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  • DonArkanio.6419DonArkanio.6419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @yann.1946 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @yann.1946 said:
    I'm really bot sure if this post is saterical or not

    Why would it be "satirical"? Many people think that way, including myself. So sick of cat ears and other "cutesy stuff" in this game. Bleh. It's worse than any of the sci-fi inspired stuff that kills immersion.

    Because,

    Being cute doesn't kill immersion. In the sense that cute things are things in the real world. People wear catears in the real world to for example. So can you explain what about bering cute kills immersion?

    An argument about Sci fi could be made, but then the Asura where part of the aesthetic from the beginning.

    But GW2 isn't a real world, is it? The comparison really makes no sense.

    You can be immersed in a specific world setting that the game offers. F.e. GW, which's aesthetics at launch used to be of fantasy, medieval, sci-fi and mythological. Then came the trend of the Eastern market cosmetics which brought a lot of sparkly and shiny skins (that could also be great without any effects at all). We started to get infusions and skins like Fox Ears or weapons close to a Legendary designs for Gems.
    Now, was it always this way? - No.
    The direction of the aesthetics is being mixed (badly in my opinion) too much. There is no solution at this point, but just make all models standard i options, and you still see the infusion's effects.

    An example:
    You buy a product because it appeals to you. It changes so that you no longer experience things you liked about this product, so you become frustrated. GW2 was bound to change, it's an MMO. But the aesthetics is a very major and important part of it.

  • @DonArkanio.6419 said:

    @yann.1946 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @yann.1946 said:
    I'm really bot sure if this post is saterical or not

    Why would it be "satirical"? Many people think that way, including myself. So sick of cat ears and other "cutesy stuff" in this game. Bleh. It's worse than any of the sci-fi inspired stuff that kills immersion.

    Because,

    Being cute doesn't kill immersion. In the sense that cute things are things in the real world. People wear catears in the real world to for example. So can you explain what about bering cute kills immersion?

    An argument about Sci fi could be made, but then the Asura where part of the aesthetic from the beginning.

    But GW2 isn't a real world, is it? The comparison really makes no sense.

    Give up, most people have no idea about world building. You're talking to a wall.

  • borgs.6103borgs.6103 Member ✭✭✭

    Next step would be:
    Raptor Police Car
    Jackal Sports Car
    Springer ICBM
    Skimmer Yacht
    Griffon Jet

    Make it happen Anet. Don't you want money?

    Apathy is death.

  • Ultramex.1506Ultramex.1506 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
    BEHOLD, my furry baby! Tremble in fear!

    Those speech clouds make it even better

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DonArkanio.6419 said:

    @yann.1946 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @yann.1946 said:
    I'm really bot sure if this post is saterical or not

    Why would it be "satirical"? Many people think that way, including myself. So sick of cat ears and other "cutesy stuff" in this game. Bleh. It's worse than any of the sci-fi inspired stuff that kills immersion.

    Because,

    Being cute doesn't kill immersion. In the sense that cute things are things in the real world. People wear catears in the real world to for example. So can you explain what about bering cute kills immersion?

    An argument about Sci fi could be made, but then the Asura where part of the aesthetic from the beginning.

    But GW2 isn't a real world, is it? The comparison really makes no sense.

    You can be immersed in a specific world setting that the game offers. F.e. GW, which's aesthetics at launch used to be of fantasy, medieval, sci-fi and mythological. Then came the trend of the Eastern market cosmetics which brought a lot of sparkly and shiny skins (that could also be great without any effects at all). We started to get infusions and skins like Fox Ears or weapons close to a Legendary designs for Gems.
    Now, was it always this way? - No.
    The direction of the aesthetics is being mixed (badly in my opinion) too much. There is no solution at this point, but just make all models standard i options, and you still see the infusion's effects.

    An example:
    You buy a product because it appeals to you. It changes so that you no longer experience things you liked about this product, so you become frustrated. GW2 was bound to change, it's an MMO. But the aesthetics is a very major and important part of it.

    While I agree to some degree about infusions etc.

    My point is that complaining that something is cute and as such breaks the mold in gw2 is silly. As

    A) the quaggan where a thing from the beginning.

    B) Their are lots of thing which are cute but git the theme of gw2 well. The bunny, moas etc.

    now we can argue about why some cute things break immersion. But than the complains should be about what specific thing in the aesthetic breaks immersion.

    Not use an umbrella term

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sc-fi <> Asuran magi-tech

    Look at what the Asura and Inquest originally looked like in GW2, then look at the silly sci-fi suits (outfits) and also at sci-fi weapon skins like the Dominator set. :s Totally breaks the design of the game.

    And so do imperial uniforms from the 19th century and other design decisions that were implemented and don't fit into the game's design.

  • Fashion trends can change in societies. It happens here; I imagine it can happen in Tyria, as well.

  • Hashberry.4510Hashberry.4510 Member ✭✭✭

    I never enjoy the SciTech side but do you see me ranting about it, nooooooo =) .

  • Warkind.6745Warkind.6745 Member ✭✭✭

    Sorry, but if I can't have a katana, bikini, and big ears on everything then what's the point?

    All is vain.

  • I still think there is room for moe cute - like a giant cat-looking mount. It can curl up in a ball and nap or pounce on my toon when when idle.

  • Diak Atoli.2085Diak Atoli.2085 Member ✭✭✭

    @XatraZaytrax.2601 said:
    I still think there is room for moe cute - like a giant cat-looking mount. It can curl up in a ball and nap or pounce on my toon when when idle.

    Affronted huff. Toothless is a dragon, good person, not a cat.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I tend to agree. All of the overblown, overly cute, cosmetic options in game do have an impact on my perception of the game world and my character's place in it, even if I do not buy them.

    But they fund the aspects of the game I do like so, meh.

    It does mean that I have never connected with the world of GW2 as well as I have with other games, including gw1, in the past. GW2 is Teen Titans Go.

  • DonArkanio.6419DonArkanio.6419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wonder how ANet is going to monetize LWS5.
    If the cute shiny cosmetics are the way to go, then that's it.

    I actually Hope they don't make it F2P for PoF owners. This game turns into mobile MMO really. In open world, you could easily pop up an autopilot.

    The cosmetics don't help at all. I don't believe that this is a sustainable approach.

  • This thread makes me wanna buy that skin, for very specific reasons :D. kitten, that 2000 gems though.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2019

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    I thought I was the only one who felt this way, one of the guilds I was in basically laughed me off and told me I was weird for wanting the stuff I do. ( I want like viking werebeasts that the norn WERE and I want better cosmetic options with bones, fur and hide with tons of cool celtic/nordic themes. Then they tell me "Ewww, f that why would anyone want that? I want more naruto, maybe a jacket like the hokage.) And I just legit cant.

    I could see them doing this kitten too, the game was once a dark fantasy almost akin to warhammer. And now its high fantasy with cute little tropes and anime references; They gut a lot of the cool races and won't let anyone be cool in this world. We get what to slay gods? Lame. We don't explore the dragons or their reality warping or even their origin and we don't get dark plots with everything being explained away via deus ex. I want to end the foe-fire threat, I want to go into the mists and explore melandru's realm and go to places unseen. Hell Id love to go back to the realm of torment, see where abbadon fell and learn more about the world itself and the realms between this and the next. I don't feel like the target audience infact I Feel like the game actively does stuff to push me out, like they are trying to get people like me who loved their dark fantasy world in guild wars 1 to just leave so they can make more hello-kitty anime world.

    I miss what this games world was, and I almost loathe what its become. The last living world season did ALOT for me and made me happy with how dark it was; But I don't trust it to continue to go more toward dark fantasy. Mainly because of A-net, I have no faith or trust and this announcement on the 30th is kind of where I might draw the line. I'm so worried that the announcement will be some kitten hello-kitty stuff, and that all the things I want to have happen won't happen and that scares the hell out of me because I WANT to enjoy this game. But as of now I log in to character select and I kind of just log back off because I have no motivation and no hope for the future... I want them to remember their roots... and go back to the dark. Make the cute the exception, the rare glimmer of light that can make us feel at ease... not the other way around because when all the zones are beautiful alight with life and light? Then nothing can really capture your awe. Those light areas in dark games are always the ones that captivate people the most... because they are like a beacon of hope in the darkest of places. Right now its almost the exact opposite. (Guild wars 2 feels like Age of sigmar, which makes Eye of the north the end times. They ended the good and came up with this... high fantasy shenanigans.)

    took words out of my mouth.

    The most disastrous effect can be seen in the WvW, it looks more like a carnival parade than a fight between "soldiers hordes".

    "It's a testament to the folly of the humans and their gods. They say Arah was sacred, but all I see is one big dragon nest."(Rytlock Brimstone)

  • Thundabolt.8541Thundabolt.8541 Member ✭✭✭

    @XenoSpyro.1780 said:

    @Thundabolt.8541 said:
    Every day I grow more bored of this pre millennial masculinity front. Are things just never allowed to be cute and appealing? Is there some kind of fear of cute things affecting the way you play? I'm almost certain this is the same attitude of "female charr shouldn't wear feminine clothing" and "the SAB weapons break muh immersion".
    I don't believe there's such a thing as "too many cute things". I just think people are trying way too hard to be manly men.

    Imagine trying this hard to be anti-cool and anti-kitten, by writing off legit concerns as a front. I'm actually astounded that you didn't attach the typical post-millenial buzzword 'toxic' to that.

    Imagine trying so hard to be cool that you can't do it if there's cute things in the vicinity.

  • I got the skin in a chest drop. Which was SUPER LUCKY because I was wanting to buy it but I’m always on the fence about mount skins since I’m still trying to master other things in the game and I only have raptor and warclaw unlocked so far, but I really like it! His ears are ADORABLE.

  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    I find it funny that a non-roleplayer is complaining about lore more than roleplayers are. And no, I am not talking about the ERP addicts/anime obsessed weirdos that stalk the Divinity's Reach, I am talking about the roleplayers that go around the world and actually roleplay their immersive adventures with the dice, stats, dungeon-diving, and immersive outfits.

    If roleplayers can complain less, I am sure the non-roleplayer players can find ways to enjoy their immersion as well.

    How do you know I’m not a roleplayer? I was on Tarnished Coast before you were even using forums.

  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Thundabolt.8541 said:
    Every day I grow more bored of this pre millennial masculinity front. Are things just never allowed to be cute and appealing? Is there some kind of fear of cute things affecting the way you play? I'm almost certain this is the same attitude of "female charr shouldn't wear feminine clothing" and "the SAB weapons break muh immersion".

    I don't believe there's such a thing as "too many cute things". I just think people are trying way too hard to be manly men.

    There's such a thing as too many cure things being immersion breaking if the game world wasn't built around cute things. Go watch any trailer for GW2 and point me at things that made you think it's some My Little Pony knockoff please.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @Thundabolt.8541 said:
    Every day I grow more bored of this pre millennial masculinity front. Are things just never allowed to be cute and appealing? Is there some kind of fear of cute things affecting the way you play? I'm almost certain this is the same attitude of "female charr shouldn't wear feminine clothing" and "the SAB weapons break muh immersion".

    I don't believe there's such a thing as "too many cute things". I just think people are trying way too hard to be manly men.

    There's such a thing as too many cure things being immersion breaking if the game world wasn't built around cute things. Go watch any trailer for GW2 and point me at things that made you think it's some My Little Pony knockoff please.

    yup; the world and aesthetics i expect from GW2

    "It's a testament to the folly of the humans and their gods. They say Arah was sacred, but all I see is one big dragon nest."(Rytlock Brimstone)

  • I love the Lightbringer and would absolutely buy the mount model if they can give us one without all the dangly bits. The armour is... meh, acceptable. But the dangly bits off the saddle are just annoying. (Would pair well with my Twin Sands mount.)

  • aceofbass.2163aceofbass.2163 Member ✭✭✭

    @borgs.6103 said:
    Next step would be:
    Raptor Police Car
    Jackal Sports Car
    Springer ICBM
    Skimmer Yacht
    Griffon Jet

    Make it happen Anet. Don't you want money?

    I would def buy the kitten out of these

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trise.2865 said:
    It's an animal. Animals are cute. That's all there is to it.

    It was a general complaint about awful supposed cutesy looks ("supposed" because they are giving me the creeps) which are supported by some of the skins, not just mounts. Some player characters look like this. :s

  • I don't like all the flashiness either, but I just ignore it. I do like the mount though. But if I can ignore all the non-lore names I see, I think others can ignore mounts they don't like.

  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 23, 2019

    @castlemanic.3198 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:
    that made you think it's some My Little Pony knockoff please.

    This is absolutely hilarious to me and makes me not take your argument seriously at all. This single-handedly torpedoed any potential value your argument may have had.

    Even if you combined all the cute things in this game into one ultra-cute thing, it still wouldn't have anything close to the vibe of MLP or any other fallacious examples you can think of, because GW2 has not ever been solely exclusively about dark things. There's nuance in the storytelling and environment that lends itself to both cute and dark things, hope and doubt, violence and healing. In a world of elder dragons and the potential destruction of reality itself, you still have children throwing snowballs at each other, that's literally a heart you can participate in. Cute animals have always existed in Tyria and the devs have never shied away from having anything that is positive or peaceful because this story has never been about 'super serious dark world fantasy where no one smiles'. The game has so much nuance to it, so much of both dark and light, cute and horrifying, and it all fits together because the devs have carefully created the world to extend to both ends of that range and more. The world has depth, the story has depth, and if you choose not to see that depth, then you're unfortunately missing a large part of what makes GW2 work. If you're so upset that cute things exist in this game, then maybe this game isn't for you, since it's had cute things from the beginning. And it will continue to do so because GW2 has enough depth to allow the gallant lightbearer to exist alongside some truly dark things like Sikandar. There's room in tyria for both the cute and the ultra dark.

    GW1 on the left, GW2 on the right.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want a grimdark hellhole. But I also don't want to play a game on the other end of the spectrum, and GW2 is headed straight there. There's a limit and GW2 is way past the point where I could take this game seriously. It's an abomination and a mockery of the franchise as far as aesthetics go.

    https://i.redd.it/e6eottnci8l21.jpg

  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 23, 2019

    @castlemanic.3198 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:
    GW1 on the left, GW2 on the right.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want a grimdark hellhole. But I also don't want to play a game on the other end of the spectrum, and GW2 is headed straight there. There's a limit and GW2 is way past the point where I could take this game seriously. It's an abomination and a mockery of the franchise as far as aesthetics go.

    https://i.redd.it/e6eottnci8l21.jpg

    The GW1 example is an NPC, a creation by arenanet who have direct control over every aspect of an NPC's look. The GW2 example you provided is a player creation, one that while Anet gave the tools to create it, is not what the devs themselves have created for NPCs or the look in the world through the use of NPCs. If you want to make a comparison, make it a GW1 NPC and a GW2 NPC. Don't mix and match, because that doesn't help you or prove your argument in any way.

    But they did give the tools to create it. Which is what this thread is all about. The store is breaking immersion, hard, and is only getting worse with floating gaming chairs and such.

    How many immersion breaking or overly cute things were in the game as gemstore offerings or ingame rewards at launch? Can't really recall any. Look at where we are now. Anything goes if it brings in a few bucks now..

    Most of the cute things are stuff you'd expect to see in our shopping malls, not Tyria..

  • castlemanic.3198castlemanic.3198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @witcher.3197 said:
    But they did give the tools to create it. Which is what this thread is all about. The store is breaking immersion, hard, and is only getting worse with floating gaming chairs and such.

    i mean players were breaking immersion to begin with by not having lore immersive names. If 'immersion' is your true issue then yes it was an issue since launch.

    How many immersion breaking or overly cute things were in the game as gemstore offerings or ingame rewards at launch? Can't really recall any. Look at where we are now. Anything goes if it brings in a few bucks now..

    But the Lightbearer isn't anywhere near as "lore immersion breaking" as you think, since cats, bunnies and other cute things have existed since the beginning of the game back in 2012. they made it fit thematically with the game. It's not a change in art style at all, it's a tyria looking thing but cute. Several things in tyria already look cute, having more cute things in tyria doesn't change that cute things have always existed.

    And again, for 'immersion breaking', there are a lot of things that are immersion breaking in gw2, have been since launch. There's obviously more now, because they've had 7 years of developement to add things to the game (many of which are NOT cute in any way, immersion breaking or not). So to me, it just seems that you're mad because there's cute things in the game, which is a non-argument in my opinion because like i said, GW2 has room for it. I will admit that there are things that don't hold my favour fashion wise with what they've introduced, i won't argue that there are things i may have preferred not exist, but it's not an 'immersion breaking issue' by any means. You have tools to cull player looks. Also, let people have their fun.

    As for the 'anything goes if it brings a few bucks', I agree Anet has started going in less than desirable directions when it comes to the monetization of the game and that impact on the game itself, and I won't deny that some fashion elements are an extension of that issue, but if THAT is your issue, then contributing to this thread doesn't address that, because this thread is ultimately not about the shady things that arenanet does.

    From where i'm standing, you're either worried about immersion, which was being broken since the early entry days, Tyria theming, which has always had room for cute things, or you're worried about unethical business practices, in which case this thread isn't the place to talk about it because it's specifcally not addressing that issue.

    Whataboutism is disingenuous at best. If you join a debate and provide little to no proof when the other side provides lots of evidence, you can't then declare yourself the winner of that debate.

  • Jamtaur.9628Jamtaur.9628 Member ✭✭
    edited August 23, 2019

    But they did give the tools to create it. Which is what this thread is all about. The store is breaking immersion, hard, and is only getting worse with floating gaming chairs and such.

    How many immersion breaking or overly cute things were in the game as gemstore offerings or ingame rewards at launch? Can't really recall any. Look at where we are now. Anything goes if it brings in a few bucks now..

    Most of the cute things are stuff you'd expect to see in our shopping malls, not Tyria..

    Gw2-64_2019-08-20_15-10-41.png

    Evon Gnashblade has somehow (and sketchy) come into possession of a bunch of Inquest chairs, and is selling them through the Black Lion Trading Company to any willing buyers.
    There's your immersion.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @castlemanic.3198 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:
    But they did give the tools to create it. Which is what this thread is all about. The store is breaking immersion, hard, and is only getting worse with floating gaming chairs and such.

    i mean players were breaking immersion to begin with by not having lore immersive names. If 'immersion' is your true issue then yes it was an issue since launch.

    How many immersion breaking or overly cute things were in the game as gemstore offerings or ingame rewards at launch? Can't really recall any. Look at where we are now. Anything goes if it brings in a few bucks now..

    But the Lightbearer isn't anywhere near as "lore immersion breaking" as you think, since cats, bunnies and other cute things have existed since the beginning of the game back in 2012. they made it fit thematically with the game. It's not a change in art style at all, it's a tyria looking thing but cute. Several things in tyria already look cute, having more cute things in tyria doesn't change that cute things have always existed.

    And again, for 'immersion breaking', there are a lot of things that are immersion breaking in gw2, have been since launch. There's obviously more now, because they've had 7 years of developement to add things to the game (many of which are NOT cute in any way, immersion breaking or not). So to me, it just seems that you're mad because there's cute things in the game, which is a non-argument in my opinion because like i said, GW2 has room for it. I will admit that there are things that don't hold my favour fashion wise with what they've introduced, i won't argue that there are things i may have preferred not exist, but it's not an 'immersion breaking issue' by any means. You have tools to cull player looks. Also, let people have their fun.

    As for the 'anything goes if it brings a few bucks', I agree Anet has started going in less than desirable directions when it comes to the monetization of the game and that impact on the game itself, and I won't deny that some fashion elements are an extension of that issue, but if THAT is your issue, then contributing to this thread doesn't address that, because this thread is ultimately not about the shady things that arenanet does.

    From where i'm standing, you're either worried about immersion, which was being broken since the early entry days, Tyria theming, which has always had room for cute things, or you're worried about unethical business practices, in which case this thread isn't the place to talk about it because it's specifcally not addressing that issue.

    Increasing something's presence increases its impact.

  • Sojourner.4621Sojourner.4621 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 23, 2019

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @Ototo.3214 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @Ototo.3214 said:
    Wut.
    That's the new raptor skin right? I wouldn't call any of its other skins overly cute or anything. Don't see what's wrong with it getting a cute skin for all the people that prefer that aesthetic.

    It's impossible to ignore. I don't buy any. And? They still fill up my screen to the point where I want to puke.

    I see tons of fashion and color choices in game that I think look hideous. But who cares, it's not my character. Don't stand near people I guess?

    Ah yes, don't stand near people. How do I do that in an MMO short of not logging in?

    Maybe that's an option to look at if releasing a cute skin is enough to cause you this much grief.

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭

    The only thing that really bothers me about this new raptor is the 'stiffness' and the armor...it also looks like it has a really large head compared to its body? Somehow tail is shorter than usual and the head is too big? Could be just me.
    I didn't buy this one as it strikes me as odd. I don't know if I find it cute or weird. :thinking:

    Either way it's optional so good for people who like it!
    Dredgenaught Raptor is one menacing beast, so having a cute-looking one isn't harming anyone.

    I would, however, love if the game took on a more serious and darker approach with story and dialogue, as sometimes the 'needless' humor truly does ruin the whole purpose/feel of the threats we are facing and makes me cringe.
    Mount skins aren't something I'll complain about as they're purely optional.

  • Sojourner.4621Sojourner.4621 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 23, 2019

    @Blur.3465 said:
    The only thing that really bothers me about this new raptor is the 'stiffness' and the armor...it also looks like it has a really large head compared to its body? Somehow tail is shorter than usual and the head is too big? Could be just me.
    I didn't buy this one as it strikes me as odd. I don't know if I find it cute or weird. :thinking:

    Either way it's optional so good for people who like it!
    Dredgenaught Raptor is one menacing beast, so having a cute-looking one isn't harming anyone.

    I would, however, love if the game took on a more serious and darker approach with story and dialogue, as sometimes the 'needless' humor truly does ruin the whole purpose/feel of the threats we are facing and makes me cringe.
    Mount skins aren't something I'll complain about as they're purely optional.

    Is it that needless, though? For a lot of people graveyard humor and sarcasm is how they cope with tragedy. I don't know that many soldiers who have actually been to combat zones that don't have a pretty over-developed sense of humor, particularly when some might consider the timing inappropriate. To me this honestly feels consistent with reality.

    For my part on the topic, I personally want a "mammalian" type skin for every mount, and this one fits the bill well enough for me to have purchased it. It has little to do with cuteness factor. I think there should be variety, and am happy to see it. I personally hate the Dreadnought raptor, but don't begrudge it existing or anyone else having it, and don't think it is ruining the game by being there.

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 23, 2019

    @Sojourner.4621 said:

    @Blur.3465 said:
    The only thing that really bothers me about this new raptor is the 'stiffness' and the armor...it also looks like it has a really large head compared to its body? Somehow tail is shorter than usual and the head is too big? Could be just me.
    I didn't buy this one as it strikes me as odd. I don't know if I find it cute or weird. :thinking:

    Either way it's optional so good for people who like it!
    Dredgenaught Raptor is one menacing beast, so having a cute-looking one isn't harming anyone.

    I would, however, love if the game took on a more serious and darker approach with story and dialogue, as sometimes the 'needless' humor truly does ruin the whole purpose/feel of the threats we are facing and makes me cringe.
    Mount skins aren't something I'll complain about as they're purely optional.

    Is it that needless, though? For a lot of people graveyard humor and sarcasm is how they cope with tragedy. I don't know that many soldiers who have actually been to combat zones that don't have a pretty over-developed sense of humor, particularly when some might consider the timing inappropriate. To me this honestly feels consistent with reality.

    In many cases it's waaaay too over-used and annoying, where I just roll my eyes. I myself use humor to overcome bad things in life, but there's a time for humor and there's a time for some seriousness and taking the situation seriously and not like a stroll through the park, honestly.
    I really appreciated "All or Nothing" because of unexpected twist to the story and finally some seriousness to the situation.
    I liked the feel and atmosphere of GW1 story as it balanced these things really well. In GW2 there's a ton of silly situations where you just can't take a threat seriously at all, or world for that matter.

  • Sojourner.4621Sojourner.4621 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blur.3465 said:

    @Sojourner.4621 said:

    @Blur.3465 said:
    The only thing that really bothers me about this new raptor is the 'stiffness' and the armor...it also looks like it has a really large head compared to its body? Somehow tail is shorter than usual and the head is too big? Could be just me.
    I didn't buy this one as it strikes me as odd. I don't know if I find it cute or weird. :thinking:

    Either way it's optional so good for people who like it!
    Dredgenaught Raptor is one menacing beast, so having a cute-looking one isn't harming anyone.

    I would, however, love if the game took on a more serious and darker approach with story and dialogue, as sometimes the 'needless' humor truly does ruin the whole purpose/feel of the threats we are facing and makes me cringe.
    Mount skins aren't something I'll complain about as they're purely optional.

    Is it that needless, though? For a lot of people graveyard humor and sarcasm is how they cope with tragedy. I don't know that many soldiers who have actually been to combat zones that don't have a pretty over-developed sense of humor, particularly when some might consider the timing inappropriate. To me this honestly feels consistent with reality.

    In many cases it's waaaay too over-used and annoying, where I just roll my eyes. I myself use humor to overcome bad things in life, but there's a time for humor and there's a time for some seriousness and taking the situation seriously and not like a stroll through the park, honestly.
    I really appreciated "All or Nothing" because of unexpected twist to the story and finally some seriousness to the situation.
    I like the feel and atmosphere of GW1 story as it balanced these things really well. In GW2 there's a ton of silly situations where you just can't take a threat seriously at all, or world for that matter.

    There was a pretty decent balance of humor in GW1 I think... it's the story in that one that.... wasn't great (at least prophecies which was a disjointed mess of dropped plot threads and the main character failing upwards. Factions was the best of the three story-wise.)

  • Blur.3465Blur.3465 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sojourner.4621 said:

    @Blur.3465 said:

    @Sojourner.4621 said:

    @Blur.3465 said:
    The only thing that really bothers me about this new raptor is the 'stiffness' and the armor...it also looks like it has a really large head compared to its body? Somehow tail is shorter than usual and the head is too big? Could be just me.
    I didn't buy this one as it strikes me as odd. I don't know if I find it cute or weird. :thinking:

    Either way it's optional so good for people who like it!
    Dredgenaught Raptor is one menacing beast, so having a cute-looking one isn't harming anyone.

    I would, however, love if the game took on a more serious and darker approach with story and dialogue, as sometimes the 'needless' humor truly does ruin the whole purpose/feel of the threats we are facing and makes me cringe.
    Mount skins aren't something I'll complain about as they're purely optional.

    Is it that needless, though? For a lot of people graveyard humor and sarcasm is how they cope with tragedy. I don't know that many soldiers who have actually been to combat zones that don't have a pretty over-developed sense of humor, particularly when some might consider the timing inappropriate. To me this honestly feels consistent with reality.

    In many cases it's waaaay too over-used and annoying, where I just roll my eyes. I myself use humor to overcome bad things in life, but there's a time for humor and there's a time for some seriousness and taking the situation seriously and not like a stroll through the park, honestly.
    I really appreciated "All or Nothing" because of unexpected twist to the story and finally some seriousness to the situation.
    I like the feel and atmosphere of GW1 story as it balanced these things really well. In GW2 there's a ton of silly situations where you just can't take a threat seriously at all, or world for that matter.

    There was a pretty decent balance of humor in GW1 I think... it's the story in that one that.... wasn't great (at least prophecies which was a disjointed mess of dropped plot threads and the main character failing upwards. Factions was the best of the three story-wise.)

    Exactly what I said. Humor is well balanced with the story, while in GW2 I feel it's a little over the top, where it just makes the world and story silly, sadly.
    Don't want to derail the thread though, back to discussing the lil' raptor!

  • castlemanic.3198castlemanic.3198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @castlemanic.3198 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:
    But they did give the tools to create it. Which is what this thread is all about. The store is breaking immersion, hard, and is only getting worse with floating gaming chairs and such.

    i mean players were breaking immersion to begin with by not having lore immersive names. If 'immersion' is your true issue then yes it was an issue since launch.

    How many immersion breaking or overly cute things were in the game as gemstore offerings or ingame rewards at launch? Can't really recall any. Look at where we are now. Anything goes if it brings in a few bucks now..

    But the Lightbearer isn't anywhere near as "lore immersion breaking" as you think, since cats, bunnies and other cute things have existed since the beginning of the game back in 2012. they made it fit thematically with the game. It's not a change in art style at all, it's a tyria looking thing but cute. Several things in tyria already look cute, having more cute things in tyria doesn't change that cute things have always existed.

    And again, for 'immersion breaking', there are a lot of things that are immersion breaking in gw2, have been since launch. There's obviously more now, because they've had 7 years of developement to add things to the game (many of which are NOT cute in any way, immersion breaking or not). So to me, it just seems that you're mad because there's cute things in the game, which is a non-argument in my opinion because like i said, GW2 has room for it. I will admit that there are things that don't hold my favour fashion wise with what they've introduced, i won't argue that there are things i may have preferred not exist, but it's not an 'immersion breaking issue' by any means. You have tools to cull player looks. Also, let people have their fun.

    As for the 'anything goes if it brings a few bucks', I agree Anet has started going in less than desirable directions when it comes to the monetization of the game and that impact on the game itself, and I won't deny that some fashion elements are an extension of that issue, but if THAT is your issue, then contributing to this thread doesn't address that, because this thread is ultimately not about the shady things that arenanet does.

    From where i'm standing, you're either worried about immersion, which was being broken since the early entry days, Tyria theming, which has always had room for cute things, or you're worried about unethical business practices, in which case this thread isn't the place to talk about it because it's specifcally not addressing that issue.

    Increasing something's presence increases its impact.

    True, but that doesn't really address any of the points being made.

    Whataboutism is disingenuous at best. If you join a debate and provide little to no proof when the other side provides lots of evidence, you can't then declare yourself the winner of that debate.

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