoxin nerfs. Finally by refusing to buff SA along with the other 2 zeal grandmasters we start to suffer through chrono nerfs and the removal of detection pulse. The health of the game can be directly linked to how good shattered aegis is at the time, and requires shattered aegis to be strong to upkeep any form of playerbase.

    Another SA thread.
    Aren't FB and Scourge the meta for zergs and you want to make one stronger.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dayra.7405 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:

    @Caysadia.7405 said:
    Every week another group, another commander quits gw2 for the forseeable future. At this rate any sort of competitive wvw scene in NA will be gone by september. With no higher end players to drive the scene and provide content in whatever form, players entering the mode will have nothing to do but hit doors all day, eventually leading to the cold hard death of freeform zergvszerg gamertime, we had a good run boys, but it eventually all comes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.

    how do you plan to save ww?

    There is only 1 obvious way: First reduce the tiers, then when there is just 1 tier and its still to much, remove the borderlands.
    In the end, we will have just one match on EBG.

    Only open question is: will this happen before Alliances are released, and do we need alliances, if it already happened :)

    mmm 3 tiers and 4 of eu would work. :P 1 tier for all would mean multiple eotm like for wvw, which i dont mind too.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 12, 2019

    @Caysadia.7405 said:
    snips about SA

    I love you lol.

  • Also BG is open.

    Guild leader for Goats of Thunder. No pants allowed.

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Threads like this really show who are the real wvw'ers and who are not.

    Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Is there pvp stuff for this?" - "Absolutely, eh we actually have a new armor set coming soon." - "Woo!"
    "From the back of the room!, the one pvp fan! we got him! WaH!"
    || Stealth is a Terribad Mechanic ||

  • Caysadia.7405Caysadia.7405 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fatherbliss.4701 said:
    Also BG is open.

    We should all just transfer to BG honestly, might as well hit doors with the best of em.

  • chad.8701chad.8701 Member ✭✭

    Look like Expandas is leaving the game too.

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Y'all will be back when they make the grand announcement at the live event on Aug 30th!
    You'll see!
    You'll be back!
    You'll be sorry for leaving so early!

    muffles laughter

    Another derailing post ^ - Anet
    "Is there pvp stuff for this?" - "Absolutely, eh we actually have a new armor set coming soon." - "Woo!"
    "From the back of the room!, the one pvp fan! we got him! WaH!"
    || Stealth is a Terribad Mechanic ||

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @coro.3176 said:

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Y'all will be back when they make the grand announcement at the live event on Aug 30th!
    You'll see!
    You'll be back!
    You'll be sorry for leaving so early!

    muffles laughter

    I guess we'll see if it can compete with a 15-year-old MMO re-release. If it can't.. well.. at least there's open world PvP in that one..

    Where every fight is balanced and no one is ever ganked, I'm sure of it.

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    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • Maybe it would make sense to merge NA & EU regions.?
    Can also be limited server change for players - once every 3 - 6 months. I understand that continuous server changers are an opportunity to make money for the game, but in the long run, these jumpers will be bad for the whole system.

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  • Kaiser.9873Kaiser.9873 Member ✭✭✭

    @hunkamania.7561 said:
    I suggest everyone quit the game until they fix up at arenanet which might be never. Game is dead

    Already done.

  • Caysadia.7405Caysadia.7405 Member ✭✭✭

    I WISH THAT I COULD TURN BACK TIME

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    @C Cspace Cowboy.5903 said:
    Alliances won't fix anything. It was a pipe dream to give people hope to keep playing. End of.

    At this point, it would do nothing more than what guilds looking for fights have already been doing. Dropping up and down tiers to get better content.

    Pug drivers are quitting. Fight guilds leaving. Soon it will be nothing more than zergs of noobs running builds of the month trying to pick anything they can get in range of, and banging on doors.

    Content is dead.

    'Vision without action is daydream. Action without vision is nightmare'

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    "WvW is about fites" right?

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    @nthmetal.9652 said:
    You know ... if the elitist competitive players actually would all leave, the less skilled players would actually find challenges in fights again. Who knows, within a few months WvW might find a new balance in servers and fights. I wouldn't be so overly worried and overly negative; the game is changing, and it probably needs to keep changing.

    I keep hearing that WvW is dead since I started playing the game, and I have to say that I've never had this much fun with any game before. And I play mostly WvW these days.

    Let me ask you few questions;

    what are the attitudes behind elitists?
    what are the mentality of elitists?
    Does Guild Wars 2 gaming culture promotes healthy competition?
    Does Guild Wars 2 gaming culture promotes Toxic Elitism?

    Lastly, In the past 7 years to the present...how has Guild Wars 2 designs, mechanics and balancing tackle Toxic Elitism?

    -Until than, have a nice day--

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @nthmetal.9652 said:
    You know ... if the elitist competitive players actually would all leave, the less skilled players would actually find challenges in fights again. Who knows, within a few months WvW might find a new balance in servers and fights. I wouldn't be so overly worried and overly negative; the game is changing, and it probably needs to keep changing.

    I keep hearing that WvW is dead since I started playing the game, and I have to say that I've never had this much fun with any game before. And I play mostly WvW these days.

    Let me ask you few questions;

    what are the attitudes behind elitists?
    what are the mentality of elitists?
    Does Guild Wars 2 gaming culture promotes healthy competition?
    Does Guild Wars 2 gaming culture promotes Toxic Elitism?

    Lastly, In the past 7 years to the present...how has Guild Wars 2 designs, mechanics and balancing tackle Toxic Elitism?

    -Until than, have a nice day--

    Not sure that's the point. I have people in my guild who pretty much do nothing but WvW, and they're not saying it's dead like this guy is. So they're having fun and obviously doing something different. The organized zerg guild is definitely on the decline, but I'm still fighting when I go into WvW. The experience the OP wants may or may not be dying, but WvW isn't dying for some people They're having fun, having fights, getting stuff done. Not sure why it's dead if people are still doing that.

  • nthmetal.9652nthmetal.9652 Member ✭✭✭

    I know, I should not bite, but here we go. Please note, that my answers are highly subjective and by no means backed up by facts or statistical analysis.

    @Burnfall.9573 said:
    what are the attitudes behind elitists?
    what are the mentality of elitists?

    I know a few players and guilds, where people play highly competitive, try to work to get better, try to help others get better. I am not sure, I would call these people elitists.
    What I would call elitist are people of the mindset I'd summarize as:
    Gid gud or GTFO.
    That is not helpful, IMO. It might work for some people, but for me and I would guess (and I have to guess since I did not do statistical analysis and research) for quite some players an open mindset is more helpful.
    I was shocked when I was first confronted with the "meta is life, meta is life" mindset and its consequences. Being kicked from zergs, even being borderline insulted did do nothing for me even wanting to improve myself, considering different class- and build-options.

    It took people like a certain (in)famous Gandara PPT night-time commander to make me see the benefit of certain builds.

    Does Guild Wars 2 gaming culture promotes healthy competition?

    I am not sure. The only game-mode I play, which is somewhat competitive is WvW, but even this game mode I mostly value and view as a cooperative game mode, not a competitive one.
    That said, there could be better / more structures in place to support the competition between servers. I feel like many hings are out of our control when playing: If you have 70+ man zergs where we bring 50 man-zergs into the game, there's not that much you can do. If the enemies are bad, you can of course achieve wins, but if both zergs are somewhat competent, size matters a lot more than skill. Maybe that's what you are aiming at with your question?
    Changes to the underlying mechanics would be huge, though. I am not sure any solution can be designed and implemented short-term, even coming up with a concept to deal with these issues could be costly, and if not that many people play WvW, it might not be worth the invest.
    Also if you implement measures to counter imbalances there's the risk of people viewing that as "now we can laze about; the players which perform worse are boosted by the game anyway", so special care has to be taken with such measures if the aim is to promote a healthy competition!

    Does Guild Wars 2 gaming culture promotes Toxic Elitism

    As most of GW2 content is centered around cooperative gameplay and it does quite a good job at that, I''ll have to voice a clear NO on this one. There are some exceptions, where I have seen salty / toxic behavior. When certain hard world bosses fail, there always seem to be a few thickheads trying to ruin the whole experience, especially for the commander. I would not pin that on the game, though. It's just certain people being certain people.
    I've seen some salt and even toxic behavior in raids, while training with random pugs. Enough salt indeed to keep me away from the game mode. But does the game promote such behavior? Surely not. I don't see a single element in the game, which would reward people for behaving that way.

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  • Vova.2640Vova.2640 Member ✭✭✭

    If you check the latest populations, we have only 2 full servers and 1 very high. rest are high and medium. It may be too late at this point...

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