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Can the token count for this PLEASE be reduced? I'm wanting to make Legendary armor from WvW because I really enjoy the game mode and I want to get the best armor, but the cost this specific item is just ridiculous. Looking on the wiki, it takes 21 weeks of hitting the weekly cap to have enough to craft legendary armor, assuming you use tokens for nothing else during that time. Isn't that a little ridiculous? I get it's the best armor you can have, but is time gating it to THIS extent really necessary? If it can't be reduced, can the weekly cap on skirmish tokens be raised instead?

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  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Please hold, while a wvw player representative will be in shortly to tell you we earn enough skirmish tickets per week, as they are currently flooded with tickets with nothing to do with them.

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  • knite.1542knite.1542 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    Lol. People always wanting a refund for a price change. My graphics card was $500 when I bought it and it's $300 now. Where's my money, NVIDIA?

    Where did you get that from? I'm not making a claim either way. I don't make assumptions like this to push my ideas ... and neither should anyone else.

  • I already threw out the option of raising token caps per week if reducing it was an issue, and fair enough to the people that got it already and don't know what to do with their tokens. So how about a middle ground solution and increase the weekly cap with lots more useful and valuable things to get them with? Win/win for newer people coming into WvW and veterans that have plenty of things they want to make use of.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    How ‘bout no?

    Or maybe we get LIs from Raids in a WvW track?

  • Hitman.5829Hitman.5829 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have 2 sets of full WvW legendary gear and I am working on my 3rd, all I need are the materials that cost a lot in the TP. I have 3000+ WvW tickets to spare.
    The reason why you can't get enough WvW tickets eludes me...

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  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    making first pve leg armor set is 10 weeks, than 20 for every other. 21 in wvw is not that terrible as u think.
    but yeah they could make something as in pve, so first set would be chiper

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • knite.1542knite.1542 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    It would be a cool change but I doubt it will happen.

    Where did you get that from? I'm not making a claim either way. I don't make assumptions like this to push my ideas ... and neither should anyone else.

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hitman.5829 said:
    I have 2 sets of full WvW legendary gear and I am working on my 3rd, all I need are the materials that cost a lot in the TP. I have 3000+ WvW tickets to spare.
    The reason why you can't get enough WvW tickets eludes me...

    Yup,

    I have a few thousand rotting because I have halted my mesmers legendary armor in wvw.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    People having too many useless tickets just means the tickets are useless, not that the pace is balanced, lol.

    Insight stays the same. Increase the weekly tickets to like 450, reduce the ring cost, and actually put things worth buying there. Also the Grandmaster Mark/shard kitten is a complete joke. I suggest stuff like Guild Siege, Mystic Coins, or something of value, but then again we all know nobody actually cares about WvW.

    I don't even get diamond chests most weeks anyways.

  • Krypto.2069Krypto.2069 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    OP, I have all 3 Legendary Mistforged Triumphant Hero armor sets, a handful of Mistforged Hero weapons (the ones that I wanted) and Warbringer. And, like others, I too am sitting on 4K+ tickets at the moment. Like you, WvW is my favorite game mode, so I'm in there often for the MAYHEM and GLORY! :smiley: Just give it time, kill and have fun and you too will have what you want and more tickets than you know what to do with. :+1:

    (Some goals in GW2 are short-term, others midterm and others long-term. I see the WvW T3 Legendary armor as a midterm goal.)

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  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    If you haven't been playing 21 weeks of WvW then you don't deserve to have a full legendary WvW set as everyone else before you has done it. Just upgrade the chest+ leg piece first. The largest stall is the lower tier materials for most people , which was alleviated by reward tracks' monetary value to a minimal extent.

    If there's anything that needs to be gutted it's the concept of max 4 grandmaster mark shards per week. For people not buying the shiny version of the armor it is going to be a long time before they are semi-worthwhile.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    if they are going to reduce WvW legendary armor, they need to reduce PvP version too

    as much as I'd love to have the requirements reduced, but I do think it needs the extra effort, players should not be entitled to get the best and shiniest gear easily consider it's guaranteed to obtained and continue to stay relevant; compare to linear style mmos that uses RNG, it's much less effort

    i've lost count of how many incomplete WoW's purple sets I went through, everytime an expansion comes it was back to gear grind, praying to god of rng it will drop the gear i need, and i win the dice rolls

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  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "i just joined wvw, need leggy armor, and it takes too long! PLZ NERF"
    Just play, enjoy the mode, if its your thing. If not, get pve leggy armor, much faster.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    @CutesySylveon.8290 said:
    Can the token count for this PLEASE be reduced? I'm wanting to make Legendary armor from WvW because I really enjoy the game mode and I want to get the best armor, but the cost this specific item is just ridiculous. Looking on the wiki, it takes 21 weeks of hitting the weekly cap to have enough to craft legendary armor, assuming you use tokens for nothing else during that time. Isn't that a little ridiculous? I get it's the best armor you can have, but is time gating it to THIS extent really necessary? If it can't be reduced, can the weekly cap on skirmish tokens be raised instead?

    WvW legendary armor is not balanced around people new to the game mode.

    Look at how pip gain is distributed around WvW rank. It's not uncommon for WvW regulars to gain 2 times the pips a new player makes in his first few weeks thus reducing the time it takes to cap out on skirmish tickets per week.

    The other aspect is the semi afk nature which WvW provides. There is people barely active making tons of pips simply by flipping an occasional camp and keeping their participation up.

    Finally, legendary armor is in no way needed nor do you need legendary armor within your first 5-15 weeks of playing WvW (or ever to be honest). Get multiple exotic sets and make different builds first, then if you enjoy the game mode, you will have the skirmish tickets eventually.

  • NuhDah.9812NuhDah.9812 Member ✭✭✭

    Isn't reaching the required rank taking longer than getting the required tokens?

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    Isn't reaching the required rank taking longer than getting the required tokens?

    Required rank?

    The only requirement for rank is the top tier legendary WvW armor.

    Entry level legendary, which has all of the functionality of top tier legendary and raid legendary, has absolutely no rank requirement.

    If you want the top tier one? Well then, enjoy your stay. It’s gonna take a while. And afk pip gain won’t help.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    Isn't reaching the required rank taking longer than getting the required tokens?

    You are mistaken. The armor pieces required for legendary armor is the Triumphant or Mistforged Triumphant set. Only the Mistforged Triumphant armor has rank requirements while the Triumphant does not.

    Yes, by the time you reach WvW rank 2k you are highly likely to have enough tickets for a legendary armor but even then, the Triumphant armor will cost you 7,880 Skirmish Tickets versus the 9,190 Skirmish Tickets for the Mistforged set.

    This armor retains the visual look of the Triumphant Hero's armor or Mistforged Triumphant Hero's armor. You need to reach WvW rank 2000 if you want to obtain the full set of Mistforged Triumphant Hero's armor. You can get a full set of legendary armor with Triumphant Hero's armor as well.

  • @Krypto.2069 said:
    OP, I have all 3 Legendary Mistforged Triumphant Hero armor sets, a handful of Mistforged Hero weapons (the ones that I wanted) and Warbringer. And, like others, I too am sitting on 4K+ tickets at the moment. Like you, WvW is my favorite game mode, so I'm in there often for the MAYHEM and GLORY! :smiley: Just give it time, kill and have fun and you too will have what you want and more tickets than you know what to do with. :+1:

    (Some goals in GW2 are short-term, others midterm and others long-term. I see the WvW T3 Legendary armor as a midterm goal.)

    Cheers!

    Just curious. In order to complete three sets of armor, that would have required a seriously large amount of T5 & T6 mats. Did you throw gold at the problem, or just farm the mats?

  • NuhDah.9812NuhDah.9812 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    Isn't reaching the required rank taking longer than getting the required tokens?

    Required rank?

    The only requirement for rank is the top tier legendary WvW armor.

    Entry level legendary, which has all of the functionality of top tier legendary and raid legendary, has absolutely no rank requirement.

    If you want the top tier one? Well then, enjoy your stay. It’s gonna take a while. And afk pip gain won’t help.

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    Isn't reaching the required rank taking longer than getting the required tokens?

    You are mistaken. The armor pieces required for legendary armor is the Triumphant or Mistforged Triumphant set. Only the Mistforged Triumphant armor has rank requirements while the Triumphant does not.

    Yes, by the time you reach WvW rank 2k you are highly likely to have enough tickets for a legendary armor but even then, the Triumphant armor will cost you 7,880 Skirmish Tickets versus the 9,190 Skirmish Tickets for the Mistforged set.

    This armor retains the visual look of the Triumphant Hero's armor or Mistforged Triumphant Hero's armor. You need to reach WvW rank 2000 if you want to obtain the full set of Mistforged Triumphant Hero's armor. You can get a full set of legendary armor with Triumphant Hero's armor as well.

    Oh, cool, so there are 2 tiers of legendary armor and only the more prestigious one has the high rank requirement. I need to do my homework, thanks for clarifying it to me.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NuhDah.9812 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    Isn't reaching the required rank taking longer than getting the required tokens?

    Required rank?

    The only requirement for rank is the top tier legendary WvW armor.

    Entry level legendary, which has all of the functionality of top tier legendary and raid legendary, has absolutely no rank requirement.

    If you want the top tier one? Well then, enjoy your stay. It’s gonna take a while. And afk pip gain won’t help.

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    Isn't reaching the required rank taking longer than getting the required tokens?

    You are mistaken. The armor pieces required for legendary armor is the Triumphant or Mistforged Triumphant set. Only the Mistforged Triumphant armor has rank requirements while the Triumphant does not.

    Yes, by the time you reach WvW rank 2k you are highly likely to have enough tickets for a legendary armor but even then, the Triumphant armor will cost you 7,880 Skirmish Tickets versus the 9,190 Skirmish Tickets for the Mistforged set.

    This armor retains the visual look of the Triumphant Hero's armor or Mistforged Triumphant Hero's armor. You need to reach WvW rank 2000 if you want to obtain the full set of Mistforged Triumphant Hero's armor. You can get a full set of legendary armor with Triumphant Hero's armor as well.

    Oh, cool, so there are 2 tiers of legendary armor and only the more prestigious one has the high rank requirement. I need to do my homework, thanks for clarifying it to me.

    It’s still a lot, but there is a lot of misinformation. The wiki is pretty good about it that @Cyninja.2954 linked.

  • Krypto.2069Krypto.2069 Member ✭✭✭

    @smithkt.8062 said:

    @Krypto.2069 said:
    OP, I have all 3 Legendary Mistforged Triumphant Hero armor sets, a handful of Mistforged Hero weapons (the ones that I wanted) and Warbringer. And, like others, I too am sitting on 4K+ tickets at the moment. Like you, WvW is my favorite game mode, so I'm in there often for the MAYHEM and GLORY! :smiley: Just give it time, kill and have fun and you too will have what you want and more tickets than you know what to do with. :+1:

    (Some goals in GW2 are short-term, others midterm and others long-term. I see the WvW T3 Legendary armor as a midterm goal.)

    Cheers!

    Just curious. In order to complete three sets of armor, that would have required a seriously large amount of T5 & T6 mats. Did you throw gold at the problem, or just farm the mats?

    Generally speaking when making legendaries, I mostly farm the gold and not the mats (especially in the case of T5 mats, which are usually dirt cheap). This way my play time is better spent imo. With that said, any mats I acquire killing, salvaging, or occasionally node gathering, I hoard to minimize costs.

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  • RedShark.9548RedShark.9548 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Op, ascended gear has the same stat values as legendary and is waaaaay cheaper, you can craft several ascended sets with the same cost of one legy set. Legy is just more convenient, but if you just want to maximize stats just go ascended

  • Cristalyan.5728Cristalyan.5728 Member ✭✭✭

    @Krypto.2069 said:
    OP, I have all 3 Legendary Mistforged Triumphant Hero armor sets, a handful of Mistforged Hero weapons (the ones that I wanted) and Warbringer. And, like others, I too am sitting on 4K+ tickets at the moment. Like you, WvW is my favorite game mode, so I'm in there often for the MAYHEM and GLORY! :smiley: Just give it time, kill and have fun and you too will have what you want and more tickets than you know what to do with. :+1:

    (Some goals in GW2 are short-term, others midterm and others long-term. I see the WvW T3 Legendary armor as a midterm goal.)

    Cheers!

    I have 3 sets of Triumphant Hero's armor (the first tier legendary). I still have around 2 k tickets. So, I think I play some WvW.
    But I need over 25 k more tickets for the second tier of legendary armors. In my case, the total time needed for the 6 sets of armors is around 3 years. If you count the backpacks I want to craft for all my toons, the total time needed raises to 5 years. Is this really a midterm goal? HM. And, after this amount of time, spent in WvW, with a diamond tier for tickets every week, I can finally think to other items to buy with tickets. Let's consider a full collection of weapons - another one year at least :#

    I don't know how much time the other players have, but for me, to wait (yes, to wait, because I can complete my skirmish ticket track in week-end) 6 years to get what I want from WvW is a little too much for a "midterm". So, even if I play WvW, I still consider the OP is right. Rising the tickets cap may be a good idea.

    @smithkt.8062 said:

    Just curious. In order to complete three sets of armor, that would have required a seriously large amount of T5 & T6 mats. Did you throw gold at the problem, or just farm the mats?

    To craft a full set of armor you need at least 22 weeks. That means around 900 (let's round to 1 000) provisioner tokens. Also, you gain around 175 Laurels. By converting the tokens into T6 materials and buying heavy chests with Laurels, you can get around 30% from the needed materials this way. For the rest (this is a personal choice) I prefer to upgrade T5 to T6 (although the gain in gold is insignificant, this way allows you to use your T5). And for the very last materials (mostly the T3, T4 mats), I use gold.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cristalyan.5728 said:

    @Krypto.2069 said:
    OP, I have all 3 Legendary Mistforged Triumphant Hero armor sets, a handful of Mistforged Hero weapons (the ones that I wanted) and Warbringer. And, like others, I too am sitting on 4K+ tickets at the moment. Like you, WvW is my favorite game mode, so I'm in there often for the MAYHEM and GLORY! :smiley: Just give it time, kill and have fun and you too will have what you want and more tickets than you know what to do with. :+1:

    (Some goals in GW2 are short-term, others midterm and others long-term. I see the WvW T3 Legendary armor as a midterm goal.)

    Cheers!

    I have 3 sets of Triumphant Hero's armor (the first tier legendary). I still have around 2 k tickets. So, I think I play some WvW.
    But I need over 25 k more tickets for the second tier of legendary armors. In my case, the total time needed for the 6 sets of armors is around 3 years. If you count the backpacks I want to craft for all my toons, the total time needed raises to 5 years. Is this really a midterm goal? HM. And, after this amount of time, spent in WvW, with a diamond tier for tickets every week, I can finally think to other items to buy with tickets. Let's consider a full collection of weapons - another one year at least :#

    I don't know how much time the other players have, but for me, to wait (yes, to wait, because I can complete my skirmish ticket track in week-end) 6 years to get what I want from WvW is a little too much for a "midterm". So, even if I play WvW, I still consider the OP is right. Rising the tickets cap may be a good idea.

    @smithkt.8062 said:

    Just curious. In order to complete three sets of armor, that would have required a seriously large amount of T5 & T6 mats. Did you throw gold at the problem, or just farm the mats?

    To craft a full set of armor you need at least 22 weeks. That means around 900 (let's round to 1 000) provisioner tokens. Also, you gain around 175 Laurels. By converting the tokens into T6 materials and buying heavy chests with Laurels, you can get around 30% from the needed materials this way. For the rest (this is a personal choice) I prefer to upgrade T5 to T6 (although the gain in gold is insignificant, this way allows you to use your T5). And for the very last materials (mostly the T3, T4 mats), I use gold.

    You CHOSE to get 3 sets of T2 armors, I hope it is the ascended version. Thats nearly 4k tickets, if memory serves. You also have 2k tickets, meaning 6k in total. At 365/week, its 17 weeks if you get Last Diamond chest. Not THAT much wvw, if you ask me. I have one full set, some T3 pieces, the backpack and still 28k tickets to spare. You could have gotten 4 legendary armor pieces, in that time. You didnt. You chose armors. Is it the game's fault? No. Should the game give you more tickets, in a mode thats half afk to make armor faster, when pvers have to grind through weekly raiding? In comparison, no. No, it is fine as it is.
    On a side note, you want legendaries for all your toons. That is certainly by no means a "midterm goal". Crafting ONE set, is. In my eyes, you need to get your priorities straight, first. Make actual, realistic "mid term goals". Cause crafting multiple leggy armors with leggy backpacks is as end game, super long term as it gets.

  • Cristalyan.5728Cristalyan.5728 Member ✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    You CHOSE to get 3 sets of T2 armors, I hope it is the ascended version. Thats nearly 4k tickets, if memory serves. You also have 2k tickets, meaning 6k in total. At 365/week, its 17 weeks if you get Last Diamond chest. Not THAT much wvw, if you ask me. I have one full set, some T3 pieces, the backpack and still 28k tickets to spare. You could have gotten 4 legendary armor pieces, in that time. You didnt. You chose armors. Is it the game's fault? No. Should the game give you more tickets, in a mode thats half afk to make armor faster, when pvers have to grind through weekly raiding? In comparison, no. No, it is fine as it is.
    On a side note, you want legendaries for all your toons. That is certainly by no means a "midterm goal". Crafting ONE set, is. In my eyes, you need to get your priorities straight, first. Make actual, realistic "mid term goals". Cause crafting multiple leggy armors with leggy backpacks is as end game, super long term as it gets.

    I think I made a mistake in wording. I have 3 full sets of first tier legendary WvW armor. One for each type: light/medium/heavy. That means at least 66 weeks of diamond tier. I had a period when I completed less than diamond per week. I think it took me around one and a half year. Now I started the other tier of Legendary armor - all the 3 weights. If this time I will not miss any week, I will need 75 weeks - another one and a half year.

    And YES, I choose this. Is this a guilt? ANet did not restrict you to have many toons (the cap is over 60 from what I read). Then, why do you think is something wrong to gear them? And why do you think ANet should put a gate in the process of gearing them? From what I know if I want to buy 50 new character slots in one day nobody will prevent me to do this. Then, why should I spend 20 years to give them the best armors? Not because I don't want to put some effort for this goal, but because I must stop my efforts every week.

    In my opinion (and this is why I agreed with the OP) the only thing counting for a legendary should be the amount of effort you put in it, not the amount of time you should wait.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cristalyan.5728 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    You CHOSE to get 3 sets of T2 armors, I hope it is the ascended version. Thats nearly 4k tickets, if memory serves. You also have 2k tickets, meaning 6k in total. At 365/week, its 17 weeks if you get Last Diamond chest. Not THAT much wvw, if you ask me. I have one full set, some T3 pieces, the backpack and still 28k tickets to spare. You could have gotten 4 legendary armor pieces, in that time. You didnt. You chose armors. Is it the game's fault? No. Should the game give you more tickets, in a mode thats half afk to make armor faster, when pvers have to grind through weekly raiding? In comparison, no. No, it is fine as it is.
    On a side note, you want legendaries for all your toons. That is certainly by no means a "midterm goal". Crafting ONE set, is. In my eyes, you need to get your priorities straight, first. Make actual, realistic "mid term goals". Cause crafting multiple leggy armors with leggy backpacks is as end game, super long term as it gets.

    I think I made a mistake in wording. I have 3 full sets of first tier legendary WvW armor. One for each type: light/medium/heavy. That means at least 66 weeks of diamond tier. I had a period when I completed less than diamond per week. I think it took me around one and a half year. Now I started the other tier of Legendary armor - all the 3 weights. If this time I will not miss any week, I will need 75 weeks - another one and a half year.

    And YES, I choose this. Is this a guilt? ANet did not restrict you to have many toons (the cap is over 60 from what I read). Then, why do you think is something wrong to gear them? And why do you think ANet should put a gate in the process of gearing them? From what I know if I want to buy 50 new character slots in one day nobody will prevent me to do this. Then, why should I spend 20 years to give them the best armors? Not because I don't want to put some effort for this goal, but because I must stop my efforts every week.

    In my opinion (and this is why I agreed with the OP) the only thing counting for a legendary should be the amount of effort you put in it, not the amount of time you should wait.

    You offer 0 reason WHY the timegating system should change. It is up to you to convince Anet. If that were an actual thing, pvers would make several sets of armor in a few days. Just kill the easiest boss, which takes 5 mins, repeat, voila. Timegating is in this case to make people not burn themselves out, not screw over the entire economy (T6 would skyrocket in price), and give a goal to work towards to cause most will just make everything in a few days, get bored fast, leave the game. If it means THAT much to you, do pve raids. You should have a full set in 10 weeks. More sets require double that time.

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2019

    Mistake anet made was naming everything so close, it's bad and easy to confuse people.

    Triumphant Exotic Armor (reward track)
    Triumphant Hero's Exotic Armor (t2)
    Triumphant Hero's Ascended Armor (t2 can be upgraded to legendary)
    Mistforged Triumphant Hero's Ascended Armor (t3 glow armor, can be upgraded to legendary)
    Sublime Mistforged Triumphant Hero's Ascended Chest Piece (t3 the glow tentacles, can be upgraded to legendary)

    Hero's Rare Weapons (reward track)
    Mistforged Hero's Exotic Weapon
    Mistforged Hero's Ascended Weapon
    Mistforged Obisidian Ascended Weapon (clown set)
    Mist Lord's Ascended Weapon (new gold set)

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  • hunkamania.7561hunkamania.7561 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have 8000 tickets and after you get a few sets of legendary armor they are pretty much useless...

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hunkamania.7561 said:
    I have 8000 tickets and after you get a few sets of legendary armor they are pretty much useless...

    You don’t want to buy 30 rings, accessories or amulets?

    😬

  • Heibi.4251Heibi.4251 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2019

    I might remind you that the pve armor takes just as long or longer to make as the WvW armor. The first set of PVE armor may or may not be faster than the WvW armor depending on how much you raid in pve. So sit back and know that you aren't being singled out. Patience.

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